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There is a new Kickstarter update out for Hiveswap.
The highlights:
>Hiveswap is now 2D
>Hussie clarified why he laid off his NYC staff
>Andrew made sure to mention Toby's still working on it
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/14293468/homestuck-adventure-game/posts/1453119
>>78436445
Oh hey, i remember her from the minus 8 flash
ahahahaHAHAHAHAHA
>>78436445
Young mom is cute. cute.
Digging the house design.
>>78436445
This is gonna crash and burn and I'll watch it until the very end.
>>78436445
You're burying the lede here, there's also a newspost on the site.
Homestuck's finale is now projected to end on 4/13/16, and will have 30 minutes of animation.
>>78436510
It's literally just Roxy.
I wonder if I should get into Homestuck now.
>>78436676
Fucking hussied again
Why can't I get off this ride, even for Christmas
>>78436676
That's certainly news.
It almost makes me want to actually go through all the text-logs I never bothered to read and read every wall of text that I skipped.
Oh, right, that's why I skipped them.
>>78436445
That background is detailed nicely but it hardly looks like Homestuck.
It's been so long since I donated that I can't even care about this. I don't even read Homestuck anymore. I stopped reading to wait for him to finish the story and then he went on hiatus forever to work on the game that I paid for. Now neither the comic nor the game are finished and I've lost interest in both.
>>78436510
Joey is cute! CUTE!!!!!!!!
>>78436701
Sure, why not.
>>78436445
Honestly, this is for the best. The 3D they were using looked ugly and low-quality. They should've done 2D from the start.
Though it's kinda funny Hussie trying not to address being ripped off as hard as he can.
Hussie is as much of an artist as Egoraptor is an animator.
>>78436693
exactly
>>78436472
lel
>>78436849
Oh snap!
>>78436472
i don't think that flash was -8
>>78436472
waaat
>I will have to consider his game one of the better legacies of Homestuck
>I feel very proud of what Toby has accomplished
hussie even hinting at taking some credit for radiations game is disgusting
>>78437120
I think Radiation's Homestuck music gave him enough exposure to make his Kickstarter successful, but that's about it.
>>78436958
I found it at a minus8 thread, noone really argued against it being a minus8 thing
>>78437175
radiation made an elaborate demo just for the kickstarter
hussie didn't even have screenshots for his
radiations work is his own, and it's dumb that hussie is trying to sponge off of his new status as a capable indie dev
>>78437120
but he made it in hussie's basement.
>>78436742
>roxy was teenmommed by John
I love it
doof doof doof doof
down the crmnals tree
round the bend to an fro
whoof were you expectong, easter buny?
though christmas cheer truly ratchets as santa reaches his end
i know as true as my fulsom bum that we will never make amend
the long slow decline... of the ECONOMLTY... will not allow
for making such a pleasant vow
baby jesus's beautiful birth enlightens us all
listen, bune
why dont you give subway a call?
>>78437437
What did he mean by this?
>>78437310
>>78436958
>>78436472
The fuck is minus 8
>>78437511
Porn flash guy
So hey, he is saying that he is gonna squeeze everything to be done by 4/13.
So what if we are going back to the very old random update schedule without stupid calendars.
That was a ride, so probably not I guess, but a man can dream uh
>>78436445
> w-w-we're still alive!
There are people in this board that will get excited by this.
>>78437668
probably just a big dump.
>>78437745
So you're saying it's going to shit? I believe it.
>>78436676
>30 minutes of animation
>30 FUCKING MINUTES OF MOTHERFUCKING ANIMATION
Jesus Christ. When he started the pause in August and mentioned there was 1% left of Homestuck, I was expecting a couple more boring pesterlogs followed by a meager 5 minute final battle. But 30 minutes of flash content? That's insane. That's twice as long as Cascade and Intermission 2 combined. I hope it's enough to wrap up the story.
Hopefully by 30 minutes of flash animations he means 30 minutes of quality flash animations, and not 30 minutes of FAST AND LOOSE/tumblr outsourced art.
This is it, guys. We're almost off Mr. Hussie's wild rideand about fucking time
>>78437668
he'll probably spread it out over a week or two
>>78437784
>30 minutes of animation
And 25 minutes of it will be static scenes zoomed and panned.
Christ... I haven't thought about Homestuck since highschool. It's still not over? And the game isn't done?
>>78437960
The ride never ends.
>It's been seven years
>>78436729
>That background is detailed nicely but it hardly looks like Homestuck.
Homestuck is popular because character design, not backgrounds. People only care about this character
I think it looks pretty nice.
>>78437784
It's going to be spread through several flashes, anon. Calm down.
>>78438086
It does, but have they said anything about the gameplay?
Last time they talked about it was supposed to be a turn based sort of inventory battle thing, what now?
>>78438181
It's a graphical adventure game, it always has been.
>>78436742
it's kind of weird that john and jade have two siblings they never knew and that grandpa left to die horribly.
>>78438228
It's not like their whole family tree hasn't always been messed up.
>>78436445
are you kidding me
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?
THIS LOOKS LIKE COMPLETE FUCKING SHIT, WHAT THE HELL HUSSIE??!?!?!?
TWO MILLION DOLLARS
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
So do we have some confirmation on that 11 minute song being an intro or some part of the flash now?
Now that we know it'll be atleast 30 minutes of animation.
>>78436701
Don't, it's shit.
>>78436445
I RECOGNIZE THAT MONSTER TOY
>>78438506
the only shitty part looks like the choppy walk cycle, but its early days for them yet. It certainly doesnt look as awful as the 3D
>>78436445
The character and the background don't even match at all. This is ridiculously disappointing.
>>78438506
>minion reaction image
>cruise control for cool
>>78438525
11 minutes?
What song is that?
>>78438506
>>78438583
>>78438585
The walking animation's done by Paperseverywhere who said it's a WIP.
>>78438601
https://soundcloud.com/user-223697287-365062392/sets/listening
>>78438525
I think that song was just a WIP. It had some parts remixed from Cascade and Flare but was way too underdeveloped to be anything but an opener for the final flash.
>>78438163
I understand that, but it's still a lot compared to what we've had. Let's put it into perspective: We've had half an hour of flash animations in 2.5 years, and now we're going to get another hour and a half in the span of, what, a couple weeks, at most.
It's still not as crazy as I'm hyping it to be, but it's something.
>>78438631
>WIP
>>>/tumblr/
>>78438706
are you retarded
>>78438583
>>78438624
>>78438594
>2 million dollars
>For something that looks like a cheap flash animation game you could find on Newsgrounds or any generic online game site
Should've known the denial would be strong.
>>78438729
>>78438729
no, because I'm not from tumblr
The bait is strong in this thread.
>>78438763
It didn't help that part of their money was stolen to make that shitty Knight's Quest remake.
>a NEW kickstarter
Obviously starting over yet again is pretty absurd, but I'm actually really glad that they're doing it in 2D now. The 3D shit looked awful and I lost all of the hype I had for the game.
>>78438585
So just like Homestuck
>>78438910
>There is a new Kickstarter UPDATE
>>78438845
I know you're going to bring that up but even if they lost 750K from the Odd Gentlefaggots, that's STILL 2 MILLION DOLLARS.
Look at that OP Walkcycle anon.
Does that look like the work of 2 million dollars spent well spent? There are shitty mobile games made with less looking more polished. This is just a tragedy, it's been what, 3, 4 years and they have absolutely nothing to show for it but that horrible walkframe image and a whole bunch of concept art for it. And make no mistake, that's all the rest of the "progress" shown is, concept art.
>>78436676
Hey why is it spelled burying the lede rather than lead, with this phrase?
>>78437826
25 minutes worth of karkat and dave talking about gay feelings set to megalovania remixes
>>78438979
hussie is going to make The Crying Show, as each character realizes their own unique traumas from their experiences in the series.
new homestuck cartoon.
>>78439015
He's going to make Homestuck into Steven Universe?
>>78439027
Might as well pick what's popular with his old fanbase at least
>>78439033
Undertale?
>>78439033
/sug/ is prettymuch neo-/hsg/ given a Steven Universe flair.
>>78438935
No, it doesn't look like 2 million dollars well spent, because it isn't. This is them restarting for, what, the third time, or something like that. Expecting it to look good at the preliminary stages is optimistic at best.
Other than the ToG shitstorm, they've had to deal with a bunch of legal shit. They had to hire an entirely new team, and then hire another entirely new team because of the shift from 3D to 2D. They had to buy office space and start a game design firm from scratch. They didn't even have computers before all this either, so they had to buy that too. There's a load of behind-the-scenes stuff to deal with before you can even begin developing a game. And I'm sure sitting on their hands for the better part of a year lost them money as well.
I'm not saying it doesn't look like shit, I'm saying that there's a reason for it looking like shit.
>>78439095
>I'm saying that there's a reason for it looking like shit.
Incompetence? Because that's what it seems like. This is not the kind of professionalism I would think of from someone with a masters degree, an acclaimed webcomic and multiple patents. The update, far from relieving our our fears just looks like a desperate attempt to save face in the face of mediocrity and a complete lack of real accomplishment.
>>78438077
I don't care about this character
>>78439095
It's not very hard to guess if you've had to restart a project THREE times it's destined to be a trainwreck and can only hope to barely rise above abysmal failure.
Wow. You people really must be be the saddest bunch around.
>>78439158
I'd definitely say there's a good deal of incompetence involved. Hussie put his faith in a bunch of tumblrinas fresh out of college.
>>78439303
I don't know which I feel more bad for, Hussie, or the 3D animators that spent all that time working on his project only to get shafted and hear none of their art work and efforts would even matter.
Also you know that declaring them "Tumblrinas" doesn't hold any weight in the real world right? It's like calling Hilary a "meanie tumblr" or Trump a /pol/ite. It's empty and meaningless as a criticism.
>>78439290
we've been through a lot man
>>78439290
We just found out that a 2 million dollar game has been wasted and we only have a shitty 2D point and click jerkbait for our patience. How can we feel anything but sad? Keep in mind this isn't a swift early change or re-decision, this is 4 years into the games development. Take that in and think about how devastating that must feel for us.
>>78436445
This is kind of, awful? I literally thought I was looking at some crappy fangame for a second.
You know how Hussie has those walkarounds in Homestuck? Why didn't he just make a much much larger, bigger walkaround rpg game that was adventure style, that would've been so much easier and we all would've lapped it up gladly.
>>78439303
"all of the concept artists worked on homestuck" was a pretty big red flag. theyre mostly amateurs.
>>78439441
That's not even the problem, I mean the Concept art actually looks great.
But once you look at the Joey sprite and how it doesn't even rotate around or have any real idle animation or expression, it's heart-wrenchingly mediocre. And we haven't even seen the UI yet. How can we be geared for anything but disappointment?
Hussie said progress on the game was going well. Restarting the whole fucking project from scratch so we're not at the beginning is not "Progress" and it's not good, it's a huge step down from the bare-bones 3D animation. Makes me think their budget just ran dry and they're trying to display anything possible rather than admit this game is a failure.
>2.5 million dollars
>king's quest fiasco
>restarting production on its own studio in NYC
>budget problems
>fire off all the developers and hire a new team while restarting production AGAIN.
>soaking up on toby's own game success
>lame looking click and point game with slow and shitty looking walk cycles
>all in 4 fucking long years
God damn i'm honestly very dissapointed, i really am. I loved this comic to death years ago and now this game is going to look like shit. I don't know. I really want this game to be good but it's just going though so much problems, there's no way it'll be a good game. it's just not gonna happen
>>78439479
i was more thinking of the art they haven't shown yet and the walking animation. animation is hard to do, you need a lot of training.
>>78439509
You have to set your expectations lower so that it's harder for them to get crushed in the end.
http://www.mspaforums.com/showthread.php?55871-HIVESWAP-A-Homestuck-Video-Game-%21-%28Kickstarter-FAQ-and-Discussion%29&p=7879107&viewfull=1#post7879107
It's not going to be the final walking sprites.
>>78439549
https://www.reddit.com/r/homestuck/comments/3y8yby/hiveswap_update/cybjr7p
>>78439509
I still had hope up until now. Thought them withholding their card would lead to some kind of trump or savoring show that could renew faith in this project.
But showing one or two shitty walk cycles a year with a few paragraphs does NOT inspire confidence. Especially when they've run up their 2.5 million dollar budget and restarted 3 times.
>>78439549
The walk sprites, bad as they are aren't even the problem.
It's that they have NOTHING TO SHOW for all of this! And they never communicate with their fans or have any transparency either.
>>78439563
>>78439584
Well with the development resuming there's probably going to be a more regular schedule of updates along the way.
>>78439584
>Show a preview of the game, including beautiful backgrounds and actual animation
>Working Concept art
>They actually took the time to give us a glimpse and you're still complaining
What the fuck do you want? You people will never be satisfied it seems.
>no more panels leading to the final flash
>Vriska actually is succesful in using the ghost army to destroy LE
>Davekat is canon endgame
>Karkat now Jade-tier and only allowed to be cool on the final flash
>Gamzee still stuck inside the fridge
>no mention of Casey's skeleton army
>Calliope is actually a friendly mary sue and not just a tool for Caliborn to enter the kid's session as her
>>78439608
>What the fuck do you want?
The game when it was supposed to have come out and for homestuck to have ended 3 years ago
>>78439615
>Calliope is actually a friendly mary sue and not just a tool for Caliborn to enter the kid's session as her
She was never gonna be that anyway
>>78436445
So he never got back the 800k that was stolen?
>>78439615
It's already said in earlier news posts that there's going to be a couple of more panels before EOA6.
>>78439608
Man. That's really ALL you have to reply with, huh? Well, I can't say I don't admire how you continue to flay yourself publically like this for Hussie's sake. It's just so amazing to see how zealots like you can pop out from anywhere for any cause.
>>78438763
It isnt 2mil, he got around half of that stolen
Are people stating the 2D looks good and better than the 3D screenshots we have just trying to savior their sour grapes because they don't want to feel cheated or admit what we have now is a crappy inferior project?
Compare the detail put into here to that of the flat, stiff lifeless 2D animation in OPs pic.
>>78439605
wishful thinking
>>78439608
>what do we want
month progress reports would be nice
even just every 2 months. not every 6.
>>78439694
Take in the fact now that we're not getting any of this. Last year we had a working demo for this, now it's completely scrapped. Huss really screwed the pooch here.
>>78439707
*monthly
>>78439509
>>king's quest fiasco
What exactly happened with this again?
Can you really say the money was stolen? I'd say the money was foolishly lost. Anyone who just hands over nearly a million dollars without coming up with a proper contract deserves to have bad things happen to them. Hussie is not a victim.
>>78439425
That is basically what hes doing, just weird pixel figures replaced with slightl better looking figures and same with the backround. No one really expects a great game we expect stupid homestuck plot stuff
>>78439725
The odd gentlemen game studio stole money that was supposed to be used on hive bent and spend it on kings quest
>>78439707
Actually Hussie says right on the news post that he'll keep us updated by next month.
>>78439694
I wanted the game to be 2D from the beginning. I was honestly baffled that they decided on 3D the first time.
>>78439737
But what we have in 2D so far, all one or two pictures of it looks stupid and less appealing than the RPG walkarounds we got in Homestuck. How is that even possible?
>>78439608
>4 Years and 2.3 Million Dollarydoos laters, HomoCucks still defend this shit.
MSPAINT was doomed since he started dating that SJW cunt
>>78439823
>stupid and less appealing than the RPG walkarounds we got in Homestuck
Be real, dude. The shit in Homestuck looks like it was made in RPG Maker.
>>78439805
If it were 2D from the start like any other decent Indie game it might looked polished and good, but as is it looks like crap.
There are only two graphic assets in OP's pic, the background itself and Joey's cheap crappy walk cycle. That's as Minimalist as they get.
>>78439479
>the sprites are shit therefore the game is shit
>Second, Homestuck. Remember that? Me neither. Um, ha ha, just kidding, it's all I think about ever.
Damn he sounds salty.
>>78439835
And it still looks better than what we're getting, which looks like it was made in Game Maker.
Hell, Undertale was made in Game Maker. But it doesn't look like, this.
>>78439832
I almost feel betrayed. I've stuck with the comic so long from back when Hussie was topdog, but now...I have no faith left in any of this.
>>78439608
>Show a preview of the game, including beautiful backgrounds and actual animation
You realize this can be whipped up in less than a week by any semi competent artist, right?
>>78439851
He probably reads these threads.
He's probably reading this one RIGHT NOW.
>>78439842
Yes anon, that's how it works. If the sprites are shit generally the game is shit. Granted there might be more too it, but the studio isn't even willing to divulge more than that so what else can we go by?
>>78439842
Trying to trigger people I see.
>>78439863
It's STILL IN DEVELOPMENT. Give the team more credit, it doesn't look that shoddy. If anything having any update and progress shown at all is enough to make the wait worth it.
>>78439694
>Those PS2 graphics
I'll take the 2D
>>78439863
not that anon, but thank you for pointing that out. this shit looks basic af
>>78439842
>memetale
>good
its a 4 hour game anon, with only 3 good songs and furry bait.
Its good if you bought it for 99 cents
>>78439869
Hussie, is that you?
It's okay, we still love you.
But it's time to come clean. This project of yours has tanked and none of us can expect much from it anymore.
Atleast the ending of Homestuck will still be satisfying, right?
>>78439861
I really don't understand what your issue with this is. If you just don't like the animation, it still shows a lot more effort and polish than anything in Undertale. Not even sure why you're trying to compare them, since Undertale is a completely different style that doesn't even try to look crappy in a nostalgic way.
>>78439900
>Atleast the ending of Homestuck will still be satisfying, right?
>implying Homestuck has been good for the past year
>>78439887
It looks even worse in motion. I was so disappointed when the Hiveswap teaser came out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptSacF8xb8k
>>78439832
>Andrew Hussie's name is literally MS Paint
>>78439891
G8 b8 m8 XD
>>78439889
The most confusing part for me is that there isn't even anything to criticize. Yeah the studio is a bunch of fuck-ups but this is basically concept art, there isn't even anything in it to look bad. The background doesn't mean shit but it looks gorgeous, and there's nothing wrong with the walking animation either.
>>78439851
I bet he thought Tumblr would stick with Homestuck instead of moving onto Fat Fuck Universe and Undertale
Hahahaha, fuck Hussie.
>>78439917
>it still shows a lot more effort and polish than anything in Undertale
No. Not even close.
The 16 bit sprites are way more polished than what's shown uptop, all we'll get is concept/background art plastered over every level while the rest of the graphics look like a terrible mobile game. This is the fate we chose.
>>78439842
>Implying Frisk is the fallen child
>>78439968
I know! I don't get why people aren't looking forward to this game. Sure information hasn't always been entirely forthcoming, but it does look like they've started to make progress and good efforts on the game, even if they got a little late start.
>>78439981
> Fat Fuck Universe and Undertale
>Look at me mom, I can spout memes and easily digestible pejoratives too aren't I hip and cool on the 4chans XD!!!!11
Fuck off back to 9gag.
>>78439984
Are you claiming that undertale's sprites look better because they use more colors?
I'm seriously confused by your argument here. Undertale was nothing but stiff 2-frame animations outside of battle and most of the sprites only used about 4 colors.
The best part is that Hussie didnt even get to pocket the cash, the poor dumb faggot got cucked by SJWs and burned all good will he had created with Problem Sleuth.
Did Hussie make it 2D so Toby would finish it for him?
TFW the music guy you used to make music for your shitty fanfiction releases a video game with a tight plot that does everything you were trying to do but better
TFW he makes tons of money off his game and you get cucked by a bunch of hipsters from San Francisco
TFW the pink dye wearing tumblrites that gave your shitty fanfiction webcomic attention abandon ship to a show about a fat kid crying
TFW suicide imminent
>>78440014
No, because they fit with the game they're in and are still pleasing to look at, even as blocky retro sprites. Even those simplistic animations work.
The top has some shitty background drawn out with an unfitting walk cycle that doesn't even attempt to make any coherency or singular aesthetic work, it's clear there's no communication and they just asked the animator to churn out a walk cycle for Joey without any communication of forethought. The point of concept art is that it's support to establish the art and graphical content beforehand, but there's no consistency between the animation and background and it just looks incredibly shitty under any standard.
>>78440031
He can tell a good story, but he's definitely not what I'd call a smart or humble man. The whole reason "Whistles" was published was because he thought he could show up Jhonen Vasquez's "Squee." Or maybe it was JTHM. Either way, he's a special kind of dumbass.
>>78440049
>TFW before this update you still defended Failswap, when it was 3D and had a working demo but now there's absolutely nothing to defend
Did Eridan make this game? Because there's absolutely no hope left.
>>78439981
Well I mean they came back after Japanese school hunger games and evil baseball man
>>78440070
>He can tell a good story
Very fucking debatable
>>78440052
I'm honestly just astonished that anyone thinks Undertale is pleasant to look at. The graphics aren't "retro", they're just bad. They don't conform to any retro style with any kind of fidelity.
>>78440049
You're trying too hard family.
>>78440049
Hussieslife.txt
>>78440095
Pat don't you have to go suck at bloodborne?
i just realized this concept art finally shows us how some of the hair in homestuck is supposed to work
>>78440095
I'm honestly just ASTONISHED that you let some limp wrist fags from San Fran steal 2.5 MILLION DOLLARS from you, Hussie!
I mean, shit, Toby just needed 50k to make Undertale
Guess you'll be living in HIS basement now!
>>78440084
The Dang It Ron Paul fanbase is alive and well.
>>78440110
is Pat a retro graphics nerd? I didn't know that
>>78438294
I like to think John will warp in a background scene before leaving, or be a secret postgame boss or something.
Or that he actually learned of his missing extended family and has a wall in a locked room somewhere where he's trying to piece everything together without anyone else knowing.
>>78440128
yes as in they look like shit
>>78440142
>shit
>>78440122
Yes but the point is during the pause everyone thought that they off and dingle rope on had killed homestuck fanbase. But it hadnt.
>>78440126
He was complaining about frisks head and that it looked ugly
>>78440168
Frisk is clearly Asian, he must be a racist.
>>78439158
The only incompetence was from going in over your head and failing to predict a dick move. Hussie started this thing when homestuck was at it's peak, and then it crashed and burned and took the comic down with it. In his defense, you don't expect someone to completely ruin a chance to make an instant huge seller to stab you in the back, but they did anyway. It IS Hussie's fault for not noticing he was getting fucked until six months in, but he was busy with the comic (daily) at the time, so it was more just a huge stab in the back.
If anything, he's 100% true to his word because he's still doing this at all. Tons and tons of poor fuckos would've dropped this project the moment their devs fucked them over, but Hussie's still making the game one way or another. The problem is just that he flew way too close to the sun here, and the overbearing weight of it all drove the source material into the ground.
>>78436445
HOW DO PEOPLE LIKE THIS GARBAGE
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>78440183
No he just hates lamps for some reason
>>78440070
He is an academic genius, in the literary and intellectual sense. Masters Degree in computer science + Hipstery Literary sense lends to that strength.
Sadly socially his strengths are questionable.
>The whole reason "Whistles" was published was because he thought he could show up Jhonen Vasquez's "Squee." Or maybe it was JTHM
When was that elaborated on? Seems like vague speculation.
Anyway he's the kind of dumbass that can earn 2.5 million dollars in a hit Kickstarter and than blow all the money completely. That makes him the Tommy Wiseau of webcomics.
>>78440198
Because you touch yourself at night.
>>78440070
Whistles may not have been a success but it was pretty good. I wish he had finished it.
>>78440238
The best thign that he ever did will always be "and it dont stop", which now apparently was a collaboration.
>>78440206
He's an arrogant prick.
I remember one update where he bragged about how Homestuck's word count was bigger than War and Peace and Harry Potter combined.
He treated word count like it was a high score instead of a testament to how bloated his shitty story got
>>78440275
Sauce?
>>78440168
>He was complaining about frisks head and that it looked ugly
Oh well I agree that Frisk looks ugly in general. Undertale is kind of in this weird retro space where it wants to look like Earthbound and Yume Nikki but nobody wanted to make nice-looking sprites with a lot of detail, so we end up with flat, solid color sprites on shaded multicolor backgrounds and lots of other ugly shit like inconsistent outlines.
Basically I hated all of the overworld sprite art but the static art inside of shops, etc. was pretty good and sometimes the extremely minimalist in-battle art was good, but that was pretty hit or miss.
I feel like premade backgrounds and sprites are the way to go, especially given Homestuck being Homestuck. Don't know what else people would want
Anyone else think Homestuck would've been better if they just had a normal session? Would've ended a hell of a lot earlier, that's for sure.
>>78440197
I'm not even upset over the Odd Gentleman thing, because while it was an absolutely atrocious dick move on ToG part and those guys are assholes, Hussie managed to make Homestuck on ZERO money and told an amazing story and made a marketing merchandise machine with just his creativity, simple tools at his disposal and a very very small team of artist/musicians alone. If he'd have just made the game a really long RPG Walkaround and gone cheap like Toby, he could have still pulled off a satisfying game on almost zero budget, than pocketed the 2.5M Comfy. I get that he has to innovate and explore, dude loves pushing the envelope on experimentation and all that, but still. Come on, we don't even read Homestuck for the visuals or graphics, we do it for the ideas, concepts and Writings. That's all he needed to work with, that's his strength and if he'd just dabbled that into a walkaround for a fun experience that lasts a few hours, you better believe fans would lap it up and he could still get out the ideas and stories he wanted to express. He could've made a great game, hell made 8 of them in separate chapters. With Homestuck's name attached, he would've outsold Undertale easily in the long run.
Hussie has many strengths and talents, but as a Renaissance man humility doesn't seem to be one of them. He doesn't know when to bow and accept his limitations.
It's like making millions of dollars in the stock market but losing it all because you're not satisfied with measuring up to a billionaire like Donald Trump.
>>78440301
YES
>>78440299
I hope there's not any fans of undertale in this thread, or you would be getting hate.
>>78440095
I admit that the pixelly style of most indie games annoys me because I feel that it's missing the point of the sprites that they're trying to emulate, but I could get past it for the sake of UT's story.
>>78440275
I think it was update schedule we was bragging about.
>>78440304
It's more like he wrote a best selling novel but wasn't satisfied with that and wanted desperately to direct a hit movie too. The creator of War and Piece re-wrote his tale like 8 times before it was finished, and that was while having 11 kids.
>>78440301
Yes and no. Without the session going wrong, it wouldn't really be "Homestuck" as we know it, so it's too difficult and radically different to say whether it'd be better or worse. It'd be it's own thing completely.
>>78440325
That fucking game only got popular because of the fanart. I don't even know where they got Undyne's skin color and shit like that. All the characters look like shit in the game.
>>78440325
As an undertale fan I agree with his, overworld is shit. I do feel that the battle graphics were the best graphical part of that game though.
>>78440304
I don't think it's legal to just steal 2.5 million dollars.
>>78440049
Oh my fucking god
>>78440354
They are scenes were undyne doesn't wear her armor and you can see her skin.
>>78440370
Actually as a person who is genuinely shit at pixel art I kind of... enjoyed the overworld graphics? They felt homegrown? Like something I would be able to do so I kind of I don't know
aaaaaa
>>78440304
>An artist and writer can produce a video game
>When he had multiple other people spend x amount of time making cheap walkarounds in flash
>Just take the cash and run! That'll be good for future rep!
If you're a shitposter or just a troll, I dunno. Hussie also genuinely likes to do his work, even if he can't stand the actual content or fans involved. How else do you think he updated daily, consistently, for three or four years?
>>78440387
And I fucking hated the skeleton brothers. They were not funny or endearing at all and I wanted to punch their stupid grins.
>>78440417
It's not even that, if he had those people close to him and connections to make the walkarounds for free, he could surely produce something better with all that money and make cost effective and cheap too. As I said, his strength was in the writing, not game design.
He didn't even need to make EXACTLY a walkaround, just something simple enough, a format that could get his ideas and stories across. The walkaround worked. So did like a dozen other formats and framing devices in homestuck. How in the world did such a brilliant writer and creator fail to see he could've produced a platform real cheap and filled it out with his writing midas gold touch for the rest, and fans would've loved it?
> How else do you think he updated daily, consistently, for three or four years?
With the content he makes? If he's planning on splitting it up into 4 or 8 chapters that's easily doable.
>>78440405
There's nothing wrong with simple pixel art, Undertale's problem is just that it's inconsistent which is a common problem. Choosing to adhere to retro specs is a good way to avoid inconsistency and add nostalgia appeal, but it's not necessary to make good pixel art.
To make good fiction in this day and age you need to know how to draw
That or be very very very very lucky
Source: Am writer, wrote more words than Homestuck in half the time.
Hussie wasn't wrong in wanting to make a video game, but he WAS wrong in entrusting other people. Surely he must have noticed his success correlated with his ability to do so many things on his own?
That's really the secret with fiction, it's becoming less and less collaborative. If you can draw and write you can be a success.
>>78440535
>Surely he must have noticed his success correlated with his ability to do so many things on his own?
You could just as easily argue that his success correlated with his ability to attract people to make art, music, and other assets for him. Problem Sleuth was decently popular but Homestuck is where it all exploded and that's when he started relying more on fans to make stuff for him.
>>78440547
Homestuck deserved to die
>>78440547
I must know more.
>>78440535
Being a "writer" who writes a lot of words isn't much of an accomplishment. There are shitty awful fanfics about Naruto, SSB and My Little Pony that are longer than Homestuck but it doesn't mean shit because those suck and are terrible and no one other than niche dweebs ever read them.
Also, your new is showing. Are you a native to /co/? What the hell is with the blatant Sasuke image Newfriend?
>>78440573
The insane update schedule of Homestuck is what kept people going.
I remember two of my friends from college would always say UPDATE when a new piece came out
But yeah, his charisma helped too. I'm a bit jelly, I'm too awkward to get people to help me. People actually have to see my finished product to like what I make, they never get into the conceptual components.
>>78440601
Longer fanfics I mean. Terrible, over-written and cliched hackeyed crappy fanfiction not worth a second glance by anyone other than your native TVTroper.
>>78440573
Most of Homestuck he made himself. Like atleast 95% of it sans the music and SOME second-split shown art in the Animations. The other assets were just extra.
Dark days indeed.
Let's remember the "good" times.
>>78440610
>The insane update schedule of Homestuck is what kept people going.
Oh yeah, definitely. I've always believed that's the most reliable predictor of a webcomic's success.
>>78440615
Sure, but imagine Homestuck without music or the most popular flashes (all of which rely heavily on contributed art). It might still be popular but there's no way it'd go viral the way that it did.
>>78440601
I ain't talking about fanfiction, friendo. Fanfiction is sad. Either it's an autistic mess, smut, or actually good(Like Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality)
But when it's actually good you're left wondering if the writer should just make actual fiction. Or at least half-original fiction, like Prequel. The guy who makes Prequel should update Prequel more, he could easily have taken Hussie's place if he worked.
Also I picked the Sasuke image because I was in a /tv/ thread where they said Rey was the last surviving Padawan and I thought to myself that's literally Naruto tier stupid. On a new computer senpai, only have like three images.
>>78436445
>Some additional engineering challenges were starting to pile up that would not have been present with a 2D system.
anyone got the gif/webm of the Hiveswap sample of the character running into the bookshelf and glitching into the floor?
>>78436836
I bet it's fucking difficult too, knowing the one time he could use the insnae legion of fans he has and have them descend on The Odd Gentleman for that bullshit.
That said, I love the 2D look, but this game really should not have even been an idea until the comic was done. We probably would've been done with the comic and had the game farther along in development by now.
>>78440674
I really have to question this Odd Gentlemen thing
You can't just take two point five million dollars and run away with it. Like, even if Hussie was stupid enough to sign a contract with a loophole that allowed for that, he would still have tons of legal options at his disposal.
>>78436445
this is gonna be shit
>>78440648
I disagree.
Think of all of the droves of mindless ship-crazy racial-canon obsessed tumblr fans and their viral influence as well as $$$ bucks.
Now think about the art contributions and cool albums made, and ask yourself if "Those" kind of fans really honestly care about those things at all and if anything would be any different over it. I cannot see the average "SQUEEE DAVE IS GAY XD!!!11" fan even caring the slightest about the music album.
Luckily those kind of fans have abandoned Homestuck and either moved onto Undertale or Crying Universe.
>>78440615
>>78440601
Anyone who writes fanfiction isn't a "writer."
Fanfiction is literally meme fiction. You don't need to establish a setting or characters, and you get points for referencing things that actually happened in canon
>>78440732
What if you're writingFetish/smut fics?
>>78440701
Devil's avocado for a sec, what probably happened is that he weighed his options and decided that settling out of court would let him save as much of the remaining kickstarter cash left so he could focus on the game. Otherwise he could've pressed a lawsuit, but it would've drained both tons of time and money doing so, and nobody would be happy.
We don't like it, hell, he probably doesn't like it either, but this way we actually get the game before 2019 and can move on with our lives.
>>78440740
Then you actually have a shot at getting published
>>78440732
I'd consider it similar to being a writer on a TV show you didn't create, except most fanfiction is complete trash.
>>78440746
Then he's a fucking moron. This isn't monopoly money, it's 2.5 million dollars, dollars which were crowd funded no less.
The amount of legal hell he can rain down on The Old Gentlemen, if they indeed did what he alludes to them doing, is absolutely bonkers
We're talking Class Action. We're talking waaaaaaaaaaaay more than 2.5 million dollars.
>>78440730
>Think of all of the droves of mindless ship-crazy racial-canon obsessed tumblr fans
I am thinking of them. I just don't think they'd be nearly as enthused without shit like "[S] Make Her Pay" to rev their engines. I think of it like, Twilight was popular as a book but it's a fucking phenomenon as a series of films.
>>78440701
Even if they didn't take the money and move it to King's Quest, they obviously took payment, didn't fill their end, made a shit proof of concept and then just left to make another game.
Doing any legal action would be too costly and take even more time away. In a perfect world Hussie could bring legal action to them after the comic and game is done, assuming statute of limitations didn't run out, but I doubt it'll be worth it.
I guess that's what happens when you trust a studio with the most fedora tier name ever.
2 M I L L I O N D O L L A R S
>>78440777
2.5 mil is the entire budget, If I remember he lost somewhere around 400-800 thousand
>>78440761
Nah. TV shows have actors, directors, and a staff of other writers
Fanfiction is vulgar because it's people making glib facsimiles of the characters other people know and love
Now not all fanfiction is bad.
Prequel, for example, is quite good.
But at the end of the day, 1 million words about Anon's self insert titfucking Tifa means nothing.
>>78440777
Which would take way way way longer to win, even if they could win, than it would ever take to create the game. And nobody would be happy, even if he won the settlement. He was given money to create a game, not sue a company for more money.
>>78440814
At least it wasn't THREE POINT THREE
>>78440814
This is Adventure Quest, an online flash game for tweens and kiddos that rakes in millions every year from premium accounts.
I guarantee it didn't require 2 million dollars to make.
>>78440835
But for Sitcoms and most TV shows you just have to churn out Garbage and formulaic scripts that have been rehashed for decades. It's the lowest of the low.
>>78440847
>>78440815
>>78440785
Look, I know you guys are saying he's just cutting his losses but for fuck's sake look at the concept art, it's terrible.
This is going to be another mediocre game that disappoints its backers. I think Hussie has a responsibility to avenge the project's death. He should rain hellfire down on this shitty studio.
>>78440882
Hey, I'm currently working my ass off to become the lowest of the low. It's a lot harder than you'd expect
>>78440835The animation for Prequels minigames and flash portions are better than the new 2D content we got for Hiveswap
>>78440884
Now actually, the concept art isn't bad. They have some legitimately good concept artists.
But the art for the game itself? It's completely mediocre. Like Newgrounds level crap. Which is why it was such a disappointment, the PS1 Cut scenes seemed better by comparison.
>>78440882
>Adventure Quest
How long did it take them to think of that?
>>78440904
Working hard to get that BAZINGA money huh?
>>78440917
Way less time it took to get any working start on Hiveswap.I'm a little biased because I used to love the fuck out of the game when I was 12. Never bought the premium content though.
>>78440814
this is just sad
>>78440884
I think the game will be passable if it at least gives us enough lore shit to dig through and find, but if it ends up being a 100% gaiden game like Hussie has hinted it'll be an average game that could've been made by a competent team for 50,000.
I would love for Hussie to bring legal action to ToG too, but the man is tired and just ready to move on, and they've already probably settled and it's done.Also not to mention a good deal of people were totally okay with ToG doing that shit BECAUSE it was for the Homestuck Game.
>>78440672
>Hiveswap sample of the character running into the bookshelf and glitching into the floor
>>78440814
Wait a minute-
God, please tell me. Is that a 3D model rendered flat in the picture, like in Smash Brothers, or just a shitty 2D spite or still image? I need to know.
>>78440986
A raw 2D sprite that's going to get polished in upcoming updates.
>>78440975
Well atleast they got theirs.
They're probably banging their heads at ToG over the fact that Toby and Undertale completely blew away their shitty Kings Quest game in Sales. Undertale is a smash cult hit, while their game is a sad footnote that'll soon be forgotten.
>>78441006
>They're probably banging their heads at ToG over the fact that Toby and Undertale completely blew away their shitty Kings Quest game
I doubt it. They probably don't give a shit and just want to get paid.
>it's an anger management therapy au
>the patients are Karkat and Vriska
So, who are the therapists? How will you tort- I mean help those poor kids out?
>>78441006
It does raise a good point as to why they went with King's Quest. It's possible they weren't aware of Homestuck and it's popularity. King's Quest, while a well loved series, is FAR past it's glory days and is as likely to see a revival as Space Quest or Leisure Suit Larry. The high point of the game is probably being featured on Game Grumps,
>>78441085
>So, who are the therapists?
COME ON
>that portrait of Trizza
>those STRONG horns
>Dammek and Xefros rockin' out
>>78441101
>Implying Rose post-cascade is any kind of therapist, especially when she needs one
>Rose, 2011+
>Having any personality at all
Good one anon.
>>78441105
>1105 â–¶
>File: hiveswap%20pic.jpg (372 KB, 639x1227)
That shit looks so cash.
Shame the game couldn't look like that.
>>78441036
Didn't they spend the whole video they made talking how much they loved that saga of games? Never heard of it desu
They should probably at least feel a little bad about his game going to shit next to some indie meme game.
And even the youtubers, being the ones that are spreading games nowadays, I haven't seen a single lets play of King Quest.
>>78441085
Therapists are Rose and Dirk. Both are licensed professionals. Both do more harm than good. John is a janitor, and his few words of advice do much more help than all the therapy sessions combined. However, the shitty twist ending is when Karkat and Vriska try to find him to thank him at the end,they learn "John Egbert" disappeared into the steam tunnels under the city more than 20 years ago.
>>78439891
It's all been downhill since https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOJwB80oCWk
>>78441115
It is supposedly some of the art they did while they were still shooting for 3D. It could still make it in.
>>78441123
I don't think game developers are constantly comparing their games to whatever's popular, especially when the games are as different as King's Quest and Undertale. You never really know when a game is going to become a meme and dominate internet media. That's not something you have any control over, so I think most developers have a business-minded perspective of "if it makes a profit and doesn't break our budget, we did good"
>>78441123
Game Grumps did one but I think it was mostly because Dan has a gigantic boner for old school adventure games, I doubt they would've played it if not for that.
So be honest here.
Does anyone at all have any hope for Hiveswap anymore with what we've seen?
>>78441233
I never had any hope for it to begin with. This way I can either have my expectations met or be mildly surprised. Either option is fine to me.
rip neat 3d models
>>78441233
Yes. No matter how bad everything else is, Hussie still wrote the plot.
Because, as we all know, the people who read the comic did it for the high quality art and animations.
>>78441233
Yes but then again I still like Homestuck.
>>78441263
Isn't Cohen writing the plot now?
>>78441263
>Still believing this
He wrote the barebones outline for it. The rest isn't even being written by Hussie, the dialog and everything that matters is being written by some douchy tumblr asshat that has pretty much zero tact on twitter.
>>78441274
Well, I sure didn't read it for the trolls.
>>78441283
>>78441287
Andrew, Ryan and Cohen are all head writers.
>>78441274
That's what I was saying earlier.
We would've played the game just for the Writing if they'd gone minimalist from the start. Sadly they've poured so much effort into irrelevant details and now it's going to be shitty because it doesn't even seem to have Hussies touch or masterful writing behind it.
He have a team of nitwits waaay too much control so it's gonna suck.
>>78441277
Homestuck for me is like a beloved child that I adored until they turned 18 and became a drunk potsmoking burnout who crashed into a motel somewhere and got herpes with a gay transvestite. Than joined him and became a gay transvestite. You still want to give unconditional love but...it's so damn hard.
>>78441105
How is it that they can get good concept artists like that but cannot get a decent sprite animator to make a walk animation worth a damn?
>>78440884
>This is going to be another mediocre game that disappoints its backers. I think Hussie has a responsibility to avenge the project's death. He should rain hellfire down on this shitty studio.
Hussie wont do that, cause his GF was the one that pushed him to let them make the game, they are part of the San Fran Click and his SJW GF wanted to gain points with them.
Shes probably cucking Hussie with them.
>>78439389
You also forgot to mention that the game development and the problems that plagued it is a huge reason as to why the webcomic still isn't done. Many of us are irked that this game really put a huge hiatus on the webcomic.
Hussie just really screwed the goddamn pooch this time. He spent so much on this game and this crap is just what we have here. It'd be much better for us if the game actually looked promising, but it looks like we can't expect it to be that good.
Oh well, maybe people will somehow like it more than Fallout 4, because with Fallout 4, people were expecting it to be one of the best games of all time. With this, people are already considering it a flop. It seems like games that are already considered Dead on Arrival are more likely to gain praise.
>>78441303
>Andrew Ryan and Cohen are all head writers.
So it's being written by an objectivist psychopath and a mad artist living at the bottom of the ocean?
My main worry for this game is how the fate of all the characters and settings have kinda already been set in stone.
Both earth and alternia ane going to destroyed by sburb, while the trolls either die by old age or psychic brain explosion.
Meanwhile joey and jude are going to die at the ripe old age of 26 by either meteors or that energy blast bec made.
At this point I'd be fine if in the credits we see years later jude/joey get a gift from "aunt roxy" that contains a alpha copy of sburb. (since john and the gang had a beta copy)
>>78441598
I was willing to give it the benefit of the doubt for the longest time.
"Wait and see" I said when we didn't hear any news for a year.
"Wait and see" I said again when The Odd Gentlefaggots swindled hussie.
"Just be patient." I insisted when all of the creators were twitter divas and tumblr hacks.
"Just wait, it m-might be good!" I said when we heard the news about all the animators and artists getting laid off.
But this is kinda a deal-breaker here. Remember how we were all crushed when the comic introduced Ret-Gones removing 2 years worth of story just to bring Vriska back? That's how this feels right now, only they scrapped a project 3-4 years in the making just to bring back a crappled excuse for a project and absolutely no signs of reassurance that this still has anything quality going for it.
There's nothing to root for here anymore.
>>78440268
>and it dont stop
damn right. he should go back to it. and yeah, the collab was between hussie and a guy called tauhid who's practically dropped off the internet since he stopped updating his personal webcomic.
jane's hair
>>78441843
That...
Still makes no sense.
Why are the bangs up like that? Why doesn't she comb it down?
Somewhere in an Alternative Timeline, Z.U.N is failing miserably to fulfill kickstarter obligations as he scrambles to put together a massive interactive Webcomic project for his famed 2hu series.
Homestuck Kickstarter was the biggest case of mass idiocy in history. Millions of people throwing money at a game that had zero game design info or info about the developers just because it said Homestuck on it.
>>78441258
god why did they have to go
i know the budget is tough and all, but the 3d looks way better. although the new 2d stuff is still early in development. i hope it gets better soon.
>>78436445
3.3 MILLION DOLLARS
>>78438936
Apparently it's an intentional misspelling.
>>78441233
Yes, because I'm not bitter and don't think in extremes. It's like the people here are incapable of being cautiously optimistic.
>>78441318
And you are an inmate of an asylum for writing that terrible analogy, getting butthurt and so pointlessly attached to fiction.
You gonna buy my game, right?
>>78436445
Goddamn it. I have no idea why everyone was complaining about the 3D graphics, they looked pretty good in my opinion.
>inb4 "PS2"
Sure, and Homestuck has shitty minimalist art too. PS2 graphics are fine.
Wow the game's still in development? I remember a few years ago the damn thing got millions of dollars on Kickstarter I guess half of it's flushed down the toilet now and they've only just began developing the game.
Last time I read the damn thing was when the Condesce descended on the kids, I gave up after that realizing Hussie is a hack who keeps focusing too much on memes rather than story development.
>>78442474
took you long enough.
the entire first two acts were just plotless memes
>>78439694
The monster designs and simply being shadows with green glow mouths is shit.
>>78439694
I agree with you, the 3D here is outdated but pleasant, the 2D having a nicely drawn background doesn't mean anything when it's completely lifeless.
>>78439694
>comparing the amount of effort put into a piece of concept art to the amount of effort in a misc random hallway
>>78440672
Anyone got that gif/webm thing?
>>78441141
>Dirk keeps on molesting Karkat
>Rose just loves uncovering new triggers to make Vriska angry as fuck and turn her into a self-loathing, ranting manlet
I'm disappointed. 3D didn't look great but at least it looked like they put more effort into it than this.
All those months of work down the drain just so he could make and rushed cheaper alternative for the people who donated.
>>78443088
He probably would have ran out of his budget if he kept going with 3D though. It's better to cut your losses and go with something you can actually complete than end up with nothing.
>>78436445
>WHAT IS PERSPECTIVE
>WHAT IS A VANISHING POINT
As she walks into the background, her actual model does not shrink. That is to say, things that are further away are smaller.
However, her model doesn't change based on where she is in space.
You know notice that as she walks back, she increases in height, and as she gets closer to the camera, she shrinks. If you don't see it now, think about if her model stayed the same like that while walking back to that door.
And know you won't unsee it.
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
What's 6th grade art concepts and entry level animation?
>>78436445
What's with her legs? She looks like a fucking lego figure.
>>78442416
That's the funny thing. They weren't.
They're only going along with the shitty 2D graphics because they realized we're not getting something even a PS1 could handle and instead are settling with Hiveswap: Mobile Game edition. That's what we've come to.
>>78443179
You do know that's not a 3D model right? It's a flat 2D sprite, shitty and lifeless. They didn't even throw in the tech to really have it shrink or anything in perspective.
Her sprite doesn't even match the background n' shit. You know how people said the Odd Gentlecunts fucked up and halfassed their demo? Well even whatever they shit out still looks more solid than this. THIS looks like the demo someone rushed to try to con some hack out of their money, ironically enough.
>>78443214
2 MILLION DOLLARS
>>78441105
Was it ever explained why Hussie decided to basically make OCs without any connections to astrology? Having something to work from might've helped the execution.
>>78442712
Cept it wasn't all concept art hun. They had a working demo last year. Sometime late this year, apparently they scrapped it so good job with that.
>>78443179
The way they have it set up it looks like they have her flat image walking back and forth on a Green screen. Atrocious.
>>78442399
>not even 40 and already balding
>>78439726
I agree. During one of the updates Hussie showed a screenshot of some big ass design document he was working on and I think that's pretty much all the studio had to go on.
You need a very specific bill of work for these kinds of things. And you need to work very closely with the studio to manage resources and time.
You also usually need to scale back your vision of the scope and size of your game, but it seems like he did a fairly shitty job of that.
With KQ they had the license but they also could design things to keep the game simple.
>>78443544
At least he made it to his thirties. Male pattern baldness hit me like a truck after I entered my twenties (fuck you, dad). Been shaving my head for nearly a decade.
>>78443421
Yeah, that's correct, it is a sprite vs. a 'model'. I'm surprised they managed to throw in that drop shadow.
>>78443479
That's exactly what it looks like. Just grab some concept art and walk this character on top of it. It's like one of those kids books where they just stick stickers on a drawing.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who got a egocentric vibe from him namedropping Toby's work the way he did.
BREATH has nothing to do with FREEDOM
>>78443715
UNDERTALE WAS MADE IN MY BASEMENT
I BASICALLY MADE TOBY
I'M PRETTY MUCH UNDERTALE'S DAD
I KNOW THAT UNDERTALE GUY U GUIZ
WE HANG OUT
YOU'RE WELCOME FOR UNDERTALE
>>78436836
>The 3D they were using looked ugly and low-quality
You have poor taste.
I don't give a shit about how HS ends anymore, I've long-since made my peace with that, but I was looking forward to the game despite knowing better than to donate to the KS. The 3d looked charming as fuck, and the locations were really nice, despite being fairly simple. OP's pic is bland and lifeless, despite being significantly more detailed.
Art style and direction goes a long way.
>>78443868
Well I mean. Don't get too bent out of shape over it.
I just get a worried feeling from him, the way he brings that up.
>>78440882
Fuck, the graphics for this game have really improved. The last time i played this was like 10? years ago.
Thats saying something.
>>78436445
>tfw this is literally doable with half a week of effort
paint a pretty background, do a walk cycle, slap it in, call it a day. Fuck you Hussie.
Man, I'm glad I had no expectations from the start when I backed this so I don't have to shit my pants in fury like everyone else seems to want to do right now.
Also I think I like the 2D stuff better than the 3D, it's more colorful.and detailed.
>>78439749
How do they just do that though?
How was nothing there to stop them?
>>78439832
>that SJW cunt
I think I'm a little late to this.
Who..?
>>78444248
halftruth
>>78444232
I'm not dissapointed because I completely forgot about it long ago. But I'm upset thar THIS chunk of shit which could have been made in like two years tops if they had planned shit out from the very start is causing Homestuck to be destined to a shitty end.
Hussie stopped updating becaus of this shit. Hussie stopped giving a shit about the main comic and its writing because of this shit. Hell, Hussie probably fucked up the storyline of the comic and turned it to this asspull clusterfuck in part because of this pile of horseshit. I'm just annoyed at this point.
Fuck you Hussie.
>>78443878
it's also like two pics with an unfinished character sprite compared to all the different kinds of stuff we've seen from the 3D side. it can look equally charming with a bit of work, especially considering the talent of the people working on it
getting mad that they're changing and delaying things yet again i can understand, but it seems weird to just immediately give up on the new style after seeing two pictures of it
>>78444283
Is that a name or a single word statement.
Details pls.
>>78444328
Am I the only one who didn't retroactively start hating Homestuck because of the hiatuses? I mean I'd sure have liked to see it not stretched out so much, but I still appreciate the years of entertainment it gave to me and I've found plenty of other things to occupy myself in the meantime while I wait for it to end. So I kind of don't care how long it takes just as long as it happens eventually. If anything I'm glad he just didn't straight up give up after all this bullshit, because I think a lot of people would have.
>>78444333
The very idea that they could just shift shit from 3D to 2D 4 years into development is the annoying part.
It's basically saying, hey, fuck you guys, we did jack shit the past 4 years and the comic isn't even done yet because of it! But don't worry, here's a walk cycle slaped on a pretty background, rest assured we're working on it!
It's just so dumb. All the wasted potential the franchise had pisses me off. Hussie had it all, a meme franchise that caught on with a large fanbase. Dedicated creative people to work with. Books being published, merch being sold. Everything any creative person wanting to make a living off storytelling could want. And he fucking squandered it on this. This piece of shit game where he bit off more than he could chew. It's just aggravating.
>>78444237
Poorly worded contract, presumably.
>>78444368
I don't hate homestuck. I think people can criticise something and how poorly it was handled while still liking the franchise for what it was.
But the way things are going right now just makes me really annoyed.
There's an element of kicking Hussie while he's down in this thread, but the guy either lost, stole, or mismanaged 2.5 MILLION DOLLARS so he deserves it.
"I consider Undertale one of the better legacies of Homestuck" - like dude are you fucking serious? Toby didn't benefit from you, you benefitted from Toby.
Sure, you let him crash in your basement. It's not like he didn't work for it. The fucker made how many songs and programmed how many events for your comic?
Well whatever. he got more done with 50k than you did with 2.5 million dollars. He has a future. Yours is rapidly disappearing
>>78444457
That in itself is really kind of shameless. It's kind of cringeworthy to be honest.
>>78444435
Nah, I get the anger and criticism and I think it's justified. But I also see a lot of people going "well FUCK homestuck" as if all the fun they had with it before was like, worthless now.
I mean I guess I can understand why but I never felt that way so it's weird to me.
>>78444457
>>78444490
or you may be reading into too much what's actually said
>>78444457
>"I consider Undertale one of the better legacies of Homestuck" - like dude are you fucking serious? Toby didn't benefit from you, you benefitted from Toby.
As someone who has not delved very far into Homestuck, with only tertiary knowledge of this whole kickstarter clusterfuck, this is the only part of that whole thing I read which really bugs me.
He couldn't have needed to say this. It makes everything feel fake, if it didn't already for the rest of you (and I'm assuming it did.)
>>78444457
I really hate how neutered and pc he seems to have become. The fact that he can't just speak plainly anymore or say what he's really thinking, always dancing around the subject and avoiding saying anything too "offensive". It all just makes him look like a spineless doormat, welcoming anyone to take 2 million dollars from him and he'll just smile and accept it.
>>78444538
Regardless of loving or hating Homestuck, I think we can all acknowledge that it peaked.
I think it peaked sometime around that disgusting Namco Dating simulator
>>78444541
Yeah, Toby and Hussie are very good friends and I think that was just Hussie's way of giving a shoutout to Toby's success.
Also Toby has made it no secret that he was heavily inspired by Homestuck. People are reading way too much into that because they're mad about this other shit.
>>78444587
What was Namco thinking, though?
I mean, aside from $$$$ which I'm sure would be the response I'd get if I didn't type this sentence. What the fuck was the greenlight based on?
>>78440785
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHacDYj8KZM
Thread theme
>>78444538
I can understand people hating Homestuck now when they are basically starting to accept that the story will never be finished. Thinking back, it really is classic Hussie, though. He loves ending things as anticlimactic as possible, so what better way to end the entire story than to simply never finish it.
>>78444587
Yeah it definitely peaked, I guess I just look back on that fondly and now it's just like 'well it will be over when it's over and I'm sure it will at least have a cool ending." Considering he's talking about 30mins worth of total animation already I think it will at least somewhat live up to expectations.
>>78444610
>Thinking back, it really is classic Hussie, though.
Slap the balls out of your own mouth for like 5 minutes.
>>78444568
Thats what happens when your fanbase is basically composed of hair trigger tumblrinas. It's really fucking sad. And the fact that the insanely dedicated ones are the ones likely still giving any fucks about homestuck right now means that his hands are really tied.
Poor Hussie. But fuck Hussie.
>>78444567
It was really unnecessary. And just a little pathetic. Like an old hack tying to cling to any sembelance of relevance by trying to claim even a sliver of credit from the hard work from someone who used to be under him. It's just a little sad.
>>78436445
Cool, so $2.4 million is going towards a flash game. This better be one big flash game. I want it to take 40 hours to beat, and that's not including easter eggs and shit.
>>78444568
What makes you think he's doing any of that and not just saying what he thinks?
>>78444601
I understand that it could be an inside joke in good taste between the two but when placed in context to the public eye (Toby's game 50k funding done in a couple years, Hussie's 2.5mil funding without even a demo out to show for it since everything was scrapped) it's just really kind of stupid to even mention Undertale at all.
>>78439749
Did Hussie ever confirm this? It just seems like an internet rumor to me.
>>78444696
ipgd started all of it, and since she's a close friend of Hussie and matches up with things Hussie said earlier in the year it's likely it's true. Hussie's most likely in a NDA so he can't fully confirm anything.
>>78443785
Still waitng for green lantern, fa.m.
>>78444664
Fat vriska
>>78444283
I said details pls.
Pls.
>>78445507
halftruth is hussie's SJW girlfriend who he started dating around Act 5? And /hsg/ had an ongoing feud with her. Not a lot to tell.
>>78445555halftruth is a vapid cunt
>>78445507
Depending on who you ask, halftruth/softowl is either the person responsible for everything wrong with the comic or part of what makes it great (hint:Tumblr).
>>78441372
they probably made that walk cycle between when hussie said there'd be an end of year update and now.
>>78445555
I am sick of death of all the Yoko Ono stories.
Holy shit.
There have been so many Yoko Onos in my shirt ass lifetime.
>>78440275
wasn't it tumblr who bragged about Homestuck longer than War and Peace?
>He treated word count like it was a high score instead of a testament to how bloated his shitty story got
yeah, understandable, especially with act 6
>>78445856
Hussie did bring up the word count at least once, but it was more in a "I'm fucking working all the time so be a little grateful" context
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40585720/Combined_Formspring_Web_Aug-28-2011.htm#mspadventures217252871568130030
To be fair, at the time, he was still moving at a pretty insane pace.
>>78445507
she used to handle copyright claims and stuff involving merch, she got a lot of (justified) flak for that because of how she basically sicced the fans on people instead of actual legal discourse
at one point she implied that other people shouldn't be allowed to make shirts with zodiac signs on them
>>78445856
more than once ive seen them reference that one vlogger's video about how its 'the Ulysses of the internet', basically trying to treat how bloated it is as a good thing
>>78446188
ahh yeah, i've noticed the Ulysses one!
i've never read Ulysses but i think it must be written much better than Bloatedstuck.
>>78446275
i haven't read it either but considering it's an ancient piece of literature that's still remembered I think it's safe to say it's not comparable to a webcomic that will become impenetrable in a few decades once the pop culture references really stagnate
>>78446382
yeah, true!
also, can't tell if BloatedStuck has been used as a fanventure name, i've seen some shit in MSPFanventure page talking about adventure titles, but not only title, also the content.
People bitched about the 3D, now you're bitching about the 2D...
>>78446432
There have been as many _____Stuck Titles as there have been _____Gate scandals.
>>78446483
HSG is bitching because Joey has fat thighs now.
>>78446382
>written in 1922
>ancient piece of literature
>>78446483
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2s56IQzsBE
>>78446518
huh, i thought it was like the Odyssey, which had Ulysses as a character
I haven't even heard of the modern(ish) novel until now
![tumblr_nqz0dc9FBU1r8x2ybo1_400[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3Etokj6.jpg "tumblr nqz0dc9FBU1r8x2ybo1 400[1]")
>>78446571
>I haven't even heard of the modern(ish) novel until now
http://strawpoll.me/6367933
>>78446571
Oh my fucking god
>>78446704
>http://strawpoll.me/6367933
non tumblrcuck version.
>>78446483
Because before the 3d was shit and then the new 2d was even more shit. I mean before the background and the actual characters looked like they matched, now we can't even get that.
The background is nicely done and detailed, but the character is still the design they where going for in the 3d look, resulting in the clash of styles. The background looks nothing like homestuck Doesn't help that they couldn't even make a clean walk animation to show.
>>78446744
>now we can't even get that.
So just like Homestuck, the background and characters don't match
>>78446770
they did in Hivebent, and as a result it is the only good part of Homestuck
I just don't care.
Like when/if the comic finally updates then yeah sure, I'll give it one last read before moving on. But I have no reason to believe in or care about this game which may or may not still be an 8 part episodic clusterfuck that he's already admitted will be irrelevant to the main tale.literally just give us a successful session so all the lore details that just got fucking dropped get answered, I want to know what a Mage does god dammit
>>78446820
>using memes to call people tumblr
>>>/v/
>>>/pol/
>>>/tv/
>>78446858
Mages are active seers
>>78446873
I was clearly trolling anon and he rightfully dismissed me with a meme
>364 autistm laden replies
>nobody bothered to post pictures of the fuchsia semen suckerfish from the game
>>78436445
she's qt, but why can't Toby just fund this shit from his own cash, and not be a fucking cuck with us.
>>78446883
FUCK the active/passive dichotomy
ruined classpect theorizing forever
Hussie forgot how to worldbuild
>>78446883
Remember when homestuck was a game they were playing and had classes and lands and quest to complete
>>78446489
and 99% of them are bland ripoffs
>>78446922
It still is, they just don't spend storytelling resource on the minutia of game mechanics any more.I liked it better back then too.
>>78446901
why the hell would you want toby to keep this game on life support
I wish I just had an audience to tell "I told you so"
Non-video game people who don't know shit about game design trying to branch out is like a guaranteed studio bankrupter
Wasn't the original plan that the MC would've been "you"? Like, customizable?
Joey's a goddamn semen demon
>>78447539
Joey is like the familial equivalent of a cuck
>>78447571
>Jake had kids in his 80s
Not trans fucking CONFIRMED
>Joey and Jude (and presumably his wife) were just more trophies to be kept at home collecting dust while Jake went out and did more exploring
joey is SHIT
I would have preferred either homestuck characters or completely independent characters, not this half-baked spinoff fanfic OC shit
>>78444368
I didn't start hating Homestuck because of the hiatuses, I simply started hating it when it began to notice the big flaws of the plot, along with how it pretty much wasn't going anywhere.
>>78436445
>Advertising your kickstarter on 4chan
Just no.
>>78447790
bro
this kickstarter ended in October 2012
>>78447659
>Jake is bad with relationship
whodathunk
Oh, Joey. What have they done to you?
the difference in opinion between pockets of the fandom is interesting, here hiveswap is seen as a trainwreck, but on reddit it has unanimous praise for starting again from 2D, and on kickstarter its a lot of people wishing for more transparency
>>78449052
It's all at once. Hiveswap is a trainwreck, there should be more transparency, and it should've been in 2D from the beginning.
>>78449052
Reddit was just as negative about Hiveswap as /hst/, it's just people in these threads always prefer to bitch about everything.
>>78449086
oh for sure, it's just funny how there's a split based on which websites talk about it
>>78449240
they're not negative about the update, despite the fact that the game has started development from scratch for like the third time
>>78449279
Well it's not a complete do-over like last time, there's still a fair handful of assets that can still be used.
>>78436445
>hey look, it's a flash game now
>>78449368
Well they say that, but I don't believe it. None of the textures from the models can be used and all the backgrounds need to be made since they were originally 3D.
Most of that art shown in the update seems like pictures for the online troll-twitter or instagram or whatever social media gimmick the game has.
>Aranea will never suffocate you with her thighs
>>78449491
They said they have a truckload of concept art for the 3D backgrounds and other assets, so it's likely those are going to be used, maybe with a bit of tweaking.
>>78449574
>using concept art for the backgrounds
jeez, i bet the concepts are in different artstyles too
>>78436445
I'm going to be disappointed if it's actually good
>caring at all
I'm willing to start a betting pool giving 2:1 odds this game never gets released.
>>78449683
I want a SB&HJ game hidden somewhere in it
>>78449686
I'd take that bet. Milking Homestuck is the only living that Hussie knows anymore, even if it's complete ass the game will come out eventually.
>>78449683
this
the whole development is a protracted mess, if it ends up bearing fruit it just legitimizes how shittily they've been running the kickstarter
>>78449795
it doesn't matter how good it is, because no matter how good it is, it is obvious to everyone that it could have been even better if it wasn't mismanaged to hell and back
>>78447713
>a character created by hussie
>fanfic oc
what the fuck is wrong with you you moron
>>78449778
You can play THPS5 in the mean time
>>78449830
y'know what would have bene awesome?
if The Odd Gentlemen had made the game like they had been paid to do instead of stealing the money and making King's Quest.
Can you imagine a Homestuck game with as much polish and shine as that King's Quest game?
>>78450049
hussie handed off a design document and expected them to make it without his oversight, it would have been namco high all over again, a shit game that has hussies name pasted on it
>>78447713
>or completely independent characters
But that's exactly what she is.
>>78450108
You don't know that.
They stole the money and made a different game. We'll never know what it would have been like.
>>78450169
no she's not, she's a Harleybert who is somehow friends with Roxy
I like that Joey has a star theme
>>78437120
>>78437175
>>78437317
You have no idea how creativity work. tow artist can influence each other, especially if they ave in the same house. and there is moral support that always count far more than you can imagine.
>>78450228
She's a Harley, but not a bert.
>>78450212
the whole reason he got scammed is because he wasn't overseering it very closely, which means it would have been made by the outline he wrote with ryan north
also I'm still waiting a single source on what happened with TOG that's not that one ipgd post
>>78450228
>she's a Harleybert
We don't even know her familly tree.
> who is somehow friends with Roxy
It's almost as if, in homestuck, everything is related or connected in some way... Can you believe it?
new fave
>>78450374
>Can you believe it?
clearly I can because if I didn't I wouldn't be bitching about it
don't deflect
>>78450367
Well technically she's an English, I guess. All Harleys and Berts are also Englishes.
>>78450403
From Meenah, to Meenah$
Love!
Meenah!
>>78439823
>But what we have in 2D so far, all one or two pictures of it looks stupid and less appealing than the RPG walkarounds we got in Homestuck.
I don't know how long it's been since you played those walkarounds but no the screenshots we have look almost the same. Could just be a personal thing though
>>78450228
>Harleybert
Only on her father's side. Grandpa/Jake had children the old-fashioned way with some earth woman around the 1980's.
>friends with Roxy
Rose's mom, the woman who owned that sweet house with all the wizard statues in it, was a teenager at some point while she was growing up on Earth. It's not entirely inconceivable that she was hired to babysit Joey and Jude when they were young children, especially since she has an established relationship with SkaiaNet, Jake's company which produced SBURB and all that fun horse shit.
>>78450411
>clearly I can because if I didn't I wouldn't be bitching about it
>don't deflect
You are the one deflecting.
It's a big thematic of the Homestuck universe that everything is connected and you call it out specifically for Joey? She is just as connected and independent to the universe as any other.
>Well technically she's an English, I guess. All Harleys and Berts are also Englishes.
We don't even know her family tree.
>>78450345
i don't care if they influence each other, hussie is hinting at the idea that he's some sort of mentor to radiation, except hussie can't make a game worth dick, and radiation made an acclaimed game on a shoestring budget
the idea that undertale is a good game because of hussie is a fucking joke, an inspiration maybe, but that's no reason to talk about radiation like he's tangentially responsible
>>78450369
>also I'm still waiting a single source on what happened with TOG that's not that one ipgd post
I refuse to believe that people can steal 400k, make a game with them, an get away with it just like that.
>>78450446
>It's not entirely inconceivable
No, of course it's not. It's just extremely convenient and lazy. Very much feels like someones OC written into a homestuck fanfic in such a way that they're secretly related to everyone in the cast even though nobody mentioned them until now.
>>78440198
STIP NOT LIKING WHAT I LIKE YOU FAGGOT
IM GONNA BUY THE GAME AND READ THE COMIC AND ENJOY BOTH OF THEM
>>78450446
So Jake is Joey's dad? What if he raised Roxy with them?
>>78449683
When a game takes super long to make its either amazing or dreadful there's really no in between
>>78450611
what amazing games are there that took super long to make?
>>78450537
There's "liking stuff I don't like" and there's "liking trash"
See a guy enjoying a blowjob and you don't like blowjobs? You can still understand them.
See a guy eating shit? That's a different story, maybe something's really wrong with him.
Homestuck is a soap opera, in structure (very long and meandering) and in content (character does a billion different things and interacts with a billion other characters). It's completely masturbatory (little kid controls the universe from a videogame!) and it's entirely unfocused.
Liking it probably means you have something very wrong with you. You're like Twilight moms, except the content you're crazy about is even lowlier than Twilight, it's like Days of Our Lives, but more masturbatory.
This is my professional opinion.
>>78450624
Half-Life 3
>>78450506
>hussie is hinting at the idea that he's some sort of mentor to radiation
Except he isn't. none of what he is saying imply that and you are the one projecting. You are literally getting mad at someone for something he didn't say.
>the idea that undertale is a good game because of hussie is a fucking joke
It was indeed, literally a Joke. Hussie was making an humorous comment and you took it seriously. All he actually said was that he helped his friend by sharing his home with him.
You are really getting assblast over non-facts.
I wonder if the TellTales guys could do something good out of Homestuck.
They did a pretty good job with the Borderlands franchise after all, which wasn't an obvious outcome.
>>78450641
Thanks for your opinion hun, I'll stick it in the trash with the rest of them
>>78450641
I think there's something wrong with you if you can't understand why people would like a masturbatory soap opera.
>>78450624
Valve games mostly
>>78450506
>and radiation made an acclaimed game on a shoestring budget
little developer fact: the cost of production exponentially increase with the graphics and the size of the game as well of the amount of people working on it. You can't really compare the budget with two game being so different.
>>78450701
Because people are very stupid?
>>78450724
sure, and I guess you just happen to be misunderstood and smarter and more sensitively introverted than everyone else
>>78450752
Are you trying to say that soap operas are even watchable if you're not retarded?
>>78450676
Say what you will about homestuck I don't think anyone will deny its...uniquness. I doubt anyone could really do homestuck like hussie
>>78450624
duke nukem forever
>>78450769
if you watch them ironically with friends while drinking booze, well yes they are
>>78450641
holy shit
son, do you have autism?
i've never seen someone so incapable of understanding that people have different tastes
>>78450769
>people who like what I don't must be retarded
Yeah, okay you're right. Let's just leave it here
>>78450624
STALKER took like seven years, it wasn't polished at all but it's a pretty good game
>>78450668
pretty funny joke haha i just wrote a whole paragraph about that guy who made undertale haha as a joke hah pretty funny right
>>78450769
Well your use of hyperbole is making it difficult for me to answer your question. Clearly you don't mean literal retards, so what you're trying to do is associate soap operas with people of lowly intelligence, which all comes back to you being an elitist misanthropic prick.
>>78450369
>>78450516
he moved across the goddamn country to be closer to their headquarters because tbey were ignoring him and not responding to his requests for progress
it's not that he wasn't trying ti oversee the progress it's that they weren't listening to him, or letting him
we're not gonna get any more info because everyone has an NDA on them, and there's a reason for that
Remember that Homestuck episode where all the trolls are playing a MMO and Vriska is playing an OP piece of shit class and no one can beat her?
And then they beat her anyway with the power of friendship and grinding? I loved that episode.And the post-credit scene with Karkat getting Vriska's armor and becoming powerhungry.
>Hiveswap is an upcoming video game set in the Homestuck universe. The story involves a human girl, Joey Claire, who is sent to the planet Alternia after she finds and accidentally activates a mysterious device in her attic. To return home, she must work with a group of troll rebels to prevent the activation of a doomsday weapon that threatens both of their worlds. [2]
Is the doomsday weapon the game? Is this partly going be about delving into the background of the game with their mission being in vain?
>>78450530
It makes sense for the character to be someone related to young granpdpa and close to young mom, think of all the shit we might learn about them. And because the Harley/English's are the only people on earth who would have a trans-universal portal in their attic.
>>78450843
>pretty funny joke haha i just wrote a whole paragraph about that guy who made undertale haha as a joke hah pretty funny right
Yes it is. Yes it is. Hussie is know to have this kind of tone in his posts. Are you new?
>>78450892
>to prevent the activation of a doomsday weapon that threatens both of their worlds.
Look like failure is the only option.
>>78450912
If you can't see ego maniacal way hussie acts being more than a joke, I don't know what to tell you other than you're dumb
>>78450886
>he moved across the goddamn country to be closer to their headquarters because tbey were ignoring him
see shit like this, obviously something happened with TOG but stuff like this is really, really hard to believe
if I lived near there, I'd like to walk into their office myself just to check how that works out
undertale was developed in hussie's basement
i know they influenced each other in their individual game development projects
i can't wait
hiveswap is gonna be so good
>inb4 eww it's a flash game it's gonna be a shitty game
so what? you don't engage in a work of hussie's for anything but the art and the writing
the writing is gonna be awesome and it's gonna be pretty
that's what matters
just like undertale
it's not technically complex, (technical as in mechanics) but it's complelling for other reasons and that's what makes it so good
>>78450964
>If you can't see ego maniacal way hussie acts being more than a joke
That's exactly what it is.
Not to mention, you still keep reading more than there actually is. Hussie isn't taking any more credit than what he is due and you are getting mad at his ass because of
>implication
>>78450892
I understand why they're doing it, it's easier to sell a spinoff if you include known characters and the promise of lore involving those characters. But to me it carries the sense of "this story didn't really need to be told", all The Lion King 1.5 and shit. That's why I would have preferred either a direct sequel, which is immediately relevant to the characters of Homestuck, or a standalone story the uses the setting in a totally new way. This half-baked approach doesn't appeal to me at all.
>>78450964
>how dare hussie say that he is proud that the friend he helped with a home and giving exposure succeed
Sound like a nice and fair thing to say.
>>78451006
Yeah businesses tend not to be that nice. I've heard of much more ridiculous shit before
>>78451014
Well said anon, remember to donate to the Beatas Patreon, and offer your services as a Proud cuck to women on the internet.
>>78451006
why the fuck did he move then
>>78451093
wow what the fuck are you talking about
where was i talking about women
are you triggered or something, you seem to be babbling
>>78451037
>it's easier to sell a spinoff if you include known characters
No, it's not that it's easier, it's that it's LITERALLY what a spin-off is about Same universe, new character, but connected to the original story. If you don't have that, then making it a spin-off is pointless.
It's like you are complaining that the spin-off of Breaking Bad, Better call Saul happens to have connection with the original story. It does because that's what a Spin-off does.
>It carries the sense of "this story didn't really need to be told"
you couldn't be more wrong. what it say is, "here is a part of the universe that is interesting enough to develop it".
I can't really understand why he went with the odd gentlemen in the first place. I'd never heard of them before this and they don't have much of a track record.
>>78451037
>, or a standalone story the uses the setting in a totally new way.
But this is precisely what the game is doing. How dense can you be?
>>78451092
yeah but he had business with them, the idea that he got stopped at the door is just insanity
>>78451114
>>78451167
Why are you raping me with your comments?
I thought you were allies, but you are probably just a basement dwelling virgin misoginerd, that terrorizes women.
You should be ashamed of yourself for raping me with your comment, please stop talking about Undertale and Homestuck with your cisscum words.
Its only for the truly enlightened that have accepted Feminism into their lives.
>>78450641
>Homestuck is a soap opera, in structure (very long and meandering) and in content (character does a billion different things and interacts with a billion other characters).
Well it was influenced by other Soap Operas, like LOST. The comic came out immediately after the advent of highly dense soaps like Heros, and 24 (Which Huss admitted following). It's just that but with RPG/Retro videogame references.
>It's completely masturbatory (little kid controls the universe from a videogame!) and it's entirely unfocused.
That wasn't even true until God Tiers came in. Sure they could build little itty bitty houses but that was it, otherwise they were plopped into their planets, told to do quests and the "universe"" tried to kill them constantly.
If it seems long and unfocused, that's just because of it's length and the fact that Hussie cannot stick to one thing. He said Homestuck is just his spring board for experimenting with storytelling, so it's to be expected that the work isn't coherent. One minute they're talking about the economy of magic talking Crocodiles, then the "bioexistential" framework of timelines and living Universes, than we swerve back around to the comic being about teen drama and the tenants of Homosexuality. The mood whiplash really distracts from the earlier portions of the comic that knew what they were, but I'm convinced if it never branched from those first 4 acts it would only be footnote, have ended and long be forgotten by now.
It's good to experiment, I like that he did different things and tried other focuses. I just think he flew a little too close to the sun here and his wings are slowly but surely falling off in real-time..
>>78451234
Anon you know you can just hide threads right? Like you don't have to bait threads you don't like when you see them, hell I think there are even extensions that automatically hide threads with certain words
>>78451154
>>78451131
Do you people know how to do anything but argue semantics?
>>78451131
Fine, I accept your definition of spinoff. It's easier to sell a [DERIVATIVE WORK IN A GIVEN FRANCHISE] if you include known characters.
>>78451154
Fine, I accept your definition of standalone. I would have preferred a [STORY THAT DOES NOT RELY ON EXISTING CHARACTERS OR PLOT POINTS AND IS THEREFORE INTERESTING BASED ON ITS OWN MERITS RATHER THAN THROUGH EXPANDING AN ALREADY SELF-CONTAINED STORY]
It should be clear from context what I mean so please don't be pedantic. Also I'm pretty sure that at one point they said Hivebent would be a critical tie-in to Homestuck's plot so whatever, it was a foregone conclusion from the beginning.
>>78451234
>please stop talking about Undertale and Homestuck with your cisscum words.
>Its only for the truly enlightened that have accepted Feminism into their lives.
sorry, I wasn't listening over the sound of how hard I am fapping to homestuck porn right now
>>>/aco/254391
>>78450717
That doesn't really distract from or refute the point at all.
Homestuck was made on 0$. Undertale was hashed out in pennies. Hussie had 2.5 Million dollars.
He could have easily made that money go a long way if he'd just went with a minimalist artwork fitting for Homestuck and limited the graphics and size to something easily manageable in 2 years time. Instead he poured it into a 3D Catastrophe, and now he has to spend MORE money trying to churn out a 2D catastrophe to save face which will no doubt turn out just as botched.
Radiation worked with what he had. Hussie should've undercut his and worked small.
>>78451258
>>78451284
Please stop raping me with your words, you need to think of my feelings before posting you shitlord.
>>78450769
Yes. A lot of them are really good, for a season or two. I unironically enjoyed Star Trek, LOST and the first season or 2 of Heroes.
Pretty fitting that the claimed LOST of Webcomics is suffering all the same narrative flaws and looks to end just as anticlimactically.
>>78451314
>Homestuck was made on 0$
Anon I....
>>78451348
>Feelings
This isn't tumblr, pal.
>>78451279
so you literally just wanted a game not related to homestuck lol?
>>78451279
>Do you people know how to do anything but argue semantics?
I am not arguing semantic. I am using basic logic.
>It's easier to sell a [DERIVATIVE WORK IN A GIVEN FRANCHISE] if you include known characters.
Wheteh or not it's easier to sell doesn't matter. The only thing that matter is "does it bring something to the story? does it gives us something intterresting, something we would like to know? This is the only thing thing that define whether or not to include a known character from the original show.
>[STORY THAT DOES NOT RELY ON EXISTING CHARACTERS OR PLOT POINTS AND IS THEREFORE INTERESTING BASED ON ITS OWN MERITS RATHER THAN THROUGH EXPANDING AN ALREADY SELF-CONTAINED STORY]
But it is ridiculous to make a story less good for the sake of some sort of arbitrary requirement. Removing something that could improve the story because "people might thing I am just doing it because it's popular" is as bad as including something that hurt the story for the same reason of popularity.
Here is the thing: There need to be an explanation as for how Joey stumble on the device. Grandpa is a good reason for it.
Not to mention, it fit with the whole theme of HS having everything connected.
473 replies and no sign of childpile? New record
>>78451382
Its satire.
>>78451399
Pretty much. I basically just want the setting because I am already so fucking tired of these characters.
>>78451014
>so what? you don't engage in a work of hussie's for anything but the art and the writing
>the writing is gonna be awesome and it's gonna be pretty
>that's what matters
No it's not.
Ryan "TALK TO ME LIKE AN ADULT" North and that other twitterfag are co-writing it. It's not gonna be written so good.
>>78451314
>He could have easily made that money go a long way if
It's like, Hussie isn't able to foresee the future.
>>78451134
The do have a track record.
Screwing over Neil Gaiman.
>>78437511
youre telling me this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmDtvKD236U
doesnt expand dong for you
>>78451348
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>>78451421
>just want the setting
Anon, that is not possible. One of the biggest them in homestuck is how everything is connected. If you set something in the homestuck universe, then it will have connection with the established story.
>>78451457
actually its about ethics in baking :^)
>>78451367
Yes?
>>78451439
>What is having good foresight
>What is having any knowledge about making a videogame and running a studio in Manhattan that would let you know you're going to run through your budget like that...
>>78451424
What's wrong with Ryan North?
>>78451506
neither of them bake
>>78451284
>first pic is karkat with a pussy
oh god yes my favorite
>>78451506
Quiet, anon. Crocker will hear you.
So is Joey older than Jude, or are they twins and Jude is just retarded like Jake
>>78451507
>>What is having good foresight
Good foresight isn't enough to prevent you from all the mess videogame development will brought. It was actually good foresight to listen to the advice of professional developpers who have already released game. They told him to go with 3D so he did. that they would fuck him over is not something any decent foresight could have prevented
>>What is having any knowledge about making a videogame and running a studio in Manhattan that would let you know you're going to run through your budget like that...
It's called experience. and everyone has to start somewhere.
this is literraly a case where you can't know the trouble you'll run into until you do.
>>78451412
I suspect that we each like Homestuck for different reasons. I have no desire to learn more lore about Grandpa Harley or young Mom because the last time that happened it totally ruined the mystique and the comic went to shit. I feel that unless Hussie works really hard to divorce this story from the main plotline of Homestuck, it's not going to be nearly as compelling as a truly original work and will end up being, at most, an interesting footnote in the Homestuck canon. It's like when they made the Star Wars prequels and ruined the original trilogy by carelessly canonizing random shit that makes a lot of the stuff in the original trilogy seem nonsensical.
Keep in mind, I don't particularly care that it makes logical sense for a character to be there, I only care that the story being told is well-written and has value above and beyond explaining backstory for the REAL story.
Of course, I also mentioned that I wouldn't mind a direct sequel involving the same characters, the reason for that being that it's more like a continuation of the real story rather than just some tacked-on lore.
>>78451424
i think hussie should start going off professional credentials instead of just picking people he knows
>>78451524
all his main characters sound just like him. bad at most storytelling skills. only good at doing funny jokes every so often
>>78451418
I am already here anon.It's 'cause I'm out of town at the moment.
>>78451418
but wonk is here
I wonder if anyone else aside from Jake, Jane and John had kids at some point in their grown up alt lives, even if they didn't raise them
>>78451485
>Anon, that is not possible. One of the biggest them in homestuck is how everything is connected.
well I'm of the opinion that you shouldn't let overused and simplistic themes ruin the potential of a good story
>>78436445
still looks good even though 2D now
>>78447582
Why would he be?
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>>78451424
ryan north and hussie are genius writers
>>78451574
Joey's older.
>>78451628
It's not going to be 'just' a side adventure or spinoff sempai. We already know that it's going to expand on the Homestuck universe in the way they original comic couldn't. Not everyone desires to learn about that Lore but for those of that do and are interested in those things, they can. For everyone else they can ignore it and let it be a pleasant mystery.
It's like Hivebent. We didn't NEED to see all that crap about the Trolls and Alternia that was a long winding detour, but it definitely gave us a unique experience.
>>78438936
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>>78451702
Because tumblr needs everyone to be trans for nonsensical reasons
>>78442587
ideally i'd imagine they'd change as you prototype your sprite
>>78451716
>Ryan a genius
>After completely missing the point of Le Meme Character Squirrel Girl
He's also a pretty anal prick, going off his responses to criticism. When has he ever written anything good that wasn't silly Dinosaur gag strips?
>>78440535
excuse him for thinking a company that has made games with popular writers before could have been trusted
fuck remember when the odd gentlemen fucked over Neil Gaiman? fucking what the hell
>>78451628
>. I have no desire to learn more lore about Grandpa Harley or young Mom because the last time that happened it totally ruined the mystique
B1 and B2 characters are different characters. B2 Roxy tunred out really cool. You also seems to have missed the point that Jake is a sort of human equivalent for Tavros, having a sort of self that turned out way better and having to live up to too big expectations.
>I feel that unless Hussie works really hard to divorce this story from the main plotline of Homestuck
This is exactly what is going to happens. Joey will be stuck on her own on Alternia with complety new trolls, trying to get home Grandpa and teen-mom are supporting characters that will be here only up until Joey get stuck on the other side.
> it's not going to be nearly as compelling as a truly original work as going to be Spin-off set in the homestuck universe.
>at most, an interesting footnote in the Homestuck canon.
How can you know?
> It's like when they made the Star Wars prequels and ruined the original trilogy by carelessly canonizing random shit that makes a lot of the stuff in the original trilogy seem nonsensical.
Except unlike Stars Wars, the universe has been set much more tightly than Star wars. SW worka lot with lose canon and seeing what will (or not) tick to the wall. HS is a different beast.
>s, the reason for that being that it's more like a continuation of the real story rather than just some tacked-on lore.
I personally feel this what the game will actually end up being like: a legit sequel to homestuck, but with the focus set on new characters.
>>78441233
it looks like a simple point and click adventure, all that matters is if it funny to say the least
>>78451697
>well I'm of the opinion that you shouldn't let overused and simplistic themes
Except that HS has made a very great and good use of that theme.
>>78451811
All we can do is pray kings quest crashes and burns so hard TOG never work again.
>>78451730
Hivebent isn't really a good comparison because it came at a time when Homestuck was still very much unfinished and can't really be seen as anything more than a change in perspective within the same story. My issue with Hiveswap is that when it comes out, Homestuck will already be over but it's still going to be latching onto all of these little things from Homestuck as a way of seeming relevant, but in reality it's not because, well, Homestuck already told its story.
>>78451873
Eh, it's pretty hit or miss in my opinion. There is some clever stuff but like I mentioned before, adhering so tightly to the "everything is connected" has resulted in some really dumb shit like Dancestors.
>>78451716
Ryan and Hussie are great writers.
They're not very good people.
I don't think I'd ever want share a beer with them or go dining or something, they seem kind of..obnoxious? Arrogant even.
>>78451037
most people who donated to the Kickstarter wanted a "Homestuck"game, as in includes trolls
not a sburb gamewe ain't getting that 48 squiddle session
>>78451937
Well it was meant to come out during Homestuck/before the ending. I imagine if what he had planned the content would sync up a lot better with the concluding parts of the story and enrich the experience for those going into that finale.
Obviously that didn't end up happening, but it's my take on it.
>Homestuck already told its story.
It's told 99% of it.
We've still got to wait for that 1% to be finished to make or break the comic.
>>78451735
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>>78451937
>has resulted in some really dumb shit like Dancestors.
Dancestors was fucling great, IMO. Especially Kankri. the break of expectation was a lot of fun. I don't know why some don't like them. it turned out with two new interesting characters and getting a good scope of what happenedin the A1 session while making really fun use of the other 10 characters. the contrast between what we knew of them in the A2 universe and how they really were in therir Beforus world was a good moment for homestuck.
>>78451961
I'm sure they're social retards, especially Hussie
>>78451937
>has resulted in some really dumb shit like Dancestors.
The B2 Trolls they weren't
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE0_eNIJuE8
But that was the pint of the joke. Taking serious shit and tuning them into joke and taking joke thing and turning them into something serious is another big theme of homestuck.
>>78451961
>Not wanting to go on an Olive Garden adventure with Hussie and North
>>78451961
Stuckup is the word you're looking for.
>>78450530
>It's just extremely convenient and lazy
That... that's literally all homestuck plot is. A bunch of lazy conveniences that hussie makes look like a thought out plan
Anyone wanna write a review of King's Quest and dish out some redpills? After seeing the game's current state, I am really pissed off.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/345390/
>>78452037
Hussie was able to milk some good jokes out of the Dancestors, I agree, but I feel like in general they had a negative impact on the story since most of them are totally ineffectual throwaway characters and some of them didn't even really have a good joke but we still had to spend time meeting all 12 of them anyway because everything is connected and you can't just introduce some of them.
It's pretty funny how Hussie ended up retracing his steps exactly with the Dancestors as he did with the trolls. At first he said "these characters won't be important" then "12 new characters would be too much don't you think" and finally "fuck it I've already made this many so I might as well go all the way"
>>78452045
Has anyone here ever met them at Cons before? Just curious.
>>78452106
The jokes several years old by now anon.
Besides, if I was forced to go with someone I'd rather go withBryonHussie andHussie Sr.They seemed like interesting guys.
>>78451937
>Homestuck already told its story.
not entirely, there's probably a lot more to the Game that's still a mystery. How was it made? What did the guardians know? How did they know?
I mean, what else would you make the story about if not related to the game? That's entirely what homestuck's about, and this is a homestuck game.
>>78452037
They're one-note parodies of either Tumblr or fan interpretations of their Alternian equivalents. There's nothing interesting or great about them.
>>78452161
Are you retarded? Theres no proof of them stealing money, or even using what hussie gave at all
>>78452135
Homestuck is the Bleach of Webcomics.
It's so contrived and insane that even the Asspulls look like plot twists. He's even admitted that he leaves a lot of details in there so he can retroactively look for things to connect. So everything looks like "Foreshadowing" regardless of whether or not he ever had that thing planned.
>>78452161
And give Homestuck fans a bad reputation as brats that just go posting whiny reviews? Pass.
>>78452168
>I'd rather go with Hussie Sr.
I have bad news for you...
>>78452175
Well we know how the game was made but more to the point, believe me, I would like nothing more than a spinoff that does nothing but focus on SBURB lore. But we probably won't get a lot of that in Hiveswap and even Hussie has said that he doesn't think it's important to explain all of the details of SBURB in order to tell the story he wants to tell.
Instead of SBURB lore we're going to get Homestuck lore and Homestuck character lore and that's what makes me groan.
>>78452204
They flat out admit they were given money to work on a game only that they just decided to quit working on it and switch to Kings Quest, on video.
Whether or not they Embezzled the money is another matter that we have no proof or much clarity into.
>>78452245
I know anon, I know ;-;.
But thanks to him I actually started studying Colour Theory to try to understand some of the mechanics and workings of his patent. Some reallllly interesting stuff there, I wasn't even aware Issac Newton invented the 6 color concept.
>>78452166
>but I feel like in general they had a negative impact on the story since most of them are totally ineffectual throwaway characters
That make their impact neutral. and I diasgree, they, at the very least managed oto convey to us how their session went on.
Beyond that, we got two interresting cxharacters out of it, meenah and Aranea, both having a great impact on the story that I woudl consider overal good, or at the ver least, , it was quite kicking ass.
>>78452316
The Dancesters were the Vizards of Homestuck. They're always gonna Job.
>>78452166
They didn't really have much of a negative impact. They were barely there and more or less served to characterization the original twelve trolls and the ancestors. Like, two of them have any relevance.
The real problem is that fandom seized on them, the worst characters especially, and now every fucking thing is Cronus and Kankri.
>it's 2d now
>Homestuck will end with Davekat as canon
>>78452205
>. He's even admitted that he leaves a lot of details in there so he can retroactively look for things to connect
That's the best part though.
>>78452316
I don't particularly like Meenah or Aranea or the plot twists in Act 6 in general though
I think the dancestors occasionally told funny jokes but I couldn't be compelled to give a crap about them.
>>78452417
Well Act 6 is nothing but a lot of fucking around doing nothing and I think that's its greatest detriment. The dancestors might not be actively bad characters but they are bad by being passive characters and we were obligated to meet them because once you pop you can't stop.
>>78452449
you mean davejade
>>78452497
who's jade
>>78452454
The Asspulls?
>>78452417
there's not uh
more to that is there
>>78452517
the best homestuck waifu
>>78452277
Not a good proof neither reason to complain. Dont expect us to waste time looking like angry teens
>>78452517
Plot device a cute!
Remember not to make another thread /hst/.
It'll just be us all disappointed and bitching about the flopped Kickstarter anyway.
>>78452520
Yes.
>>78452521
There is.
>>78452486
>Well Act 6 is nothing but a lot of fucking around doing nothing
The last acts maybe, but Act 6 has actually had quite a bit going on, simply by virtue of it being so damn huge.
>>78452517
A corpse that comes back to life sometimes when the author wants her to do something
>>78452563
but i like that
>>78452680
If this was updated now rose would be starving and Dave and John would be the fat ones l. Jade of course would be double dead
>>78452563
Don't worry, I'll dump Vriska art. I'm sure everyone would love that.
>>78452754
Nah rose would just be sleeping it off. You can't undevelop characters
>>78452782
Thanks to the retcon, Hussie found a way to do that.
>>78452166
They're barely characters involved with the story, but learning about them added a lot to the lore of the trolls in general and the game mechanics, with aspect exposition and stuff. I think it was necessary to shed some light on what happened in 1/4th of this two-universe creation chain because it would've driven me nuts otherwise. And he actually made it entertaining as heck imo so it was worth it. I loved wanting to punch Cronus or Kankri in the teeth, or cringing at Latula, it was like holy shit they're awful, it was great. And then it was just pretty funny throughout, and we got Aranea, Meenah, and meteor crew conversations out of it.
>I
>I JUST PUT A 2D WALKING CYCLE PAPERSEVERYWHERE MADE IN 5 MINUTES OVER CONCEPT ART WE ALREADY HAD
>AND
>AND THEY ATE IT UP
>FUCK MY FANS ARE RETARDS
>>78452853
IMO we would have been better off without an A1 in the first place. It wasn't really necessary for the story to involve two scratches and the dancestors ended up muddling the themes established by the ancestors.
>>78440651
>likes HPMOR and can see past the autistic MC
BROTHERRRR
>>78441579
I know you're probably false flagging, but the old project director and the current dev head (the black dude) actually work for local IGDAs
>>78453042
If either of you visit Less-Wrong.com I'm to have to split you sideways before spergs start to nerdgasm in this thread.
>>78452205
why does it matter when you plan something as long as it fits?
It's like how things happen in the story itself - characters find themselves having to make reasons for things that happened in the past to close loops and shit, and hussie does the same when making the story. Doing things retroactively doesn't inherently make it bad, it's just different.
>>78452782
And yet through vriskas retcon he did .
how much did you give for that game?
30 here. Shit sucks
>>78453539
100
>>78453539
post yfw 0
>>78453539
Man... I paid $180 for the BROPAK PRO. It really sucks too because I thought that I was buying collector's items that wouldn't be popular enough to end up in the store again, but here we are.
>>78453555
>>78453613
oh man, you got fucked so hard
>>78451507
homestuck had a donation box early on anon, same as problem sleuth, and sold books and merchandise while on it
it had ads on the website too
>>78452972
does paperseverywhere even do animation normally? i thought she just did illustrations
>>78439726
That doesn't mean TOG should've just taken the money and bailed either.
>>78453104
I only visit it to read Three Worlds Collide. I've checked the site itself once or twice and I don't believe any of it, but he's got a flair for writing.
>>78453707
Yeah, someone else does it normally
>>78453707
they literally have no animators, 2D or otherwise
this is worse than when they just had one programmer and one 3D animator
>>78453647
I'm the dude who payed 100. I really don't feel that. If it wasn't that it would have been more fast food or something
>>78453652
Those just covered Hussies living expenses, and he was already financially stable since before Problem Sleuth because of the patents and Muh New England wealth.
>>78452449
>Davekat
>Not Meenkat
Living hurts.
>>78452754
>john
>a developed character
idiot.
>>78436729
Silly anon, homestuck has no set style for anything.
>>78441006
They wasted a good voice cast on King's Quest as well.
>>78453539
One hundred and five dollarydoos
>>78454013
it was too SS for tumblr to handle
>Meenah will never get gently dominated by Porrim, who acts motherly to the usually unruly troll.
>It will never evolve into a mother/daughter fetish.
Why even live.
>>78454196
>Hussie will literally go for all the worst relationships for no reason whatsoever
>>78453024
The point of that was that your heroes aren't going to be like what you expected, and that it's pointless trying to live up to those fake standards.
>>78454332
that would have been a fine moral, except the dancestors and the actual ancestors are completely different and grew up in massively altered circumstances
>>78454053
Christopher Lloyd?
>>78454375
You're kind of missing the point. Assuming the narratives going with am ambiguous nature-nurture point, the Ancestors are kind of Bad End versions of the dancestors where they grow up in the worst possible circumstances. But they're still told to us through Mind-Fang's POV.
Mind Fang is Aranea's true self underneath, a vicious manipulative extravagant mind-rapist.
Cronus's true self is exactly like we see of his counterpart, vicious callous and cold. Not a laid back down to earth greaser guy at all.
Their essential nature is still there, but they're not what you'd expect because of those circumstances.
>>78454562
oh it's you again, the guy who thinks genetically identical people are the same character
fuck off my man, latula is nothing like redglare, meulin has fuck all to do with the disciple, and kankri is far removed from the sufferer
>>78454196
pormeen mother/daughter kink sexual moiraillegiance is the best, next to mom/son kink with kanaya/karkat
make a new thread, I'm not done you fuckers
>>78452449
i've never seen people so salty about a good ship in my life
>>78454562
what about, like, Latula
She seems more like a parody of Terezi than Redglare
>>78454734
>good ship
4/10 for effort
papers is an animator! she did the joey walkcycle
how fun is that!!!
>>78454760
that's a lot of points for effort considering im not trying to troll you
if i was trying to troll you you wouldn't even know, i'm far too good
>>78454819
>i'm far too good
You're doing it again!
>>78454819
crawl back into your tumblr hellhole
>>78441793
>alpha copy
but how? they're in the beta universe
>>78452276
>Well we know how the game was made
we do?
>>78454916
Skaianet got the game code from the Frog Temple.
>>78454916
he's only half right
we know how the trolls' instance of the game was programmed, by sollux, based on temple carvings that aradia found
but we do not know where it originated or how
but im sure it has something to do with bullshit loops
>>78454949
whenever a SBURB session is created it sends a frog temple to the appropriate planet and then the people on that planet find the temple and decipher the hieroglyphs to create an SBURB code
so yeah, it's a bullshit loop
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