Did the fanbase ruin Adventure Time?
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Did the fanbase ruin Adventure Time?
>>78293621
The show is still great. It's the threads on /co/ that are shit. Only /co/ has been ruined.
>noodle arms
>>78293621
nope, it fucked up itself
aslo:
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>>78293676
I thought the fans wanted lore? And that alot of people stopped watching cause of all the filler?
>>78293621
No, it just got stale and then Moynihan brought in his 2deep4u existential bullshit
>>78293621
No, the writers did.
>>78293621
No. I think everyone here is done with negative ass OPs like this one.
Someone post that pic of Marceline with her hands down her pants.
>>78293734
Do you defend New Simpsons too?
>>78293706
>>78293705
These are true to an extent
>>78293640
And this is true
>>78293734
This sounds right.
>>78293640
>The show is still great
>>78293621
No.
Even when "the fanbase" ruins a show, it's always the creators who choose to cave in instead of taking a hard "fuck you" stance and going through with their unpopular plan.
Or production.
The responsibility can't be attributed to the mindless barking masses, who have the right to mindlessly bark as loud as they want.
>>78293842
dumb frogposter
>>78293640
You are retarded.
It has a bad art style that got tiring quick.
It has annoying, bland characters that are never allowed to evolve past a certain point like Ash's pokemon.
Why anyone would still be watching this or Regular Show is absolutely beyond comprehension.
>>78293927
Only Finn and Jake aren't allowed to evolve past a certain point.
Marceline, Bubblegum, Flame Princess, heck, even Gunther have more positive development than them
>>78293621
Are those Norse runes on that mug? Neat.
>>78293621
Why couldn't the writers just collaborate with each other? Why did they all have to fuck off and do vastly different things which caused really bad shifts in tone and noticeable holes and declines in quality?
Who's idea was it to make all those 2deep episodes too? What purpose does that serve on a children's show about going on dumb adventures?
>>78293621
you did Tbh
Status quo ruined Adventure Time much more than any fanbase it has.
>>78294084
because they're probably autistic and can't handle basic interaction
>>78294084
Can someone give me an example of this 2deep4u shiz you keep going on about?
>>78293621
Shit went downhill when Fire princess, Fiona & Cake and Marceline & Simon story.
>>78294179
Most of season 6 desu, mostly comet.
>>78294179
All the Little People
Puhoy, for parts of it
BMO Lost's bubble/air character
Bad Timing, kind of
Sad Face
Breezy
Ocarina
Jake the Brick, but it was done acceptably and clearly
The Mountain
Walnuts & Rain
You Forgot your Floaties, but again acceptably because they spell it out
The 2deep4u episodes get more noticed when you're watching as a whole, and going through that episode list reminded me that there's actually just a fuckload of episodes with shit premises or ones with good ones that go nowhere.
No, but I'd say the lesbianism and shipping certainly did
>>78293961
So basically all the waifus and shitty characters (and even then I'm calling bullshit on you with Stakes).
Hey guys, did you know that the rock underneath Finn's house is ACTUALLY THE PRESIDENT OF THE WORLD WHO PUSHED THE BUTTON THAT LAUNCHED THE NUKE?? He totes plays the ukulele and his name is Bacon Nutella Cupcake.
>>78294179
there were several episodes focusing around a lemon creature that was fated to save all lemon creatures, instead of focusing on that it started focusing on how the lemon didnt really want to save anyone and wanted to run away and have fun adventures, while struggling with his conscience over it.
then a comet struck earth that brought a divinity that had come to talk to finn soul because finn soul was the reincarnation of another divinity that had struck the planet as a meteor.
>>78294347
what happened in those episodes, im not big on this show and I want to understand what made each one too deep.
>>78294378
Ice king has more development than him.
Never thought it was all that
It was a neat little show so when it got bigger it collapsed in on itself.
>>78294179
The entire show has instances of 'deep' or thought provoking philosophical situations. Later on they just became more frequent and less subtle. Early examples would be bringing dead candy people back to life or Neptr gaining sentience.
More recently, BMO had to deal with killing an evil sibling and the concept of growing up. The clusterfuck that was the comet or the astral projection episode are examples of them doing it entirely wrong.
>>78294407
Son I don't have the time to individually go through each episode. Here's a reply for u tho <3.
Just go read their wiki articles or look up clips.
Adventure Time really is crashing in popularity.
I went to my local anime/cartoon/merch store the other day, it had big tables full of Adventure Time shit on clearance prices because nobody is buying.
>>78294463
ok so they arent that deep, you just wanted to complain, noted.
>>78294456
that doesnt seem that bad, well the comet sounds pretty bad, but the killing an evil sibling for a robot thing seems normal?
>>78294420
Its why it has no business being put on the same level as Simpsons, Rugrats, etc.
Those shows flourished in SPITE of having good competition and plenty of other stuff to watch. (Spongebob doesn't really count for this, they routinely got their ass kicked by Fairly OddParents in the ratings until Hartman went full bible beater and fucked his shit up.)
Adventure Time flourished because there was literally nothing else. Korra was a massive disappointment and people turned to Adventure Time to give them an epic, world-building series, and could run away with the kids/teens/young adult audience, but go figure Pen and CN shit the bed.
>>78294520
It's like five years old now.
The young teens that were watching it when it first came out are the grown ass adults arguing like manchildren in AT threads today.
>>78294555
Most of the time they handle it pretty well, especially earlier in the show where they would do it subtly, or play off something serious for an offbeat joke before the credits. Other times like pic related they'd go straight into the absurd and surreal.
>>78294555
Fuck off nerd, go and watch those episodes
Did the fanbase ruin the show?
>Ni
Did the show ruin itself?
>No and yes. I got to old.
>>78294555
And here we see the average /co/ poster: doesn't want to watch what he criticizes/shills, demands to be spoonfed by other people and calls them buzzwords for not doing so.
I for one think season 3 and onwards was shit, with few good episodes sprinkled in it. But then I've met people who said it got better after season 3 and when there was more continuity and whatnot, so obviously people found different things to like about the show.
>>78294179
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tYflj8Tuj8
>>78295125
>calls them buzzwords
What buzzwords were used there?
>>78295125
>shill
>spoonfed
>buzzwords
congratulations on trying to complain about buzzwords by using buzzwords
>>78295177
I don't know, I still thought seasons 3 and 4 were pretty good. Not as good as the first two, but they managed to do something different without getting their heads too up their asses (although there were occasional moments).
>>78293734
Nah, all of /co/ was just done dealing with Autism Time's asinine relationships and DEEP LORE that went nowhere
Also, they realized the show was never actually good and was lolsorandum, but for teenagers instead of kids.
>>78293621
Whatever helps you sleep at night, Pen.
>>78295226
Sometimes it feels like they're trying so hard to be as philosophical as those 80s-90s animes.
The saddest part is they can't be as reflective and self-aware towards their philosophical views as they want to. They're nothing more than rich suburban kids with an easy going life trying to understand the hardships they never really went through.
>Adventure Time Studios, 3:30 AM
>A dark corner
>Pendleton Ward is scribbling away
>He has finished, at long last, the full story for the Adventure Time movie
>It's not perfect, nothing ever is, but it's as close to the memories of his tabletop games and comic books that motivated him to make that fateful pilot episode years ago
>The story is simple enough, Finn fights the Ice King to save Peebles, and then contends with the Lich. The structure is effective, but it's in the humor where the film truly shines
>Suddenly, the door to Pen's office bursts open
>He is blinded as light fills the room
>Jesse Moynihan, Steve Little, Somvilay Xayaphone, and even Rebecca Sugar walk into the office
>Pen has not heard from them in months
>He hasn't seen Rebecca for years
>"W-what's up, guys?", he asks, a mix of fear and hope in his voice
>"We heard you finished the movie, Pen.", Little says, an eerie smile on his face
>"We wanted to offer feedback.", Moynihan chips in
>Ward clenches his teeth. "There's- there's no need for that, guys."
>"Oh, I insist.", Jesse says, and snatches the 500 storyboards from Pen's hand as he takes out a bright red sharpie.
>"This is no good at all", Little snorts, as he crosses off a picture of the Gumball Guardians and replaces them with Betty.
>"This plot point is too direct. You need to be more experimental and philisophical with your ending.", Moynihan mutters as he tears the final story board of Finn killing the Lich into pieces.
>"I like this panel.", Rebecca Sugar says, as she holds up a picture of Finn kissing Princess Bubblegum as Marceline cheers them all.
>"But it would work even better if you switched Finn with Marceline, don't you agree?"
>"N-no I- I don't agr-" Pen starts to mutter.
>He is met not with glares, but looks of incredulity.
>"Y-yes, you're right.", Pen says
>"I- I just wanted an Adventure, but maybe... maybe that's not what kids want. Go ahead and make the changes.
>AND YOU COULD HAVE IT ALL
>MY EMPIRE OF DIRT
>>78293621
SJW agenda did it
>>78294384
Doesn't those lores really indicate the writers are out of ideas or something? Instead of introducing something fresh, they build lores on something frivolous.
>>78296130
Sugar made one ambiguous episode then spent the rest of her time fleshing out Simon and Marcy or Finn and FP. The boarders afterwards are the ones who went full retard with PB smelling shirts and Finn being a fucking chump. Sugar would more likely replace PB with FP rather than fuck Finn over like that.
But yeah. AT development in a nutshell.
>>78296130
just fat fuck my quick buck up
I can't believe The Moon is voiced by the same guy who voiced Jet from Cowboy Bebop.
>>78296130
It's not like classic AT story would be any better.
>Implying that watching a show with /a/ or /co/ dosen't vastly improve it
>>78293621
Sort of. The writers and storyboarders were too much in love with the concepts of the show. They made the show focus on different character rather than the main character to the point that the main characters actually had less backstory than the secondary or side characters.
>>78296432
Morituri Te Salutamus is actually an old AT favorite of mine. Wasn't expecting the Berserk reference in the form of an ancient and shriveled Guts.
>>78296078
>this.
It's like AT is setting itself up for something that mimics the anime genre of deconstruction. Like Madoka Magic turned dark out of nowhere, and be philosophical like Evangelion was near the end.
>>78297367
I still hate that this didn't go any where like having that golden sword and ice king's crown be part of a set of golden items that possesses the owners.
>>78293621
No. Adventure Time was always shit, the fans just made it worse
>>78297367
not everything is a reference webo
>>78293621
the show is good, i just think people got burned out because of the whole fp deal.
i mean, when the first fp episodes came out people got pretty fucking excited, and then when burning low came, with the kiss and shit, it fucking exploded. add to it the whole "impending arm loss" signs everywhere and people where pretty excited.
then the break up happened and they made finn go though an excessively long "recovery time" that felt like they threw a fucking bucket of cold water on the fandom and to boot they made finn into this weird sort of mopey guy and made less proper adventure episodes and the hype died down a lot. add to it that finn's dad was sorta disappointing and you get us what we have now.
the show's not bad and i still like it, the marceline special was pretty good but i think if they don't come back with more good episodes that aren't basically filler focusing on boring side characters, i feel the show might die.
the fanbase is half ok half pure autism, but at least it's nowhere as bad as fucking gemsonas or shit like bronies and sonic.
i never noticed this till just now but now that i have i like this episode even more
>>78297367
>>78297549
>everything needs to go somewhere
>>78297705
>fanbase dying means show dies
kids watch the show too
>>78294520
The fanbase is in college now and college students don't pay for shows if they keep up with TV at all.
>>78293621
mathematical was an inside job
>>78297939
i wasn't referring to the show dying on account of the fanbase, or at least the older part of it, dying as well, but rather because of the impression i've had with this season that the show lost a lot of stem.
all the better if i'm wrong, i still like the show so having more is good by me.
>>78298195
steam*
>>78297436
>>Madoka magica dark out of nowhere.
It was written by Urobuchi. It was always going to be dark.
>>78297436
i'd rather the show die than do what eva did and throw everything in the trash for pseudo-psychological bullshit and appearing deep.
>>78294347
>BMO Lost's bubble/air character
I'm a casual fan of AT but I thought the bubble character episode was beautifuly done. A elegant simple way to explain actual death, but still keeping it light with a happy ending.
I think that the whole wave of cartoons from 2011 is gradually dying out as it gradually gets old and loses it's charm
Why do people hate frost vs fire again?
>>78298348
>Kills FinnxFP.
>Turned Finn into the beta simp he is today.
Why do people like frost and fire again?
Outside of breezy, whats the most hated episode?
>>78293693
thats why i stopped. too much boring literally nothing happens episodes.
Everything Stays: Unless it's not about Finn
>>78298348
it was just a whole episode about finn being an asshole cause he got a boner.
>>78298586
>What people expected:
>Finn's relationship with FP grows. Both characters learn new things about each other contributing to their development
>Finn grows up in the show with his design changing as time went on
>Finn turns into a young adult hero that thrashes baddies with this elemental gf and magical dog
>What we got
>Relationship scrapped because the writers don't know how to write romance with Finn again (First time was young PB) unless it's Bubbline teasing
>Finn turns into a horny cunt and spirals into depression for an entire season
>Goes after PB again and gets shot down again
>Goes for Phoebe and gets shot down again
>Outshown by fucking Cinnamon Bun
>Shitty lost arm arc
>Shitty Martin arc
>Shitty Orgalorg arc
>Jesse's philosophy everywhere and implying all that shit would somehow fix his caracter
>Marceline becomes a better protagonist than Finn and more people now want see her life instead if his
>>78298809
Whats wrong with his legs?
>>78299651
>tumblr.gif
Guess.
Adventure time is still running? Where can it even go at this point?
>>78293773
If it pisses you off sure.
>>78295788
You just threw out so many buzzwords I just vomited in my mouth. Lets just try to derail this thread more because why the fuck not.
>>78299688
Ugh
Is that the fucking Attack on Tintin jacket
>>78297602
dude remember the 90's? I remember rugrats rocko's modern life spongebob ren and stimpy hey arnold doug catdog ed edd n eddy cow and chicken ect...
Those were the days, amirite? :^)
>>78294084
>What purpose does that serve on a children's show about going on dumb adventures?
>children's show
lol it may be marketed that way but everyone, creators and fans know that the show's real audience is hipsters and internet nerds.
>>78298809
>Shitty lost arm arc
In fairness, that wasnt shitty till he got it back in breezy.
The Tower was a fantastic episode.
>>78300133
This, I think they did a really good job with him trying to deal with having lost an arm.
Legitimately made me feel.
Until they randomly decided to give it back for no reason at all
>>78300198
>>78300133
>a tower of revenge
>>78300235
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUStzbORyLg
>>78297624
>One armed and one eyed swordsman with a bigass cool sword
>Storyboarded by a known weeaboo
>Not a chinese cartoon reference
I stopped watching after fp and cb became friends. Is it worth it to catch up?
Adventure Time is still great even if their space epic attempt fell flat. I love what you all call the "filler" eps where Adventure time slows down and focuses on the mundane. Or when they take a random background character and devote a whole episode to them.
they should just rush the ending already
make 4 more mini series about key characters and a finale mini series ala Stakes
>>78293621
it fell at it's own hands, now it's corpse is left to be ravaged by filthy shippers who don't really care for the outcome as long as they get what they want. people saying it's still good are delusional.
>>78300330
That's a bit of a stretch.
>>78293621
I think the new writers are just as retarded as the fans. I hate the writers a little more because they made bullshit ships official. They really should've ended it when Ward left and at this point it is only going to get worse unless they just end it.
>>78294347
Most of those are pretty good though, especially Walnuts and Rain and All the Little People. I didn't like either at first but I can easily see myself rewatching Jake the Brick and Sad Face.
>>78293621
I really couldn't get into Season 6 but I really liked Stakes and The Moe you Know was pretty good to.
>>78293640
>everyone else is wrong
the show was and still is shit in my opinion, but you are just stupid.
>>78294179
Compare Still with Astral Plane.
>>78293621
it was better when the mushroom war was just hidden background lore rather than something that's actually part of the history of the fucking show
>>78298308
>likes adventure time
>doesnt get evangelion
>>78301615
Dude, REMEMBER THE 90's!!!!! XDFucking kill yourself filthy nostalgiafag.
>>78301709
Why do you think this? I like the Mushroom Lore and how it plays into character development regarding Simon and Marcelene.
Season 6 was stupid it tried to be philosophical when it shouldn't have been. I remember you still hits me in the feels but I don't know one moment like that in Season 6
>>78301773
sounds like you are the one who didn't get the shitty ending if you bought into the retarded theories of other neckbeards online and the Anno-worshiping faggots of /a/, of which you are obviously part.
but hey, go ahead and tell me all about how "everyone's past is fucked and directly related to the complete wreck they all are" and half the cast having mommy/daddy issues or just being downright mental is great writing.
>inb4 you cite all side characters
i mean the part of the cast that matters.
>>78300198
The hard part for them is apparently breaking status quo, not creating good feels. Which is sad cus you'd think making simple changes to the show would be easier than emotional writing, but? They did the bulk of the work more or less ok -- Finn lost his arm and that was tragic and cool, and he went into a psychotic break to get over it and that was pretty cool too. It looked like he had successfully survived an amputation and was moving on. But then they chickened out at the thought of him looking like this >>78298809 forever.
>>78302065
>Finn gets all the philosophical bullshit pushed onto him as "development" in s6 while Marceline gets the fun arcs hounding bad guys in Varmints and Stakes
>>78293621
>fanbase
>ruining a show
I wish this would stop.
>>78300256
Just a good ep.
>>78302129
i think they might have regrown his arm for the sake of adventure. sure, he'd still be able to fight and stuff without it, he'd find a way Finn is, or at least was pretty tough, but it would limit things somewhat so maybe they didn't want that.
or maybe they ended up disliking the flower arm design and didn't want him like that forever.
i still think he would have recovered it sooner or later regardless, since he has the curse of the grass blade with him forever, remember. given what it could do when it grew before he lost it, maybe flower arm was just a temporary state until it recovered into a grass/tree arm. he does still have his thorn.
>>78301438
I think All the Little People is amazing but it's definitely 2deep garbage. The whole thing is a big multilayered metaphor, all just to get around censorship, which is honestly a waste of fucking time. it's just a well-executed example of a bad trend.
>>78302196
Don't forget she gets the girl too.
>>78302196
Season 6 was a shitshow. PB's brother episode was dumb, I hope season 7 is the last. They have the opportunity to wrap things up nicely, answer questions about what happen to humans and perhaps a final battle with the lich
>>78301344
my thoughts exactly, they're more prone to go along with what it's fanbase wants instead of following an original story line
It feels like they slowly starting to wrap up the series.
>>78302377
>maybe flower arm was just a temporary state until it recovered into a grass/tree arm
It was, yeah. The bare minimum they needed to do was have the grass arm as the permanent replacement and have it LOOK that way too. Just to show that something's changed, you know. This thing where it looks like nothing changed (except once a year when they want the sword to do something), is insulting.
But this begs the question why did they do anything of this in the first place? If the whole point was to give him a weapon he uses once a year, why with the amputation and the grief and the blah blah?
>>78297367
Calling fight king a Guts reference is a bit of a stretch man but what ever. Older Finn is more of a Guts reference than anything.
>>78293640
meagre teaser geezer :/
Banana Guard Academy was unexpectedly incredible and I 100% recommend it
to anybody who read it - what the fuck do you think was with those robots? Where did they come from and why were they set off by pepbut's 2deep4u simulation talk?
And aside from the mindfuckery in the last couple issues, it was really fun to read in general and had some pretty great characters for a miniseries
>>78302711
my guess is they're setting up for something. if there is one thing they're pretty good at in AT it's keeping track of details that might get forgotten otherwise, so if he's got that thorn it'll most certainly come into play sooner or later. perhaps they have a grassier arm in mind coming up, or a wood sword or something.
>>78303994
the comics and miniseries are pretty good as a whole, at least imo, but i hadn't seen that one yet, guess i'll give it a look soon.
>>78302644
whats this pic from?
>>78301276
He even has the crossbow on the arm like Guts.
t. not him
>>78304127
Graybles 1000+ aka Finn and Jake are fucking dead
>>78304630
Wasn't this from the Lemonhope episode?
>>78304630
>betty episode is a rushed mess
>even has a retarded flashback thing
>lemonshit gets a fucking half hour ep
>tfw all this bullshit will be in the movie which by itself is probably going to suck
>>78305228
Shoop this with Jesse holding the gun and Finn on the log and you have a good image
>>78305405
shut up Jesse, trashing yourself online isn't the way to fit in
>>78293621
to this day is still wonder if stand alones episodes and arcs could have co-existed in this show
>>78294355
Aye. Leaving it to the subtext searching shits to start shit.
>>78303994
root beer ghost was cool
>>78311239
wait are you implying the comic about RBG acknowledged that he was killed off?
>>78305228
I feel like this needs to be reworked into some kind of anti-zootopia image.
>>78298403
Red Throne or the Comet, though I don't think Comet was as bad as Throne and Breezy.
Yeah it was shitty and nothing happened but if you were expecting otherwise 6 seasons in you were kind of asking for it.
>>78297367
That's a fucking great episode and one of Sugar's underrated bests but I'm not seeing the Guts reference.
>>78311502
yeah, it was actually a pretty big part of the plot
>>78293640
>The show is still great
>>78311866
fuck you AT. I thought that comic was supposed to be safe from the show's bullshit.
>>78311929
Don't be a whiner over nothing anon, the comic takes stuff from the show sometimes.
It's not like it'll fuck things over since a comic that only runs for 6 issues kind of has to finish what it starts unlike the show proper that will keep pushing half baked plot threads into the future forever till it gets canceled.
>Sugar leaves to work on SU
>Ward leaves
>Show goes to shit
It was inevitable.
>>78298809
>What people expected:
Kek, really? Somebody expected this thing to end good? Did they start watching AT from that season or what?
>>78302711
The thing is that they are afraid of any changes in Finn's design, probably due to merch stuff, which nobody buys anyway, as somebody said earlier. So we are stuck with Finn looking the same in his 12 and 17. Fucking shame.
>Did the fanbase ruin Adventure Time?
It's hard to say. You could say they did, but you could also blame writers for pandering to those elements of the fanbase. You know the elements I mean.
>>78298809
>Marceline becomes a better protagonist than Finn and more people now want see her life instead if his
She's not a "better protagonist", people have always really wanted to see more of her because she's a hot girl character with a neat design and backstory that never got much screentime. Now they finally do this one thing with her with the miniseries and you all whine that she's somehow replaced Finn, it's ridiculous
>>78311929
but I enjoyed what it added to the story, and I thought it was cool to see the show's events show up in the comics
>>78312882
Are you implying that the shipping aspect is what ruined AT? because that's the least of it's problems. It's not even a problem, who cares. That's the only thing I can think you could imagine they are "pandering" to. Because who are they pandering to by making confusing and unsatisfying plots, dull dialogue, and shitty character development?
>>78313609
You're ridiculous and shut the fuck up. The fact that the writers alone collaborated for once to give Marceline a good arc for 8 episodes while they stumble around for his 3 arcs last season is horseshit.
>>78302757
>>78311855
Missing the same eye and hand.
Crossbow on hand.
Dagger belt and boot dagger.
It's pretty distinct actually.
>>78313769
My god you guys act like babies when it comes to Finn
Those moments where the show would sip into surrealism and philosophy were part of what made the show so appealing and unique. Lately it feels like they are just trying way to hard. I still like it tho.
>>78293621
The lack of a boy Finn's age ruined the show
>>78313927
No you're acting like an inconsiderate asshat who thinks his opinion is God and reigns above everyone you asshat
>>78304812
>>betty episode is a rushed mess
>>78301962
Nowhere i mentioned nostalgia.
You don't know how to read?
AT is still alright
but I think most people can agree that season 4 and the beginning of season 5 were the peak of AT
5 and 6 were a weak point but 7 has brought back some interest with Stakes
>>78293621
Fanbases can't ruin shit. Only the writers and the executives have the power to do that.
>>78315769
Way too early to judge season 7
>>78314179
Nice baby tantrum, baby
Maybe the reason my opinion seems so high and mighty to you is because it hit the mark and that makes you mad?
>>78317126
No. Your point is only high and mighty because you're full of shit and can't see bad characterization.
I am pretty sure it got better. The ending of Season 6, Stakes and Moe were great.
>>78315769
Season 5 was shit people only liked because of the hype, as it actually is it was trashy.
The end of season 4 was by far the most excited the fanbase has ever been but that don't mean it was the peak man.
>>78319925
The Lich should have been the finale. Cut if off right at the peak of excitement, then nobody would ever have to know how it turned out.
>>78315769
>6 were a weak point
Second half was quite fun actually, except for Comet maybe. And Water Park, this shit was a pain to look at.
>On the Lam
>Hoots
>Jermaine
>Walnuts and Rain
>Dark Purple
Though the last one made me realize, that this fembrute is hella annoying.
>>78293621
Adventure Time ruined Adventure Time.
>>78322576
This.
>>78293621
The writers got too cocky. The show used to have a really modest sense of humor.
>>78293621
I've been binge-watching it and I honestly don't see why there are so many complaints. I'm enjoying it. Halfway through S6 right now, there's really nothing I haven't liked other than how they handled FP.
And I don't mean Frost and Fire, because people act like that was the ONE instance that ruined the rest of the series. What actually ruined the FP romance was how they treated it after Frost and Fire. There was potential for growth there. Instead, we got fucking Cinnamon Bun out of nowhere for no reason.
Even then, I think the story has potential. Not every romance has to be a success. I actually kind of appreciate the writers for putting Finn through a failed romance, even though it's an unpopular decision. I still wish they had handled it better, though, and I really wish they hadn't thrust CB in there for no reason.
Otherwise, I seriously have no issues with the series. Unless it gets seriously shitty in the next 30 episodes, I think it was all handled pretty well.
>>78319925
well by beginning of season 5 I really just mean the first two episodes
"Finn the Human" and "Jake the Dog" were some of the best episodes in the whole series
Just watched this. Jesus christ what a clusterfuck
>>78295226
His dad is the only character I like on the show, just sees all the bullshit gayness finns life is and goes fuck this im out.
no,Finn and Jake ruined Adventure Time
>>78324713
>I actually kind of appreciate the writers for putting Finn through a failed romance
It might be ballsy in some other show, but these writers only did it to kill an unwanted plot thread and make their jobs easier. There's nothing wrong with a romance that doesn't fail, but they immediately write that off as unrealistic or cliche. And so we get nothing at all.
>>78325876
but Marceline will save it
>>78325898
Oh yeah, that's why they bothered to go through like half a season with Finn moping about it, as well as a few closure episodes. Because they were trying to get RID of a plot thread. I see.
I don't know. Maybe they were just trying to get rid of a pesky plot line, but that doesn't matter. Death of the author. The end result is something which had its own merits, and which contributed to the story, but which I feel ultimately wasn't handled as well as it could have been. The authors' intentions have nothing to do with it.
>>78326039
You can eat shit if you think Finn;s bad romance arcs benefited him in the end
>>78325946
>Mess up Finn and Jake in the first place
>Trying to rely on Marceline fans to save face
>>78296078
>They're nothing more than rich suburban kids with an easy going life trying to understand the hardships they never really went through
This explains the entire animation industry in our modern times. There's no sense of insight or innovation; animators were born as middle-class yuppies, and will die that way. Any sort of "depth" they impose is merely regurgitated from the media they consumed as a child (mostly anime and best-selling novels). Nepotism and hiveminds dominate the scene, to the point where any genuinely creative ideas are shunned for a more "politically correct" view.
These are the type of hacks that people claim are giving animation merit; but no, it couldn't be farther from the truth. If anything, the amount of new-age hipsters polluting industry with their bullcrap could actually be a detriment to animation's growth as a respectable art form. There's more to art than slapping a punch of psuedo-intellectual dabble and calling it a day. Cartoon Network has especially been plagued by this train of thought.
I know I'm talking about a network for children, but that in of itself is a problem. Cartoons should stop being fucking restricted to children. No wonder standards have been lowered to this extent. It seems the two main factors for creating cartoons are either that, or corporate greed. It's been going on since the 60s (with the exception here and there), and it's not getting better any time soon. Adventure Time is one of the worst examples. How I loathe this fucking show. The first three or four seasons were alright; but just look at that garbage in the video. Should kids really be exposed to such soulless, uninspired dreck? But knowing where I am, I'm sure some people will defend it. After all, it's better than getting another "Ren & Stimpy" pastiche!
Animation is fucked.
>>78326039
Finn moping about here and there was a bare minimum way to resolve it. Enough effort to make it look like they care about Finn's growth, but not enough effort to really benefit him.
Maintaining his relationship with FP would have been much harder, but more rewarding. Pretty sure that was Becky's original plan.
>>78326515
>Enough effort to make it look like they care about Finn's growth
Why do they care? It's a fucking cartoon. They could have had FP break up with him and then have him be okay with it the very next episode, if they really are these fiends of laziness conspiring to make the cartoon as unsatisfying as possible.
They clearly cared enough to actually try and make it worth something to the characters that Finn and FP broke up.
And Finn and FP as portrayed seriously had no chemistry. It was a cute puppy love, and it taught both of them a lot of stuff, but anyone with eyes could see that they weren't even close to right for one another. Maybe it could have developed into something better, but I seriously don't think it was built to last.
And that's exactly what happened in the show. It didn't last. Finn got horny, he started doing stuff behind FP's back, and he showed that he really didn't "get" her emotionally at all. People say that that was a moment of jumping the shark, but all I can see it as is a natural progression of what had always been a pretty shallow relationship. If it hadn't been the fire crotch and the owl dreams, it would have been something else in the future.
Not every relationship works out. FP and Finn had fun, they learned a lot, but that's all it really was. While I think that the circumstances around their breakup and the consequences afterwards were a bit contrived, I don't think that if they hadn't happened, FP and Finn would still be going strong.
>>78326464
Do you want it to be like anime where overpriced Blu-rays are major factor to a show's success?
>>78327178
I hate that fucking "muh realism" shield you faggots hide behind. Like it justifies the shitty writing
>>78327178
Finn needs someone that is stable. All his romances were bad. Or maybe in the end he'll be devoted to adventures only?
>>78327787
That's seriously all you've got to counter with? "muh realism" and "the writing is shit"?
Hey, bro, the word "realism" doesn't even appear in that post. You're the one who brought it up. Maybe you should actually learn to read before projecting that hard. And "the writing is shit" is seriously not even your opinion, it's an assertion you don't even bother to follow up on.
I don't think that I'm the one hiding behind the concept of realism. It really seems more like you are, because without it your argument for why the writing is bad is "the writing is bad".
>>78327178
>anyone with eyes could see that they weren't even close to right for one another
It's arbitrary tho. It's fiction, so it could have been written another way just the same. They had no chemistry because the writers (except for one) were apathetic about the relationship in the first place. Self-fulfilling prophecy brah.
>but all I can see it as is a natural progression of what had always been a pretty shallow relationship.
I can agree with that, but only because they had already set Finn up as so uncontrollably horny he loses his natural common sense and does otherwise OOC shit.
Also, alternatively, they never did anything to make those two physically compatible. A big part of the problem, I assume, was Finn's frustration at his inability to touch his own girlfriend. He's frustrated and naive more than he is a genuine sociopathic pervert, but they'd rather he just fuck up than get experience that prevents future fuckups.
>>78327798
>Or maybe in the end he'll be devoted to adventures only?
All that work just to go back to season 1?
>>78328054
>Self-fulfilling prophecy brah.
I can agree in some ways, but there just really wasn't much to work with in the first place. Finn was into FP just from seeing her, that's the basis for his side of the relationship. FP was into Finn just because she was happy to have someone who was in love with her. They could have had more episodes, it's true, but they just weren't in a relationship for the right reasons and they weren't the right people to be in a relationship.
>they'd rather he just fuck up than get experience that prevents future fuckups.
I don't know, they were getting around the issue. I think that they tried their hardest, but the two just weren't right for each other.
I guess that there's always been a pretty big plot hole in Flame Shield existing and Cinnamon Bun having it perma-on, but Finn never having had it cast on him period.
>>78328292
Finn should end up with Marceline. She's perfect for him. PB is too crazy and having a new love interest will be too much for the writers.
>>78327919
I could legit see this happening.
>>78327919
FP's been on the show for nearly 3 years now and they still haven't had her interact with Marcy.
It's like they want her to be as boring as possible on purpose.
>>78328633
they might do it, but the only purpose for it will be to make Bubblegum pissed off that her best friend is hanging out with her enemy and not her.
>>78328292
>Finn was into FP just from seeing her, that's the basis for his side of the relationship. FP was into Finn just because she was happy to have someone who was in love with her.
You make it sound like that's rare. Many (most?) couples get together for shallow reasons and then develop a relationship to support that. To imply it has to be "something more" from the getgo is kinda missing the point of romance imo -- you want to see the lovers create a bond.
>they were getting around the issue.
heh, whatever they were doing clearly wasn't enough for Finn. Can't blame him. Poor kid shouldn't be condemned to a life of aluminum foil hugs.
>never having had it cast on him period.
Some staff member said you can't feel anything with flame shield on, like you're numb. Yep, they really didn't want that kid to get any.
>>78328755
>To imply it has to be "something more" from the getgo is kinda missing the point of romance imo -- you want to see the lovers create a bond.
It's not like I'm saying that you should be perfectly compatible with a person before the relationship even starts, but they really had no common ground. I'm saying that it's not exactly the writers' faults that the relationship didn't have any room to grow. It's not like they had anything in common to begin with.
>>78328051
I see "muh realism" in your post because you said it was "puppy love" and "not every relationship works out". I can also infer that you likely enjoyed most of Jesse's stuff in Season 6. That's fine by me, but this is the second time they've done this plot/arc and dropped the ball with it. Three times if you count Roselinen with the first being young Bubblegum. They scrapped both PB and FP because they didn't know what to do with them with Finn.
Finn's REALISTIC human instincts caused the breakup in the first place. And yes, I can see puberty playing apart of the episode, but when All the Little People airs wayyyyyy before Frost and Fire about this kind of shit it makes the writers look disorganized and lazy.
Now, if AtLP aired AFTER Frost and Fire it would've been immensely better for Finn's character for he realized the mistake of manipulating others (like he'd do it in the first place because of his righteous hero heart. Like Spongebob is with being naive, but kind to everyone no matter the situation). The lost arm arc could have made the REALISTIC thing of being handicapped into great development, said arm is taken back in 6 or so episodes. They just give him a thorn to bring it back whenever they feel like it. That's. Fucking. LAZY. As. Shit. If Sugar stayed on the show you know damn well she would've fleshed them out more as time went on. However, she saw her own window of opportunity and jumped ship to make Steven Universe. The writers over at AT didn't know what the fuck to do in the long run, so they cut it off.
Oralorg was rushed. Betty was rushed. The hiatus sure as fuck didn't help. Stakes was good up until that ending. It's like the sports team you root for that builds up your expectations then flops and chokes in the first round of the playoffs.
>>78328856
The desire to be good was possible common ground. She wanted to resist her father's call to evil, and he wanted to teach her how. The idea was there, even though it wasn't pursued at all.
Also, they both liked adventure right? That thing in Vault of Bones were they had different adventuring styles or whatever was straight up bullshit. They finally went on an adventure and it was a total drag, even though it didn't need to be.
Even without that shit though. Is a shallow relationship really so wrong? He thought she washot, and she thought he was good company. Just because they're 15 and we know it won't last, that doesn't mean it had to explode like the Hindenburg. They shoulda just fooled around more, like kids should.
>>78328922
>HEY COLE, YOU READ ALL THAT?
>>78329217
I'll give you an F5 jabroni
>>78296952
It didn't need to be, it was just literally adventures you hack.
>>78293621
I wish I had arrived earlier before the shit storm hit but yeah, the general consensus that most people agree on and have already said is that it's all on the shoulder's of the writers. The fans being the horrible fucking scum they are play into the picture as well, but mostly it's the shitty staff over there, they ruined Adventure Time.
And this was to be expected, not because of it's near six year run, or the lack of ideas, but just the sheer amount of stupid decisions made on the behave of the production and writing crew. The elements of Adventure Time has just jumped the fucking shark at this moment in time, it lacks consistency, do's and don'ts of an episode, narrative, etc. to the point where it's just embarrassing to still be a fan of this bullshit. Adventure Time hasn't impressed me in a LONG time, and I doubt it'll ever have that same amount of magic as when I viewed it as a fourteen year-old.
>>78293621
Adventure time was a mistake, it's nothing but trash.
-Pendelton 'fat fuck makes big bux' Ward
>>78294084
2deep4u shit is fine. It's the feelz shit and the relationshit that is unwelcome. At least the 2deep4u fits with the adventurous tone.
I hate the modern AT fan. I'm glad they encouraged the show to fuck itself so hard it has no audience any more. Stoners don't like it and nor do kids. All it has is tumblr now. Better double down on the faggotry. Stakes homoshit and forgetting who the main characters were is only the start.
>>78293640
Agreed
>>78326464
John K pls
Bunch of dramatic babies
I can't wait for the show that you are all going to write together, since you all know so much about writing and character building and whatever
It just seems like you are all so butt hurt that this site didn't end up the way you personally wanted it to go
I think where the show would lose me at times was at the really weird parts. Sometimes someone would perl over my solder to se what I was watching and it was always at a really weird part, and there was really no way to defend the show from things like that
For example the episode with pb's brother
>>78293621
I think it was the writing after the lich
I don't know after the lich episode I was expecting more quality stuff. I mean I watched a couple filler episodes afterwards but man I didn't last long. I felt like sometimes they were moving forwards, but they always stepped back at any instance of moving forward.
>>78334882
You're more butthurt than anyone else here anon.
The show doesn't need people like you defending it from all those big mean bullies on 4chan, it's a big boy and can stand up for itself.
>>78334914
Oh sorry I forgot bashing the show is the only thing we are allowed to do
>>78334991
State your business all you want but don't look down on others for doing the same.
>>78335013
W-what, have you read through this thread?
>>78335035Kind of, and most people seem to be giving explanations behind their reasoning.
>>78293621
This gif is strangely satisfying, yet aggravating at the same time. Why even take a bite and then shove the rest of the sandwich into your mouth before you've even swallowed?
>>78335154
Finn's trying to show proper table manners but his lust for food ends up overwhelming his sense.
He's gotta be at least a little feral what with being raised by dogs and all.
AT is going to be stuck ij limbo forever, not really sure what it wants to be. I think this is poignant because it used to have such a firm sense of identity.
Recurring characters work better in sshows with character development. If you build.your world.without building hour characters, it just feels.empty.
Storyboarding got fucking lazy. Everything is so stiff and on model. Those season 1 episodes were fucking art. They were just noodly.doodles so they made sure to use the hell.out of those joodly doodles. New episodes aremso dry and cynical.
>>78334882
>LETS SEE YOU MAKE YOUR OWN CARTOON THEN HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?
Okay Alex Hirsch.
A lot of people have come to the conclusion that this show is terrible now. It didn't come after one episode or moment for most people, it was a gradual thing, but constant disappointing resolutions and a shift of focus away from key elements is what drove most people off.
I quit being a full time watcher of this shit back around the Princess Bubblegum breaks to pieces arc actually. How anyone could not see what the show was heading to right there, status quo and lack of risk taking, they must simply be too young to remember this happening to other cartoons (Dexter's Lab and FoP were also frustrating offenders I can remember, but they weren't trying to be an "epic story" like this). Felt like the fanboyism for this cartoon spun out of control around 2012 or so. People were being outright banned for criticizing the show because of superfans being promoted to mod. The show headed into that godawful love triangle arc, as did Regular Show (when they weren't spamming a Muscle Man episode every five minutes), what a bad time for /co/ that was.
I don't think you should get so invested in what people think. This cartoon's time came and went. Even if Pen Ward threw off the SJW yoke that covers him now and somehow created a groundbreaking set of episodes that utterly bedazzles /co/ I doubt it will ever achieve the same level of popularity it once had.
>>78293621
>>78293621
Sort of, the issue is more that the writers listened to the fans. Fans can say any amount of asinine shit, if the writers don't listen it doesn't impact the show.
Oh wow, so this is /co/ discussion.
No thanks, faggots.
>>78293621
it says, "CUP OF MANY ALE"
>>78335385
You sure showed them, anon.
>>78335418
You're welcome.
>>78322872
the show used to be hilarious then lore and continuity went in and it looked promising but the lack of agreement and communication from the staff ruined everything.everything stays and if it changes it changes for the worst.
fanbases dont ruin franchises, creators/owners of those franchises letting them be influenced by fanbases ruin franchises. blame the people behind the IP, not the fanbase.
the show was never good to begin with. despite being named "Adventure Time" they stay relatively in the same area and have a home, that's not what a real adventure is all about. Goku didn't return home after every episode in the original Dragon Ball, that's what made it a real adventure. Adventure time is something only a tasteless child would like
>>78335959
Adventures aren't adventures unless you travel a really far distance?
You're dumb holmes.
>>78335973
Yeah, it's about finding were you belong, and not looking back until you have accomplished your journey. That's why FMA was so good, they even enjoyed the journey along the way despite having no where to go back to, and was disheartened by the thought of the journey ending/having a home.
>>78335959
>>78336006
Fuck of weeaboo
>>78336061
>fuck of
>implying adventure time is better than any anime
The only show on CN nowadays that was any bit of good was Regular Show. Adventure time is worse than pleb tier. Honestly, it was childish to begin with and now they have all these sjw themes. It's gay af and they talk like faggot hipsters that I desperately want to punch in the face.
>>78293621
FINN AS FINN LMAO
>>78336462
LOOK FINN'S A NIGGER
NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER
>>78336462
Now needs Princess Bubblegum as Princess Leia.
Or at least in Leia's slavegirl outfit.
>>78324977
>tfw cried a little at the end of part 2
>>78294084
>Why couldn't the writers just collaborate with each other?
This was the real problem, letting the writers do whatever they wanted worked during the first few seasons because they were working with relatively blank slates, but when they started experimenting with continuity that model proved to be detrimental for the overall quality of the show, especially since no one knew how to write characters after Sugar left. That's why shows with a particular person in charge to control all the writers have handled continuity and consistency much better (e.g. Gravity Falls, and Steven Universe).
>>78336479
50 YEARS AGO WE'D HAVE YOU UPSIDE DOWN
>>78293640
I popped into this thread and wondered what the first reply would be. Thanks for proving my suspicion on how retarded some people can be.
>>78326464
>>78296078
Lmfao, holy shit, I wish you people could hear yourselves. You're essentially mirroring the check your privilege crowd.
I am fine with AT. The writing and animation is very hit or miss, but it "philosophizing" doesn't bother me at all, it reflects on life, the human experience, and you can't just discount it because the writers aren't from sub-Saharan Africa or something. It's plenty authentic, but when retards are determined not to like it...well, what can you really do. Other than call them retarded.
>>78337518
>but when retards are determined not to like it...well, what can you really do. Other than call them retarded.
Yeah, no. This is some fine shilling.
>>78337518
Pretty much. The show got popular, especially with Reddit/Tumblr so now /co/ has to hate it. The same thing happened to Rick & Morty.
>>78337689
Shills everywhere mang
>>78294179The lamp
Speaking as a near complete outsider that only ever saw the pilot and decided the show wasn't for me, the vibe I get from the occasional post here an the internet in general is that the show stopped being about "adventure" and more about waifu-wars and possibly also lesbians?
I dunno who's to blame for that, the creators or the fanbase, but those cases it's usually both.
>>78293621
Not directly; but the ever expanding demographics list sort of scrambled the show's priorities and caused it to sorta crash during S5, as well as Ward to all but leave and Muto to get overextended like a piece of taffy, causing quality control to suffer.
>>78328514
why would you wanna change the great bro relationship they have already
>>78341178
I'd take him desu. Pussy ass writers
>>78341178
They never freaking hang out, ever.
I'd go for anything that allowed Finn and Marceline to have a fucking conversation again, the stuff we got in Stakes was like tossing some crumbs to a dog that starved to death two years ago.
>>78341267
he's mine, ho
>>78293621
prolly
>>78341178
The show will pretend they are friends once in a blue moon, but that doesn't mean they have a good bro relationship. Normally it's like Marcy issued Finn a restraining order. I would prefer a romance over that.
>>78341331
>the stuff we got in Stakes was like tossing some crumbs to a dog that starved to death two years ago
I can't take this pain anymore
>>78293705
does anyone still have the comic of jesse moynihan at a coffee shop? that was good.
>>78328514
As much as I'd love to sink Bubbiline with no survivors, Marcy is too much cool older friend to have the relationship with Finn. Though, I could see her ultimately ditch being a vampire to at least die with him.
>>78337518
Okay, but here's the thing: the philosophy shit crammed into Adventure Time (particularly season 6), is not authentic. This isn't Jesse M. giving genuine words of wisdom, anyone with half a brain could realize he's clearly channeling the likes of stuff like Neon Genesis Evangelion, desperately attempting to imitate that "spark". What's ironic is that there really was no "spark" ever. NGE was and always will be too pretentious and Gothic to be taken seriously (it was written by a depressive man, after all). It seems more like a bunch of college-aged hipsters, trying to jerk each other's ideas off. It's pathetic, that's all.
I could go further as to how that episode, or hell even SCENE, is an embodiment with a lot of the problems the animation industry is suffering from today. But that's another story for another time.
>>78341361
>>78341361
Step off, fagbag. You wouldn't be able to care for him like I would anyways
>>78341683
>Though, I could see her ultimately ditch being a vampire to at least die with him.
Her only chance to was in stakes, but we all know how that went. Now all that's left is to develop Bubbline and make a shoddy attempt at making Finn and Jake competent and mature.
I see a lot of people saying "don't blame the fanbase, blame the writers who were influenced by the fanbase". But what was influenced by the fanbase aside from possibly the pb/marcy stuff?
>>78342148
Continuity, I guess. Pressure to elaborate on past things (which they don't have to cave to, but they do).
>when is X character coming back?!
>I predict Y event will happen, am I right??
Also I think they often go out of their way to do shit that has never been mentioned by fans, to surprise us. They think that makes the show more exciting but it just makes the plot nonsensical with everything coming out of left field. Any reasonable plot twist is easily predicted by the internet, but that is ok.
>>78296130
I read all the voices as Ice King.
It fit
>>78342044
>You wouldn't be able to care for him like I would
I'll take him on Thursdays. Give you a little break from your 'hard work'. Fite me, slut.
>>78342372
I'll fight you to the death hussy.
>>78342165
I'm not sure if this was a joke or they didn't wanna be touched or what. Why put that there man they're supposed to all be great friends but then they shove him aside like he doesn't have any credentials to be near them.
>>78342476
I guess it's a joke. I don't wanna meet the people who put it in the episode and laughed.
iirc a writer mentioned how when Finn said "and I still love Flame Princess" at the end of The Pit, the whole room cracked up. so funny, that kid tryin to fit in and not be lonely. so funny...
>>78342476
I think steve and/or tom think making finn look like a dweeb is funny
>>78342638
yeah I've noticed Finn is especially lapdog/slavelike in Tom and Steve eps. and PB is portrayed as his mother or teacher, the shining beacon of girl power.
>>78343369
But then you have the new writers they hired to bring the girl power out in PB/Marcy/female characters while Finn gets reduced to comedic relief/whatever the person writer in rotation wants him to be. That's inconsistent as fuck considering the wanted him to be more mature last season.
Ya can't just play ping pong with his characterization and expect everyone to go along with it. Or am I looking too deep into his?
>>78343428
>am I looking too deep into his?
Nah, they're fucking hacks so they will play as much ping pong as they want.
And him being pathetic fits right into the girl power agenda the newer ones were hired to bring, so we will be seeing more of that probably
>>78343519
Man I'm in no way shape or form an MRA. I just want him to stop tripping over himself and get a happy life, get great at sword fighting and hopefully use his grass arm.
Why is it so hard to do those things? They made Bubblegum a badass awesome fighter chick in one episode of stakes. Why keep Finn down in the dumps and not use his righteous hero abilities to kick ass too and make a power trio with Marceline?
>>78343428
>wanted him to be more mature last season.
Did they? The only one who matured is BMO, kek. I wonder, from whom they or their managers take feedback? You can't take it from Tumblr, because it's the definition of vocal minority. /co/ hates everything except porn and violence and aren't TA anyway. What else? Comic-Con? Reddit?
>>78343681
I'm not one of those guys who blames all the problems AT has on Tumblr or Reddit or here either. I just want to know what was going through their minds when they make scenes >>78342165 because nobody would fucking enjoy that except shippers and people who already dislike Finn. They keep parroting on about Finn growing up but then he regresses into a childlike state or something stunting his development. Have him stand up to Bubblegum for once instead of following every order like a drone, let him be a good match for Rattleballs when sword fighting and let his emotions flow freely and stop making him bottle his feelings up for Christ's sake!
I love me some AT but s5.2 and 6 just sucked the life outta me man
>>78343954
>stop making him bottle his feelings
But anon, feelings are for women and children. Every time Finn shrugs in utter apathy, he is one step closer to maturity.
>>78341961
its a children's cartoon you sperg
it's not meant to be taken very seriously
>>78293621
The fanbase ruins many shows. AT was the first.
>>78342638
I remember on one of the Conversation Parade interviews Steve Wolfhard was there and he talked about how at first when he was working on the show he thought Finn was really boring and didn't like writing him, so he would always portray Finn as being kind of clumsy and dumb and annoying in his episodes.
He did later go on to say that he had changed that as he got more settled into the character but it seems like that's not the entire truth.
>>78343624
>Why keep Finn down in the dumps
They work so damn hard at it, I assume they're patting themselves on the back - they took the hard road and emphasized the main character's flaws the most. That is, he's a human and humans are weak. (Also he's a male and males are weak. I'm not sure how intentional this part of their narrative is, but obviously it's there.)
It's funny because at the same time PB has become a Mary Sue. She's being written on easy-mode.
>>78344267
I hate that guy. Everything he's introduced to the AT canon has been so fucking gay.
>>78343954
I'm a big pb/marcy shipper and I didn't like that scene because it's fucking mean and proved to everyone that they can't handle Finn or his friendships with the girls in a mature way. It just gives people more fuel to be mad about the ship too
I love Finn, he's why I started watching AT. Back when I was a teenager and was looking for adventure and optimism to pull me out of depression, this show came along like a godsend. Finn with his fearlessness and the attitude of seeking fun and enjoying life wherever you go was like a beacon of light at the time. He was what I wanted to be like. I get that you become more chill as you get older and wiser, but I wish the writers wouldn't mock him like this
>>78293621
Adventure Time was originally powered by good old-fashioned manchild testosterone. It was good.
Adventure Time is now powered by awkward pubescent testosterone. This is not good.
That's it.
>>78344504
Graybles 1000+ was really good imo but that's about the only thing he's done that I liked.
>>78344616
It's a shame the writers equate wisdom with being a pushover. For Finn I'm quite sure his growth would make him more bold, always looking to cut the bullshit and carve out his own path. A properly grown up Finn would be an amazing role model. But hey, broken men are great too right. More realistic.
>>78344828
still too much lorefaggotry for my taste. is it bad that I don't give a shit about the future or the past of the land?
>>78344875
I don't really care either but I can still appreciate some neat concepts and actual fun adventure. Plus Cuber was legitimately entertaining, a striking rarity for AT minor characters that get episodes based around them.
>>78342895
Am I the only one who hates Too Old more than Red Throne?
Red Throne was terrible but at least it was there to kind of advance the inn/FP breakup plot, Too Old was literally just inserted right after the breakup to have Finn act like the most pathetic piece of shit and hound PB, because I guess the writers thought Frost and Fire didn't make him hateable enough already.
Plus it slightly corrupted Too Young, a great episode that actually had some cute Finn/PB interaction.
AND it sent Lemongrab in a stupid direction that didn't fit in with his previous development at all. He seemed like he was slowly getting less autistic and then all of a sudden he's a fat dictator eating everyone.
Goddammit I fucking hate that episode.
>>78345045
yeah, you described exactly why I didn't like that episode
>>78344215
>gives legit criticism
>i-i-i-it's a CHILDREN'S CARTOON you sperg!!
Sure, it airs on a children's network. But if it wants me to see it as just "a children's cartoon" it shouldn't be throwing around subjects like the creation of the universe. So I'm going to treat it like Jesse and cast want it to: their soapbox for whatever meanderings they have at the moment
>>78345045
I wouldn't have such a problem with Bubbline occurring if they didn't push it while Finn's character is in a steep and steady decline. It's leaving a real-fucking bitter taste in my mouth because someone over there thought that the ending of S6 was just supposed to magically rectify everything wrong he was doing previously and then stick him back into the clumsy teenager role while both girls get more development. It's like they drew a box around the two and told Finn he couldn't get in it because A.) he hasn't lived long enough and couldn't possibly understand their struggles or B.) known them enough to be a reliable friend. Apparently fuck Pajama War and Dark Purple cause the kid still has his habits and needs to be put down again for the upteenth time?
Remember when he and Jake reunited Marceline with Hudson and rode the bike to power Simon's device to speak to Betty in the past. He could've been a dick and told her to sprout 4 legs and ride the bikes herself and went off to do some other shit. He does it because he knows how important is important to her and decides not to bombard him with questions about the human race's fate. And she fucking sells the deed to his house for a large base guitar.
Bubblegum gets kidnapped so many times and in Bonnie & Neddy she says "Why do I have to unbliz everything?" Like...doyou not remember the numerous times you got kidnapped by Ice King, the 3 times you almost caused the candy apocalypse, the times he and Jake defeated the Lich and saved your kingdom from Maja and Darren? Hello?
Fuck, Finn's the one who united them in the first place in What Was Missing and that's something that most Bubbline fans overlook. They stayed apart for who knows how long and probably would have continued to do so if Finn never showed up. What do they do in return despite all this? Get all touchy-feely with each other and go "fuck off" at the sight of his hand. I hate it.
/salty post
>>78345045
yeah I hate it. It was messed up how Jake just stood by and let Finn do that, even though he knew he was lying about his intentions with PB. Finn casually lying like that with a smile on his face was extremely yucky. He's only capable of that behavior when it comes to trollin for pussy...
You'd think after that he'd be forced to learn something significant. The ending infuriates me.
>welp, I guess PB is just boring because she's old
NO FINN THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO LEARN
>>78346176
if he learns a lesson they can't make more episodes around him suffering though
I'm convinced that they're putting him through this never ending parade of torment just so that if they ever feel lazy about coming up with episode ideas they can go "what if Finn gets sad and mopey about romance again and embarrasses himself" and everyone leaves work an hour early
>>78346078
>Like...doyou not remember the numerous times you
She remembers, she's just a manipulative cunt who guilts him at every turn into doing her bidding. I hate interpreting her character like that, but they've forced me. She deserves to die, desu.
>>78346320
I think the writers have a lot of romance issues to work through, and they figured as soon as Finn became a teen, it would be ok to use him as a punching bag. He relives their bad memories, and of course he never gets better, because they never did.
>>78293640
GO THE FUCK BACK TO TUMBLR YOU FAGGOT.
>>78346601
and you go the fuck back to youtube you capslocking child
So we're all in agreement on how badly the staff has handled Finn's character for over two seasons now.
The thing to wonder now is if they have been doing it out of malice or out of incompetence?
>>78293621
I think Adventure Time it's the most overrated retarded piece of crap ever.
I just watched ocarina, man I can't believe how shitty a dad Jake is, showing up 2 hours late to their bday with nothing but a handful of macaroni. What the fuck
Still a fun episode though
>>78346916
definitely both, although I think the "malice" comes from self-hatred. every writer handles Finn's character poorly for their own unique reason. it's a real rainbow of dysfunction.
It'll get better. I'm sure of it.
>>78293621
I just wanting fucking adventure not 2deep4u bullshit.
But fanbases ruin everything. I mean look at Steven Universe and Gravity Falls for instance.
Okay shows, not amazing, but holy fuck I can't watch them due to any thread about them being absolute cancer. I like to discuss the things I watch and not being able to do that due to the spergelords in the threads sort of makes these shows not worth watching at all.
>>78303994
peppermint butler was great in this comic
>>78293621
Nothing Ruined AT you fucking noob.
Adventure Time is still totes 127% MATH!
>>78336061
He's right though.
>>78354037
only weeaboo is going to agree with another weeaboo
>>78325876
The staff is aware of this. Why do you think so many episodes they aren't the focus any more
>>78335959
Pen wanted them to be homeless but the network was an ass about it. I wonder if that same assiness prevents Finn from even going on a long trip.
>>78354057
where do you think we are
>>78311929
Wait, so, the show is sorta-kinda broad-strokes canon to the comics, while the comics aren't canon to the show?
A shame, cause' some of the comics' characters are charmers.
>>78346356
Down with Bubblegum: up with Chewypaste!
>>78354649
far as I know. the comics take from the show, but never vice versa. the original developments in the comic are kinda too wacky for the show, these days. or too meta -- Adventure Tim, Chewypaste, all those guys would definitely not fit in.
>>78293858
The fans directly contributed to the decline of the show with the creators caving to demands for pointless shitty shipping and drama. Was a much better show during S1 and S2 when they were just doing whatever the fuck they wanted, having actual adventures, not Tumblrtime
>>78355060
but they've made it clear they don't give a fuck what the viewers think. if they cared about our watching experience, they wouldn't do everything they can to make the show as frustrating and depressing as possible.
>>78354757
I dunno, CP might be refreshing if she turns out to actually be PB's original concept played straight, without all the SCIENCE! and lack of empathy and such.
>>78293621
fanbase ruins everything especially when creators started to catering to there fans
>>78355060
the shipping doesn't actually take up that much of the show
if a few episodes bother you so much you either must have been invested in the shipping yourself, and it didn't turn out the way you wanted, or you're focusing on the fanbase and it's reactions instead of the show itself
and besides, I don't think they were catering to any demands by introducing a new character, and then taking it in the shitty depressing direction it did. I don't think anybody wanted that. if you're talking about bubbline, it takes up even less of the show. AT may have declined but I don't think shipping is to blame
yeah, the drama may have leaked into other episodes with Finn's mopiness, but it would usually just be some offhand comment here and there. and it even resulted in a good episode, dungeon train
and if by drama you mean feelsy stuff in general, I think the writers would have done that regardless of the fans. or maybe after what a hit "I remember you" was they were encouraged to keep doing stuff like that? I dunno, I actually like that kind of stuff and I think they would've wanted to do it anyway. like it's been said, the problem is all the writers with all their different ideas that pulled it it in multiple different directions that didn't go anywhere, beyond pen's simple and fun adventure cartoon in season 1.
>>78355231
what's her original concept? she was doing crazy science frankenstein crap in the first episode.
>>78355259
I'd love for someone to point out specifically how the show has catered to the fans, and how it's contributed to it's decline. >>78342266 tried, but it's still vague.
I mean you have stuff like Fionna and Cake that's well-known to be a product of fan influence, but it had no impact on the rest of the show and it wasactually pretty cute and fun.
I think in AT's case, it's drop in quality is pretty independent from the fanbase, and it's just a problem with the writing in general
>>78317235
I wasn't talking about the characterization you retard, I was talking about you acting like marceline replaced finn because of one thing after years of no screentime
>>78355835
Marceline hasn't replaced Finn but it's still pretty bullshit that she of all people got to be the star of the biggest continuous arc. 8 episodes of a single Finn and Jake story could accomplish so much. But seeing how Stakes turned out, I guess it wouldn't matter anyway.
>>78355979
Thisthisthis.
>>78355282
>>78355475
>>78355835
And here come the apologists. Remember to point and laugh at them at all times.
>>78326464
You're lowkey right.
>>78346176
>>78346320
>implying Finn hasn't learned
https://youtu.be/tjw13WG7SW0
Finn is over PB.
>>78293621
It fucked itself by adding more and more seasons when the writers are just outright mediocre.
The fandom doesn't help neither with how retardly low and obsessed they are with characters.
Also, the threads on /co/ were never good, only filled with headcanons and fetishes.sage
>>78345837
> if it wants me to see it as just "a children's cartoon" it shouldn't be throwing around subjects like the creation of the universe
Why not?
>>78293621
>>78293621
>Did the fanbase ruin Adventure Time?
The writers did that. Season 4 was the last good season, and everything following it proceeded to shit on all the things that made the show worthwhile.
I will never forgive them for ruining the beautiful tragic story of the Ice King. The introduction of Betty was literally so fucking bad I don't have the words for it.
>>78347069
Was it always like that, or did they fuck the episode up by having the conversation at the end be audible???
I blame the writers mostly.
Especially the writer who hates Fin.
>>78358264
>Clip from two years ago
Finn's regressed from that several times dude.
Which sucks because that is really the way he should have kept acting.
It made the tragic mistake of listening to its fans, and as such, catering to what their fans wanted.
You may not consider that a bad thing, but if we're all honest with ourselves, the average person is thick as shit. None of us know what we really want. A show's creator, and by extension the writing staff he chooses, have a duty to do what THEY want to do, and move the show in a direction that they want it to, regardless of what the shit-eating members of the general public have to say. If it works, it works. If it doesn't, tough luck.
AT listened to their fans, and started pushing the show in their direction more and more. They lost their casual fans, leaving a hardcore group of superfans behind, who keep pushing the show further and further down the path they want it to go, losing more and more fans with each successive change.
Eventually it's going to be one obese gender-bender whose original sex is a mystery, screaming down a red telephone that links directly to Penn Ward's ears, telling him how long this week's Bubbeline sex scene should be.
>>78336095
DUDE LE 90'S XDXDXDXDXD
Fucking die nostalgiafag.
>>78361288
>AT listened to their fans, and started pushing the show in their direction more and more.
How?
>hurr bubbline
it's just 3 episodes and the miniseries
(ffs I'm not "apologizing" for the show's writing, I just think it's stupid to think the fanbase had anything to do with it)
>>78361288
The AT writers mainly write shit for themselves and sometimes toss a Fionna and Cake or Bubbline bone to the fans so that the ratings don't drop low enough.
I don't see how any fans would want most of the dumb shit that's happened in the past few years of the show.
If they were pandering to the fans then there would be thirty Bubbline episodes and 20 Fionna and Cake ones and Finn/FP never would have broken up.
They do this shit for themselves and the fanbase then has to jump through the hoops to justify it and say it all makes sense.
>>78361676
and the comics
>>78361746
Because Finn and Jake are in the title. They're obligated to focus on them though at times it seems like they don't want to anymore.
>>78362030
The show's steadily drifted away from those two as the stars and at this point I think they could get away with shifting the main focus to someone else without that many of the fans complaining (as all the other characters seem to get more love than Finn/Jake).
The question is of just who else to center on though, I guess PB's the obvious choice but I think the staff would get burned out pretty quick if they focus on her too much at once.
I think something the writers do like about Finn and Jake is that those guys require "low-effort" writing in their eyes while all the ladies and shit are more serious and important, so they can relax on a few "who gives a shit" Finn and Jake episodes while if it's about Marceline or Bubblegum or hell, even FP they have to try more.
That's just my view on it though.
>>78362233
>while if it's about Marceline or Bubblegum or hell, even FP they have to try more.
The Princess Day disputes this.
>>78362294
Xayaphone never tries though, he don't count.
>>78362233
>The question is of just who else to center on though
Fucking Finn and Jake. You don't leave them in a rut and then fuck off and develop someone else. They aren't gonna flash forward to them in their primes kicking butt and suddenly everything's ok.
>>78362545
The writers only care like half the time with Finn and haven't cared about Jake at all for years now.
Might as well move on instead of doing something like this that the staff doesn't wanna do and that damages the involved characters.
>>78362589
True. I'll give anything for him to be happy and righteous and on good terms with everyone again
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