>>78102013
Its called a homage dear child.
Its called an Homage. For example half of Spike Speigels fights were taken directly from Bruce Lee films.
>>78102043
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
>>78102057
Yeah about that....Everyone always says that, but no one every posts evidence of this. Like the train fight scene from the Cowboy Bebop movie.
>>78102013
>>78102099
I'm gonna let you in one something that's gonna blow your mind. When people watch something that they like and they make their own show, they have a tendency to include references to the things they enjoy.
>>78102187
Its unprofessional and lazy. And whenever someone gets called out on it they just wave it off as a homage. They are literally just copying the key frame animations and swapping characters that are doing the exact same movements.
>>78102099
>>78102013
Are you the same autist that commissions people to draw Peter Parker with a tiny dick?
You kind of sound like him.
>>78102232
>Its unprofessional and lazy
You're hopeless.
>>78102237
Never heard of him. But I find it interesting how you immediately assume so just because I happened to post a spiderman example. I thought it would be a interesting OP since in that particular episode they plagiarized not one movie, but three.
I heard a fight from Baki: son of the ogre, was plagiarized from a Spider-Man/Kingpin fight. I have yet to see proof in complete scans of the latter.
>>78102250
That's not a counter argument.
>>78102013
At least it plagiarized good animation USM cartoon still sucks dick in the animation department.
>>78102321
you're not a counter argument
>>78102232
>Its unprofessional and lazy. And whenever someone gets called out on it they just wave it off as a homage.
Dude Every single one of Gainax's shows references things they like. Silent Hill is basically just a mashup of every single horror book and movie that Team Silent liked. Homages and references are a big part of media.
A reference to films is not the same as plagirization.
Pic related is a homage/reference. All they did was draw an ape smashing bones but it was obvious what it was referring to was original piece of animation.OP pic is a literal copy of another piece of media with no explicit reference at all. Learn the difference m8.
>>78102593
Jeez.
The american version looks so shitty.
>>78102593
>>78102609
>>78102562
I don't any similarities...
>>78102562
I keep hearing these scenes were homage to a Bruce Lee flick but I've yet to actually get a source
>>78102668
That's because there isnt one. Its just a rumour that came about from butt hurt naruto fans. They couldn't accept that their favorite shows was being scrutinized for plagiarism, so they made up a rumour that Cowboy Bebop stole all its fight scenes from Bruce Lee to make it not look as bad by comparison...
>>78102668
![3Fd7sRV[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/5Muaigd.gif "3Fd7sRV[1].gif")
>>78102668
>>78102775
Well that certainly helps, thanks anon. You wouldn't happen to have a name...?
>>78102237
Nah, it's not him. He's got a very particular writing style.
>>78102797
lol what?
Thats naruto. Not cowboy bebobibbity bop. Reading comp is your friend...
I don't have an image of it but axehead from pacific rim is a direct rip of a kaiju from symbiotic titan
>>78102775
>>78102788
That isn't Bruce Lee. It's Conan Lee, the movie is called Ninja in the Dragon's Den.
Also, I would say it counts as a homage, rather than somehow validating other shows ripping off Naruto.
>>78102013
what is on the right?
>>78102839
I just wanted to show that they indeed did pull moves from actual movies.
I'm still looking for the Bruce Lee comparisons.
>>78102845
Ghost in the Shell Innocence.
>>78102901
CB didn't pull any moves from the movies. Particularly this fight scene>>78102668
makes more sense for CB because they are fighting on a train. The most appropriate way for them to fight is in a straight line. It doesn't make any sense for Naruto because they have wide open space.
I see two different things having the same thing in both of them
That's not plagiarism
>>78102892
Oh hey, it's the Eva boat scene. This is a fun guessing game.
>>78102953
>frame by frame similarities in two different media
>not plagiarism
kay
I don't see these as plagerism or homage, but studios using the same scenes because it works and looks good. Like using stock footage.
>>78102892
EoE?
>>78103007
wat
>>78102796
Wow
>>78103037
Think of it like this; when an artist needs to draw something but they don't know how, they use a reference like a stock photo to get the pose right.
Same with fight scenes in animation.
>>78103101
It's fine if a amateur does this, but not when a professional does it multiple times.
>>78103101
When an artist wants to paint someone sitting down, they get someone to sit down in front of them and use that as reference.
They don't trace the Mona Lisa.
I constantly need to take a photo of my hand to draw them right. It becomes pretty okay but not sure if that is a form of trace.
>>78103129
what if the model for the Mona Lisa was around to sit down and do reference work for everybody?
>>78103270
Then the artists would all be painting her from different angles, wouldn't they? Besides, that doesn't apply to the analogy unless you're going for the obviously incorrect "they're all traced from Bruce Lee movies" claim.
>>78103327
There's only so many angles you can do a portrait from
>>78103357
True, but I still think you're mistaking plagiarism for homage. Homage is referencing an earlier work, not copying it 1:1
>>78103121
Yeah sure, an amateur knows exactly what a professional can or can not do in his industry. Professionals have no need for the naive opinion of a hobbies or consumer. You do anything and everything in your ability to create their work as said in >>78103101
Raphael and Da Vinci used references of other artworks, did studies of people and flat out copied poses from their previous paintings/drawings, their contemporaries and mentors before creating their own art.
>>78103129
None of these homages are traces.
>>78102013
>you cannot take others' ideas and reuse them differently
OP is not top GNU.
>>78103549
Just because famous artists plagiarize doesn't make it okay you mong.
>>78103568
who would do such a thing...
>>78102796
Now I need to watch Street Fighter 2 again.
>>78103673
Actually to the art world, it does.
>>78103549
>copied poses from their previous paintings/drawings, their contemporaries and mentors before creating their own art.
Keyword there: "before".
Doing studies of masters works is a staple of art education. But no one puts those studies in a gallery and presents them as their own art.
>>78103568
That's pretty racist
>>78102609
>>78103673
Again, you naively believe that using references and recycling ideas is an indicator of being a 'poor' artist. I'm sorry to burst your bubble but the entirety of art history and the very process of creating art would disagree. It isn't just famous artists. Its everyone.
The School of Athens is an homage to all the ideas and influential people who shaped the modern understanding of the human mind and celebrated human ingenuity. There are over A DOZEN poses in this painting alone that are flat out copies from other paintings. Are you going to tell me that Raphael is a sack of shit?
>>78103768
that one is really grasping at straws
>>78103735
You need to educate yourself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appropriation_(art)
>>78103989
Why can't you understand the difference between homage/plagiriazation???
A homage is a referance made to something out of respect or admiration. Usually in form of a parody, mention, or direct example.
Plagiriazation(which YOU ARE JUSTIFYING) is taking someone else's work, tweeking it a little and passing it off as your own idea. If a artist plagiarizes it doesn't matter how famous they are. They are shit and not that great in the first place if they have to resort to stealing other people's ideas.
>>78104103
>taking someone else's work, tweeking it a little and passing it off as your own idea
Nothing posted thus far has done that. Everything is redrawn from the ground up
>>78104177
We must be looking at different threads then
>>78102621
because you are comparing a kids show to a movie.
>>78104201
Pretty much are. There's no "Scenes R' Us" shop that these folks can go to for them to just buy scenes then color as they want. Each scene still has to be redrawn frame by frame. The fact that they can ape a scene 100% speaks less about laziness and more about dedication to making a perfect copy.
>passing it off as your own idea
Have any of the staff that produced any of these cartoons ever said anywhere that these scenes were "their own idea"? No? Then you don't really have any basis for your claim.
>>78103735
You think the painter himself took these pictures? This artist, Jeong, uses a reference from a photo (Someone else's art) and does a 1:1 copy through sheer technical will. Hes taken an exercise (Doing a study) and pushed to the utmost limits. Whether or not you agree that this is art is debatable, but there is no way you can say that he is a terrible artist.
http://blog.naver.com/carandini/40154417208
Compare that to a concept artist or animator who also uses references and creates caricatures of the movement or impression of the reference in order to create something else entirely. You'll never see the reference because to the consumer it doesn't matter.
Whether you like it or not, all art revolves around copying.
>>78104381
>The fact that they can ape a scene 100% speaks less about laziness and more about dedication to making a perfect copy.
Are you serious? Making a drawing that copies another drawing exactly is not some remarkable achievement. Animation takes a lot of work, a lot of brain power. Choreographing a cartoon fight is not easy. If they're copying an already existing fight exactly, they're not putting ANY thought into it. That's not something to be applauded.
>>78102892
Moments like this, where they've used a move or basic scene setup as a reference rather than an entire fight, are great.
Clearly none of it is traced, but it's still similar enough to be obvious for fans.
>>78104427
THIS IS NOT PLAGIARIZATION YOU IDIOT.
>>78104462
Ive heard that this happens a lot in anime when studios haven't got anyone talented enough to do a particular scene and don't want to pay for sakuga animation.
>>78104427
This is only considered art because photography has fucked up the art world. Photorealism is the goal here, to be as fucking close as a photo as possible. The technical skill, the exactness of the reproduction, is the whole point of his work.
>>78104462
It does if the characters aren't even the same proportions as the originals, and it still looks like a realistic brawl.
>>78104462
>Making shit up as you go along is harder than making sure you did exactly as the other guy did with no screw ups
Man Bop-it has no challenge to it at all.
>>78104462
>Animation takes a lot of work, a lot of brain power. Choreographing a cartoon fight is not easy. If they're copying an already existing fight exactly, they're not putting ANY thought into it. That's not something to be applauded.
Every single comparison in the OP are homages. No one went around twitter/tubmlr/facebook/youtube and said "Look at this amazing scene I did of people fighting, am I amazing or what?!?" The whole point of those scenes, which are homages, is to show how much they love animation and their love of the source materials.
The conversation you should be getting is "Hey I work on Y show, but I'm also a huge fan of X. If you recognize that this scene I did from Y is an homage to X, then you're awesome for also watching X and wasn't that scene from X fucking awesome?"
>>78104496
So why do you believe that you argument, which hinges on the fact that (this artist) copied (that artist) work so he is shitty and stupid and not doing art, somehow doesn't apply to Jeong?
>>78104698
>Every single comparison in the OP are homages. No one went around twitter/tubmlr/facebook/youtube and said "Look at this amazing scene I did of people fighting, am I amazing or what?!
You need to understand the difference between homage and plagiarization to argue your point. No one NEEDS to brag about their work for it NOT to be flat out plagiarized. What kind of logic is that??? You think just because Greg Land doesn't brag on twitter about how much he copies from other comicbooks and pictures that his work is completely original?
>>78102892
I love this so much.
It's not just Japanese designs comic thieves like to hack on.
>this entire thread
>>78104894
by the Emperor's beard...
>>78104816
That image has gotten around Anon. I saw a commercial about asbestos poisoning for some lawyer firm and they had that guy in the background. I lost my shit.
>>78104523
>This is only considered art because photography has fucked up the art world.
You're kidding right? Photography freed the long held constraints of painting photo realistically and allowed artists to pursue other means of representation that are often times TRUER than realism. Impressionism arose because cameras were invented at the turn of the century and painters were free to paint for the sake of painting. You didn't need to hide your mark making and brush strokes anymore, you were now free to leave strokes and mark making not out of 'laziness' but because they actually added to the piece.
>>78104894
I don't get it
>>78104816
Are these 1:1 copies? No? Then it isn't plagiarism. Again, educate yourself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appropriation_(art)
>>78105066
>>78105130
>>78105136
okay I don't know about 40k so I just thought it was stupid looking gun
>>78102621
Well one has the budget of a feature film while the other has the budget of a 3d tv show for kids.
>>78102232
Shout outs and homages are extremely common in just about all forms of visual media. You may not like it, but its how it is.
>>78102363
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH
>>78103768
As another anon said, this one is pretty tenuous.
>>78102982
yeah, k
>>78105130
So Greg Land is a good artist in your opinion.
SAY IT. SAY THE WORDS.
>>78104103
>Why can't you understand the difference between homage/plagiriazation???
Clearly you don't.
>>78105266
Greg Land is a good artist in your opinion.
>>78105266
He is a professional working tight time tables and a hellvalot better at art than you.
Didn't Liefield have a meltdown last year or something?
>>78105429
>being better at art than me makes a person a good artist
Motherfucker I can't draw a goddamned Pikachu right.
Is there an image with all the times the Akira bike slide has been alluded to?
>>78102668
It bothers me that Neji is using actual punches instead of murder pokes or bitch slaps.
>>78102232
Jesus you're a twat! Homage will always be there it's only ripped off when the concept is taken and everything is just the same except characters and little change in plot like those bargain bin movies that they make after a big cartoon movie comes out.
>>78105575
Better than most honestly
>>78105696
Thanks anon!
