>tfw you open the new Previews catalog
>new 52 is still running rampant
>everyone has stupid costumes
>barry is still flash and wally is black guy
>harley's a slutty suicide girl model
>sigh and check the marvel Previews
>spider-man is black
>thor is a chick
>hulk is some annoying asian kid
>wellp looks like no marvel/dc purchases again
Am I ever going to be able to read comics from the Big Two again? I want off this wild ride.
Wait 5 years and we will remember this like the "90's 3Dg3" where huge uns and different things where. I predict a status quo stabilization after the movies start to taper off. Bringing young cap back for fans and mutties acl because will die first.
>>77843557
>>hulk is some annoying asian kid
One of these things is not like the other.
One of these things is actually good.
>>77843557
>some annoying asian kid
>>77843604
I don't know, man. I hope you're right, but it doesn't seem like this is just another wacky comics trend that'll be over in a few years. It seems like feminists and SJWs have sunk their claws deep into shit. It's the same with video games. Video games aren't going anywhere, but I think we're witnessing the death knell of comic books.
>>77843610
>>77843620
I'm genuinely not trying to troll here, but I don't get the love for Cho at all.
>spider-man is black
>hulk is some annoying asian kid
You are fucking retarded.
>>77843643
child of single mother detected
>>77843557
>wahhh why won't they make comics for ME
Fuck off.
>>77843641
If you actually read any Hulk comics maybe you would understand
>>77843686
Well, is he vastly different than he was in World War Hulk? Because I fucking hated him there.
>>77843641
People like what he was, they will fuck it up with an ongoing. Especially since he s now hulk...
>>77843713
>is CHARACTER vastly different in main book than in an event written by another writer
Gee anon, I don't know
>>77843624
Well, we always have decades of minutia to argue over like children...
>>77843673
>wahhh why won't they make comics for ME
Actually, I just wanted them to continue to make the comics they were making for decades.
They could've created some new Super-SJW Heroes to appeal to you low-test types instead of replacing existing characters, but that's hard and wouldn't get them good PR.
>>77843733
Okay, let me rephrase. Is he still a Mary Sue-ish smartass genius know-it-all?
Because that's why I hated him in World War Hulk.
>>7843624
>SJWs are ruining comics!!1
Here we go again. If you mean comics as an industry SJWs have nothing to do with it it's sales dropping due to Diamond's monopoly & bad business practices causing less and less "real" news stands & grocery stores to carry comic books relegating them to LCS where only SOME established comic book fans go to buy floppies occasionally because they cost $4 fucking dollars for 30 pages of filler (especially with events, oh god the EVENTS) and half of it is car advertisements and they think printing more and more shitty variants are going to make people buy more comics and due to Marvel being owned by Disney now who's big into aggressive advertising than actually putting out good content they're doing all these publicity stunts like Whor and following what they think is cool with kids (which usually involves SJ shit and awful "indie" creators without actually making Good Comics(tm). If you mean fandom-wise though then yeah but Big 2 are drawing a bad crowd in general due to the popularity of the movies.
>>77843663
Spider-man isn't black, that's like saying Spider-man is an anthropomorphic cartoon pig or Spider-man is Doc Ock just because it happened at some point. Spider-man is still Peter Parker but Miles Morales is just more "active" right now.
>>77843783
You are 100% correct that those are the main reasons for the decline of comics (especially the bit about supermarkets--comic books were everywhere when I was a kid 30 years ago).
But that doesn't mean the SJW-ification of comics isn't hurting and going to hurt as well. It's not a good long-term strategy.
>>77843813
Well, what's the deal with the Spider-Man #1 being Miles in the Marvel Previews then? I'm out of the loop (since I admittedly have abandoned the Big Two for a while now), but last I knew Miles was relegated to a different Earth. This seems to indicate he's going to be the main Spider-man for a while like Whor. Not correct?
>>77843740
Keep crying. Not like it'll make a difference anyway.
>>77843557
Why do people think Harley being a turbo slut is new? She's always been one from her conception.
>>77843740
Because continuing to do exactly the same thing while your market slowly declines is a sure fire recipe for success.
If comics are failing it likely has more to do with rising costs and a broken distribution model than a handful of gimmicky character revamps.
>>77843895
>If comics are failing it likely has more to do with rising costs and a broken distribution model than a handful of gimmicky character revamps.
Totally true, but trying to suck up to feminists and SJWs isn't gonna help. They'll bitch and moan, but they'll never actually start reading comics.
>>77843557
You clearly don't actually read comics
DC has been quality for years now, nu52 was good in terms of that
Marvel is just shit, race doesn't matter
This is why you should all be reading Valiant, they can actually write POC characters well without them coming off as forced.
>>77843919
>>77843834
>muh sjw boogeyman
kill yourselves, you worthless shitstains
>>77843930
Valiantshill pls
>>77843921
>You clearly don't actually read comics
Whatever dude, I did and do (just not DC/Marvel anymore). I quit reading DC cold turkey when New 52 hit (well, I did continue Green Lantern a little for a while). Marvel died a slower death with me, but sometime around Brand New Day is when I began to get really pissed off with them and start dropping books.
>>77844022
>I quit reading DC cold turkey when New 52 hit
your loss
>BND
Turned out to be mostly good, it was literally everything else that was shit
>>77843945
>both agree SJ's aren't doing anything themselves, just their general left-leaning opinions getting targeted for marketing by disconnected ad-marketing graduates in big companies
>boogeyman posting
>muh shitposting
Kill yourself
>>77843930
>reading Valiant
>>77844088
>I haven't read a single Valiant comic but I'm still going to shitpost about it! XD
>>77844055
>your loss
No, not really.
I don't give a flying fuck if the New 52 stories are amazing. I want to read stories about the characters I grew up with. New 52 destroyed almost all of those and inserted new replacement characters in their place. That's not my Superman. That's not my fucking Batman. That's sure as fuck not my Wally West.
If quality of story is all that matters, then they could've just made new characters altogether.
>>77843930
What's good with Valiant? I am not opposed, but I have never read anything that has appealed to me so far.
>>77844122
I could say I have read nearly every valiant run, but you'd never believe it. I love the company, but it's nowhere near DC. Marvel these days, sure. But being compared to the shittier of the big two is nothing fantastic.
>>77844127
>That's not my fucking Batman
It is, the popular characters didn't get tweaked (there's the year zero stuff, mind), like GL
>>77843919
I get what you are saying but to me it's just comics as usual. No different from the time Captain America fought evil President Nixon or the time the Justice League were all gorillas or the time they killed Spider-Man and replaced him with a super villain.
Ultimately they hope that the number of readers put off by new storylines will be less than the number of readers that drift away because they are bored with the same identikit heroes punching the same villians.
>>77844153
Nothing really. It's above average, but in the same way Green Lantern is. It's almost never great.This coming from a guy whose favorite character is Hal.
>>77844153
Bloodshot Reborn is pretty great.
>>77843557
OP Read Martian Manhunter, it is Based!
http://www.comicbookresources.com/comic-previews/dc-sneak-peek-martian-manhunter-dc-comics-2015
http://viewcomic.com/?s=martian+manhunter
>>77844173
I know not as much as the others (that's why I kept reading GL for a little while) but they still did some. Batman, he's young again, his whole history has been condensed, Tim was never Robin or something (I guess?), etc.
The whole thing is just ridiculous.
>>77843557
>>new 52 is still running rampant
That is a good thing...
>>77844215
> sorry the page you requested was not found
Man, this sure makes me want to read it.
>>77844235
m8
>>77844153
>What's good with Valiant?
Please read RAI!
http://viewcomic.com/rai-001-2014/
Bar at top allows you to go to the next issue.
>>77844239
Both links are working for, me which one is the problem?
Its 2 separate urls not just one.
>>77844244
Their is nothing fucking wrong with the new 52 unless your a nostalgia whore.
>>77844273
second one. Worked after three tries. Might be the server or my net chucking a shit.
>>77844292
>Their is nothing fucking wrong with the new 52
ebin. when was the last time superman was good? 2011? 2010? sure as hell not any time recently
>>77844292
>Their is nothing fucking wrong with the new 52
>erasing decades of continuity
>nothing wrong
>their
>>77844354
Morrison and Pak's runs, which are New 52.
>>77844292
well memed
>>77844400
I said 'good'
>>77844255
I like Valiant but Kindt is pretty bad writer and drags everything he's involved with down
>>77843859
You're a retard in general. The main Spiderman book is and always will be the Amazing Spider-man. Anything else is not the main Spiderman book. It's like saying "Spiderman is a drunk spic" or "Spiderman is 5people" or "Spiderman is a woman" because they're are 3 other books out
>>77844383
>erasing
It adds to the lore, besides Convergence happened
>>77844354
Superman wasn't good before nu52
>>77844383
Sooo, like the end of jjba stone ocean? Is there a guy with two balls?
>>77844418
And? They are good? Have you even read them?
>>77844418
>I said 'good'
Yes and the Pak stuff before Truth was fucking great.
>>77844383
>>erasing decades of continuity
That is a creative choice you don't agree with, that has no barring on whether or not some of the current stories are written well or not, and all of it still exist, its just not apart of this reality, so what? What the fuck is wrong with alternate time lines fucker?
>>77844419
What bad has he done, Rai is superb, I highly highly recommend it, very Blade Runner like.
>>77844441
>The main Spiderman book is and always will be the Amazing Spider-man
I know, right? It's not like they stopped publishing it for over a year recently or something... Oh wait.
You dumb motherfucker.
>>77844127
>If quality of story is all that matters, then they could've just made new characters altogether
You know for a fact that you wouldn't have read it otherwise. Static is proof of this.
>>77844450
>Superman wasn't good before nu52
found the faggot
> And? They are good? Have you even read them?
unfortunately, yes
>>77844473
>Yes and the Pak stuff before Truth was fucking great.
>>77844473
>That is a creative choice you don't agree with, that has no barring on whether or not some of the current stories are written well or not, and all of it still exist, its just not apart of this reality, so what?
So, well-written stories aren't the only thing that matter. The character the story is about matters as well. And if it's not the character I care about, why the fuck would I read it? I might as well go read some indie comic with some hero I've never heard of. It has about as much attachment as I do to some of the New 52 reboot characters.
>>77843921
/this
Close bait thread.
>>77844520
Explain how it wasn't? the stuff with the underground people was fun, great development for Lana, Kuder is great.
>>77844538
>And if it's not the character I care about, why the fuck would I read it?
But they are the same fucking characters, some of the previous events in their lives did not take place.
>people hate on based Cho on Cho because muh esjoos
THEY HAVE WON. THEY REALLY HAVE WON.
>>77844509
>You know for a fact that you wouldn't have read it otherwise.
Of course not. But I would've kept reading the characters that I'm not now and DC/Marvel would still be getting my money. And then people that want all-new characters can read that other shit.
I'm sorry, but it just doesn't seem like a wise business strategy long-term to alienate long-time customers in favor of appealing to a few new comic readers who may or may not even stick around in the medium. And it's not even an either-or proposition. There was a middle ground here. But DC just nuked their entire line.
>>77844566
No, people hate on Cho because he's an attention whore and a mediocre cheesecake artist.
>>77844551
>the stuff with the underground people was fun
trash
> great development for Lana
sure, it was great for lana. not the character i was talking about though, you know, Superman.
> Kuder is great
all your credibility and points of conversation are now gone
>>77844565
>But they are the same fucking characters
That's not true and you know it. I mean, some, like Hal got away relatively unscathed. But look at Wally. Look at Superman. Those are NOT the same characters just because you give them the same name or a similar outfit.
>>77844579
>cheesecake artist
>for Hulk
I don't see the problem
>>77844583
This is you average Cho fan; all caps, multiple interrogation points, cares more about art than characters.
>>77844508
Wow they had 2 events, relaunched the book, and returned to status quo.they didn't even run a Spiderman book besides gwen and woman for a while.
But surely any book that isn't the amazing Spiderman has to be the main book,like it's been for a long time.
Isn't amazing still bi-weekly /bi-monthly? Putting it over the other books still?
>>77844292
>Their is nothing fucking wrong with the new 52
makes me nothing but mad
>>77844599
better than caring that Hulk is an asian kid
>>77844598
I didn't say he's a bad fit for Hulk, I said he's a mediocre cheescake artist. Learn to read.
>>77844602
I'm just saying, you're acting like giving Miles Spider-man #1 doesn't mean anything and it clearly does.
>>77843557
are you people addicted or anything? why keep complaining about books you don't have to read to live?
>>77844579
No he is a fucking fantastic artist regardless if he is drawing cheesecake and he is THE single best cheesecake artist working today.
His bodies regardless of busty-ness look like real bodies, not super models sticks, he pays strong attention to musculature and making them be believable as warriors, more than any other comic artist today.
Fuck You, you lying piece of shit!
>>77844616
>I didn't say he's a bad fit for Hulk
>while talking about the Hulk comic
wow, I didn't know I was talking to a retard.
>>77843921
>nu52 was good
stopped reading
>>77844594
>Look at Superman. Those are NOT the same characters just because you give them the same name or a similar outfit.
Yes he is almost exactly the same, making him less naive and childish is not a major change to the character and what he stands for
>>77844633
It's all the exact same woman, dude. Also, nice ad hominem, I can tell how intelligent you are.
>>77844639
I was talking about Cho in general, again, learn to read.
>>77844633
>and he is THE single best cheesecake artist working today
Amanda Conner isn't a "he."
>>77844609
>makes me nothing but mad
Injustice is not new 52, dumb fuck.
>>77844450
>Superman wasn't good before nu52
Suck a bag of dicks.
>>77844696
>2006
>>77844579
>mediocre
Yeah... Good luck with that.
>>77844739
I said mediocre cheesecake artist, not mediocre artist.
>>77844689
>i'm on an imageboard and can't spot a reaction image
>>77844680
>It's all the exact same woman
No its fucking not... Pic related.
>>77844689
>Injustice is not new 52, dumb fuck.
>taking a reaction image as comment info
man you really are a dumbass
>MUH comics please bring back muh comics don't pander to that group pander to me dammit
>mfw
>>77844680
and I was talking about Cho on Cho... which is a Hulk comic. Stop being retarded.
>>77844778
faggot
>>77844687
>Amanda Conner isn't a "he."
Amanda Conner is almost just as bad at same face as Cho, her female bodies are generic cartoony crap, pays little attention to musculature as Cho, she has never put in as much work as Cho does with that incredible cross hatching, she can't paint like he can, can't do as amazing back grounds as he can seen here --- >>77844739
Fuck You!
>>77844489
I really didn't like Unity. Nothing had impact, it was just a series of events without weight behind them. There were moments that should have had weight (especially in the webnet arc) but they still felt bland and with only the slightest hint that the characters might care about what's going on
This is one of the most toxic /co/ threads I've seen for a while.
>>77844760
>>77844774
Then why even respond if your not going to give a reason for what your problem with the new 52 is, fucker.
>>77844812
And it's not even about movies. Impressive.
>>77844813
>fucker
>being this much of a butthurt shill
>>77844778
>pandering
>selling to the same majority of people you've been selling to for decades
>pandering
I don't think that word means what you think it does .jpg
>>77844763
They have the exact same face.
>>77844800
If you can't jerk off to Amanda Conner's cheesecake because of her backgrounds then you are King Faggot of Queerbait Mountain.
>>77844828
>how to go bust 101
>>77844749
Find me a mainstream comic artist that does better bodies and musculature than this --- >>77844633
and mix of sexy and strong as pic related... I defy you!
>>77844800
>I don't have any valid points to make so fuck you!
You have to be 18 or older to post here, kid.
>>77844845
No Jeans is slightly less round and has a more pronounced chin.
The Bodies are plenty different tho.
>>77844514
>electric blue superman
>grounded
>president lex
>superboy in general
>supergirl reboot all the time
Its a miracle people still love Superman after he's been shit for so long
>>77844852
Adam Hughes.
>>77844851
>how to go bust 101
>pandering to easily-offended SJWs and feminists who hate anything stereotypically male and will never actually read comics
Yeah, like that.
Read Valiant, nigga.
>>77844819
if someone posts "the butlering" or a "goku vs superman" post, it'll reach maximum levels of assblast
This is my kinda thread
>>77844846
Im not jerking it to ether of them, im talking about their competence as a artist and renderer.
>>77844859
Actually I listed 6 valid point dumb fuck.
>>77844880
Yeah, I'm talking about who draws the best cheesecake. Which is Amanda Conner, motherfucker.
>>77844866
>Its a miracle people still love Superman after he's been shit for so long
ah he's supes, it'll take a lot more than 'man of murder' or consistently shit books to drag him down
>>77844876
>muh sjws
>muh feminists
grow up or go back to your subreddit
>>77844866
>>president lex
What was wrong with this???
>>77844895
Jesus, you're so underage.
>>77844869
Can't do hips or butts at all...
>>77844828
I remember in 2010 we were laughing and shaming SJWs and now they are laughing at us
Its amazing what a turnaround DC made. Its almost like a woman btfo of them or something
>>77844897
>Which is Amanda Conner, motherfucker.
No she is fucking not for these reasons...
>her female bodies are generic cartoony crap, pays little attention to musculature as Cho and so they are not believable as warriors.
>>77844951
>we
back to /b/
>>77844919
And yet your the one who is BTFO and not even trying to argue or prove you point you coward mother fucker.
>>77844951
Avengers came out in 2012
Marvel went full sjw around then
DC saw all the money they made and couldn't ignore the changing comic demographic that they used to openly disrespect.
Now they are trying to pander to them but sadly all the ill will they built up is still there
>>77844963
>her female bodies are generic cartoony crap, pays little attention to musculature as Cho and so they are not believable as warriors.
>implying any of that matters with CHEESECAKE you fucking autist
>>77844970
kid please leave
the board culture has changed a lot. I remember when we had posts about that kyrax woman and DC absolutely shitting on her all the time she asked questions.
Now I'd imagine Didio wished he was nicer to people of her ilk since his new boss is an SJW
>check pull list for tomorrow
>30-something indies
>15 DC
>no Marvel
>>77844951
>>77845023
marvelfags pls. DC knows how to pander to sjws without losing quality; shit, they've been doing that in the days Marvel was called Timely!
>>77845050
I see nothing wrong here.
>>77845050
Meh, I'm giving Hulk and Daredevil a chance.
>>77845077
>Daredevil
>Soule
See? Not even DD, which always managed to be of better quality than other Marvel books, is safe now.
>>77845050
>no Marvel
Been in a very sorry state for years, no chance of improving unless the overhaul everything and fire Bendis
>>77845050
Not even Miracleman? Or do you mean new books only, no reprints?
>>77845120
>fire everyone
Fixed. Bendis is not the only hack they have on board.
>>77843610
I really like Cho but of all the race swaps Cho Hulk seems the least sustainable. I can buy shifting the title of Cap to another and even Thor, both of which have precedent. But Hulk was varyingly a condition that afflicted Banner or an aspect of his psyche. Sure, there's a whole family of Gamma powered supes, but Hulk IS Banner and vice versa. Chulk will be the swap that fades fastest.
>>77843733
Pak wrote the Hulk ongoing and WWH, casual.
>>77845144
>Not even Miracleman? Or do you mean new books only, no reprints?
meh, what's the point if everything around it is terribad?
>>77843921
When it comes to corporate cape comics, I sideways liked Marvel more, but I read quite a bit of DC through the 90's and early 2000's. I bought into the nu52 but dropped most of it after a couple months. It was shit.
>>77845308
>I sideways liked Marvel more
>I bought into the nu52 but dropped most of it after a couple months
DC was too good for you?
>>77844153
Archer and Armstrong, Eternal Warrior, Ivar the Time Walker. I love the Anni-Padda bros.
>>77843557
>uses a /tv/ reaction image
>doesn't know that new 52 rejuvenated DC's entire line and that DC is heads and shoulders better than it has been since One Year Later/52
>likes Harley Quinn
>complains about shit he doesn't read
This class, is a casual. They pretend they like comic books but never actually read them because they are too lazy to read books that are given to children who have reading disabilities; using any excuse they can find, like the ones you see in this post.
>>77845327
DC was baller in the 90's but most of the reboot was terrible. Demolitioning all those years of foundational characterization was a mistake.
>>77845144
>supporting the horrendous recolor
>not already having read it several times
>>77844065
This is the 4chan I love, everyone go AnHero!
>>77845418
>This class, is a casual. They pretend they like comic books but never actually read them because they are too lazy to read books that are given to children who have reading disabilities; using any excuse they can find, like the ones you see in this post.
I read comics for thirty years. My spare room is filled with longboxes. Try again.
>>77845420
>foundational characterization
Capeshit is so DEEP and INTELLECHUL, yeah.
>>77845455
>I wasted thirty years of my life
>>77845420
There were like 7 good books before the reboot, we've had a ton of good books since. Anyone who thinks the reboot wasn't objectively a success for the quality of stories at the company is a faggot who values continuity over story.
>>77845455
Doesn't sound like you read DC from 2007-2012 if you think the reboot is shit. Much better than that miserable era for the company.
>>77845512
>he liked Amazons Attack
>>77845512
Actually, I haven't said a goddamn thing about the quality of the New 52. I even explicitly said I give zero fucks if it's the best written stories they've ever put out (I have no idea, because other than a little Green Lantern after the reboot, I haven't read any New 52).
Because those aren't my characters. They erased my characters and made new ones. I don't appreciate that and I'm not going to support it. They want to tell stories with the original characters, they can have my money again.
>>77843557
>Barry as Flash
>bad
Kill urself my man
>>77845551
>NOT MUH CHARACTERS
Fine, go read Convergence then.
>>77844905
Different anon, but how it ended was pretty trash.
>>77845572
Barry was Flash for the first few years I was a comic reader, so I really don't have anything against him and wouldn't mind if he came back at all.
It's the demotion of Wally and then racechanging him that really pisses me off about all that.
>>77845487
I agree that the years just prior to the reboot were shit, but I don't agree that things have improved dramatically, but admittedly the creators of very few books even interest me. I wish more DC books interested me. I'm only reading Martian Manhunter right now. I bought an issue of Cyborg but I've never given a fuck about the character and I still havent read it. Dr. Fate was disappointing, I really wanted to like it.
>>77845618
>Wally West
>a conservative who hates the classics of literature
Stay in Hell, Wally.
>>77845551
You mean it's not the sam continuity right? Because the characters still all have the same characterization.
>>77843557
You sound like a huge turd
>>77845573
Well unless I misunderstand what Convergence was (and feel free to correct me) that didn't undo the character substitutions and changes that New 52 brought in, right? Didn't it just bring back in a few pre-New 52 characters and traits or something?
>>77845573
Most of Convergence was phoned in and shitty. I bought a bunch of it. A lot of the art was real bad. The LoSH book was awful.
>>77845551
Just read the old stories then. I doubt you've read every DC comic ever written, you still have tons of stuff to go back to
If it's about character rather than story you sti
>>77845650
>You mean it's not the sam continuity right?
Yes. And I would argue that makes them different characters. For example, Old Man Logan is still essentially Logan, but he's not the same character.
>Because the characters still all have the same characterization.
Not from what I've seen. And even so, the erasing of continuity still makes them different characters.
>>77845687
>Most of Convergence was phoned in and shitty
The oldfag will love it then.
>>77845690
I do, somewhat, but a lot of that older stuff really hasn't aged well.
>>77845714
>not from what I've seen
Considering you have already said you don't read the comics, you can go fuck yourself.
You clearly have a mentality of "New 52 is shit, NOT MUH NOT MUH" and you can take it somewhere else. Read the comics and complain with valid evidence or don't and shut the fuck up. I fucking hate "fans" like you.
>>77845715
Know-nothing, newfaggot casuals ruin everything.
>>77845752
Then fuck off, DC doesn't exist to cater to you.
>>77845714
What about books like Kingdom Come or Superman: Red Son.
I'd argue that OML Wolverine is the exact same character just put into a different situation.
Your argument is retarded
>>77845551
But then you're the original cancer, you're that disgusting fucker that keeps buying Spiderman or Batman because it's MUH CHARACTER and not because of the story, killing actually good books. I for one am glad you're gone off this hobby.
>>77844127
You are a fucking shit stain, holy fuck.
>>77845838
But you're literally an unironically a Big Two reader who only buys the most well known books for the most well known characters. Being old doesn't make you any less of a casual, newfaggot or shitter, it just makes you current situation sadder.
>>77843557
Go to bed, grandpa.
>>77845795
>Considering you have already said you don't read the comics
Why would I read comics about new characters I give zero shits about? I might as well read some indie bullshit with new characters from a publisher that didn't erase characters I loved.
>>77845908
>What about books like Kingdom Come or Superman: Red Son.
Those are great books, but they are literally different characters.
I don't think you understand what a new character is.
>>77845924
>But then you're the original cancer, you're that disgusting fucker that keeps buying Spiderman or Batman because it's MUH CHARACTER and not because of the story
No, I wouldn't read a shitty story with a character I love. I dropped Spiderman after Brand New Day, for example, and that was still my Spiderman.
Beautiful strawman, though.
all this DC apologism, /co/. what happened to you?
>>77846059
That wasn't a strawman, you're still that guy. You hated BND because it messed with your precious canon, not because it was low quality shit like 90% percent of Spidey's stories. If anything, it just confirms your status as a useless manchild. Do you have a career?
>>77845963
You're confusing me with a different anon.
>>77845623
This is also me. I only pulled Supes during Busiek and then Robinson. Never pulled Bats. But I bought all of Giffen Beetle. You don't know me or my purchases.
>>77846046
The characterization is the same though cunt
>>77846088
>c-c'mon guys, everyone else is a continuityfag here too right?
>>77843557
>Thinking New 52 was bad
When will this meme die?
>Animal Man
>Aquaman
>Batman
>JL
>Superman Unchained
>Multiversity
>Grayson
>Forever Evil
That's just off the top of my head.
>>77846026
Then shut the fuck up. Stop complaining about shit you don't read. Read the old books, if you don't like those, maybe you don't enjoy the characters as much as you think you do?
>>77846133
4 books out of the initial wave. That's less than 10%.
>>77846088
Maybe /co/mrades started posting more and the /co/mblr's like yourself were left behind.
OP,story trumps continuity.
Also, for somebody who's "read"comics for thirty years as you claim, not learning that creative teams are the true driving force behind books rather than the characters after so long is truly worrisome. You're saying you'd read official fanfic written by brownies if it featured your favorite characters over well written stories written by great teams featuring different characters because they want to shake things up a little bit.
What's even worse is in the last thirty years characters have changed immensely and you still can't make a distinction between characterizations unless they change color.
And for somebody who isn't a casual, the fact that you can't tell that amazing Spiderman is and always will be the main book in the long term males you retarded
>>77846159
What is your point? Still better than what we've gotten at Marvel in a long ass time. Also pre reboot I don't think there were more than 10% of great books either. So suck a dick.
>Tfw I'm an X fan
It hurts.
>>77846159
Those are the great books, on the initial lineup the only terrible books we only had about 8 bad books, where in the dying days of regular universe your bread and butter comics were just TERRIBLE. I'm sorry but this is not a matter of opinion, you just sound absolutely clueless, go to a more mainstream shitty website if you want to talk to other shit eaters.
>>77846195
You guys got Legion I guess, had a good run as far as modern Marvel is concerned.
>>77846195
My point is that less than 10% isn't a great deal of quality. I've consistently bought more than 4 Marvel titles in that same period.
Also, X-men was always terrible and you're a faggot.
>>77843740
you have literally decades of stories to reread then. Why not let them try something different?
I don't piss and moan about Fast and the Furious because I like Indiana Jones more. I just rewatch Raiders.
>>77846159
>initial wave
Swamp Thing
Action Comics
Jonah Hex
Flash
Wonder Woman
Batwing
Captain Atom
Batwoman
Batman and Robin
Green Lantern
GLC
Red Lanterns
Demon Knights
Dial H
OMAC
Frankenstein
>>77846313
Well looking at the original New52 lineup, I see Animal Man, Aquaman, Batman, Batwoman, Action Comics, Demon Knights, Flash, Frankenstein, Green Lantern, New Guardians, Justice League Dark, OMAC, Swamp Thing and Wonder Woman, that's 14 books no one should be ashamed to have in their pull list, and that was before culling a lot of shit and getting Dial H, Earth 2, Batman Inc, Unchained...
>>77846313
But you clearly know absolutely nothing if you think those were the only 4 good books
fuck off casual
>>77846313
Have you? Then you're a fucking idiot. What titles? Let's grade your terrible fucking opinion.
>>77846373
Oh yeah, and Batman and Robin, All Star Western, Captain Atom and Batwing, so that's actually 18.
>>77844566
Cho the artist is good
Cho the character is not
Pak is also not good on Hulk generally
>>77846393
Dude as shit as marvel is right now and as retarded as the person you're responding to is, there have definitely been 4 good books at Marvel since new52
Every fanboy loves an era of DC comics
It just so happens that the era a lot of older fans like are being called racist and problematic now
So yeah that's where we are enjoy PC comics
>>77846661
You sound retarded.
>>77846597
I can only recall 2.
>Thor God of Tunder
>Uncanny Avengers
>???
>???
You try to say Xmen and I will Bendis the Bendis out of your Bendising sister.
>>77844876
You know, as much as I dislike the direction of Marvel at the moment, /co/ really is talking out of its ass at the moment.
Marvel in recent years have had their numbers and their share of the market increase steadily and greatly. DC, who have not tried the strategy as much, have shrunk.
Fuck, look at the best selling comics this year. They're all mostly Marvel. Now, granted, Marvel has a successful cinematic universe as well as the Star Wars comics on their side - but even comics that were relative unknowns until recently have been outselling some of DC's mainstays.
Marvel fans eat up avengers shit and ask for more with a smile
DC fans kick and scream when DC gives them more Batman and JL shit
DC gives them new characters they pitch a fit
DC gives them old characters they whine about continuity
Its no secret DC hates its older fans at this point
>>77846742
Dude popular commercial success does not equate to quality in any way shape or form. I don't give a rats ass about what their market share is doing, I want quality fucking stories.
>>77846701
WaiDDevil, Xmen Legacy, arguably Hawkguy or Hickman Spacevengers?
>>77846778
So? He was discussing sales. The whole reply line was discussing sales.
>>77846778
The post I quoted was LITERALLY about the economical success of the company. Are you illiterate? Or do you think going bust does not have anything to do with how well the comics are selling?
EVERY time I point out that that point is people talking out their ass, one of you motherfuckers says this. And I agree - most of my pull-list is DC at the moment. But it still doesn't stop the fact that /co/ makes shit up because it suits their world view.
>>77846802
Which is retarded. When you have to resort to sales figures for why a company is good while pretty much their entire line isn't very good there is a problem.
>>77846768
You're confusing the two dozen guys on /co/ who have ever touched a physical comic with the overral shit eating public, who absolutely will buy as many Batbooks as you give them. DC just can't compete with Marvel turning their whole comic line into a trendy accessory for the "hardcore" blockbuster movie LELSOGEEK enthusiasts.
>>77846819
Again, no one was discussing quality, of books or companies. Just talking about sales. If you can't handle that, just don't reply.
>>77846778
Well you care about quality but DC was told to care about money
The reboot happened because so many of their properties were shit and needed to be revamped the fact that so many of them are still shit is on DC but some blame goes to the fans as well for craving the same shitty cancerous characters that caused the reboot
>>77846839
This entire thread is about quality of books. That's my point. Sales discussion has no business in an artistic medium. No one ever talks about how well a publishing company of a successful book is doing in reference to the quality of the story.
>>77846852
>HarleyXIvy fag
>Trying to talk about boring characters
This has gotta be bait.
>>77846856
You have no point. Just click back, watch the discussion you entered in and realize contributed nothing. Seriously, it's easy. Just look at the replied posts all the way back to that bait with the Archer image.
>>77846856
The thread is about the status of the industry. Observe.
>Why comics not how I like
>Because sells better when pander to this demographic
>That not work, that dumb
>All evidence indicates it does work
>IT ABOUT QUALITY
It's very simple. The reason comics are like this at the moment is because it works.
When it stops working, comics will change. But it doesn't look to be doing that very soon.
>>77846877
I do have a point. Stop fucking bringing up sales on a comics and cartoon board. Go to /biz/ to discuss sales. No one gives a shit that Marvel is doing well commercially when I can't even fucking read a good Xmen or Spider-Man book.
>>77846900
You have reading comprehension issues, OP was mad comics changed, not discussing their quality. Somewhere down the line, unrelated to OP's discussion some guy stated that Marvel sells well, their tactics work, then you barged in with a completely unrelated problem.
Would you please do these reading comprehension tests and post back the results?
http://www.majortests.com/sat/reading-comprehension.php
>>77845487
There hasn't been a lot of good books since the reboot. Tge Young Justice line, the Edge line and the Dark line are pretty much all bad with very few gems here and there. The Green Lantern line became a LOT worse, the Batman line overall became worse too, the Superman continued to be mediocre and the Justice League is mediocre too.
>>77843557
I recall a past era when
>Batman was in bright yellow and blue armor with red cape tassels
>Superman was a blue energy being
>Green Lantern was an unsure mexican guy that never stopped self loathing to win a fight with anyone
>the JLA did not have a single big 7 member on it
>Wonder Woman was a redhead that used a bow
>Aquaman was a bearded hook hand pirate caveman
>Martian Manhunter was a black guy
>Dr Fate was an edgy Crow ripoff that used glowing daggers
And on the other side
>Absolutely everyone in Marvel had ammo pouches and and guns, including Thor and Spiderman
>Everyone had a brown leather jacket or coat over their costume
>Namor was a shaggy savage guy
>Hulk was a supergenius
>Invisible Woman wore a fetish cutout version of the FF costume
>Daredevil had a silver and blue armor costume
>Captain America had football pad inspired armor
>Wolverine was more feral than Beast with bone claws
>Wasp was a pink mutated insect hybrid
>Stark was an edgy teen
>Punisher was a divine powered demon hunter
>Thor, Hank Pym, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, and Hercule got costume makerovers with bare midriffs and lots of long Fabio hair
Everyone on both sides was required to be "super hardcore badass" with purposely non-symmetrical costumes, cigars, 5 o' clock shadow, ammo pouches, hair in every direction, and lots of brooding poses where they looked directly at the reader. Typically with a glowing energy filled hand outstretched.
>>77846133
Aquaman and Batman was just OK, JL is bad to mediocre, Superman Unchained was mediocre and constantly delayed, Multiversity was a disappointment due to hype, Forever Evil was OK.
The only one i can say that is good is Grayson, but not to the point that /co/ thinks.
>>77846365
>Flash
>Batwing
>Captain Atom
>Batwoman
>Green Lantern
>GLC
>Red Lanterns
>Demon Knights
>OMAC
>Frankenstein
Mediocre to bad.
>Action Comics
>Jonah Hex
>Wonder Woman
>Batman and Robin
>Dial H
Good to mediocre. In the case of Wonder Woman good to horrible.
>>77846373
There's a lot of mediocre and bad books there. Shit like JLD. What a horrible, horrible book.
>>77847594
Okay but even you oh god of patricians with your oh so superior taste, must acknowledge that these books are leagues better than the books pre reboot.
>>77848469
Right before the reboot? Yes. Maybe not in the case of Batman and Green Lantern books which took a turn for the worse immediately after the reboot, but yeah.
>>77844418
Forget it, man. People love Morrison and Pak's Action. God only knows why.
If I had to guess it's that it's been so long since there's been a solid Superman run people don't remember what it looks like.f they had said Geoff Johns's all-too-short Superman run, that would have been an acceptable response.
>>77848599
Can you explain what's wrong with those runs or why you don't think they're good Superman stories?
>>77846852
>The reboot happened because so many of their properties were shit and needed to be revamped
I could go to fucking church on this statement.
Revamp and reboot are not the same thing. The status quo of superhero comics is infinitely malleable. You can literally do anything. You want to make Superman powerless? Go for it. You want to give Lois superpowers? Go for it. You want Clark to quit the Planet? Go for it.
So if all these things can be done in the context of the current status quo, why in the hell do we need reboots? If DC had wanted the Kents dead, they could have just killed off Martha. If they'd wanted Clark to work at the Daily Star, just fucking do it. There is literally nothing you can do with a reboot that you can't also do in the current continuity. Reboots are lazy, and worse, they're disrespectful. Not only are you saying that the past doesn't matter, you're tacitly claiming that you can do it better. It disrespects the creators and it disrespects the fans.
Fuck reboots.
>>77848653
Morrison does an okay-ish job with the origin story. It's pretty muddled and doesn't hold a candle to other contemporary Superman origins, but there's nothing overly offensive about it beyond stupid editorial decisions like killing off the Kents and making Superman "more edgy".
After that shit goes off the rails and devolves into standard Morrison fare where the subtext and meta-message take precedence over telling a coherent story. Basically it's Morrison in his comfort zone, alienating anyone that isn't a Morrison fan.
Pak's run is... alright I guess. He writes Clark a bit too Peter Parker-ish IMO. He's in his own head to much and he MOPES. CONSTANTLY. Pak's run would be a lot better if it was given room to breathe and not dragged into every goddamn crossover event shoved down our throats, but this is the world we live and this is the run we've got. And as it stands, it's kind of a jumbled mess.
>>77843813
How do you even define "more active"? Parker still has 3 books, and ASM is published more often than Spider-man. He's also pretty involved in 2099, right?
>>77843557
>tfw marvelfag and realising that DC did a better and less forced job of reinventing their characters
The only new Marvel stuff I've enjoyed are the Star Wars comics, I just can't get behind the progressive changes they keep pushing in their cape stories.
>>77845232
I really don't see how thats a problem, but Thor, which isn't a title but Thor's actual name, is fine.
>>77843557
>Am I ever going to be able to read comics from the Big Two again?
Probably
You've been accustomed to shit comics all of your life, more will come your way eventually.
>>77848999
>tfw marvelfag and realising that DC did a better and less forced job of reinventing their characters
What do you mean?
A while back someone even told me DC handles "diversity" better than Marvel, and I still don't know what they mean.
>>77843557
You've never read a single comic in your life and you reek of /pol/
>>77849030
They called Eric Masterson Thor
So Thor has been a title for a while.
>>77849194
I guess it's because I never gave a shit about DC so their changes don't make me upset.
>>77849030
Because of the precedent of Beta Ray Bill and Eric Masterson both being Thor. I even mention this in the post you quoted.
>>77849309
I don't really get this either.
(someone probably already said something like this in the thread but whatever)
A lot of what people complain about isn't new at all so I sort of really don't get why it's bothering people so much now or how this is the "final straw" for some people when if these are the things making people quit Marvel or DC they should have been done with them a long time ago.
>>77847436
Fucking this. I'm picturing some dude in the 60's yelling about how Hal Jordan's a piece of shit cashgrab and how they should've stuck with Alan Scott.
>>77848518
Green Lantern didn|t drop off till issue 21, and even then it|s still an above average book, plus at the same point in time, Soule picked up Red Lanterns and made it go from mediocre to quite good.
>>77847436
DC managed to write better books though.
>>77843557
>harley's a slutty suicide girl model
Kek.
