Is there anyone in the world that actually likes the new design better? Also, what's with the trend of turning classic comic book heroes black these days? It just seems kinda pointless and jarring. I mean do all the new color/sex change heroes even sell or is it just appeasing a certain group of notorious complainers?
I like the design a lot and would totally fap to it
but that's not Power Girl
>>68545154
The new Power Girl is a new character
they didn't turn Karen black
Quit reading capeshit, my man.
>>68545275
This. I don't like minority characters replacing established characters. I'd rather have them given their own identity. Maybe work them as a sidekick or a partner.Of the sexual variety.
Those are two different characters with the same codename.
It's called a legacy.
Nobody turned black.
Nobody EVER turns black except Lois Lane and Punisher.
>>68545296
So it's DC's Ms.Marvel then and not another Wally West.
>>68545154
It's not a redesign you fucking moron.
Karen still fucking exists and she's still power girl. The new girl co-exixts with her i the same way that Barry Allen co-exists with Jay Garrick.
Having read the proceeding books and knowing who she is, yes, I like the character.
Do I like her 'better'? Better than what? The other character THAT STILL FUCKING EXISTS AND IS STILL ONGOING IN OTHER BOOKS?
As I'm pretty sure I said the last two times you made this thread, I don't think I understand 'liking' characters in quite the same way you do. And quite possibly one of us needs professional help over it.
Why the boobs are on top of her head?
>>68545296
is this just DC doing the Ms Marvel thing?
>>68545296
If she's a new character why is her name Power Girl?
Oh right, blackwashing.
>>68545442
Ms. Marvel wasn't the first unrelated minority legacy character.
They've been doing those since the 80's
>>68545154
I don't mind Lucy Cage at all, she could be fun.
But I still want more of pre-52 solo series PeeGee.
Her previous ID crisis mini really helped define her character as someone not only away from her true home but painfully superfluous in this universe as well.
It was pretty damn hammy (fill my hole and all) but it mixed up the right amounts of comedy and drama.
It was a great reference point to build her solo series on and I was sad to see it go. Lighthearted silver-agey fun starring the invincible woman who struggles to build a life of her own.
>>68545454
Because Karen went back to Earth 2
>>68545154
Black guy here.
Agree 100%. I don't get the whole changing race thing either. Why not just do something with a black hero like Vixen?.......
There are plenty of black heroes, why not actually try to do something with them?
>>68545454
Because she is a female version of Power Man :^)
>>68545154
Guys, guys! What if she's not an alternate universe version of Karen and she's actuallyRule 63 Luke Cage!
>>68545508
>>68545482
Dang, seems I was a bit slow on the draw there.
>Lucy Cage
I like it.
Can we get some black capes who aren't geniuses and/or electric?
Wasn't there a new black Teen Titan that they killed off in, like, issue #3 or something?
>>68545454
She literally worked with and got her powers directly from...you know what, nevermind. Assuming you're not baiting you're almost certainly never going to change your mind, so why do we bother having this discussion every. fucking. day. four. fucking. times. a fucking. day.
Even if you're right, you lost. It's over, man. It's fucking history. If that's so incredibly terrible, gargle a fucking bullet. Otherwise, can we just put this shit to bed already?
Meanwhile, Bumblebee goes unused and unwanted.
>caring even a little about anything related to New 52 Teen Titans
Impossible
>>68545614
What's she in that's good?
Only ever saw her in her minor 52 appearance.
>>68545367
There's nothing wrong with legacy characters being minorities. It's only obnoxious when you turn a previously non-minority into a minority like you're fucking embarrassed by a character being white.
>>68545603
I find it a bit odd that you keep ranting about this 1 really big idiot arguing with you every day when it's probably multiple different people. The problem being that your assumption that it's the same 1 person constantly arguing with you would also make you a moron.
>>68545573
And then she came back, and she was Amanda Waller's daughter, maybe, unclear.
>>68545154
why is she a niggress
>>68545417
So, who the fuck is she then?
>>68545654
So only white characters can take up the mantle of white characters?
>>68545154
>I mean do all the new color/sex change heroes even sell
Ms.Marvel sells well in digital I heard.
That's three threads today.
Why are people only just discovering this character? Did CNN do a story on it which grabbed /pol/'s attention?
>>68545681
Why do you care?
>>68545603
Get a load of this liberal.
>>68545508
>>68545531
>>68545692
she was in the channel 52 ad page at the back of the books, which some people include in their storytimes.
>>68545689
Does pretty good in floppies too
>>68545654
That doesn't make sense.
It doesn't so much feel like they turned Power Girl black, as much as they turned her into a different fetish.
>>68545154
I'm a fan of chocolate power-girl
>>68545648
Her initial run in Teen Titans was okay, but she's one of those characters that are in stories but is rarely a focus in the story
>>68545667
> this 1 really big idiot
That's not what he said.
>>68545686
yes.
>>68545796
I assume that happened during Perez/Wolfman?
I still haven't gotten around to that.
>>68545154
>trend of turning white characters black
She just has the name dipshit, but whatever stay trying to stir up false controversy. I bet you drive by shitposted on this board too when Carol Danvers was 'turned into' Kamala Khan. In other words, fuck off.
So whats with all the people just discovering her today?
For some reason I thought the solicits and previews and actual issue came out and for once there was no big problem.
>>68545686
Would you have this same stance if, say, Black Panther was "legacied" into a white woman? Or Storm?
I wouldn't find it offensive, I would just find it fucking stupid because it seems like a change purely made to be progressive.Although let's be honest, changing anyone to a white person is "offensive" whereas changing a white person into a minority is "progressive"
Just leave character race alone. It's not interesting, impressive, or intellectual. It's just stupid race baiting attention whoring.
>>68545842
Combination of newfriends and shitposters, anon
>>68545692
I made this thread because I saw someone cosplaying the character a few days ago. I tried to look up the character based on appearance, googled it, and the top of the news list is her newest rendition being black, Captain America being black, Thor being a woman, and how they should make Iron Man gay. There you have it.
>>68545852
No, you porch monkey. She appeared at the end of every issue of DC's books today.
>>68545848
>Its always this argument with Black Panther
Low level quality.
Legacy heroes limited by race is just dumb either way you put it. Using the 2 heroes from fucking Africa as an example won't change that.
Is she kryptonian?
>>68545889
Except White Power Girl and Black Power Girl exist at the same time.
Also Iron Man should be gay, he's already a giant faggot as it is so gaying him up wouldn't make one whit of difference.
>>68545654
As it has been stated, Karen is still around. My issue is we get a black Power Girl (in addition to Karen), but Rocket and Icon remain unused. Same with >>68545614. Not even a Static Shock ongoing with an actually good writer.
The only way female and minority characters can be more than C-list heroes is by kicking out white males and slapping those names on the new characters. It's insincere but I know it's to generate sales while diversifying and appeasing a more diverse reader base.
Comic buyers fall for the worst trends and ignore actually good characters and comics.
>>68545842
Channel 52
>>68545473
So many people seem to forget that the 2nd captain marvel was a black woman
>>68545911
Technically. She's Vathlo-American, one of the few Vathlo Islanders who survived Krypton.
She's human you dumb cunt.
>>68545889
>I don't actually READ comics, but I'm terribly offended by them!
>>68545648
I liked her in giffen's doom patrol
>>68545906
So basically people here are no different than the "non reading SJW" they bitch about.
Jumping on something and trying to start a debate without actually having the info on whats happening.
Anyone who follows PG knows her status, going back months, and anyone who follows Teen Titans already knew about this and read about it.
>>68545848
>Would you have this same stance if, say, Black Panther was "legacied" into a white woman? Or Storm?
Yes, because I'm not retarded. All they need are strong ties to Wakanda or T'challa himself.
>Just leave character race alone. It's not interesting, impressive, or intellectual. It's just stupid race baiting attention whoring.
They are leaving it alone. Karen is still white.
Christ, she's even still Power Girl.
Bravo, Marvel.
>>68545916
I don't know about you, but I'd rather McDuffie not have to roll in his grave as his characters get raped by DC
>>68545907
>no rebuttal to Black Panther/Storm argument
I rest my case. Believe it or not, being dismissive is not an actual rebuttal.
>>68545848
>Black Panther
But there already is a white Black Panther
>>68545966
>Christ, she's even still Power Girl.
And appearing in more comics than this one is.
>>68545979
Tough shit. Maybe you shouldn't have killed him, then.
>>68545925
She was also the best character to take up Marv's name.
>>68545946
Not that guy, but seriously? She's not Kryptonian? Now I'm pissed.
>>68546037
Why would she be kryptonian, dumbass? There's only two black kryptonians.
>>68545983
Its a shitty example. It always is. For one, Storm isn't a legacy character or a mantle, so she's out of the equation.
And BP is more of a cultural question than race. It'd be stupid for a black american to take the mantle too. So yeah, it'd be a bit silly, like the Silver Samurai passing down the mantle to some kid from Jersey or something. Stop being fucking stupid.
>>68545508
I wish
>>68545697
The thread's about her. And it's not as if I've heard of her before. If there were a passionate fanboy who thinks YES. THIS CHARACTER IS AWESOME, they'd jump at the chance to explain or sell me on her, or even post hot pictures of her ass.
>>68545842
Some of us don't read solicts anon.
>>68545949
I never once claimed I was offended. I'm not. I asked if anyone actually liked the changes. And no, I don't read comics anymore. Based on the kind of lame shit I've glanced over, I'm glad I don't.
I haven't read comics since I was about 12. You can have all of my old Gambit, X-Men, and Moon Knight comics if you want though. They're in storage somewhere.
>>68545977
>Al Ewing will never write an Excalibur/MI13 ongoing
It hurts
>The "WHAT IS BP WAS WHITE" morons
Every time.
At least to try to make a little sense. Like use Sam or something. Yeah I'd love for Steve to take up the Falcon mantle.
>>68545983
Storm isn't really a character you can legacize if that's even a word. A white Black Panther would be fine if he's a native African from Wakanda
>>68546037
Why?
>>68545654
how can she even be a "legacy" character if Peeg isn't even dead or retired
>>68546117
because his wiki knowledge is invalidated now
>>68546130
She moved to a different world, and gave her her powers. Its pretty literal.
>>68546103
>Steve gets rejuvenated
>becomes the new Falcon instead of taking the shield back from Sam
I love it
>>68546150
>gave her her powers
She gave her money. The powers were an accident. In a lab. You illiterate.
>>68545979
Give all of Milestone for Johns to work on. I bet you he'd turn it around and the whole line up would be A to B listers.
>>68546064
>For one, Storm isn't a legacy character or a mantle, so she's out of the equation.
There is absolutely no reason she can't be. No super hero starts as a legacy character. And again, this doesn't address the actual argument. You can bet your ass people would be pissed if Storm were suddenly a white man.
>And BP is more of a cultural question than race. It'd be stupid for a black american to take the mantle too. So yeah, it'd be a bit silly, like the Silver Samurai passing down the mantle to some kid from Jersey or something.
It's cultural and race. You're being willfully ignorant to try and stress your point. You're pretending like these changes wouldn't be incredibly silly in reverse when the truth is that they are silly. They're done for no other reason than, as said, progressive attention whoring.
>Stop being fucking stupid.
You first.
Power Girl went back to Earth 2 undersiege. She's still around.
This new girl isn't PG racebent. A new character.
But oh no, we can't even used Static and Rocket anymore because DC is stupid.
>>68546103
Steven Colbert, right?
>>68546064
I dunno, they'd take a lot of heat for doing it, but I could see it. It worked for Iron Fist, after all. Sort of. Problem is, aside from heroeing it made that like...almost the only aspect of his character. His whole character revolved around either punching people, or punching people to defend his right to still be Iron Fist.
If they ever wanted to do a serious story with Wakanda, I could see it, but the problem is anything involving Wakanda opening it's borders/joining the rest of the world would screw up everything. Like on the level of all the asgardians deciding to move to Midgard and mingle, or Reed going all 'Information yearns to be free!' and putting all his inventions under Creative Commons license.
>>68545374
Well, and Wally.
>>68546182
>Falcon
>not Eagle
C'mon, anon.
>>68546055
>>68546117
>>68546131
Her taking a Kryptonian's title is offensive. If she's human she should have her OWN name. There are few Kryptonian's on earth and taking their roles in society only leads to further under-representation.
>>68545979
i'd rather them be doing something then doing nothing. but you can't just force these characters to do something you gotta get a writer who wants to use them
where is my Black and Blue ongoing
>>68546225
Kara forced it on her.
>>68546187
>It's cultural and race.
No, it is purely cultural. That all of Wakanda is black doesn't make it racial
Got any examples who aren't heavily rooted in Africa?
>>68546187
Black Panther has been white in the past
>>68545964
I said it the first time the news broke, and I'll say it again: the fact that Karen's alive and well means that this passing of the torch is already far above the current high water mark for legacies. And that statement is even more true today than it was in August.
>>68546182
I could actually see that. "What? Take the shield back? Uh...tell you what, you keep it for a year or two. I was just my grandfather for long enough to know that now that I'm young again I kind of don't want the responsibility for a bit. Plus, y'know, flying seems pretty cool. I want to try that."
>>68546260
Yet one more example of Kryptonian neo-imperialism. Even as a dead culture they leave scars on the rest of the galaxy.
there is as many black girls in DC being unused as there are blonde girls
>>68545367
>I don't like minority characters replacing established characters.
Black anon here, previously I didn't care about this because it was the only real way for minority characters to get out there. You know no one gives a fuck about new characters, I don't give a fuck about new characters, you don't give a fuck about new characters.
I agree with you now though. The argument that's often brought up to defend racebending is "Why does it matter if the personality is the same?" but a better argument against racebending is "What's the point?". If the character is white and their race doesn't matter, why change it after 50+ years?
There are some established characters though that if they were changed to being a minority it would be interesting (not really better though).
Like, if Steve Rogers was a black man, that would give his patriotism and love for America a lot more depth because he'd have to deal with racism. Steve shouldn't be changed to a black main in mainline continuity though, he's been around since 1941 that'd be fucking retarded.
TL; DR:
You're completely right, The Big 2 don't really need new characters though.
>>68546130
Power Girl is missing so she is replaced? Barry went missing (assumed dead, but actually wasn't!) when Wally took over. Same with Dick and Batman and Superman and the entire multiple Supermen arc and blah blah. Legacy characters replace non-dead/retired heroes all the time.
>>68545454
you either didn't bother reading the source or you're a master b8r. I remember reading a dump on /co/ about who she is and how she relates to the original Peej
>>68546295
the universe thought Batman and Barry as dead.
>>68546276
>"Think Hank could make a thing to let me talk to birds?"
>>68546291
But this is a new character using an old mantle.
>>68546295
>Power Girl is missing
No, she left. And as far as the things that actually matter go, she's still appearing in books.
>>68546187
Storm is a mutant who just happened to have powers. There's nothing to be passed down.
You'd have to create a character who's also a mutant, with her powerset, and then have him/her 'replace' Storm somehow. Its not as simple as wearing a certain costume or some shit.
The only X-Men who's kinda worked as a legacy is Wolverine, due to the many offspring/Weapon X copies running around.
>>68546331
Yeah, the codenames have become kind of a cultural thing for mutants. Almost all of them have one, even if they aren't heroes/villains.
Having a legacy for Storm or Nightcrawler or whoever would be weird.
I'm just happy to know that Hispanics and Asians are exactly the same as black people and should praise a company whenever they make a white character black. That is a win for all minorities.
>>68546187
Its culture man.
You fucked up and used the 2 characters that are steeped in "Being from Africa", and the only one with a working Legacy premise is from a place that is very stiff with outsiders.
This is why that stupid analogy never works. MOST of all these recent changes are American characters, and the demographics make it a bit more likely that "Random person in urban city" might be a minority.
Again, you're better off trying to compare it to Falcon or something.
>>68546291
I agree with you, but it's a bit sad that it's basically impossible to win in this scenario. What kind of amazing design would have to be made for a new black superhero to really stand out enough these days to actually make it?
Because otherwise the only way to try and "solve" the issue is to have black characters take up traditionally white mantles. It's really an issue of comic book readers being hesitant to give newer heroes enough time to really flesh out.
>>68546291
None of these characters actually turn black, you moron.
>>68546308
They had literally planned Batman's return during Final Crisis. No one actually believed Batman was staying dead. Barry I'll give you but, hey, retcons!
>>68546291
They're different people...
>>68546440
the readers knew he wasn't dead, but everyone in his universe didn't
>>68546279
>you will never have a harem of inter-dimensional cousins that want to bang you
Why God why
>>68546425
Why is the only race anyone cares about black?
It should be noted that the idea of Steve and Sam swapping Identities is fucking awesome.
>>68546472
Right but the universe isn't the one who plans the stories.
>>68546495
In America?
Because they were shit on the most here.
Or at least we pretend they were.
We practically ignore the existence of Native Americans.
>>68546500
>Sam stays Cap
>Steve becomes Eagle
>American Eagle becomes salty
>>68546317
>>68546463
Yeah, I know.
I was ignoring that.
>>68546425
It's really institutionalized racism combined with the fact we often don't give new heroes a chance, but it can be done, and hopefully one day I'll be successful at it.
>>68546495
Shut the fuck up, what he said applies to all minorities characters.
>>68546533
Exactly. We also massively abused Chinese and Japanese immigrants for years. Fuck, they turn Wally half black to add some diversity but forget that by doing this whole fucking ordeal they killed off his korean wife and two half korean kids. But no one gives a shit about the chinks!
>>68546093
This has to be bait
>>68546331
Hulkling, Wiccan, the new power man, ect ect.
>>68546500
Good characters, with good artists and writers, and I'm on board no mater what the pantone of skin color is.
However I gave up on most nu 52 titles after a bout of gail simone, static abuse and food poisoning, and have no clue who the hell the new girl is. Just some random kryptonian?
>>68545154
oh wow she's a black girl now that's a huge surprise. i'm really glad dc is FINALLY getting on the diversity train like marvel.
>>68546552
>I was ignoring that.
So you admit that your argument is stupid and baseless?
>>68546500
It really kind of is. I would love to see Steve have some time off to decompress and live his life. He basically lost 50+ years frozen and then spent the time since being slammed by responsibility and one emergency after another. If I got suddenly old and then became young again...yeah, I'd re-evaluate. I mean, it's Steve, if there was an emergency you know he'd step up and do his part, but he's man enough to admit he's not the only one capable of shouldering all the responsibilities he took on.
Legacies should be able to work around an use any race.
Actual race swaps like Wally tend to be white/black because they tend to be able to share the same names. Not that its impossible for Asian Wally West, it just means he's probably mixed.
![Power_Man_USM_00[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/JHvaHnB.png "Power_Man_USM_00[1].png")
I liked it better when it was Power Man.
>>68546425
Patience. That's the problem, though. Look at teen heroes. Most of the popular ones are legacy characters but after time they crafted their own identities and got fans because they have been around for a long time.
The Big 2 don't have that patience to keep a character built up so that they can stand on their own. If they consistently dedicated their stories to adding to minority characters rather than making new ones or assigning them popular heroes' names then there'd be more that had their own identity.
Blue Beetle (Jaime) and Static could be those characters, but instead they get shafted with bad writing and ignored because of it.
>>68546495
Because they are the more visible, asian or hispanic in comic book look white 75% of the time.
>>68546557
>But no one gives a shit about the chinks!
That's pretty true.
Can't remember the last time I saw an Asian regular on a TV show.
>>68546533
At least Native Americans got reparations and don't really have to go through racism anymore, a lot of time people assume they're white because of how light some of them are.
>>68545648
If you count the Young Justice tv show, she's in season 2. She barely contributes, but she's in it
>>68546570
It's not. Why would you assume it's bait? Is it because I don't read comics anymore and that absolutely shocks you or is it because I had the audacity to read Moon Knight comics when I was a little boy?
>>68546629
Heroes.
Also, they do better in movies. They're usually badass fighters and all about honor. Black characters are just loud and dumb and die all the time.
>adapt to this
Still mad.
>>68546596
No, I don't actually because I didn't make an argument it was just a long ass post of me saying "Hey anon, I agree with you".
>>68546527
in the comics Dick wasn't running around as Batman when Bruce was in the comics, at least until he came back at least. Peeg and Black Power are still both around, Peeg is even in several, even more books than Black Power
>>68546671
why are you here if you don't read comics
>>68545154
the MOST annoying thing about this isn't her race, or her 'appropriation of the name' crap, it's that shefucking looks like mickey mouse.
I mean if they do ever have that shot (that every hero has at some point) ofher silhouette as she is in shadow, it will look fucking ridiculous
>>68546624
I'm pretty sure most people just forgot she was asian for a long time, including the colorists and artists. Or maybe they just can't draw anything but caucasian features because that's what they're practiced with.
>almost every superhero in the world is American
>"diversity"
I appreciate the rare comic that shows other countries having active cape communities and the rarer comic where they aren't shit.
>>68546738
It's a hairstyle.
https://www.google.com/search?q=afro+puffs&num=30&safe=off&es_sm=91&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=VQCuVOOzC4L8yQT3qIGICQ&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=701
Natural hair is in right now.
>>68546762
maybe other Counties should make their own Superheroes if they care that much.
>>68546790
but why are you on /co/ at all.
>>68546624
they also rarely make Arabs actually look Arab, but more like Africans
>>68546791
Right. My point still stands. It still looks fucking ridiculous.
>>68545154
>White character gets temporarily replaced by white legacy character
>Some people are mad about it, most are pretty chill or even like the new person better (DickBats, Wally West, etc)
>White character gets replaced by black legacy character
>WHITE CHARACTERS ARE UNDER ATTACK THEY USED TO BE 99% OF SUPERHEROES NOW THEY ARE 97%
>>68546699
Like, ignoring that they have to literally do things the way they've always done them (They don't), you're moving the goalposts a lot. First it's what the "universe" believes happened, now it's relative to how many comics they're in. There's a million GLs running around at all times and they're all legacy characters, don't see why that's a problem. It's not like they haven't had characters hold the same title simultaneously in different comics. Barry and Jay are running around even though Barry is Jay's legacy character with the exact same hero title. This was the case Pre-crisis with Wally and Jay, too.
>>68546624
>>68546750
Psylocke is technically white.
It's sad how the most popular Asian superhero is actually a white woman that swapped bodies with an Asian person.
>>68546832
Wally was around for 30 years before replacing Barry and Dick was around for like 60. These weren't sudden additions made almost entirely, transparently, because DC is embarrassed that they don't have enough niggers running around.
>>68546832
reminder, Jason Todd was killed for the sin of not being Dick.
>>68546815
>Thinking being Arab and being African are mutually exclusive
>Thinking all of Africa is Sub-Saharan
>What is Tunisia, Algreria, Egypt...
>>68546814
I'm not really on /co/ so much as just in this one thread that I made, and I already explained why I made it. I'm more interested in the actual social/political side of these comics than the comics themselves. Don't worry, I won't be back after this thread dies. I just like having the occasional discussion with ragingly angry caustic nerds.
>>68546834
>There's a million GLs running around at all times and they're all legacy characters
uh no they're not, they're a team of space police. it'd be like saying that every police man is apart of some legacy. everyone who isn't the in comic media always refers to them by their name. Batman calls Hal and Guy, Hal and Guy, but they don't refer to him as Bruce, but as Batman
>>68546869
>is technically white.
You say it yourself,not her body, she should be draw as an asian.
>>68546872
>DC is embarrassed that they don't have enough niggers running around.
How dare they not be proud of having 97% white characters. Classic white guilt.
>>68546629
>>68546680
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOutgc-GG6g
And John Cho was in Selfie but that got cancelled.
>>68546762
They tried giving us diversity with Great Ten. It sold so bad they cut it to 9 issues.
>>68546791
I would eat a cereal called "afro puffs"
>>68545154
I like the new design better, Power Girl 1 doesn't have a very good design aside from massive tits
>>68546933
>Great Ten
>diversity
I mean, yeah, if your idea of representation is a bunch of characters created by a guy with a hate-on for East Asia
>>68546920
I dunno, but they shouldn't be distressed by the fact that Wally or Peej was white. Wally literally specifically represented middle america, but they turned him into an inner city hoodlum street criminal who hates authority figures and was ditched by his dad when he was born. Now that's actually embarrassing.
>>68546937
Yeah, blonde hair is shit.
>>68546887
>>What is Tunisia, Algreria, Egypt...
Caucasian
>>68546920
Why should it matter if most of their superheroes are white if race doesn't matter?
>>68546988
Why should it matter if they want to change that if it doesn't matter?
>>68546978
>>68546887
forgot pic
>>68545603
>americans will defend this and think this is good writing.
Stay cuck, mayne.
>>68547002
if they're changing what's not broken they're clearly doing it for a reason
>>68547002
If you want to change something then the change clearly matters. If it did not matter then it would not occur to change them.
>>68546895
>I just like having the occasional discussion with ragingly angry caustic nerds.
Try being a bit more subtle.
>>68546937
I like how the old design had that solid white negative space and was so sleek and simple. But I disliked how some artists exaggerated the keyhole to shit until it just looked silly. The size of this one is better, but it's only a matter of time before subsequent artists make embiggen it to show everything but her nipples, as well.
>>68547002
Consistency. Now answer mine. If race doesn't matter, why would you care about 97% of their superheroes being white? Them being white should not be detrimental to your enjoyment of their comics or the hero. Unless you are racist.
>>68546895
So this is bait.
>>68546972
Of course red is the superior hair color
>tfw the most well know redhead super-heroin is only know because she die every month and is possessed by a giant fire bird
We need more redhead heroin, why so racist big 2?
>>68546750
It probably doesn't help that her surname is "Braddock", and her brother is the whitest superhero alive.
>>68546963
I'm not disagreeing that what they did to Wally was shit. First of all, they changed everything but the name. Second of all, they made the DC Universe more "diverse" by adding a black character with black stereotypes.
If they changed Karen, they did it way back in Mr. Terrific #1 at the beginning of the reboot. This new character is not Karen. It's a legacy character.
Legacy characters almost always revert to the "original," so why not enjoy this temporary version on its own merits (if she's written well-- I dunno, I'm not reading whatever she's in) instead of complaining about race when it's not even the issue here?
>>68547046
>Try being a bit more subtle.
About what? Are you denying that this board is filled with ragingly angry caustic nerds? Because it is. I mean, I'm nerdy too, but about different shit.
You guys are assholes. This is obvious. Like 80% of 4chan is about being an asshole.
>>68547095
Nah, I like short black hair.
>We need more redhead heroin, why so racist big 2?
You're not funny.
>>68547035
>>68547037
>>68547064
But change will always happen in some form. New characters will always show up. Them all not being white shouldn't matter then right?
>>68547117
One thing I don't understand, why the fuck did they name that nigga "Mr.Terrific"?
That's gotta be the shittiest supehero name of all fucking time.
>>68545154
>that new design
>>68547110
You're just upset that the most popular African character DC has is Gorilla Grodd.
>>68547092
Define "bait". If you mean I intentionally crafted this thread to get angry replies and had no genuine interest in the responses, that's wrong. It's just that you guys get mad about everything. It's expected. I at least get honesty here.
>>68547117
I've got no problem with a new legacy character being a minority. All for it, really. I just wish they'd care about minorities that aren't black people when they're doing all the race insertion.
I'm mostly pissed about character changes and erasures surrounding Wally more than him being black even if him being black makes all th changes to him hilariously racist. And also the inevitable time when his power becomes superspeed even more shortsightedly racist.
>>68547149
now you're just talking out of your ass
>>68545154
I honestly would not have a problem with the new design IF IT WEREN'T FOR THOSE STUPID FUCKING SHIT BALLS ON HER HAIR!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHH! SHIT!!!! THEY'RE SO FUCKING UGLY!!!
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>>68547197
How so? Its DC, Legacy character will happen. If you're taking the "Why should it matter" angle, then why does it matter if the new character taking over are some minorities?
>>68547149
>trying this hard to be intentionally obtuse and play around obvious pointless "progressive" changes
Really, it's not that people care that the character is black. They care that they're usually changed for no real reason or they're changed for some retarded diversity quota(which is, in itself, racist).
And these aren't really new characters since they're essentially using an old design. They're just a variation.
>>68545154
Damn this is like the 3rd thread today. So why'd people wait until today to get assblasted over this and not months ago when she took over?
Let me guess, faggots don't actually read the comic and just found out.
>>68546978
>>68547007
>Implying there is a clear distinction between Arab and white
>>68546988
>Implying I said race doesn't matter
>Implying there is only one sense of the word "matter"
If certain races are routinely underrepresented, whether on purpose or through latent systemic processes, then race matters.
When people say "race doesn't matter," they typically mean "people shouldn't be judged on their race," not "lol who cares if one race gets everything that doesn't seem like a problem to me lol you think race matters?"
>>68547208
I hate that shit, too. It doesn't help that it looks like they just photoshopped some Tribbles onto New 52 Amanda Waller.
>>68547190
>It's just that you guys get mad about everything
It's just that we have thread like that every fucking time, Ultimae spider-man is black, we have thread like that,Thor became a woman, we have thread like that, Falcon became Captain America, we have thread like that etc..
And they are always started by people who don't read comics, because if they did they would know that shit like that happen all the time.
So yes people will get mad in thread like that because they are tired of those thread and also can't stop taking the fucking bait.
>>68547277
>Really, it's not that people care that the character is black.
Thats exactly what it is though.
Its a new character at that. We're not even dealing with a Wally scenario. I only see people get this worked up over Legacy heroes when they're minorities, or when its a big gun like Batman/Spiderman changing.
No one would be asking "why did they change this???" if PG just passed the title to a younger blonde.
>>68547229
i'm saying that the "its going to happen anyway" mentality is total bullshit. we wouldn't have known if there would have been any type of legacy for Peeg, she's an almost 40 year old character and had no such successor ever and could have most defiantly gone another without one
>>68547064
>What was wrong with Apartheid? It shouldn't matter if everyone who got privileges happened to be white... unless you are racist against white people
>>68547321
Caucasian =/= white
arabs however share more physical traits with europeans than africans
>>68545154
Setting aside everything else about this character:
Why the shitty halfjacket?
Why would anyone ever do this even once? And someone having done it once, why would anyone ever do it again?
>>68547365
We've had multiple Supergirl Variants and offshoots and PG would fall under that to some extent. Its 'technically' never been a legacy but its certainly right in the same area.
>>68547321
>If certain races are routinely underrepresented, whether on purpose or through latent systemic processes, then race matters.
If you care that certain races are not as present in comics, you are being racist. The "race"(which doesn't actually exist and is more of a loose guideline that people use) of a character shouldn't matter to you unless you are a racist. So the only way you can take umbrage with 97% of characters being white is if you are a racist.
>When people say "race doesn't matter," they typically mean "people shouldn't be judged on their race," not "lol who cares if one race gets everything that doesn't seem like a problem to me lol you think race matters?"
Oh weird, so you speak for everyone who makes the statement "race doesn't matter" and determine the exact level that they mean when they say it doesn't matter?
You basically just said "Race doesn't matter, except when I care about it or I see some kind of racial imbalance, and then race matters. So essentially, race always matters because I am always on the lookout for racial imbalance. I am a moron and a hypocrite".
>>68547456
there is already a living Supergirl in the universe.
>>68547359
>That time Kyle replaced Hal and everyone was fine
>That time Azrael replaced Batman and everyone was cool with it
>That time Doctor Octopus replaced Spider-Man and nobody was bothered
>That time four guys replaced Superman and people were only and exclusively upset about the black guy
>That time
>That time
>That time
White people are the only people that complain about minority characters being given the mantle of a white character. Well, they complain the most. Not that most of these characters are ever written very well. Minorities don't even care, this is suppose to be what gets them into comics anyways. It's about tapping new markets, masked as progression. I don't care. I'm gonna write a story about an old boxer that punches tornadoes controlled by this mad scientist. Only feels right the boxer would be black.
>you will never see the day DC or Marvel introduce a black character that isn't called BLACK (NOUN)
>>68547507
>Batman
>SpiderMan
>Superman
Thats what I said anon.
> I only see people get this worked up over Legacy heroes when they're minorities, or when its a big gun like Batman/Spiderman changing.
>>68547514
>>68547359
>Thats exactly what it is though.
It's not. As I explained, the people who complain aren't complaining about her being black. They're complaining about a character being modified or created to meet some idiotic diversity quota or to appear progressive. It happens all the fucking time. It's annoying.
I don't speak for everyone, but in my case my umbrage isn't that she's black. I would be just as annoyed if she were asian, transgender, or some other obnoxious attention seeking garbage. I'm just tired of it.
>>68547514
Coming up with new superheroes names is hard, anon.
>>68547162
>why the fuck did they name that nigga "Mr.Terrific"?
He's a legacy character of the original Mr. Terrific from the Golden Age. A black legacy character replacing a white dude. Nobody got angry because it's only racist to replace white characters you grew up with with black characters, and everybody reading comics in the '40s is too dead to be racist.
>>68547189
I laughed.
>>68547191
Yeah, superhero publishers could stand to have more East-Asian, South Asian, North American Aboriginal, and Australian Aboriginal characters. Blacks have the highest representation after whites, even if they are far behind.
>>68547365
>Argument from tradition
>It hasn't happened in the past, so it should never happen after that!
![MrTerrific[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/fqP7T2k.jpg "MrTerrific[1].jpg")
>>68547162
>One thing I don't understand, why the fuck did they name that nigga "Mr.Terrific"?
He's named after the original Mr. Terrific.
>>68547507
>>That time Kyle replaced Hal and everyone was fine
Hal went evil and there needed to be a hero GL to replace him
>>That time Azrael replaced Batman and everyone was cool with it
no one believed for a second that was going to be forever, everyone knew he was clearly going to go mad and someone would have to stop him
>>That time Doctor Octopus replaced Spider-Man and nobody was bothered
HAHAHAHA
>>That time four guys replaced Superman and people were only and exclusively upset about the black guy
Superman was dead there being several guys trying to replace him makes sense and is cool
>>68547575
>Yeah, superhero publishers could stand to have more East-Asian, South Asian, North American Aboriginal, and Australian Aboriginal characters. Blacks have the highest representation after whites, even if they are far behind.
Earth-2 had all of those!
But now it's on fire.
>>68547386
If you say "race doesn't matter to me", then the race of a superhero shouldn't matter to you regardless of representation. If the only thing that can allow you to relate to a superhero is if they share a skin color with you, you are a racist. This is not apartheid. Black comic book fans are not in some starving fucking ghetto. These are drawings.
>>68545154
Only thing I don't like is the hairstyle (because living in ATL I've never seen a black with that look)
and
her character description I saw Rich Genius Miss Perfect which is an automatic red flag
>>68547571
>They're complaining about a character being modified or created to meet some idiotic diversity quota or to appear progressive
This basically means ANY new character who just happens to be some sort of minority is filling a quota. Without fail people will say this.
There ARE instances where its fucking stupid, like with Wally, but this shit happens every single time a new character pops up that isn't white and gets the slightest bit of attention from some website or something.
>>68547575
>>Argument from tradition
>>It hasn't happened in the past, so it should never happen after that!
no there is no reason for it to happen. Peeg also isn't a character i want there to be thousands of different people being either. i love her the way she is
>>68546291
There is a Black Captain America though, Isaiah Bradley. The reason he doesn't suck is that his race and being captain america are tied inextricably to his origin and story.
>>68547511
>White people are the only people that complain about minority characters being given the mantle of a white character.
That's because lately it's mostly white characters being blackwashed or however you want to word it. The reverse rarely happens anymore and only usually happens in film(like Avatar).
Trust me, minorities bitch just as much about whitewashing.
>>68547650
No you don't. You have an idealized image of her built from your fap gallery and possibly (though I doubt it) the Conner/P&G Power Girl run.
If you loved her the way she was, well, you'd like a lot of awful shit.
>>68547190
>It's just that you guys get mad about everything.
People here are generally mad because people like you start threads wanting to discuss comic book heroes, but don't actually read comics. You don't care about the quality of the characters or the stories being told, just the political implications.
>>68547651
Yeah, I actually know about Isaiah Bradley.
I own the comic (my dad bought it for me once in an attempt as a gift, he's very afrocentric), I never read it though.
>>68547555
>> I only see people get this worked up over Legacy heroes when they're minorities, or when its a big gun like Batman/Spiderman changing.
That's completely fucking retarded though?
All the characters people care about being replaced are the big gun characters, by minorities or otherwise. Like what the fuck are you saying, Captain America, Thor and Power Girl aren't big gun characters? The entire thing that makes a legacy character a legacy character is that they're replacing someone who's a big enough deal for anyone to give a shit about.
About the only time people don't give a shit about legacy replacements is when it's A. a sidekick who's been around for ages after the hero dies like a champion, like Bucky or Wally West, or B. Miles Morales because everyone thinks he's great
>>68547600
>taking away the long sleeves
white's only crimes was being the winners
>>68547713
if she's so shitty thats even more reason for them to try and do her right
>>68547467
>These mental gymnastics
Yes, race is mostly a social construct. However, if it is evident that certain races are systematically underrepresented, it's not racist to point it out and want to correct it. To do so is to realize that discrimination is happening on the basis of a trait not inherent to one's merit. To correct this is the opposite of racism.
If you recognize that race is mostly a construct, how do you rationalize differential outcomes for people of different races being due to anything BUT some form of racism? If you think whites dominating in nearly every sphere is "natural," then you must think they have a natural proclivity to dominate and have visibility in desirable roles. Which would be racist.
>>68547642
I don't mind new heroes being black, I just hate inconsistency or needless change. By all means, make a slew of new black heroes or asian heroes or whatever else to meet market interest. I know it's harder to do that and maintain interest, but I'm just tired of seeing the originals shat all over with progressive bullshit.
>>68547778
Except "the original" in this case was being shit on with shit writing and awful plots long before this even happened.
Try picking up the books you bitch about, shithead.
>>68547703
> it's mostly white characters being blackwashed
Give me 5 recently "blackwashed" character.
>>68547717
>You don't care about the quality of the characters or the stories being told, just the political implications.
That's correct. If you aren't interested in discussing the political implications surrounding the character or the design of the newer rendition of the character, you could just ignore my thread.
But again, you guys are assholes and you can't just keep your mouth shut and ignore things you don't like. So you get indignant. Then you whine and bitch about how much you can't stand certain things being discussed when it's perfectly within your power to completely ignore the thread and go on with your day. And then somehow you blame me for wanting to discuss a specific aspect of comics.
The only person to be mad with is yourself at your childish inability to move on from things that don't interest you or you don't think should be discussed.
>take a comic book male hero and make them female; alternatively take a female comic book hero and make them an ethnic/religious minority
>stir up nerd outrage for controversy (read: attention); if outrage isn't forthcoming then magnify the minor anger, or outright fabricate
>small spike in sales for the #1 issue, rave reviews from cookie-cutter websites and cookie-cutter bloggers
>series sales drop off the face of the planet following #2
>still getting your ass kicked 10:1 by Adventure Time and My Little Pony
>rinse and repeat
Are people even upset or convinced otherwise, anymore? I'm surprised that every few years we seem to have a new generation of fresh-faced newcomers ready to get angry at change in comics, or angry at people "who hate progress" or whatever.
>>68547600
>Hal went evil and there needed to be a hero GL to replace him
Because writers made him evil so that a hero GL could replace him. It didn't just "happen." These people aren't real.
>no one believed for a second that was going to be forever, everyone knew he was clearly going to go mad and someone would have to stop him
But everybody believes Karen will be GONE FOREVER for some reason.
>Superman was dead there being several guys trying to replace him makes sense and is cool
Oh, so the answer is that nobody would care about the replacement if we killed Karen off. I guess that's what we should had done. Nobody ever gets buttmad when you kill a white character and replace them with a black Morales.
>>68547842
Powergirl
Superman (Earth-2)
Hawkgirl
Captain America
they are thinking on doing James Bond
>>68547889
>Nobody ever gets buttmad when you kill a white character and replace them with a black Morales.
Remember when everyone complained that the new Ghost Rider was a minority? Oh, that didn't happen? Maybe it was because the new character had actual character, unlike Morales?
>>68547890
>they are thinking on doing James Bond
This will never happen. Also Superman Power Girl, and Cap aren't black. They're different characters you dipshit.
>>68546584
She was always black though.
>>68547763
In all fairness, it'd be considered natural more because most of the content creators are white. Just like how most manga and anime is centered around Japanese people. Content creators just write/draw from what they know, man, I agree that it creates a same-y feeling palette (why else do you think everyone wears spandex of a certain color?) and can benefit from mixing it up but you shouldn't be surprised.
Keep in mind I'm only talking about comics here, I don't want to go into a political argument about the effects of colonialism and corporate globalism, this is /co/.
>>68547890
>Hawkgirl
Chicano
>Earth-2 Superman
Prime Superman is still white as roses
>>68547890
>Powergirl
>Superman (Earth-2)
>Captain America
But these are different characters.
>>68547617
I never said I can only relate to representations of certain races. If only some races are represented, and we take race to be independent of one's merit or character, that shows that racism is occurring, whether it be unconscious or deliberate.
The analogy between being an apologist for Apartheid and an apologist for certain races being underrepresented in fiction does not require the extremity of the situations to be the same, so it doesn't matter that "black comic-book fans are not starving" (though black Americans ARE, relative to whites, impoverished, but that's beside the point). The point of relevance that makes the analogy sound is that you are claiming that correcting a racial imbalance is somehow racist because it includes acknowledging the construct of race, which is pants-on-head retarded.
>>68547763
>Yes, race is mostly a social construct.
It is absolutely 100% a social construct. There is no single way to prove "whiteness" or "blackness". There is no measurement or criteria one must meet. Race is a loose general concept based on physical similarity. It has no defining parameters.
>However, if it is evident that certain races are systematically underrepresented, it's not racist to point it out and want to correct it.
Actually, it is. By the mere act of acknowledging race as a valid concept, you are invalidating your own claim that "race doesn't matter". That you count the number of "white" superheroes and specifically pay attention to their representation means that race matters to you. You are being a blatant hypocrite.
>To do so is to realize that discrimination is happening on the basis of a trait not inherent to one's merit.
You are making an assumption that a lack of accurate race distribution based on US population in comic book heroes is indicative of inherent racism when you have no reason to do so. What racism is being committed by having more white superheroes than black? What racism is being "cured" by including more black superheroes?
>how do you rationalize differential outcomes for people of different races being due to anything BUT some form of racism?
Because people do what they feel like doing? Why would you make the assumption that it's racism causing it?
If I'm a white comic book artist, and I decide to make a white super hero...am I being a racist? Am I part of this enormous problem? Is the only way for me to be racially absolved to make a minority superhero?
No. That's fucking ridiculous. You're making an assumption that these artists are racist simply because they happened to not give their character black skin. That is beyond silly.
>>68547642
>This basically means ANY new character who just happens to be some sort of minority is filling a quota. Without fail people will say this.
This. Fucking this so much.
When White Terra replaced White Terra, nobody complained about maintaining the white quota. "Clearly, they needed a new white character to replace the old white character to make sure that they didn't have a deficiency of white characters! It's a QUOTA!"
>>68547760
They are trying to do her right. Aren't you reading Worlds End? :^)
>>68547996
The problem with all that shit is instead of making new heroes, they fuck with the established ones. Creative bankruptcy isn't the mosy genuine olive branch I can think off and all it does is piss dedicated fans off.
>>68547650
>no there is no reason for it to happen.
Guess what? There's no reason for DC Comics to even publish comics. The world would get on fine without them.
There was no reason to introduce a black Power Girl? Well, there was no reason to keep a white one. There's no reason not to make Hal Jordan the Microwave Lantern.
You are trying to make your position the "standard" or null hypothesis, and demanding justification from any deviation from it, whilst shielding your position from similar scrutiny, when it has no more of a basis than any other.
>>68546914
Alan was the first Green Lantern and he wasn't part of a team of space police. The space police came years later, and when Kyle became the new Green Lantern, it was in an explicit legacy role as the green lantern corps had been 100% destroyed at that point.
>>68547889
>Because writers made him evil so that a hero GL could replace him. It didn't just "happen." These people aren't real.
it happened because his city was destroyed by Cyborg Superman because they wanted more drama to go on in the fallout of Death of Superman and to lead into the soft reboot Zero Hour
>But everybody believes Karen will be GONE FOREVER for some reason.
i don't. i think replacing her out of the blue with someone who barely knew her, who's costume doesn't resembles hers already doesn't do the justice for the character as she's just "the replacement" not some new hero with lots of potential. if she had a different name i'd be completely okay because it doesn't feel like they're making her for some controversy
>Oh, so the answer is that nobody would care about the replacement if we killed Karen off. I guess that's what we should had done. Nobody ever gets buttmad when you kill a white character and replace them with a black Morales.
Morales coming right after Peter died was too soon honestly
![Bruce-and-Hal[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/vewOuFO.png "Bruce-and-Hal[1].png")
>>68548102
All I got from your post is "Tiny Hal Jordan should be canon" and frankly that's a point I can get behind
>>68548073
New heroes don't sell, if people don't know the name they won't buy.
>>68547795
/co/ is much bettter love than hate. I notice that nobody in the thread has even TRIED to describe who the hell the new girl is and why we should care about her.
>>68547996
>If only some races are represented, and we take race to be independent of one's merit or character, that shows that racism is occurring, whether it be unconscious or deliberate.
No, it doesn't. You are a fucking idiot.
