What are you drinking these days, /ck/?
Merlot with diced strawberries and a bit of sugar
>>7496994
Cold?
I made some punch with a bad Merlot last month. It wasn't bad after that.
Are these box wines any good? I have to get one for a party I'm going to and I know nothing about wine. The list is from a website that had a list of "good wines"
>>7496985
Miller High Life
Thunderbird straight out of a cardboard box
>>7496985
Cabernet Sauvignon because I'm not a complete tool like these Merlot drinkers.
>>7497544
I don't know senpai but there are sure a shitton of places online where you can look up reviews for them. But you'd really just be best of grabbing something that sounds "classy" and has some nice box art because people are dumb.
>>7497589
you know jack shit about wine, isn't it?
The cheapest red I could find. Usually Chilean and Argentinian.
Speaking as someone from a mediterranean climate, I enjoy a good carlo rossi sangria
>>7497589
>my preferences in wine are based on movie characters from the 1990s
Embarrassing
>>7497544
I've had several of those and they're fine. I wouldn't serve them for Christmas dinner but for a casual party it's OK. whoever made that list seems not to be stupid and ignorant, like a certain cab sauv drinker in this thread
Had this old Bordeaux lately
Not bad, but maybe too old, the Angels seem to have taken more than their share
>>7496985
ayy lmao
>>7498682
>muh sugary grape soda
I like this a lot. Does this make me a pleb?
>>7498002
What's that herbal looking cheese in the foreground?
>>7497048
Yeah, though room temperature is delicious too.
recently moved, and still looking for new job. sucks going from $15-20 bottles to $5 trader joe wines... their paso zinfandel isnt bad...
>>7496985
Had a big tasting yesterday for two open spots on our list. Ended up finding a good rose from Provence (at an aggressive price!) and a beautiful Macon-Villages that was so nice we finished the bottle before the tasting was over.
Tonight I'll be drinking pic related, but the 2015 vintage. Gonna be young as fuck, but this wine drinks fine young.
>>7499123
I was wrong, it is the 2013 vintage. (Thought 2015 seemed way to young to be on the shelves yet).
>>7498830
>Cabernet sauv mixed with sangiovese
Absolutely degenerate
>>7498922
Belgian organic goat milk brie-type cheese
http://capra.laforgedesign.be/page-3-18.html
First time /ck/ poster. I used to work in a shitty chilean winery as touristic guide an got to know a little bit about wine, but I still want to learn some more: are there any good books/videos about different processes, terroirs, tastes or something like that?
>>7499233
http://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520276895
>>7499233
There are lots of books and videos, but you really can't learn without tasting the wine. Tasting a variety of good wines from the world's important regions is pretty fucking expensive to do on your own dime.
I learned by getting enough of a toe hold in the industry that I go to go to big industry tastings. Then I started doing wine lists for a few places neither big nor upscale enough to have a dedicated sommelier. Then the sales reps came to me, and I got to taste more. And I got a reputation for finding good wine cheap enough to sell by the glass for under $10 in NYC.
Ten years later I'm down to just one successful list as a hobby I take seriously. I'm still good at finding undervalued wines, and my customers appreciate that. A hole is as likely to open up on my list because the price went up as it is that a vintage sold out.
If you're not rich and want to get into wine get into the industry. You already have some experience, so that's a good start.
>>7498695
I know nothing about wine. A 2€ bottle tastes no different to me than a 20€ and it probably won't to most people on /ck/ and the genral public.
That being said the pic related I only use for cooking desu, when I ever drink wine I get a bottle from my local winery (5-10€ a bottle) and perfectly happy with it.
>>7499884
>A 2€ bottle tastes no different to me than a 20€ and it probably won't to most people on /ck/ and the genral public.
Couple of years ago I brought some rieslings to a party, a cheaper one, and a more expensive one, and didn't tell anyone the prices. I poured out small tastings and then let people help themselves. The expensive one was gone in the blink of an eye, people didn't even finish the cheap one, they just moved on to other beverages. These were not "wine drinkers", none of them could tell you a wine they like by name, but with some kinds of wine, you can just taste it when it's shit quality.
It's really the dry wines, particularly dry reds, that chemical engineers have mastered the art of making the cheap stuff taste pretty much drinkable. I could probably pull the same trick I did with the rieslings but use cheap no-name grenache and some reasonably respectable priorat, and the preferences would be split down the middle. I'm not saying it's the same, I'm just saying once you figure out how to obliterate the more unforgiveable faults in a wine, it just comes down to having a "sophisticated" palate which is arguably the same thing as just finding pleasure in the more forgiveable faults and making up euphemisms for it (muh character, muh terrior, muh youthful tannins, etc).
You guys are all such faggots
What's the dryest, darkest red wine? I mean like bitter with an assload of tanins, is there anything like that?
>>7500221
Cahors?
>>7497582
Fuuuuug. Pickle some fish while you're at it.
Also, they sell that shit in a box? They might as well sell it in a fucking bag and hand you a straw like in grade school.
>>7500192
Any time someone calls me a faggot hipster on /ck/ I know I'm doing something right
Same with autistic and fedora
>>7500296
GOD you're such a fag I CAN'T EVEN
Mornington Peninsula pinot
Its only Kooyong's entry level but damn its good.
Too bad for the rest of the world we only export our shit wines.
>>7498830
Around here everything makes you a pleb
>>7498002
That looks interesting. I'm a tad jealous.
>>7500963
>They export the shitty, they keep the pissy ones
I had a really nice aussie wine last month, from Margaret River, a Leeuwin Estate Cabernet that was a true delight.
>>7501016
I wish I could afford such pricey wines every day, but today with a pasta gratin, this more modest italian wine was enjoyable enough.
>>7496985
Dat nose
Best $8 I ever spend. Better then $100 bottles I've tried.
>>7500221
You're looking for young Cahors, Tannat, Taurasi (Aglianico is the grape), or maybe some gnarly Petite Sirah. Also Bandol Rouge.
Also, I was in the last wine thread, but I run a small production wine shop in Northern California and am happy to answer any and all questions about wine! I might not respond immediately, but leave a question and I'll answer it!
Had a great Sancerre and orange pet-nat Greek wine yesterday. Insane stuff!
>>7502057
Is anyone in CA doing a dry French style Sauv Blanc?
>>7502111
Lots of folks are trying to get closer to French-styled SB, but honestly the climate is still not quite right in most places. Too much sun, and things get too tropical and lush. There's promise from some producers in Mendocino in my opinion. I had a nice one from a tiny micro-producer called Yamakiri recently.
There's a lot more, and better quality French-styled Chardonnay coming out of California to be honest. We also don't have the same limestone soil + climate combo that, say, Sancerre has. It just won't quite match up.
I'll try and think of some more CA SB that doesn't suck today and update you.
>>7496985
been drinking malbecs every chance i get when i'm out. had the best bottle of wine of my life a month ago, some spanish malbec. rioja something?
>>7502277
>malbec
>rioja
Choose one.
>>7502277
Amigo, Rioja is always Tempranillo and/or Garnacha and/or Graciano. No Malbec allowed
>>7502156
Thanks. What you're saying is pretty much what I've been told. I'm just hopeful I can get some decent local SB on a future trip there.
>>7502296
Maybe he meant La Rioja, the argie appellation? I bet there's some malbec coming from there
>>7502057
You the guy who was pushing ZA chenin? I tried some recently, better than some I've had but still too tropical. It was "secateurs"
>>7502321
naw, this one was def tempranillo-based
>>7499123
So how is this Massaya?
I've had Chateau Ksara last year, and still have a few bottles of pic related in the cellar
Just curious about Massaya
>>7500963
Entry level but still $30 a bottle.
Their single vineyard stuff is excellent.
>>7501650
Margaret River is a great wine region.
We produce ALOT of wine in Australia, and have some very knowledgable and experienced people making them, we also have megafactories pumping out mass export garbage.
Some good stuff makes it to export but thankfully the best stays local.
Very rarely do I feel the need to buy Imported wine, and if I do its almost always French, because they just do things their way and a when Im in the mood for a Burgundy or a proper Pinot Gris imitations wont do.
>>7502357
I liked the red Massaya that was available up where I live up until this year - it tasted very much like a restrained Southern Rhone from a warm year. The Le Colombie seems to have replaced it, and it's equally delicious, but it's much heavier and not at all restrained. (14.5% ABV, massive dark fruit)
I don't like it as much, but it's great with strongly flavored food - lamb, vegetable dishes loaded with garlic, olives and the like (Lebanese food). But it's way too heavy for me to drink on its own by the glass, so I really miss pic related.
That said it's still a hell of a value at about $15 a bottle. And any excuse to support Lebanon, because those poor bastards get fucked over left, right and center. (I get Lebanese olive oil as well, and the stuff is also cheap and fucking delicious).
Massaya also makes a pretty delicious arak, if you roll that way.
Was told it was good. Didn't see what all the fuss was about :|
>>7502635
>advertises the amount of oak right there on the label
Yeah could have told you to avoid it
>>7502651
They kinda tell you those things on wine bottles in Spain. I know its entry level but I like that.
>>7502406
It's only a matter of time before the war spills into the beqaa. If ISIS doesn't destroy the vineyards, the IDF will just drop white phosphorus until it's done
Better collect those bottles while you can
>>7501750
I just tried their pinot noir. Breaddy good
good ol' shark juice eh
>>7503680
>20%
Dafuq
>>7498830
Against tradition definitely but not pleb. Keep trying other Italian wines too.
>>7499123
What were the wines?
>>7499233
The wine bible is as good place to start, but taste along as you read as that will give you the best context and help you differentiate between styles. >>7499293
Is very right as well, but if you don't want to get into the industry become a master of $20 and under wines and just try as much different stuff as possible.
>>7501750
Tried it for the second time last week, definitely a different formula, less extracted and rich but I can't get into wines coming out of Modesto.
>>7502057
Who are you're favorite producers/appellations right now?
What county are you in? If that's not too personal.
Best selling wine?
>>7502111
Maybe look towards Bedrock Wine Co but that might be a hard find. >>7502156 is right as our climate doesn't really allow for that acidity or the minerality from the limestone. I think it'll be better in the next decade or so, otherwise try Oregon and Washington SB, their climates should be more similar Bordeaux whites.
>>7502325
What kinds of wine do you normally drink?
>>7502397
Not entirely Australia's fault, very sad Parker screwed you but the articles I've been reading suggest some revolutions going on and hopefully get you guys back in the international market with your own style. 19 crimes is hilarious btw.
>>7502635
>>7502688
I think it's because of their quality control laws. Spain designates qualtiy monikers based off off how long it's been aged, advertising how long is been aged is their way of marketing its qualtiy. I do wish I could get more tech sheets off of wines though, even if it's what the chemist was basing their guess on.
>>7503680
>>7503993
Wait, what? How boozy does that taste?
Had pic tasked the other night, funky red fruit and forest floor but it was like if you took the sugar out of the a ripened strawberry but had no tartness. I'm pretty excited to see what Oregon will become
Not every bottle can be used to age right? I have a bottle of red from 2011 that I've held on for a friend but I don't think she's going get it anymore and I kind of want to save it for her just in case.
i allmost never buy a wine produced outside of europe.
Shit-tier european is often better than midrange american, African wines are slightly better but still not good enough, the rest of the world is just trash, fuck australia
>>7504604
This is an exaggeration, but it's not entirely wrong.
American wines under $20 are almost guaranteed to be shit. There's a small number of ones that aren't, and they're usually out of stock at the store I go to. In the $20+ range, the options get better, but I always feel like I'm contributing to a charity or something. Like when I buy some tool at the local hardware store for $25 when I could have just gone on amazon and gotten it for $6.
On the other hand I can find endless bottles of $15 wines from France, Italy, Spain, Greece, etc that I'll happily drink every day.
all day nigga
>>7496985
Targets boxed Malbec
>>7504850
Also Walmart line of Oak leaf. If I'm broke I will buy a bottle of the Cabernet for 3 bucks. I cook with it like crazy. Good deal.
is it trashy to drink wine straight out of the bottle? I feel like you get the best flavor that way
>>7504325
>What were the wines?
I don't have the list in front of me, but the standouts were this year's Provence roses and (of all things) Guigal's white Cotes-du-Rhone.
>Bedrock Wine Co
Will look for this. Thanks.
>>7504880
Why are you surprised? Guigal's white CDR has punched above its price class for some time now. One of my favorite counterexamples to the "famous name = bad value" meme
Who /goon bag/ here?
>>7504951
I hadn't had it in years. We try to keep familiar names off our list because we want stuff that customers specifically come to our place for. But you are spot on. It punches way above its class.
>>7504856
yes, it is. and you objectively do not.
I bought a bottle of wine cuz it's super cheap ($8) and drank the whole thing but didn't get drunk... What gives?
>>7505017
You're a ham planet or an alcoholic, possibly both
Somebody gave me a shitty wine to easter.
>>7505077
The latter.. I drink a lot. Decided to try wine and it sucks. Not even a buzz. As for my weight I'm 130 pounds and 5' 10.
>>7504591
My bad, it's a 2013. It's made in Oregon.
>>7505178
I actually switched to wine about 10 years ago because spirits were taking my alcoholism to the next level. With wine when I'm out, it's done for the night. I still drink more than I should, but I feel like I'm doing less catastrophic damage to my body.
>>7505262
Wine also has more socialization around it, too. You maybe have a glass before dinner, drink wine through the meal, then maybe have a glass after. Easy to catch a nice buzz that way, but you have to work to really get drunk with it, whereas with liquor the difference between buzzed and wasted can be two drinks poured with a heavy hand.
>>7505168
>drinking vermouth straight
save it for cocktails, m8
>>7504325
>What kinds of wine do you normally drink?
More reds than whites desu senpai. I like light to medium body stuff, on the extreme end I had a brachetto this week I loved, called Anthos. Other favorites: red vinho verde, mostly any Piedmont nebbiolo, limnio, your occasional pinot noir.
But for whites, nothing tops chenin from the Loire. Anything from bone dry to sugar syrup. Although mosel Rieslings are fine too.
how do i get into the wine world? i'm chilean so that's kind of a plus for starters
>>7505625
If you're just starting on wines, I usually suggest a sweeter wine, A Riesling is good, If you don' know any better I suggest toads hallow, its sweet and there's better but who cares cause its cheap. If you drink spirits already Try porto, Its fortified wine and has a sweet taste to it. Personally I love ruby port, but I'm trying a whtie port soon thats supposed to be delicious. Also little off beat but Honey mead is good, Sky river is my personal favorite but its 20 bucks a bottle depending on your price range. Just start there and experiment. Try going to wineries, its a lot of fun.
Any reccomended Oregon whites for under $20?
>>7496985
I make my own. I fill a 1qt mason jar 1/2 way with crushed muscadine, 1 cup of sugar, then fill to the top with purified water. I let it sit for 1 month then I strain it and drink it.
>>7505625
For me the appreciation of wine started with food pairings. Find out which wines traditionally pair with foods you like, seek out good examples of them and have them with dinner. (This is really how most people enjoy wine).
>>7496985
hi
I am looking for a summer white wine at a decent price
any recommendations?
lambrusco
Tastes like shit but works
would you drink Kurt Russell's wine?
>>7506559
I'll try anything once
>>7505739
vinho verde. I like drinking it straight from the bottle.
>>7505465
>stick to taking advice
>>7502325
Yeah I was the guy who recommended some from Sadie Family. The Badenhorst Secateurs is good, definitely more tropical, but honestly hardly anything from SA or anywhere else can compare to the stuff from Anjou/Montlouis-sur-Loire/Vouvray/Savennieres/Touraine, etc.
>>7504325
>>7502057 here, favorite producers right now for CA are in Santa Cruz, Sonoma and Mendocino. From SC: Big Basin Vineyards, Alfaro Family Vineyards,
From Sonoma: Folk Machine/Hobo Wine Co, Bedrock Wine Co, etc.,
From Mendocino: Halcon Vineyards, Rein Winery, Suelo Farmers
From elsewhere in CA: Forlorn Hope, Steve Matthiasson, Arnot Roberts, Clos Saron
Good call on the Bedrock Sauvignon Blanc, just tasted the 2015 Sonoma Valley today with my Monterey Bay Wine Co rep and that shit is yummy. Also the 2015 Abrente Albarino is a great CA white for like $23 also made by Morgan Peterson (Bedrock).
>>7505500
>Nothing tops Chenin from the Loire
MY NIGGGGGAAAAAAA
Check out Francois Chidaine, Jacky Blot, Domaine du Collier, Domaine du Closel, Bertin-Delatte, and Nathalie Gaubicher for some FUCKING AWESOME CHENIN. CHENIN IS THE BEST.
>>7505739
Vinho Verde from Portugal, Albarino from Spain, Sauvignon Blanc from Touraine (Loire Valley), White blend from Gascogne (Gascony), Fiano from Campania, Spanish white anything, Torrontes from Argentina, and Prosecco from Italy.
>>7505193
Bumping because still curious.
>>7507463
That 2013 is totally gonna be fine. It's a misconception that all wine improves with age, but it's also a misconception that certain wines have an expiration date. That shit is totally fine.
>>7507480
Ah yeah, that's what I was curious about. I was thinking this wine isn't the type to taste better with age.
>>7507498
Yeah it won't really get "better" but it's not gonna go bad. Most (95%+) wines are not designed to age, and are meant to be consumed within the first 2-3 years, but they just slowly get less good, rather than die after that.
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>>7496985
I usually drink Dornfelder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dornfelder
I've been drinking homemade wine. Just bottled on Saturday but still great.
>>7513235
Homemade Amarone? How the fuck?
>>7513240
It's from a wine kit.
I've also got some mead and cider brewing from scratch.
Amontillado
It's not my favorite sherry ever but it's pretty good, Bodegas Hidalgo is always pretty good bang for the buck, I guess
