FINANCIAL CRIME THREAD:
Let's talk about how nobody has made worth mentioning capital in almost half a century at any crime and actually got away with it for any decent amount of time. Closest thing were a few heists and some drug leaders.
RELATED FACT: Banks and stores balance registers at around $250.00 in the US, but people still risk a decade in prison robbing them.
RELATED FACT: People who decide to B&E and rob always do it in poor neighborhoods where even the cars aren't worth much
what's some easy stuff to steal and make a few thousand?
>>735671
You are missing the point. Financial institutions are party to crimes that their employees commit. Gov't investigates large bank. Bank says, Oh shit! We're busted."
Gov't says, "We'll take away your charter to do business in this country!"
Financial institutions says, "Noooooooo!!!" We'll pay whatever you want to leave us alone as long as we don't have to admit we did anything wrong..." Govt says, "OK....we'll fuck over the people and bring them to justice."
Govt gets huge amount of cash, banks had 20 times that in reserve for such a thing anyway, everyone moves on, employees go to prison.
So, financial institutions sort of get away with crimes but people generally don't.
>>735674
Stuff without paperwork like titles but not it too high security either. Generators, Solar equipment, electronics, equipment etc..
With current inflation it's not worth the risk for anything that can't be flipped for at least $1,000
>>735686
That's likely how it is, but there are too many negative dynamics to put it all on banks.
If you look at the tier of society who can only do labor, they are screwing each other over over a small job market, and pointing their fingers at the rich man and banks. Banks don't have THAT much influence on manufacturing and services..
>>735731
I dare say the wealthy and banks have more positive influence on that level of society than the people who work management, HR, and laborer at the companies do..
I used to work in Portland Oregon for a company called "Netzee". They were called Harland Financial Services before that. They made and sold online banking software to small and mid sized community banks and credit unions. They also hosted the software and a custom database for banks/CUs who didn't have their own network.
I was an implementation engineer and vendor support specialist. I helped install the software and take care of customers.
***
I found a bug, while troubleshooting a payment anomaly.
For scheduled fixed payments, the software would intermittently send the sum of all fixed payments to some mystery account, then refund the customer.
So like if you owed a tire company $100 and you paid them $10/month on the tenth month instead of sending $10 to the tire company, the software sent $100 to some random nonexistent test account, through ACH, then ACH received a mystery error message, the error message sent back to our software so the software would refund $100 from the bank, then the $10 would go to the tire company.
I'm pretty sure someone was pocketing the money.
Bitcoin
http://www.kaspersky.com/about/news/virus/2015/Carbanak-cybergang-steals-1-bn-USD-from-100-financial-institutions-worldwide
>>735759
You're saying I'd get my $100.00 back and still make the $10.00 to the tire company? Was it triggered by some special input? If not it was just shitty programming and nobody was intentionally pulling money
>>735765
Bitcoin and TOR and well-reviewed Bitcoin Tumblers and live-OS made Cold Storage. Tails OS
I don't even pay attention to botnets. They are usually rogue governments or big companies paying coders to manage illegal infrastructure. A bedroom programmer isn't going to get in to an arms race with AV signature engines and researchers because even if talented the code would still be around 300k lines and there are not public MITB engines, and without MITB you can't reliable do browser injects and dumps..
Been looking for a thread like this. I've been mulling around this idea for a while, tell me what you guys think.
>buy bitcoin with paypack
>spend bitcoin on stolen creditcard info on the deep web
>max out cards buying gold
>have gold delivered to anonymous PO box
>pawn gold
Of course I could always steal the credit card info, but that's work.
>>735774
Yes but ..
> customer sends $100 via ACH to mystery account
> ACH sends error message back with weird message I'd never seen before
> *BANK* (not software, not ACH) refunds customer
> customer makes expected payment
^ what happened to that original $100?
>>735759
Same employer. They were a publicly traded company.
Sometime after 9/11, the Senior VP or Marketing & Operations decides to start being a dick. I mean, just a complete and total asshole.
He holds a meeting for my implementation / support team. Some highlights from the meeting, which he shouted at full volume at us. "You motherfuckers need to stop making excuses and get me some fucking RESULTS! The software doesn't work with the clients server? Kick the Dev team in the dick and make it work! Or, maybe, I dunno, actually take it upon yourselves to *LEARN* a fucking language and maybe write the patch yourselves? And one more thing. I don't wanna hear any of this whiny 'ohhhh, boo hoo I couldn't make it to work on time, I had to drop off my kid at daycare, I couldn't stay late I had to pick up my kid' - I am sick and fucking tired of hearing about some little fucking KID causing MY company to swirl down the god damn toilet! Your kids have fucking mothers for all this bullshit. Use them! That or maybe I need to find some new staff, with actual fucking talent, who don't HAVE little brats to get in the way of a solid day's work. Now get the fuck out of here!"
^ aside from the blatant HR and OSHA violations in that tirade, take a second to look at his recommendation for circumventing established protocols for standardized software design and support. "Write your own patch for your customers" he says.
Over the next 5-6 months, we digressed into a horrible environment. The VP would tell us "you guys, I honestly have no idea what the fuck those nerds over in development are doing .. it's one excuse after another, while the timelines just slip"
Then, apparently, he'd tell development "yea, no, I get it, you guys would probably meet your deadlines if you had decent fucking documentation up front, I honestly have no idea what those fuckups over in implementation are doing"
(to be continued)
>>736045
We only heard about this weird two faced tactic after several months of divisiveness between development and implementation. I just happened to take one of them out for a beer after work to mend fences when we realized what had been going on.
The same VP was sabotaging clients. Mocking bank and credit union executives and downplaying their customers complaints.
The stock price, of course, was plummeting. Message boards with stock analysts were all advising each other to short us.
***
It was about 1-2 months after I had the beer with the Dev guy that one of the more senior people in Operations turned me on to a rumor.
the Senior VP guy who was being such a dick, had apparently either approached Fidelity, or Fidelity approached him, and a preliminary offer to buy the company was made.
But Fidelity said "look we love the software but you're just too over valued". So the Senior VP had apparently offered to correct that.
We were a publicly traded company and he was deliberately devaluing us so we could be purchased at a fraction of our original valuation. Easiest way to devalue a company is to drain it of talent and business.
I was laid off not long after discovering this. I was laid off with about 20 others but mostly ops kids in the call center. I'm still not sure if I was targeted and punished or if it was just a revenue decision.
Six months after I was laid off, the company declared bankruptcy and Fidelity bought their patents. The Senior VP got a job with Fidelity.
The company was rebranded as "Certegy". You can see their logo on almost every grocery store and POS machine, they facilitate debit and credit card transactions.
Today that Senior VP is one of the executives for Bank of America.
>>735796
P.O.Boxes aren't anonymous.
>>735671
>People who decide to B&E and rob always do it in poor neighborhoods where even the cars aren't worth much
I feel like this is the case because 90% of the people who B&E are poor as well and they don't want to spend half the night just going to and from their destination
They are also probably more likely to rob poor neighborhoods because there aren't as many security systems, if any.
>>736053
Good story op
>>736061
Not OP but thanks. So here's another funny story about that same Senior VP.
So, in my implementation role, I'd talk to a lot of these fucking hick bankers, old men with a background in steel mills or farming who somehow became bank or credit union executives.
I'd have to work with these men to install their online banking software because a lot of the time they didn't even HAVE an IT person.
> ".. son, this is all real confusing to me can you just log in for me and update these settings? The user name on the server is 'r-o-o-t', and the password is ... "
Yea I had root to most of the midwest's smaller financial institutions for a couple years.
So the Senior VP guy pulls me and my buddy in. We're both pretty talented network and data guys and we both clearly enjoy alternative lifestyles.
> him: Hey, so we have this client who's leaving us. Which is unfortunate but it's just not a good match with the direction our organizations are going. But the thing is, they have an outstanding balance of about $15,000 and change. Do you guys think you could somehow help us collect that?
> me: (genuinely confused). You mean .. like, you want me to call and ask them to pay?
> him: nooooo .. well, I mean, you could TRY that. And it'd be great if it worked! Then again our lawyers have already tried and they're not getting anywhere, but .. I know you have a good way with interacting on the phone .. so .. huh .. maybe? ...
> me: ohhh-kay?
> him: so yea but, if that doesn't work out I'm just wondering if there's a way you could just like .. you know .. GET the money?
> me and my friend: -....
> him: I mean, with your privileged access. You know? Is that possible?
> my friend: uuuhhhhh ...
> me: *ahem*. Yea. Uh, no. No I don't think so. I don't think there's a way to do that.
> boss guy: yea? Are you sure?
> me: yea sorry there's just not a way to do that.
> him: *sighs and purses lips* .. Well, okay. Didn't hurt to ask. Have a good lunch you guys.
So he thought since you smoke weed or whatever that you would steal money? What a gangster
Dude sound he came from auto industry, that and the financial sector are full of guys who will do whatever it takes to win
>>736045
The employer actually had a point. One person doesn't run a infrastructure based embezzlement racket.. Shitty
coders and Q&A people had to actually allow such a backdoor or had to not be skilled enough to properly do the software. Everyone at the company except management seemed to have a lazy&awkward entitlement problem, as if they were owed their jobs..
>>735796
>>736055
P.O boxes aren't anonymous without a fake state ID and a valid drop address for letters from the USPS regarding the box. But still they are worthless because they are under surveillance and you have to ask a clerk for big items that don't fit. Better off using drop-houses.
Regarding BTC. Meet up with someone at a McDonalds for free WIFI, from localbitcoins dot com. Cash for BTC on the spot and verify with a temp wallet balance. Then send to cold storage or spending wallets through a low-cost highly-reviewed tumbler.
Regarding CC dumps: Even if you get dumps with pins or working CVV, name, date info they typically have shit balances or are closed. You also can't touch savings which is where most people stack up their worth.. Given what they typically cost on darkwep and HTTP blackmarkets it's not really worth it..
You hit the same problem skimming but get better balances because they aren't picked through. People keep shit-money in checking accounts and most money in savings to collect interest. 3D scanning and printing card slots then setting up keypad capture usually costs more than what you'll make off the few dozen cards you capture..
>>736212
I worked in finance for several years. People cuss like sailors and drink like fishes. So many f-bombs in meetings and day to day interaction.
>>736225
I work in auto finance, we lend to people with shitty credit, so many fbombs and big personalities, everyone drinks and goes to strip clubs too lol
>>735671
>nobody has made worth mentioning capital in almost half a century at any crime and actually got away with it for any decent amount of time
Pretty simple: most modern financial transactions are REVERSIBLE, meaning systems are in place to undo them. Perhaps some leg work is required, but the movement of any significant sum of electronic money is capable of being unmoved.
Reversibility protects the institutions, the clients, the regulators, and law enforcement. Basically, its good for everyone but thieves.
Not coincidentally, this is the same reason why Bitcoin will fail: it is not reversible.
>>736230
Yeah if we're talking about electronic banking systems that's true. Also the bank and third party balance and spending monitoring systems. You have one of those you're pretty much bulletproof..
I know quite a few who are making quite decent money off this, funding their way through college. But its logical that the ones who do it right are the ones you don't hear about.
I dox executives and various other employees, gain clues about where they are going from their family's facebooks, who they are meeting with, whether different projects are complete or not.
>>736288
Anyone can do that.. Getting on the receiving end of some of their capital is what takes talent.
>>735671
Money laundering is where it's at. Not overly difficult to do either, so long as you know what the thresholds are for banks to detect suspicious activity. If you worked at a bank, like I do, you'd have a pretty good idea of how difficult it is to detect unless you're being insanely obvious.
>>736319
You only need to launder if you plan on obtaining taxable assets like houses, high-end cars etc..
Again easy cheesy once you actually have capital.. You can invest 1k in software contracting and grow exponential profit in short-turnaround with the end-product's licensing.
Any type of gambling is stupid because of the odds, even with card games like blackjack and holdem
>>736303
hmm, not sure what you mean by "Getting on the receiving end of some of their capital"
I get on the receiving end of information before the rest of the market does. It might be months before I find an opportunity worth putting money on but each opportunity can yield more than the market average returns for little risk. Also consistent returns are more important than startup capital, obviously because of "muh compound interest", so rather than spend my time learning how to commit wire fraud or whatever I prefer to develop my critical thinking skills and learn more about finance.
>>736369
insider information is worthless outside of the stock market or logistics heists..
>>736344
>if you plan on obtaining taxable assets like houses
*cough*
Any tips for certain people?
yeah i used to run a register and there was only about a 10minute time frame were i had more than 200 bucks,everything else is in the safe with big signs saying i can open it. i was always worried i would get robbed be ordered to open the safe say i cant and then get shot in their frustration, but i lucked out
>>736556
can't open it
>>736556
Yeah I've seen the policies used for safes in non-banks. They have a policy to change the code and never really do it. You spot the code you can open it yourself in the future.
The safes are low tech except grocery stores. Grocery stores sometimes have networked employee ID stuff.. I think gas stations do 5k, grocery 45k, restaurants 20k
>>736560
to add.. In the US at current inflation you can actually live off 30k for a couple years.. Like 850*24
>>736387
what is a logistics heist?
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22logistics+heist%22
>>736924
He probably means robbing a transport of physical cash or expensive commodity.
The biggest robberies in my country were cash transport heists.
At least one of them was an inside job. A g4s driver disappeared with around $30 million worth of money. The cash weighed like half a ton, so he was definitely a part of some organized group. He would not be able to move and launder all that cash alone.
Anyway they never found him. I'd say he is most likely dead.
>>736932
Killed by the people who helped him move it?
How do criminal gangs instill such loyalty in their members. It's crazy.
>>736932
Same for the US.. It has to be insiders. Randomly attacking armored trucks is stupid unless you find a weakness in the company's trucks.
In the US there aren't drop boxes at banks anymore. Armored trucks go to the stores then banks. There is one weak point where an armed guard goes inside to get the safe money. With grocery stores this is at least $25,000 per picket but typically almost $50,000..
>>737014
resturant safes are the same. They are usually around 10k pickups..
>>737002
Either by his gang or by g4s.
g4s is a private army, they put up 2 million € bounty for information that would lead to his arrest.
I am pretty sure there is a fuckton of bounty hunters that would even kill him for a lot less and g4s can definitely get in touch with very skilled hitmen.
>>735759
>working in bank software
>not planting a virus into the software that takes fractions of pennies from all transactions
Shaggy diggy
A 100 dollar bill is approximately 1g. $2,000,000 is 4409Lbs
A person would want to carry around 100Lbs so they can run a little at least. That's around $45,000. 2mil isn't hard with a big diesel truck with hard suspension and a lot of torque and low gearing.
>be a property manager
>create a fake vendor
>have the fake vendor send in an invoice
>pay it out of the owners funds
>>737085
$2,000,000 in hundreds is 44lbs, not 4400.
>>737111
there are exactly 20411.7 grams in 45lbs.. 1 2013 100 bill is approx 1g
>>736053
Wasn't Certegy a subsidiary of Equifax created around '00?
A Fidelity subsidiary did merge with Certegy in '05 but was renamed Fidelity Information Services thereafter.
>>737105
>theres no money in the owners fund so you don't get paid either way
>>737125
Ya. 44 lbs is about right
>>737267
If a pound is 453g and a ton is 2,000 pounds and all the US bills in circulation are 1g each, which is correct, it's not. It's around a ton for $2,000,000 in 100s
906000000 / 453
>>737085
2,000,000 / 100 = 20,000 hundred dollar bills (1g)
20,000g = 20kg
I could probably stagger with that. Twenty bags of sugar. Twenty litres of milk.
I have no idea what lubbs are.
You do realize that the people who have gotten away with their shit are people you have never heard of, right?
>>737328
yeah I was thinking of ones the whole time it is a little over 44Lbs if all 100s.
45Lbs would suck to carry even in a gym bag with strap over neck. Even if you're fit it's going to drastically reduce your insurance.
I'm amazed at how naive people are towards CC dumps.. They are all low-balance-checking cards filtered by the botnet owners..
dumbest thing ive ever done was bought 100 dollars worth of pnd. it made me learn a lesson though
should I study econometrics?
>>737462
I studied pure economics and read a shit ton of books in full on the history and math of pure economics, and a lot of calculus material.. It's only good for projecting trends and barely that..
>>737283
Where the hell are you getting this math from? It's 44lbs since you need 20,000 $100 bills to make a million which comes out to 20,000 grams divided by 453.592
>>735671
The people getting away with it haven't gotten caught - which is why we don't know about it. Duh!
>>737531
it was with ones as stated
>>737259
Yep. Fidelity absorbed Netzee in 2003. they absorbed Certegy around the same time and Certegy absorbed Netzee in 2005-ish.
It's all a silly mess. I'm in a better place now.
>>737576
Singular people aren't getting away with it and that's what matters. Groups and companies create giant unmanageable paper trails or at least broken financial correlations, and groups of street criminals snitch each other out and get greedy..
I noticed tubular locks protect glass cases, vending machines, and change machines. These are easy to pick with a $45 too..
>>737480
seriously?
wtf lol
I got the choice between
Maastricht University: Econometrics
and
Radboud University: Physics
>>735671
Philip Wilson, paper hanging extraordinaire.
“Perhaps no other crime in history came to the attention of so many police departments. Local and state authorities all across America puzzled over the worthless documents the bank issued. The Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Securities and Exchange Commission, the Post Office, and the Comptroller General’s office assigned agents to the case. All levels of law enforcement in England and Continental Europe, and even agencies as far away as Central and South America and Asia, wrestled with the mystery. Yet at the end of 1972, four years after the frauds began, the U.S. Justice Department still had not begun a comprehensive prosecution of the Bank of Sark case.”
http://www.chapmanspira.com/book1/bullstreetv1-4/bullstreetv84.htm
>>738063
^^ full story @ link on bottom
>>738063
That was about half a century ago, when you could paper hang just with old-school printing methods and delaying with routing numbers..
>>738055
Why wtf? Economics isn't a science. If it was there would be no financial problems in the world.. It's betting investments and actions with trends. Like psychology.
>>738272
i was looking more to the actuarial side of things
and
calculating optimal prices etc.
anyways, in my country 1 in 3 econometricians become millionaires and job security is extremely high
im going to be an entrepreneur though
>>738326
Econometrics is different. It's mathematical economics that really only uses the science part of economics like applied economics.
Optimal priceses use real market data.
I agree using applied economics is profitable. Investment banking and accounting is still a license to print money..
The skills alone aren't going to make you rich though, you have to be a salesman and politician.
>>738333
lots of companies here are hiring to do statistical work mainly.
So I could get further ahead with a physics degree?
We could just do a short and distort.
Let's all short a stock and start a rumor about it.
>>737023
>G4S is a private army
>massively fuck up the London Olympics to the point where the actual army needs to be brought in to clean up the mess.
>>736056
First rule of B&E is not to shit where you eat. I'm an honest man and even I know this. If the same neighborhood gets hit multiple times in the same month, the first thing the fuzz is going to think is "Somebody who lives in this neighborhood is getting brazen."
Leave your feels on Facebook.
>>738383
That actually takes risk and money to do. You're not going to convince investors anything without a convincing campaign.
The only way to game the stock market these days is with computer algorithms that predict with data or if you have media influence and risk your rep and freedome; because the feds go nuts with market investigations and prosecutions. All the people making big profits right now are doing algorithmic trading with software that interfaces trading networks.
>>738431
I have insight in to the logistics of it. Most people who do it are broke and sometimes on drugs. They can't afford to travel far. Also there is the reality that rich neighborhoods will have electronic security that means you'll have to do a targeted take and run.
When I was a teen back in the 90s we use to break in to cars mostly. Every once and a while we'd score something like a laptop or camera we could flip for hundreds(this was before smartphones) but it was mostly change and beepers. If I had to do it over again I would of done targeted takes using classifieds that would bring at least thousands, and then just idle a while to avoid the heat.
Up till about 2005 I was reading anything I could find on security systems, locks, computer market prices, and car electrical systems.
Can someone explain why insider trading is a crime? Willing parties should be able to make any transaction they want, banning insider trading sounds like nothing more than anti-free market horseshit.
>>738475
>inb4 everyone answers this with some bullshit
because america is run by faggots, that's why
>>738475
Its a crime because no one likes to be the guy who bought 10$ mil of some asset only to find out the other guy knew it was worthless but didn't reveal vital information about it. Its basically about disclosure.
When you sell a piece of real estate or any major lump asset, you have to disclose anything wrong with it. Otherwise, it's grounds for a lawsuit. Its the same thing with stocks, if a bit more complicated because transactions happen so fast. Its easier to make a declaration that you don't have access to material non-public information than it is to require either party to write a disclosure agreement.
>>736228
Damn y'know I've been so worried about being successful and rich, but that sounds fucking awesome.
>>738495
You're right about the market, but not about real estate..
I can sale you a piece of property with 50k of liens and back taxes using non-warrant deeds like quit-claim and it's perfectly legal..
>>738544
Hi, I have the skills to make bank trading but not the capital, how could I quickly make just a few thousand dollars? I'm smart, resourceful & could probably make about anything work.
>>738556
dividend stocks or sleep on cheap stocks
>>738605
if you have around half a mill, otherwise just invest in software or flip stuff
>>738608
could you rec books/websites/anything so i can know as much as possible about everything mentioned (and not mentioned) in this thread? you seem to make connections between many different areas of interest
>>737591
Just name the VP
physics vs econometrics?
what should my degree be?
>>739479
liberal arts
>>738662
Yea that's a good idea
>>739479
Be honest with yourself, don't do like most US collage grads are, if you're ugly or awkward in any way go to accounting where talent matters. Do econometrics.
Physics is good if you're a prodigy.
How do the people that upload movies/series/anime, to streaming sites and youtube/dailymotion/vimeo/etc, make money?
is it only ads?
I came across some anime and movies on youtube and was wondering, don't they get busted if youtube finds they are profiting from copyrighted material??
>>738475
most people would be getting fucked left and right while a handful would be making fortunes
stock pumping would go thru the roof.
>>735674
Macbooks
But if you steal you're a faggot
>>738326
>I'm going to be an entrepreneur
Not with that attitude you won't. Most people who want to be entrepreneurs fail.
>>739702
Yeah AdSense which takes a big following to get accepted and good content if for a site. Some also try stuff with PPI and pay per download sites but the rates on those need hundreds of thousands of users. AdSense pays good if you can get a following of at least 100k.
SEO and BHSEO was good money but search engines started measuring by content quality so you can't just throw up a WP blog and paste ad code anymore..
>>739780
Macbooks might have something like computrace(factory bios rootkit). I know newer intel chipsets have network tracking if enabled by the vendor. This isn't a problem if you do offline wipes and flip though.
The problem with laptops and computers, unless expensive gaming and editing rigs which you never see in cars and restaurants, is a good flip these days only brings $200.00-$800.00
Smart Phones you can flip, but the baseband has identifiers you can't change even with jailbreaks. Be sure the buyer doesn't know how to trace you when they figure out it's network locked. Also, there are apps both OEM and 3rd party that can lock down phones where even a root reset can't fix it, remotely.
Up till around 2008 you could make a fortune flipping computers because hardware was allowing new content and you had to spend a lot on parts. Now everything is saturated do to over-availability.. But money is still there plus you can mine data off of them like cookies and logins that may leverage currency accounts.
>>739803
Most people who want a specific roles in society never get close unless they are super clean looking and can social engineer.. or if they are just skill-prodigies on some level.. Most people can learn a science extensively if they have the time but can't negotiate or market themselves do to social regulation..
You don't see guys with thick glasses and acne working in office environments for example even if they have a masters degree and accomplishments..
I can actually program and reverse engineer really well, and have been looking for a profit model in bitcoin. Even if it's making cross platform casino games that can convert a virtual currency to BTC with a tumbler pipeline on the back-end.
The time to code casino games is a bitch if you can't afford to just sub out the big parts. This is where I am now. I make money but not enough to dump a few thousands on a firm to quickly make these products. Plus the back-end infrastructure for long-polling and push networking is expensive as fuck..
>>735671
>People who decide to B&E and rob always do it in poor neighborhoods where even the cars aren't worth much
Because it's easier. Go lurk around Beverly Hills in a hoodie casing houses and see how fast the cops pick you up. All of the houses are gated and have security systems.
>>739927
Of course if you're casing mansion neighborhoods, but the .5 million dollar middle class neighborhoods often have stuff just as valuable and no gates.
I'd actually hit shops with untraceable ATVs or cars. Score 15k worth of stuff to flip in one night and sit back a while.
>>739692
I'm no prodigy but I'm pretty good I like to believe
(Is it also possible, and wise, to study econometrics for 2k a year for 4 years (get my masters) and then study physics for 5 years for 10k each year? just because it's fun. Also will I get hired then? Whatever I'm going to start an own company anyways)
>>740475
I'm in the US.
I know one person with a BS in physics
>econometrics
wat
I also know someone with a BA in economics.
The physics guy works for 12/hr in a warehouse. The economics girl works for $50 a night(night shift) at a bar in a very shitty part of town.
That 2k a year sounds good. That 10k a year doesn't, but that's still in the median range for state universities.
what would you consider the easiest scam to get away with?
I'd say "super foods".
Business logic exploits in online retailers can be profitable. There was a recent case where some guys discovered a loophole in the return processing system of, I think, a clothing company and racked up a few million over a couple of years. Of course they were eventually caught but I'd imagine you could take stronger precautions (they were doing it under their real names and addresses) and/or be ready to fuck off overseas at a moments notice.
>>735671
>Let's talk about how nobody has made worth mentioning capital in almost half a century at any crime and actually got away with it for any decent amount of time. Closest thing were a few heists and some drug leaders.
Are you fucking completely oblivious to the drug trade and how lucrative that is?
>>740517
here in the netherlands everything (yes, even medicine) us around 2k a year. When you decide to do a second and third etc. bachelors and masters degree it will cost you around 10k a year.
So I was wondering if doing both degrees would be worth the effort
>>740517
People in the US believe that a degree saves them from an economy with almost half as many jobs as people looking for work. If you're not a prodigy or have salesman qualities you're going back to laboring..
>>740520
sticking up people when they come with cash to buy expensive classifieds items
>>740641
I mention it in the text you quoted.. My favorite was that freeway guy in California. Those require human infrastructure though, and the second you're known to lower tiers you are susceptible to police interrogations and task forces..
>>740646
In most Baltic countries if you're not an engineer or tech person you work in local shops. There are technical schools you're actually paid to go to that companies actually hire from, and the best university in the country is like 10k. Health care is awesome compared to the US, $20/20euro for dentist visits compare to $200/200euro etc..
It's still susceptible to social problems though. Quiet and awkward people can't get tech jobs because of sales requirements.
>>737023
>g4s can definitely get in touch with very skilled hitmen
You mean their own employees?
http://youtu.be/kuv1I5WjGJA
I remember some months ago, in /g/, there was a dude that shared how to scam walmart and get a free i7. you just put a pentium d in the box and return it.
some weeks ago, I read somwhere about this scam and was sad that I didn't get free i7s while it was still doable.
:/
>>740881
I bet you could get most people to kill someone if you could prove to them they were actually going to get the money, but up front payments and escrows are the only way. Escrows bring too many people in for most, and up-fronts are too risky for payers..
I know skilled guys who already live off the grid who'd do it for 30k-50k, but most people would do it for 100k
.>>740892
I remember such scams from crime website back in the 90s and early two-thousands.
That scam has a paper trail that even if it doesn't go back to a CC goes back to a store with surveillance.
>>740931
>That scam has a paper trail that even if it doesn't go back to a CC goes back to a store with surveillance.
source?
Retail scams are shit.. The most expensive thing is probably a riding mower for 2k or a PS4 for $400.. Or PC for 700 or 1k
Stores use tubular locks on cages and glass doors for all the electronics and aim cams on them so you can't be stealthy and just pick the lock and make your way out.
Home Depot has generators I think but they probably have networked electronic cables on them.
Generators have no paperwork, and those silent Honda ones and diesel ones easily go for 4k. You can carry it and it fits in a trunk and they are usually in low security zones.
I'd actually do video surveillance of the back and get stuff from there and find how to disable alarms on those pin-tumbler locked back doors.
>>740935
Back in the late 90's a buddy of mine worked in a printing shop. They printed the receipt rolls for home depot. He got one of the rolls and would print up receipts for whatever he wanted. Usually riding lawnmowers. Put the date and time he was gonna be at the store. They park the mowers out front so he would pull up find a worker to help him load it. Off he went. Sometimes he was so convincing that he didnt even have to show the receipt.
>>740939
they backlog receipts on remote databases with receipt serials. They can pull them up on any of the POS computers.
You probably could do that then though cause they didn't roll out the infrastructure and maybe stored it locally at most and purged data to avoid costs.
The 80s and 90s hacking and blackmarket stuff was too easy. Now everything has random numbers cross-referenced against remote databases, crypt, and software holes require months to discover even if you're a talented reverse engineer.
I remember selling a PIII laptop I took out of a car in '97 for 800 dollars inside 3 days and that 800 went far then.. I actually learned to code on stolen computers and can now make money contracting from anywhere in the world. But I still like black-market stuff and studying successful logistics..
If anyone is interested in hacking POS networks in your local store, you have to put a CC RAM scraper on the server in the office. Those POSI terminals that people swipe cards at don't go to the cash register but over a LAN to the POS server blade. It's encrypted all the way up to when the software on the server decrypts it, and the POSI is just small firmware that you can't make generic backdoors for. It's not Linux or NT based.
>>740956
True but how many min wage workers are gonna argue with a customer with a reciept in hand? they arent gonna go check the system to see if its legit. in all honesty have you ever heard of a fake reciept scam getting busted? he can't have been the only one that had this idea. probably the companies know about it but making it public would damage them more than just eating the losses. plus don't they have insurance on high end inventory? i dont know but i would think they could.
>>740810
> I mention it in the text you quoted.. My favorite was that freeway guy in California. Those require human infrastructure though, and the second you're known to lower tiers you are susceptible to police interrogations and task forces..
No, you don't get it.
The billionaires don't live in the U.S. They live in central/south America where they have literally bought the police and politicians in office.
The best the U.S. can do is catch some low level carrier on a boat carrying tons of coke across the Gulf of Mexico. Once the drugs hit land, it is not only disbursed but also in sovereign territory that the U.S. can't touch.
Fun fact: the Mexican cartels are so efficient that they have figured out how to undercut the price of weed and meth made in the U.S., which are now two of their most profitable commodities.
>>737437
Elaborate please
>>7363
>You can invest 1k in software contracting and grow exponential profit in short-turnaround with the end-product's licensing.
Can you elaborate on that?
>>735796
Instead of a PO Box rind a house that's been on the market for a while with no occupants, have whatever you need mailed sent there and then casually pick it up.
>>735671
It happens within financial institutions and banks that employers manage to steal a few millions and get off to Belize, Thailand or any other country with the money.
Not talking about front store employees but higher ups who have access and tools to more systems.
The reason it never makes headlines is that banks keep it secret as it's very bad publicity. they solve it internally. And if someone steals 2 million on a 500 billion balance it's not a big deal for them either.
>>741365
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wcc
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wcc/aryeh-greenes/view
Aryeh Greenes, along with his co-defendant, Aviv Mizrahi (aka Aviv Shoham Schwartz), are wanted for their alleged involvement in defrauding financial institutions of $33 million in California, and elsewhere, from February 2004 to June 2008.
>>741374
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wcc/florian-wilhelm-jrgen-homm/view
The allegedly fraudulent conduct caused at least $200 million in losses to worldwide investors in the hedge funds and allegedly netted Homm and his co-schemers more than $53 million via self-dealing trades made through HWM alone. Following allegations made by a whistleblower in 2006, Homm also sold tens of millions of dollars of his own shares in Absolute Capital before resigning from the firm.
>>741218
I do get it. Drug cartels are infrastructure, and in this case ones in countries where law enforcement can't manage logistics. Even still their sellers cycle prison and jail sentences like in the US.
In the US the people who actually sale are just new generations and cycle in and out of prison.
>>741231
It's rare for people to keep big balances in checking. They put it in savings to collect interest. You can't withdraw from savings without going in a bank to a clerk..
Most dumps are filtered too. The botnet owners who scraped them try them out with ecommerse to figure out the checking balance. They automate shopping carts and linear sort the dumps and pick ones who pass a base balance.
FUN FACT: The pin number, but not the CVV, is actually in the magstripe data on track 1 and track 2, but it's encrypted and encoded with arbritrary encodings and ciphers. The address and name is unencrypted in T1 and T2.
>>735671
I also know of one guy who used to live in my neighborhood.
In the late 1980s he managed to steal for 800 million worth of oil from the Russians and sold it secretly to the south African government (which had an oil ban/boycott from western countries due to the apartheid)
He got it from the then Gorbatsjov communist government on the promise he would pay them as soon as he got paid from South Africa. SA paid him but he never paid the Russians.
He did secret illegal business with the Russians for a long time before so they trusted him..
they tried to assassinate him several times but he got away. Guy now lives on the Bermuda Islands..
He also had several face lifts so the Russians would not recognize him..
http://qz.com/110697/legendary-tycoon-john-deusss-latest-exploit-is-cutting-a-money-laundering-deal-with-dutch-prosecutors/
>>741396
wow.
>>741396
I am acquainted with Mr. Deuss. I have been in the oil trading business since 1980. he used to hold parties in Houston and he would hire models to walk around wearing banners of the cities where he had offices. He had scars on his head and his staff would say the scars were the result of an attempt on his life by Russian operatives The truth is that as a child a scalding pot of water spilled on his head causing those scars. I don't recall hearing of any gossip about his business practices in those days.
I've heard stories of people creating fake facebook accounts of teenage girls and then liking as many dating pages as possible.
Lets just say that people with questionable intentions would suddenly start chatting to these fake accounts.
Can you see where this is heading?
>>741554
>Can you see where this is heading?
n-no, I can't. I'm serious tho. explain pls.
>>741549
I know a guy who is just a oil engineer mid-west in the US, and not even a senior one, and on a bad year he works 3 months of the year and makes 200k..
>>741556
>horny old boomers with no knowledge of the internet
>facebook chatlogs
>people's real accounts
>people's family, including wives
>skype call + recording software
>desperate men suddenly find themselves in a sticky situation
>would be a shame if something were to ruin their career or marriage
>they buy disposable credit cards
>give serial numbers to their new friend
>that new friend buys gambling credit for an online casino
>cashes out
>>741564
Also, I'd recommend any activity involving the internet, money and identity, should be conducted on a secondhand laptop through public wifi.
>>741564
oh, I see, I heard something similar tho.
>dude makes fake girl account
>this old guy starts talking to "her"
>he sends dick pics to the "girl"
>"she" asks him regularly for small amounts of money
>dude sends money
I don't know how much he made.
>>741575
I don't think regular amounts would be a good idea. It's not hard to find these perverts, so a single moderate sized payment from each "client" would be best. Not a good idea to keep a leash on these guys, unless you're sure your proxies/public wifi, and payment method are 100% anonymous.
Although, it would be a good idea to judge each case individually. Figure out how much a guy can spare without it ruining him and/or forcing his hand.
Aiming for lower/middle-class fools.
>>741585
that dude was probably retarded, "she" just asked for money and he would just send it.
>>741549
he has a long long trail of shady business going back to the mid 1960s. Bankruptcies, fraud. corruption , again and again and again etc.
my dad was afraid of him because that guy carried a gun around ( very rare back in the days in my country) and he was called 'the little fuhrer' for a reason.
>>741612
The perv buys the cards in person and gives you the digits.
>>741625
Depends on the person.
I'd say $1k would be about fair, and doable in prepaids. But really it comes down each person.
Apparently these pervs swarm all over teen profiles, so you don't neeeeed to milk every penny out of them, because there are "plenty of fish in the sea" if you know what I mean.
Paypal isn't good, because of ID and they investigate claims of fraud.
Prepaid credit cards can be redeemed directly through online casinos.
Overseas gamblings sites are less likely to bow to international authorities. And it's not likely authorities will even bother them over something as small as $1k.
>>741634
IMO if you say the girl was underage, I don't think they'd investigate. The old dude would be to scared of going to jail.
>>741605
it's basic social engineering.. You can spend at least 2 months building the relationship probably..
>>741387
How risky is it to use one of those CCs?
Looking for an anonymous bank account. Where to start? What are the most used options? Thanks in advance.
>>741948
How about bitcoin.
Or if that isn't an option, isn't there a loophole in the Estonian e residence for this
>>741953
Bitcoin isn't an option; other accounts have to be able to deposit money into this account. It's for short term deposit only. How would e estonia help me?
>>741612
>>741634
I work for an online casino. We have a lot of customers who use prepaid cards. It can work but just don't be a retard like I see a lot.
Person X registers a casino account.
deposits 2 grand via prepaid cards in the first 2 days
Player doesn't play any games
directly tries withdraw it to a bank account.
Of course this raises all kinds of red flags.
We freeze those accounts and ask for a proof of ID and proof of address.
>>741634
Casino manager again here.
Yes they do bother about 1K. If we are not compliant with the license authorities we might get fined or lose our license.
I know from person experience the authorities even check facebook what people are doing. Like we once had a request along these lines : Person X (unemployed nigger) is likely to run a hair salon without paying taxes and receiving government benefits. They saw on facebook she offered all kinds of wigs and weaves for sale. We received a request of information about her spending (more than 20K in 2 months )
Not only that we also get information requests from mobile phone operators about fraudulent behavior
>>741976
In other words we can ignore requests from authorities but the result is that we will be fined if we do .
We get bothered about sums as small as 3/400 bucks..
>>741982
Why would you get fined for that sort of stuff? Aren't you based in Malta or Gibraltar or something?
>>740956
Do you have a jabber or any other IM?
>>741992
because we acquired a license and have to keep to the terms of the license. Part of the license agreement.
And if we lose our license we are not allowed to operate our business and we can simply close it.
I know of one other casino that had a 100K fine because not being compliant.....(after several warnings)
>>738505
Some time back in Houston I went to a delership to test drive a car. It was about 3 in the afternoon and the dealership was by a freeway. We got in the car, he told me the route to take and soon we were driving down a back street. As we neared a bar he told me to pull over at the bar because he needed to get something. Bar was a tittie bar. So, what the heck, went in with him. Salesman says, "Oh shit! Left my wallet back at the dealership! Can you buy us a couple of beers?" I say OK.. Chat with dancers because he knows them all. Quickly finishes beer, get back in car, go back to dealership. Salesman get a call tells me he has to leave. Uh, ok. New salesman comes over. Tell him I have to go. Driving away , mfw fucked jpg.
>>742080
> I forgot my wallet can you buy us a couple of beers...
You fucking retard, the only correct answer to this is "Sorry, I don't drink."
>>741965
That's stupid people trying to launder money..
Prepaids and drop houses can buy stuff anonymously. I can get greendot cards without using real info.
HFT's spoofing.
All day every day.
>>741965
if you wanted to get the 1k without raising flags, what would you need to do? cash in for like 1k, gamble a bit, lose like 100 dollars then cash out like you got scared?
>>742168
what's with people trying to launder through casino sites?
Put like 10k towards a software project by hiring a freelancer and say you wrote it when you do a 1099 or whatever the equiv. in your country is when you're claiming income off the license sales or other revenue stream..
I always knew this place was full of thieving niggers.
You all are pieces of shit
>>742525
We should all be mouth breathers like you and just eat the slices of white bread society throws down for us on the dirty floor until we die..
>>742525
I'd actually bet money you screw people over doing what you do for a living more than like a third of the thieves in your country do combined you're just to dump to understand basic economics..
I like black-market stuff, because I'm not a dog who only eats the stale slices of white bread society throws down on the dirty floor for me to eat and I know that most humans are going to just stop existing around 60 years old anyway and religion is just for bad people to support public image politically..
>>742549
Get a job
>>742557
I saw your stupid white bread metaphor the first time
How big of a loser are you?
>>742520
I think the main idea is to receive the money anonymously, then launder it later, once it's secured.
I'd have thought a man of average means would have to dripfeed himself via fake ebay sales or similar, but this software method looks much better, since the product apparently sold is intangible. I'd be interested to hear more...
>>742525
>I always knew this place was full of thieving jews
fix'd.
What's with these angry man-boys in the thread? Is this /biz/ or /b/?
Nigs can't even do the stuff in this thread..
bump for more jewing.
>>735759
Basically someone had a digital-cash printing machine right there. Sweet.
>>735671
Any burglars here? How do you scope out a place? If I was hitting a rich neighbourhood I wouldn't want to park my car and watch, that would be pretty obvious.
Is there some sort of portable camera with at least a 24 hour battery I can set down to watch people leave their garage for a few weeks to gauge their schedules?
I've been practicing with lockpicks so I think I already have an edge (never thought of burglary before, it's just cool).
>>735671
The biggest financial crimes have been more recent than you think, just the people pulling it have the power to make it legal.
