Do you guys realize that most people who earn over 100k a year do shit that you could EASILY do if someone taught you? Think of it as like a hurdles race with different height hurdles. The reality is that all of you are capable of jumping the highest hurdle. But most ppl who earn 100k+ want you to believe that most ppl cant do what they can do.
I can teach soneone with an 80 iq how to be a pharmacist
>>1252145
Why do you think labor unions are so protective and difficult to get into?
Because literally ANYBODY can be a longshoreman, dock worker, nurse, etc.
My college dropout girlfriend makes 120k+ cleaning after patients and calling a doctor when something actually happens.
Literally a robot can do her job... and likely will in the near future.
>>1252145
>Do you guys realize that you can do anything in the world other people can do and more if you put the effort in?
Fixed that for you.
You can become a world class athlete, a mathematician, an inventor, a billionaire, a world-class investor, etc.
The differential is putting the effort in and actually working hard
>>1252145
You don't seem to understand, those jobs are not paying you 100k for the task/work you are doing, they are paying you for your status. There are people who struggled years to get where they are, it's like a tribal kind of thing. We are still pretty primitive if you think about it, it's all very imaginary.
This is so dumb. There are so many things you're not taking into account.
>>1252145
i earn about $25k 99% of the people who earn $100k or more couldn't ever learn to do my job especially no on the same level.
such is life.
>>1252210
All right, I'll take your bait. What in hell do you do for $25,000 that 99% of people who earn $100,000 could not do on the same level you do?
>>1252246
i'm a senior dev and team leader in the software development branch of an industrial automation and integration firm (not in the us hence the shit pay).
first of all you really have to understand a dozen levels of technology involved and how it gets integrated. from sensors to networks and databases. the amount of potential to something just not working right for a solution is staggering. sometimes tcp/ip fucks you in the ass or at least the retarded and incompatible implementation by some vendors.
second you need to be a capable programmer which is rare like a white crow. lots of programmers out there sadly almost all of them are shit. the uni grads are outright useless we only found one that wasn't so far.
third you have to be able to actually develop the technology you work with for your team this means researching and inventing new ways to program stuff that is more efficient and more maintainable. i'm not even going to get into how much your average programmer is not capable of this shit.
sometimes i think i'm the retarded that i didn't split for a more developed country i could make 4 times or more easy.
>>1252259
>$25k/yr to be a code monkey
lol you're getting ripped off, even H-1b visas get paid more.
>>1252262
nah code monkeys here get paid about $10k or less. interns fresh out of uni get paid $2,4k.
>>1252262
He's not a code monkey, he's a senior dev. I imagine that means he's doing UML diagrams, specifications, talking to the client, that sort of thing.
He probably has a team of programmers under him
>>1252265
more or less i fucking hate uml it's retarded as nine hell. i have sort of my own notation that i use when i specify things much simpler and cleaner.
>>1252271
You know I'm trying to be a programmer in the US and I didn't really give a fuck about anything until I was over 20.
I'll probably be a really shitty programmer even though I work hard.
I think it's fucked up that I make more money than your underlings even though I don't even have an associates degree yet
>>1252274
like i said such is life.
i kind of made peace with it i don't plan to work till the grave anyways that is why i'm interested in /biz/ and stuff i spend most of my nights learning stuff about finance and economics and how to trade stocks and whatnot.
when i get tired i learn some astronomy or physics stuff that really interested me when i was a child.
when i'm too tired for that i just shitpost here and there.
>>1252278
Keep it up, man.
Where are you from?
>>1252281
hungary (ex commie block shithole)
sad thing is now i get to watch my country getting fucked up we will end up like kosovo i tell you. fucking overbearing putinist mafia state shits up the economy and the future.
there was a time like a decade ago when i had hope. no i just wait for the right moment to split before it's too late.
>>1252145
Yes I discovered this over the last year.
All life is either salesmanship or nepotism.
ie: you're born into the haves, or you can convince the haves to let them join you.
Even the most complicated job on earth is still just memorization followed by application of the knowledge.
Connections and know how > legit being smart.
>>1252290
Connections and know-how IS legit being smart.
Approaching people who are more powerful and resourceful than you to engage in a relationship that will benefit you is fucking hard, way harder than rolling out of bed every day and learning/working
>>1252164
Wrong. Billionares for example, need to be smart, work hard and take risk.
Mathemeticians need at least 150 iq to truly wrestle with concepts that progress current understanding.
Working hard has nothing to do with it. Most of the ppl who make ovef 100k got there by kissing ass, and promising they wouldnt spill the secret that i am spilling now.
The reality is that there are alot of lazy ppl who deserve to be payed more.
And that alot of hard workers, like you, deserve to be payed less.
>>1252145
Why do you think people go to college?
>>1252164
Also, as for hard work to be an inventor, watch shark tank, and look at how hard some people have worked their brains to produce worthless ideas. Most of the ppl on shark tank literally worrked themselves and their brains to the max capacity, and all they could come up with is some soap with coconut oil in it- basically shit a 5 year old could come up with. Its funny how they think working hard = success. People in india with the equivalent iq of these shark tank inventors are literally eating rats and tarantulas to survive
>>1252339
They shouldnt. You can learn anything u need to learn from wikipedia, forums, and if u need, hiring a tutor or grad student for 20 bucks an hour. The latter still being cheaper than college by orders of mag
>>1252289
I wouldnt go that far.
I am a trump supporter/ libertarian.
I believe that if you dream up the cure for cancer on your own, you are einstein tier and deserve your multi-billion dollar capitalist reward. Most very rich people are stupendously talented. The reason many people seem to do well because of nepotism is actually because iq is 80 percent heritable. The kids of einstein and marie curie would do big things, no matter what field they entered. Ppl would then falsely assume its because einstein and marie curie were rich.
The point im making is that there are alot of very stupid people who, short of billionare/millionare status, still make a shitload 100k+ etc because ass kissing and feigning professionalism/competence is easy.
Steve jobs for example was mostly lucky with little talent. He couldnt do things that his engineers could do, yet he payed his engineers about one thousanth 1/1000 of what he payed himself. There more people in this world who can dream up pretty hand held music players and computers than there are people who can actually build them. Just like there are more winklevosses than zuckerbergs. Zuckerbergs are the limiting factor.
I think the people who are actually making the crushing engineering developements should be the billlionares. But most settle for being the workhorse for people like steve jobs.
Apples engineers are smart enough to realize they cant cure cancer by thinking about it, but jobs obviously wasnt. Yet jobs was paid more before lunchtime than his engineers earned annually.
>>1252164
>You can become whatever you want if you just work hard enough
When will this meme die? You can become a decent athlete by practicing a lot, but there are other circumstances that factor in. Things like metabolism and height factor in, and good luck becoming a world-class ice hockey player growing up in rural Texas. If you don't have access to ice your entire childhood it doesn't matter how hard you work, you'll never be able to make up for all that lost opportunity to learn.
I actually believe you mathematics one to be decently apt though I don't know enough about the development of the human brain to say for sure if there are genetic/developmental differences in the brain that determine intelligence or if it is simply a matter of caring, studying, and practicing.
Inventor sure, but you need a fuckton of luck to make it big. You can slave away on something only to be beaten to market, find out there is no market, realize you've been pursuing a stupid idea the whole time, or have some chinaman rip off your design and sell it for a fraction of the cost.
Billionaire, same thing. If you thing effort translates into wages you're simply wrong. If you're talking Bill Gates/Mark Zuckerberg style billionaires, you need the same kinds of luck as mentioned in the inventor category. If you're talking about investing, you need capital if you're going to get three commas. You're not going to get there by chipping ten thousand a year and playing the market right.
You can work hard as fuck and not reach your goals. That's life. It's not unfair, it's just the reality. It's not something society needs to change, and we don't need to pretend it isn't true. So don't.
>>1252358
>Okay Anon, welcome to your interview. It says on your resume that you have no formal postsecondary education. Where exactly did you learn how to design a fusion reactor?
>Uhh... I read the wikipedia page on cold fusion once
>>1252145
Thats why you should major in finance
>>1252397
In my previous post I disagreed with your education statement but I do agree with what you have here. Lots of people who make the actual earth-shaking discoveries, doing the hard work, are making other people rich. Not that engineers don't get a solid wage, but they're the backbones of the companies, not a figurehead like Jobs.
Unfortunately for the engineers, most of them don't have the resources on their own to form a research group to tackle big projects, so they go work for corporations that do. In the process their hard work in designing the product needs to subsidize the cost of all the administrative, sales, support, and legal positions.
Such is the way of the world.
>>1252145
vast majority of people who earn more than 100k are people who have been in the same house for 10-30 years. only
depending wheter you live in usa or europe, and if your salary includes insurances and other costs, only 4-6% of people earn over 100 pre tax
>>1252397
a true capitalist would open the borders so he can hire for less wages and stick his middle finger up at the plebs
>>1252430
If wages drop too far across the board, so do sales. You need those plebs to keep buying your product, and they can't do that if they're unemployed. There's a tipping point somewhere, but removing minimum wage and opening the borders will go far beyond equilibrium in the direction of lost sales, unless you're like Wal-Mart or some other business that caters to people on welfare.
>>1252408
I actually graduated one of the best colleges in the us. When cannon was the writing center. It just disgusts me how people try to make a nich for their intelligence level by overcomplicating everything they come across. Alot of fields try to overcomplicate/muddy the waters so that the participants can seem more expert by learning a bunch of conceptually trivial shit that they can grasp. Example- law school, med school.
Right of passage shit. "I memorized the law/medical textbook in which the most difficult concepts were understandable to the avg 12 year old... now pay me my 200,000$ a year!"
>>1252164
>You can become a world class athlete
no I can't
I have no agility whatsoever
>>1252259
>25k$ a year in hungary
>bad
pls
>>1252604
Hey at least you wont go...
. Baboom ching!
>>1252601
>I have no agility whatsoever
Because you've never trained.
You don't just wake up with "agility" one day
>>1252145
>But most ppl who earn 100k+ want you to believe that most ppl cant do what they can do.
Duh. I'm at 60k right now with 2 years of experience in my field. I'll likely jump to 75 this year on my third year review so 100k isn't far off at all. If everyone trying for 100k+ jobs then they wouldn't be worth that much. Keep yourself in demand by keeping supply of workers with your skills low. If that means spreading maymays like 'CS work will be outsourced so don't bother" then so be it.
>>1252145
>But most ppl who earn 100k+ want you to believe that most ppl cant do what they can do.
>I can teach soneone with an 80 iq how to be a pharmacist
Is that why you're earning $100k/yr?
Yeah thought so. You're posting on 4chan, you are a NEET or a college student just like all of us here.
>>1252164
>You can become a world class athlete
In terms of weight loss, muh genetics is a lie that fat people tell themselves to feel better. But in terms of being a pro athlete, it really is genetics and you will always fail compared to the genetic freak that is running a pharmacy in his anus.
>>1252822
explain... what are may mays
>>1252825
Same poster but wrong post. The maymay (a meme for the wrong pronunciation of 'meme') is that jobs in programming will all be sent over to India where Pajeet will do it for a fraction of the cost so new people trying to study CS shouldn't bother because they'll end up with a worthless degree.
The truth is that Pajeet is a terrible programmer and companies that outsource end up hiring american firms to fix the shit fest that pajeet pulled off the streets. If you say you're a developer with any kind of experience on LinkdIn, expect a never ending stream of recruiters trying to pull you in. If you can't find work with this degree, you're worthless.
>>1252259
>senior dev
>25k
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>>1252397
>But most settle for being the workhorse for people like steve jobs.
I think it's because most engineer types live pretty simple means. A place to sleep a night, money for your tech junk, food in your stomach, clothes on your back and maybe a decent car. What more do you really need?
>>1252331
That's an exaduration. Anyone can learn problems just the lower in you have the longer it will take to learn the problem. Noone is always pushing them selves to learn something. For my math exams I could only study the same week of an exam for every exam and still get an a in the class. Imagine if I tried doing that the entire month before the first exam? I'd be ready for the final and then some.
>>1252835
>If you say you're a developer with any kind of experience on LinkdIn, expect a never ending stream of recruiters trying to pull you in.
I dunno man, I'm a dev with 3 years of experience and I get maybe 1 recruiter a month and it's usually bullshit.
I'm trying to get out of webdev and won't touch oracle or microshit though.
>>1252259
im a senior dev that makes ~140k/yr and I can do/be trained to do your job.
Myth busted.
>Implying jobs merely pay you for the work you do, but not also the working conditions and decreased quality of life.
I think most people could do my job. I know most people can't handle the life and sacrifices involved in it though.
>>1252397
WTF did I just read?
>>1252397
Nah, Steve Jobs had a quality that almost nobody who worked for him had. Or else they would not have been working for him; they would have been getting rich on their own.
I'm not sure what that quality was. Steve disowned his own child (no sense of obligation to anything). He would work ridiculous hours and expect others to keep up. He claimed that LSD changed his life.
There are a lot of people who are too scared to be bold; it would be a "risk" to their family, though some are able to build empires by getting their families to be very supportive - or very forgiving of the busy schedule. There are many (very intelligent) people who simply don't want to work more than 8 hours a day once they've reached a certain level of comfort in life. Maybe certain drugs truly unlock some sort of genius or passion, and LSD worked for Jobs. I'm sure I could find more potential qualities that set Jobs aside from others, but this is what I know anecdotally.
The point is, Jobs had some quality that made him one in a million.
>>1253277
He was just a good marketer.
>>1252259
>i think i'm the retarded that i didn't split for a more developed country
You only got hired to do what you do because you work so cheap.
>>1253258
engineers who actually do the stuff(iphones, new tech etc) should be the billionares because they are doing the actual work
in reality the billionares are(mostly) only people who are, in all fairness, replaceable
>>1252145
legit
but it's not easy
going from zero to $30k (in an expensive area) and it's going to take a measure of effort to move up from here & you can guarantee the easiest way is to look the part, maintain a funnel of potential jobs and lie lie lie on that resume
>>1252145
OP has a point. Currently making $85k in banking with a partial bachelors. I will hit $100k in a few years. And this is for a gig where I do maybe 30-35 hours of actual work per week. Technically, my job isn't difficult. In the end it's about experience and making good professional judgement calls
>>1252259
You live in a place where the cost of living is lower.
Some of the people who state relatively high salaries live in places where the cost of living is so high that they pretty much have to get lucky on stock grants or options to really be able to buy housing.
I'm not sure where you are but $25,000 may actually be a relatively strong wage in your country.
>>1252164
>hard work equal sccuess
point at him and laugh
it's all connections.
>>1252285
bro what the fuck are you doing? Hungary is in the EU so you don't really have an excuse.
if you are not bullshitting, i can literally get you a job in the UK doing the same thing for a proper wage. i know of at least one systems integrator that is crying out for people like you.
>>1252809
>Because you've never trained.
4 years karate, 2 years cuu long vo dao and one year of gymnastics
and I've never been good at these
>You don't just wake up with "agility" one day
as a kid/teen, in sports class, everyone succeeded in basic tasks (like playing volleyball, running...)
I didn't, had less than 10/20 grades and was always in the handicapped row, with the fat asses and the retarded (although I was skinny and normie)
>>1252912
you are in the 1% i guess, i never said nobody can i said very few can compared to how many earns way more than me. but a couple of ten or hundred thousands on the world easily.
>>1253419
it is relatively, but price parity is only 1.6 with the us so it would be $40k salary in the us or something like that.
>>1253573
i'm not bullshitting sadly there are two factors that hold me back, my gf who don't want to leave the country till her parents are alive and i kinda never finished my degree so i will start on it next year.
eventually i will split no question, right now might not be the best time for me. till then i will gain some more exp and learn some more stuff and earn some money so i can last a couple of months in a western country till i find work.
>>1252145
It's not even because of unions, it's just the simple fact that most jobs do not require much more than a 16 year old's maths skills and literacy. Social skills and hard work on top of those basically ensure you can be successful
>>1252259
Being capable still means you have to learn but OP means that everyone is capable of learning.
And you're overrating your job massively. "Capable programmers" are not rare. "Programmers who can be hired and already know the domain specific knowledge of my specific workplace" are rare... but people who are capable of learning are not.
>>1252259
i feel bad now. I got a job paying 80k a year in the tech field and i know shit all about anything.
>>1252857
Yeah I feel like OP is characterizing this as a case of a bunch of loser shmucks missing out on a golden opportunity, when the reality is that it's all about your ultimate desire and only a handful of people are willing to make the tradeoffs in life that the path to Steve Jobs-tier success demands from you.
>>1252345
i can't help but laugh at how stupid people are. they dedicated their who deluded lives to make a piece of shit.
>>1253648
maybe they are rare in my country because all the ones that had some sense left for england or germany.
plausible enough when i think about it.
>>1253673
To be fair working with straight TCP/IP is a huge pain in the balls.
Try to move.
>>1253681
that was just an example how the communication problems from late ACK between a PLC and a PC can fuck everything up in a timing sensitive industrial automation scenario. it was a completely overlook minuscule detail in that solution that fucked us. the incompatible frame size used by the two network card also contributed to the problem.
My main point is that most ppl who are earning over 100k a year are nothing special. i think you should be payed based on value, not based on how hard you worked. As an example, If a guy picks a smart ugly girl to have kids with over a dumb good looking girl, he should be rewarded by having his kids intellect give him a better life. The kid payed for his iq by also getting his mothers not so great looks, so he should be rewarded for the sacrifice that was manifested in his creation.
Alot of seemingly competent 100k'ers dont deserve to make what they make. Like the typical real estate agent who smiles so hard they look like they are taking a shit. You shouldnt be payed 500-1000 bucks a day to walk people around a house an say "Heres the kitchen".
Alot of people who dont make that much, on the other hand, deserve to be payed more. Engineers deserve to make much more than they do, even if they are currently making plenty of money.
Mainly, i think there are too many stupid people in the us who get payed way more than they deserve, just because they worked hard and feigned competence. And alot of lazy brilliant ppl are being taken advantage of.
>>1252158
>My college dropout girlfriend makes 120k+ cleaning after patients and calling a doctor when something actually happens.
>Literally a robot can do her job... and likely will in the near future.
Nursing probably has the highest pay to lowest work skill set ratio of any high paying career.
The only worst skill to pay ratio are Silicon Valley VTA fucking Union Bus drivers...
Get paid 120k (not including overtime) average for driving a bus...
WTF? Fucking Unions.
>>1254086
>most ppl who are earning over 100k a year are nothing special.
This is why Unions exist and why they fight tooth and nail to protect their ridiculous salaries
>>1254086
>My main point is that most ppl who are earning over 100k a year are nothing special.
"$100,000 bus driver pay explained"
One of the reasons many VTA bus drivers make more than $100,000 a year is that transit labor Unions makes it extremely difficult to fill driver positions, VTA General Manager Michael Burns told the Palo Alto post."
"But the longshoremen who move the goods the shortest distance, between ship and shore, have shrewdly protected pay that trumps that of many white-collar managers. About half of West Coast union longshoremen make more than $100,000 a year — some much more, according to shipping industry data."
My college graduate friend is trying to get into the Oakland port longshoreman's union.
He's in a waiting list of like 5,000... and the list doesn't move. The only people that get in are relatives of the Union members and people who are either connected, or pay bribes.
>>1254163
"The Bay Area VTA employs 75 bus drivers who make $100,000 a year or more, including one, Kenneth Darden, who made $191,210 last year."
Why does a bus drivers deserve to make $100,000?
> Burns said bus drivers have a difficult job because they are in the public eye, forced to deal with the citizen face-to-face and because they can’t just take a bathroom break whenever they need to.
let me repeat that: Bus drivers deserve $100k salaries because they have to deal with PEOPLE! and can't pee anytime they want!!!!
>>1254086
>kid payed for his iq by also getting his mothers not so great looks
It's a horribly naive assumption to make that being intelligent and being attractive are mutually exclusive, if not even positively correlated.
What you get paid isn't a function of how hard you work, it's a function of how desirable and difficult to acquire the work you do is. Polishing rocks on a beach is hard, but no one wants polished rocks so nobody pays for it. Working at McBurger might be valuable to McBurger but it's not hard to find, train, or replace McBurger employees so the pay is shit.
The guy up above whining about how he makes shit pay doing higher level software work seems to miss the reason software devs make so much elsewhere in the world: those places aren't ex-soviet shitholes and workers doing work in those areas are less desirable than someone of equal skills in already in a first world country.
People get this idea that your paycheck is something you "deserve", or "earn", or that there is someone or something measuring the value of a man and assigning him a dollar value. It's just not true. A CEO makes millions of dollars not because they deserve or earned anything but because the company needs a CEO and the smart money is on attracting a hopefully talented person with pricey salaries and benefits rather than taking a spin on training John From Accounting for the job.
>>1254215
> What you get paid isn't a function of how hard you work, it's a function of how desirable and DIFFICULT to acquire the work you do is
And that's where labor unions come in.
How do we protect easy, low skilled jobs that anybody can do, yet earn ridiculously high salaries?
Create unnecessary barriers to entry.
Labor Unions create these barriers with miles and miles of red tape and "safety" "security" regulations.
>>1254215
>A CEO makes millions of dollars
Because they can do something that you cannot. The free market chooses to pay them those salaries... no body is forcing this high pay.
Labor Unions on the other hand... get paid ridiculously high salaries for doing things that ANYBODY can do. The free market does not choose to pay them their ridiculous salaries, but the Labor Unions forces them to through extortion and thuggery.
People thinking corporations are better served by cutting CEO salaries really should be targeting labor unions and their artificially Forced cost...
>>1254182
>Why does a bus drivers deserve to make $100,000?
>> Burns said bus drivers have a difficult job because they are in the public eye, forced to deal with the citizen face-to-face and because they can’t just take a bathroom break whenever they need to.
>let me repeat that: Bus drivers deserve $100k salaries because they have to deal with PEOPLE! and can't pee anytime they want!!!!
BTW, private sector bus drivers in Palo Alto average $55k salary. That means there are a pool of workers happy to drive busses for half the pay of a TWA bus driver.
How does the TWA justify their $120k salaries extorted form the tax payers?
>muh unions
I don't know what the fuck is wrong with the US, but here no one with a six figure salary is unionized (except doctors, if you call their organization an union.)
Meanwhile I see plenty of bumbling incompetent idiots getting paid to ""manage"" shit badly because they "network" with the right people.
>>1252145
My job is in outside sales, which is easy to learn but hard to be successful at. I sell services to legal firms in Wash DC.
I leave the house at 8 in the morning, and usually dont get home until 10ish. Everyday is a business lunch with clients, and a few nights a week are dinners as well. Do happy hour once a week with some younger clients, and once a week with rest of sales team.
Lawyers in DC work 24/7, so if a client needs something at 3AM, I have to work. Type A alpha lawyers are not easy to please. My "free time" is spent with my phone in hand, constantly monitoring emails and the occasional shitpost on /pol/.
I have no life or relationships with anyone other than clients/coworkers and a few bros from high school. My girlfriend left me. I come home to a empty $2500 apartment every night.
99% of people would not make it in this job. You need to not care about anything other than making money. That being said, the money is fucking good.
I'm projected to make ~$300,000 this year.
>>1254458
specifically what do you mean by outside sales? what services do you sell to attorneys?
>>1254295
>Let's cut eachother's throats in a race to the bottom guys!
>What could go wrong?!
You're looking at it all the wrong way. There are companies willing to pay $100k a year to bus drivers. As such, other bus drivers should be asking for more.
>>1254468
Outside sales meaning I don't really have a office/desk that I report to every day. I go from client to client office's throughout the day.
The company I work for sells alot of shit. My entry level service is access to our database which organizes antitrust+competition law, banking and consumer finance law, securities and corporate law, bird law, etc. into streamlined, searchable entries that save a lot of time for the law firms.
Individual State laws are constantly changing wrt securities shit. I sell access to software that supplys the latest news, laws, regulations, cases, policy statements, etc and allows you to make pretty graphs to show off to clients.
Just a few examples.
>>1254285
>Because they can do something that you cannot.
Not always true. Many people inherit such statuses and use it to generate passive income. But then again I suppose not everybody can be born into a nepotistic network. If you see that as a talent, then I suppose I can have no qualms with what you've said.
>Labor Unions on the other hand... get paid ridiculously high salaries for doing things that ANYBODY can do
Go start a welding internship tomorrow, Arguile.
Or maybe dynamite some tunnels. Or operate heavy and complex machinery.
Not eveyone can do that.
>>1254315
This is true. Every middle manager I've ever met was playing a retarded game where they fluctuated between trying to actually run a business logically, and trying to meat their own bosses ridiculous, uninformed demands and deadlines, borne from some Goebbelsian bullshitting of some filthy rich client who isn't interested in the implementation details of anything they pay for
>>1254500
how are you making that much? from google, it looks like outside sales ppl make 30-60k
>>1254285
>falls for the lolbertarian meme
>>1254278
Everyone else does the same thing with nepotism, cronyism, degrees, and certifications. Everything sucks because everyone has a vice grip on each other's testicles, and if we just collectively loosened that grip, we'd be free to move around a bit. But anytime someone points this out, the collective grip tightens, and everyone ironically says "That's collectivism, Hoss. Collectivism don't work."
Or idealism. Or whatever.
I anticipate responses in which the symbolic grip on my nuts is tightened. Or no responses at all.
>>1254517
My salary is only $35,000 a year. The rest of my money comes from commissions.
For example if a sign a law firm up for a service, I get a certain percentage of the upfront cost that we charge that company. That's what that $10,000 check was that I got on May 12th in my screenshot. We then bill the company for using the service every 3 months, and I get a cut of that as well.
>>1254545
wow , what kind of degree do i need for your job? im assuming same job different companies exist in every state? Do you do the pitch yourself or do you have partners that help you ?
>>1254611
On a different WiFi so don't mind the change in IDs.
Yes, we have people in every major city internationally.
As far as pitching is concerned, I am in charge of my getting my foot in the door. I get the clients started using our systems, and then once I build a rapport with the customer I offer more high end services which I bring in specialists for who know more than i do. I basically have been taught just enough about our offerings to plant the seeds for future services.
I graduated with a communications degree (kek) from a state school. I started out cold calling for Groupon right out of college. Did well, and got recruited to sell pharmaceuticals after that. Did well there, and moved on to selling sailboats/yachts. My current boss bought a 62' Marlow Explorer off of me and offered me an opportunity because of how dedicated I was to his satisfaction.
>>1254202
I got u man. Ive actually read that good looks and intelligence are positively correlated. All im saying is that the chance of landing a girl both as smart and as good looking as natalie portman is much smaller than the chance of landing a girl as smart as natalie portman but not so good looking. There are going to be about as many smart good looking girls as smart not so good looking girls. But bc of the demand structure you will have an easier time landing someone like scheldons girlfriend than natalie Portman. Girls that are both very smart and very attractive have egos that make charlie sheen and the dolan look tame. Its hard to tap that shit. If it isnt its because they are the typical hot/smart girl who for some reason has esteem issues so becomes a massice slut. It happens.
>>1252438
In this case you'd be increasing the consumer base. Adding more people with low wages will not drag on sales. There will still be those making higher wages.
>>1252809
lol is this a joke?
not everyone can be a word class athlete.
>>1252893
>I'm trying to get out of webdev and won't touch oracle or microshit though.
why even bother posting your response? no wonder you're not desirable, and you know it...
>>1253281
yes its soooooo simple. keep telling yourself you could be the next steve jobs if only you applied yourself.
>>1252450
>"I memorized the law/medical textbook in which the most difficult concepts were understandable to the avg 12 year old... now pay me my 200,000$ a year!"
So why aren't YOU memorizing those books, if it's so easy?
>>1254500
Thats cool man. Eventually what your offering is going to be everywhere tho, so the open season is going to end. If your company can innovate and continue making better case-google big data improvements, you will be set. But if not the niche you find yourself in will eventually close up. The only consistently stable investment is iq. Samsung surprised alot of idiots, but wasnt surprising to ppl who knew south koreans had the highest national avg iq in the world.
>>1252145
>I can teach soneone with an 80 iq how to be a pharmacist
Becoming a pharmacist requires four years of education at a pharmacy school, plus the cost of going.
>>1254776
I know. I have a friend who did it. He said he spent 4 years learning what he couldve learned in 1, and the most difficult math involved was pre-algebra level
>>1254810
What about the cost? What's the cost like?
>>1252835
>If you say you're a developer with any kind of experience on LinkdIn, expect a never ending stream of recruiters trying to pull you in.
i should try that i guess.
>>1254491
>There are companies willing to pay $100k a year to bus drivers
lol
There are no companies willingly paying bus drivers 100k+ salaries.
TWA_250 and SEIU forces these companies to pay 100k salaries or else they'll picket, strike, or lay down in the streets to stop other people from working.
Try reading my other posts. The private sector only pays bus drivers 55k.
Only Unions can force the public sector to extort tax dollars for ridiculously inflated pay.
>>1254969
>Forces
It's a contract. The company signed the contract. Nobody held a gun to their head forcing them to sign it.
I work in the private sector, and all of the crafts in my company pay much higher than the same non-unionized crafts outside of it.
Why is that? Because collective bargaining is a valuable tool that gets you job security, benefits, and higher wages.
>B-b-but muh free market
Contracts are signed all the time in the free market. It's far more reasonable to expect 5,000 employees to band together and sign a contract than it is for them to individually try to get a contract. They'll also get a much worse deal by working by themselves instead of together.
So yeah, stop complaining that others have it better than you because they work together instead of stabbing each other in the back in some stupid little rat race to the bottom that you willfully engage in.
I talked to an engineer the other day who makes over 100k at his job, which is close to double my salary. He's already trained me on the stuff he currently does. Really the work output doesn't ever change, it's just the fact that you've established yourself as the guy the company doesn't want to lose.
>>1254977
jesus christ, you sound like a caracature of a Union goon.
complete with Union pamphlet talking points and all.
I'm glad most of your fucking union goon jobs are fucking dead, automated, or outsourced...
have fun collectively bargaining your non existent, outsourced industry to death
>>1255002
>If I suck enough management cock maybe they'll give me more money!
See how far that gets you. In the meantime, I'll be enjoying my superior benefits, pay, retirement, and overall quality of life compared to some loser that complains about people refusing to work for pennies.
>>1254765
What I offer already is everywhere though. There are at least 40 companies in DC alone that are similar to the one I work for.
Difference is we have a better product. Our services are used by 90% of all fortune 500 companies
>>1254727
This sounds like a real career... You actually worked yourself up the ladder. Must be awesome.
>>1255002
>have fun collectively bargaining your non existent, outsourced industry to death
This.
There are a few nearsighted Union donkeys that still repeat Union lines and are dumb enough to think they'll be able to live off of that fat Union teet for the rest of their lives.
Most people like my father and brother saw their industry decline coming and developed other employable skills.
These union goons living fat off of their corruption will be the fist people in the streets picketing and crying about how "big bad capitalism" outsourced their jobs
>>1255008
Wow.
Are you actually bragging that you're overpaid and get ridiculous benefits that you don't deserve?
And here I thought Union members couldn't get any dumber.
>>1255002
You sound like a capitalist pig dog
>>1255089
>Implying superior compensation=overpaid
There's a reason wages have stagnated for the most part. Because people haven't been fighting for higher ones.
Back to OP's point.
Agreed. America is full of idiots making 100k that have very little to do with their skills. The Union posters in here are providing great proof.
>>1254163
>One of the reasons many VTA bus drivers make more than $100,000 a year is that transit labor Unions makes it extremely difficult to fill driver positions, VTA General Manager Michael Burns told the Palo Alto post."
>>1255008
>I'll be enjoying my superior benefits, pay, retirement, and overall quality of life compared to some loser that complains about people refusing to work for pennies.
Your typical proud bus driving Union thug, ladies and gentlemen.
>>1255096
It's sad really. That people think getting paid a fairly negotiated and contracted wage between you and your employer is somehow "outsourcing" your work or anything but the best course of business.
>>1255107
>fairly negotiated
Like the verizon Union workers that lay down in the streets to keep other verizon workers from getting to work?
Like the verizon Union workers that sabotaged their replacement workers equipment and lines?
HOLY SHIT "fairly negotiated" LOLLOLOLLOLOLOOLO
Might want to look up the word "extortion" and learn why it is a crime in first world countries...
>>1255106
>listening to a man that is trying to save face because the masses somehow think a career spanning 4 decades shouldn't be well compensated
You need to stop believing everything you read.
>>1255119
agreed. only Union pamphlets tell the truth. all the major news outlets and everyone else is a liar!
>>1255122
Brah, tell you what, if you ever want to go to a union meeting and see what it's all about, I'll let you tag along.
>>1255127
Read my earlier posts. My brother and father are both members of TWA_250.
Why do you think I know Union propaganda and talking points so well?
typo... TWU local chapter 250
>>1254756
All I'm saying is that if you aspire to be more than a corporate codemonkey or web bitch you're going to have to put in some effort. I don't advertise my skills in those things because I don't want to be stuck in that mire.
>>1255136
Did your father and brother molest you or something?
>>1252331
>Working hard has nothing to do with it
This is what poor people actually believe
>>1255136
Oh... and guess who is spending MILLIONs to lobby the US government to make driverless cars and busses Illegal?
Driverless bus = kiss those 100k bus driver jobs goodbye.
>>1255151
>People trying to protect their jobs
OH NO! THE HORROR!
>>1255161
>>People trying to protect their jobs
People trying to bribe the government to stop progress that helps 99.99% of society but hurts the 0.001% of bus drivers.
Are you deliberately being obtuse?
>>1255172
Union Bus Drivers (The other 1%)
>>1255172
You don't complain when oil companies do it, but somehow the common man trying to take political action that has a legitimate safety factor is abhorrent to you.
Drink bleach.
>>1254086
excluding profession of doctors and 1% of succesfull entrepreneurs who actually make big money, yes, they are special. in terms of experience, not in terms of talent or skills.
most of them are baby boomers and simply have been in the same house for decades. so they know the are of the business, the house, the competitors and the companies they make business inside out. it would take a novice often 5-10 years jus to know amount of people they know.
>>1255107
Yeah, it's sad that people don't want their tax money being used to pay bus drivers 120k per year.
Feel the bern
>>1255182
>You don't complain when oil companies do it
see... now you're just making wild assumptions.
> Drink bleach.
and u mad too.
>>1255216
So basically what you're now saying is that you dislike anyone that doesn't have the same opinions, concerns, or stakes as you.
i.e. a child
>>1255008
If life was fair, and people were payed based on their worth to society, you would be hungry as fuck right now.
>>1255232
Not him but um... you just told someone to drink bleach for disagreeing with you kek
>>1252145
>ppl who earn 100k+ want you to believe that most ppl cant do what they can do.
Oh if its so simple, then why don't they do what I do?
>>1255148
Thats not what i mean. Hard work can get you far, but that doesnt mean you deserve what success you encounter.
I could replace 90 percent of americas doctors with lazier people from germany south korea and japan who would be better doctors (save more lives) than the american doctors they replace. You shouldnt be rewarded for effort more than you are rewarded for natural talent, because the ability to give effort is a talent itself. comedus (joaquin pheonix) from gladiator was more ambitious and motivated than maximus (russell crowe) but does that mean we should worship comedus and disdain maximus?
>>1252145
Holy shit OP, your post just reeks of the Dunning-Kruger effect. You probably posted this because you think you could just do anybody's job with some meager amount of training. Some positions literally require years of experience, and complex problems do get solved "EASILY", but through knowing your shit and maintaining a position in a relevant field for decades. What about highly complex jobs that require certain traits that you simply do not fucking have?
What about a power plant manager? They have levelled up through the ranks, jumping over progressively larger hurdles while literally hundreds of old colleagues are left back in the fucking dust because they will simply never be competent enough to level up. The power plant manager's colleagues have long quit and found other jobs.
What about jobs that require travel to remote areas, you cannot be taught this, but many people refuse to leave their city due to family etc. and are therefore incapable of doing the job.
I am from a different school of thought where I believe some people have used all their potential already, or simply never had any.
What about disabilities? Being Helen Keller would put a fucking hamper on your pharmacy training charade.
I work in a plant and having somebody with an 80 IQ would first baffle me, because they probably shouldn't have finished school or have the functional knowledge base. Second, there is just too much fucking random complex computerized machinery, legal codes, math formulae, tools, procedures and processes. An average dumbass would fail so hard, ruin equipment, and probably be injured. They would for sure be fired.
Wtf OP?
>>1255351
But theyre right, most people cant. There's nothing wrong with that belief
>>1252145
This is really nothing new, and most people with half a brain realize this when they get into the workforce.
The number one factor in determining success in todays corporate world is people skills. You can literally be the smartest and hardest worker in any given industry, but if you're kinda awkward and not a "cool fun guy" then there's a 99% chance you won't get anywhere.
On the other hand, you can be a complete idiot but still make it very far with good social skills. Most of us have seen it first hand, managers, executives, high-ranking people who are idiots and get some of the most basics things wrong. There's even plenty of CEOs out there who sign on and get paid millions before driving the company into the ground and leaving within a year. So many of them are completely out of touch with their market and are basically going autopilot.
99% of high paying jobs aren't hard at all, anyone who's not a complete retard could do them with a few weeks training, especially true in the business world.
Such is life
>>1254872
I get an offer a week. Usually from meme full stack recruiter bullshit but sometimes there are interesting gigs. I've been doing Java and .Net dev for like five years. It's not about what you do, it's about if you can learn. Languages and frameworks are just tools. It helps to have expert knowledge in them but you can still be well rounded at the same time. It just comes with experience.
>>1255507
i actually have high competence therefore i believe others are capable of doing what is easy for me... thats the other edge of the dunning kruger sword.
most 100 to 200k jobs are doable byy anybody with over 100 iq, yet the 110 to 120 iq people who usually have those jobs act like it is extremely nuanced when its probably simple as fuck for them, and still simple for most ppl
>>1255526
No, any assertion at all that you are competent even if you believe others can be competent is still that "misjudging your own skill as better than it actually is" side of the DKE, son.
If you believed you were incompetent despite obvious proof against it then you'd have a case, but here you're just dickwaving. For some reason. On a mongolian lantern oil staining electronic art gallery, no less.
>>1252302
damn right
finally a word from someone who's actually know shit
why?
>>1254163
>"$100,000 bus driver pay explained"
>One of the reasons many VTA bus drivers make more than $100,000 a year is that transit labor Unions makes it extremely difficult to fill driver positions, VTA General Manager Michael Burns told the Palo Alto post."
I live in the Bay area also and these people basically just extort money from the public and the public can't do anything about it. Same with the BART operators... yes, a BART fucking toll both ticket assistant earns 100k+.
These people will literally picket and shut down public transport routes if they don't get their pension & salary increases.
And they're basically extorting money from the poorest and neediest... mostly immigrants, elderly, and the poor ride buses and public transport.
These immigrants who make Minimum Wage are forced to pay bus drivers $100k salaries because otherwise, the busses stop running and the poor lose their jobs...
Fucking unions leeches are disgusting parasites feeding off of society.
>>1252274
Howd you become a programmer?
>>1255534
The graph is u shaped, inferior boy. True experts have high confidence just like retards likeburself
>>1256240
>
True experts don't hang around here.
And note that I never claimed expertise. ESPECIALLY as a programmer, the only thing you can trust is how little you know. Kill yourself.
>>1256218
Just start working. Implement shit. Read tutorials. Program. It's like any other skill, it takes hard work and practice.
>>1255523
obviously. i do more than learn tho. i invent.
i want to try my hand at designing a business software core and framework. at my current place i'm ni a position to do it but budget doesn't allow for it. we are always chasing deadlines and i'm tired of it.
>>1256249
>Just start working. Implement shit. Read tutorials. Program. It's like any other skill, it takes hard work and practice.
pretty much this, but i guess if you had a true calling you would have started it a long time ago.
start to learn programming in your 20s and maybe one in a thousand will turn out to be a capable programmer.
every decent programmer i know started in his early teens.
>>1256249
Youre the typical inferior with a 120 iq who thinks that because most ppl you run into arent as smart as you that you NEVER run into ppl smarter than you.
It takes a higher iq than urs to understand that
And, your jimmies, check them....
>>1256379
"That" being, the fallacy you live in
