Wendy’s (WEN) said that self-service ordering kiosks will be made available across its 6,000-plus restaurants in the second half of the year as minimum wage hikes and a tight labor market push up wages
http://www.investors.com/politics/policy/wendys-serves-up-kiosks-as-wages-rise-hits-fast-food-group/
Guess what, you "servers/waiters" and "bartenders" are next. Get ready.
>Guess what, you "servers/waiters" and "bartenders" are next.
Not likely, they'll just keep paying them $2.50 and subsidize with tips up to $15 like they do now.
How do people there?
What if I want to pay with cash?
>>1243004
I for one, applaud Wendy's.
Grew up in japan as an army brat... always liked the efficiency of payment machines in restaurants.
Most of the time, you just want to sit down, get your food, eat while you text/surf and leave.
No need to make tedious small talk with an annoying waiter that you have to tip.
>>1243011
Waiters will be replaced next, don't worry
Proving once again the REAL minimum wage is actually $0/hour.
>>1243004
my body is ready
>>1243004
But doing that is capital intense
And restaurant business is notoriously known for the low entry fees. Chains might automate, but small ones?
>>1243013
>Waiters will be replaced next, don't worry
I mean, is that such a bad thing?
We no longer employ manual ditch diggers & street sweepers in america. Life goes on.
revolt
everyone is going to try to steal my neetbux now
REVOLT
>>1243032
>We no longer employ manual ditch diggers & street sweepers in america
But we do.
>>1243029
>Chains might automate, but small ones?
Just how much do you think a payment machine costs?
They're under 10 thousand dollars for standard models w/ touchscreen & voice nowadays. That cost can be recovered by a few months of work from a manual employee.
Just look at japan as an example. Most small restaurants use payment machines... they're not cost prohibitive.
>>1243029
if they'll save $$ ~2x years down the road, then any bank will loan them
>>1243029
> capital intense
I could design a general purpose self service kiosk for less than a hundred bucks. Tech is ridiculously cheap. Sure they can't buy them for every store right away, but it wouldn't be too far fetched to get it done over a year.
The only money pit would be maintenance and possibly security since nigs will certainly have zero qualms about shooting and stealing from a robot. Still this solution would be both cheaper and me efficient than paying retards $15/hr to take an order.
>>1243038
yup... just went on Alibaba and you can snag yourself a good payment machine for as low as $4,000.
All it takes is for the consumers to adjust what they're used to and boom... waiters are irrelevant. All you need are chefs and one or two bus/runner boys.
>>1243006
Cash is already being phased out dude, if you aren't using a card sucks to be you. Although they could just use something like a vending machine and let you slip it in. Or an ATM
>>1243004
God fucking bless the ghost of Dave Thomas!
>>1243046
Gotta love Alibaba and the cheap ass chinks
starting at $1000
That's like a week and a half's work for a snooty ass teenager.
>>1243047
the self check outs at wal mart accept cash.
>>1243046
That's nearly 7% of what it would cost to have a $15/hr moron at the register per year! This is fucking happening.
>>1243032
Most people in the fields will lose their jobs, maybe that doesnt effect you but it effects a lot of americans
>>1243022
Not really the electricity costs a few cents per kilowatt hour. But if you could run these on solar I'd see your point.
Wendys
Waiters
Pick one
>>1243004
>a tight labor market push up wages
literally what
>>1243029
Maybe they were going to do this anyway but where just waiting for something to happen to use as an excuse for firing people and replacing them with robots
Does this mean that they'll bring their prices down? Don't get me wrong, Wendy's is delicious, but it isn't worth Five Guys money for a slightly above average McDonald's.
>>1243480
you are focusing on all the wrong things
>>1243004
Good. Let's eliminate shit jobs like that.
>>1243518
Yeah because that will totally help the economy and the average person. Or someone in college who needs a part time job. Try looking past your fucking nose kike.
>>1243490
>quality
>price
>focusing on the wrong things in the marketplace
Were you born this out of touch or did you take lessons?
>>1243490
Or is he focusing on all the right things? Everything is an alternative to something else; it's completely valid to list the pros right along with the cons.
>>1243554
he probably meant the wrong wrong foods
>>1243554
Also what he said, you fucking kike
>>1243052
>all of a sudden liberal cuck governments make having machines illegal
wouldn't be surprised kek
The niggers at McDonald's are hard to understand anyway. Easier to order with touch screen.
>>1243004
Enjoy having black people destroy them in this winter's riots
What's going to happen to capitalism when the capitalists no longer need to pay workers for their labor? How will the laborers survive?
>>1243518
>330 million people
>141 million Jobs
>Lets remove more jobs
>How does an economy collapse
Please tell me people aren't really this retarded.
>>1243692
>start a war
>jobs for everybody
>>1243692
that's called progress.
>>1243029
If it really becomes a big cost saver, banks will require them to give a business loan
>>1243032
yes, we do. Hows 2050, John?
>>1243747
Waiters will be replaced, same with bartending. Bartending will probably go first desu.
>>1243813
Love how everyone is saying that service jobs are shit and being replaced and how great it is and I'm just sitting here watching Doctors get replaced waiting for economic crash.
This would have happened regardless of minimum wage increases. Or do you expect me to believe that if minimum wage stayed the same companies would have no incentive to invest in replacing human labor even as the technology becomes exponentially cheaper and more efficient?
>>1243032
We have plenty of both.
>>1243975
this
raising the minimum wage will only accelerate the inevitable.
Great. The less work that needs to be done by humans the better.
The only danger is that this increases inequality, which can be counteracted politically.
Automation means there is either less work for people to do, meaning more free time, or that people can work the same hours on something new and we produce more stuff.
>>1243692
>lets be intentionally inefficient to create jobs
Good. Wendy's can never get my order right no matter how simple it is. I don't have that problem at other places but I guess Wendy's has been hiring deaf idiots all along and that's why they have to replace them with machines.
>>1244203
Have fun paying 99% income tax so the government can pay all the people who can't get jobs.
>>1243547
It's fucking 2016. The "average" person doesn't work at fucking Wendy's. Below average people dominate these jobs.
>>1243692
The cotton gin, industrialization, facotry automation, logistics automation.
Millions of basic labor jobs have been eliminated over and over again in American history.
> Every single time, some chicken little runs around screaming about no more jobs in America and the death of the US economy.
Surprise!!! Unemployment is looking pretty god damned good right now.
That pretty much shuts down the "everyone will be unemployed." bullshit
& lol at you low Expectations having mutherfuckers thinking that working at a Fast food restaurant = a career.
Fast food restaurants are for immigrants who don't speak english, retards (literal autistic retards), or people (mostly kids) transitioning into their careers.
You'd have to be some seriously low goals, low expectations loser to plan to work fast food your entire life.
>>1243005
Unless you live in Cali. $20 hour plus stock options here.
Additionally, larger chains have already started. Granted it's limited but you can order appetizers, drinks and pay your bill from a tablet at the table.
>>1243975
It literally says that is the reason in the article.
>>1244550
The best case I ever heard with fast food was an econ professor I had. He said he was a rebellious kid, left home, resorted to fast food for money, found out the basics of the labor market, became a shift and then store manager, and eventually came to manage real estate for Jack in the Box before quitting in 2006, when he sensed the real estate market was thinning. Before he quit, he came to own a dozen stores. Now he teaches econ for $97,000.
will my toxic fast food be assembled by bots too?
>>1244514
>its 2016
fuck off cunt. This hurts the american worker.
>>1244550
You realize being a server or a bartender counts as exactly what you are explaining right? So being a bartender isnt a career? Fucking kek
>>1244636
bartenders have some use... usually they have some big titties and flirt with me while I get drunk.
Bardending is alot more soft skills and socializing than other service jobs...
Of course I'd prefer a live girl to a machine serving drinks.
I could care less if a teen or a machine is taking my money for a fucking drive through sandwich.
>>1244553
I was going to say, I've been in both an applebees and a chilis where they had tablet ordering. Never saw a waiter until someone brought out our food.
>>1244636
Also pretty sure the bartenders I know pull down like 30+ an hour with tips.
They make good money for doing a needful job. Entertain drunk patrons.
I don't need to chat with the waiter or stare at his man boobs while I eat my big mac
>>1244649
I said SERVER or bartender. Like a nigga that brings you food.
>>1243004
>be Chef at Wendys
>lose job to machine
>>1244648
You waited until your entree was ready to get a drink?
>>1243052
>week and a halfs work
Lol no
>>1244648
>i never saw a waiter until they brought our food
Erroneous
>>1244672
No, I ordered my drinks and food and the drinks came then the food. Maybe saying 'food' was a bad way to put it, but 'the shit I ordered'. Does that work?
>>1244295
This. Even if Trump promises to lower taxes, the preexisting spending budget will just be shuffled to give more in welfare to jobless skillless shiftless niggers and human garbage. Why should I work just to have the same income after tax as some unemployed drug-using bum? What are we gonna do with these unemployed chumps is the question. Hopefully they will just fuck back home to mooch off mommy and daddy, but who knows? I want them to have nothing, because that's just as much as they contribute.
>>1244932
Some people literally cant find a job you mong. It is your country, show some respect for the people in it.
Pleaaaase obliterate tipping
>>1244932
>Why should I work just to have the same income after tax as some unemployed drug-using bum?
So don't. You're on 4chan, so you probably qualify for NEETbux anyway.
>>1244946
Nobody hates America more than neoconservative Americans.
Retards itt don't realize that the business is shifting the labor onto the customer.
Fuck this form of automation. I go to service restaurants for service, not to do shit myself. I demand human slaves for my overpriced shitty meat otherwise I can make a vastly superior product at home for cheap.
>>1244295
Am I crazy for wanting this? I'd rather pay higher taxes than deal with more people in the workplace. That being said I have a bias, everyone in my city is a shithead who doesn't care about their job anyway so we may as well replace them with robots so they can sit at home doing nothing and get paid for it instead of sitting at a counter doing nothing getting paid for it while fucking up my order and potentially spitting in it.
>>1245308
How do you even get neetbux?
>>1243004
This makes me laugh so goddamn hard
All those faggots thinking you can "just increase wages"
All those faggots who lobbied and worked for "make it a living wage" for YEARS, and now that they finally got it, they lose their job
Daily reminder that 99% (yes, literally 99%) of jobs people used to have, has already been replaced by technology and we're still doing fine.
This is nothing new. This is nothing dramatic, this has been happening for centuries.
>>1245456
what about a server or a bartender?
>>1245513
what do you mean?
>>1245551
will that be replaced by technology in the next 10 years or so?
>>1245577
They're being replaced now. Same with Lawyers and Doctors and Nurses, and Warehouse Labour, and literally anything else you can think of.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU
>>1244708
$15 x 60 = 900 bucks so he was pretty close
>>1245577
I don't know. I guess some people will want human interaction (and be prepared to pay for it) still though.
I don't see why you're asking about those specifically regarding my post.
>>1243011
Dubs checked.
I feel badly for the workers who will lose their jobs in the hiring environment since the first Great Depression. But I'm looking forward to not fighting language barriers.
>>1244632
Fuck america, and fuck the service industry
I honestly don't even give a fuck about an economy based on that bullshit. If we could get back to our roots, we'd see the value in actual labor rather than this bullshit.
>>1245583
Any actual sources (not just amateur YouTube videos) to suggest doctors, nurses, or lawyers are being replaced? Don't worry, I'll wait.
>>1245620
just using common sense shows that they cant be replaced
Agriculture ---> Manufacturing ---> Service ---> ???????
What is next for America's obscenely poor workers?
>>1243046
>buying Chinese payment kiosk
>expecting your client's credit card to not get stolen
Pick one man. Go ahead and buy chink shoes or shirts I'd you want, but don't even think about having them build you a networked device unless you want your shit stolen. Even if it doesn't come pre-hacked, it'll be riddled with vulnerabilities.
>>1243045
It's already in a number of non-chain lunch shops I go to near my office downtown. It's easier to "train" and set up, and takes up less space behind the counter than a person in an area where floor space is at a premium. I can only imagine that trend increasing if wages go up.
>>1243692
>implying all 330 million are employable and/or of a working age
Hoo boy that straw man looks pretty strong billy! You sure you can knock him down?
>>1245703
Thats the whole point of the new chips - it sends a code when used thats only good once
>>1245716
Yeah, that shit was supposed to be implemented in 2014 though, and yet here we are, with the majority of the market still not using chip and pin, and a number of point of sale terminals not even offering it.
>>1245696
they will have to learn, meaning go to college incur debt and be slaves forever, unless they serve the people that did do that by being tradesmen. heh. or they can read books themselves and learn the one thing every one will want to learn, automation. such is the future.
>>1243004
Who makes these kiosks? Now would be a good time to invest in that company.
Only a matter of time before a machine at a bar will serve u the drink youd like:) bartenders and servers btfo next.
>>1245361
I'll gladly put in the effort to push buttons on a touchscreen if it means I get the correct order. That job was never worth minimum wage even if done correctly (which it never is).
Fuck waiters too, I don't need someone to walk it to me, I'm not that lazy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3QfHgtQ7q4
If I'm going to any restaurant it's because I don't feel like or don't have the time to cook, I have the time to touch buttons and walk to the counter when my buzzer buzzes.
As for human interaction if I want it I'll bring a friend to dinner, I care much more about them than the waiter and I'm sure the waiter feels the same way, they only care until the tip is on the table.
>>1245620
replaced by increased productivity, yes.
alot of traditional lawyer work for example involved pouring over thousands of documents which can now thanks to advances in reading AI and general AI be made into programs that take far less time and less humans to do the same work.
>>1243004
That's pretty cool, I wonder if the government will retaliate in some way to prevent robots from taking over fast food.
If everything gets automated the value of the products and services decreases until we approach post scarcity.
The loss of jobs will lead to revolt.
We are witnessing the last hours of capitalism as it starts eating away at its foundations.
In fifty years we will have reached an impasse and the industrial era will be a closed chapter.
>>1245680
Productivity can be increased resulting in less nurses needing to be employed.
Once you had to have your blood pressure taken manually and it had to be done repeatedly while under critical care. Now it's done automatically every 10 mins by a machine.
This means more people can be cared for per nurse as they require less direct attention. Just chuck them in a bed, hook them up to everything and walk away. Don't even need to return to record tests, it's all stored for you.
>>1243052
More like a month's work, but point taken.
>>1243692
Learn a new trade faggot. It is not my fault that you are useless waste of space with no skills.
>>1243692
>An economy thrives when flooded with unskilled menial labor service jobs.
Anon please
Britfag here
>tipping
We gotta send the robots BACK TO MEXICO
Wouldn't people put hoodies on and destroy the machines for shits and giggles (and also to piss off the business elite)?
>>1243026
more like idocracy
>>1243032
>We no longer employ manual ditch diggers & street sweepers in america. Life goes on.
I dug ditches in the summer when I went to college. I made well over $20/hr. My girlfriend's dad was a street sweeper and snow plow driver until he retired. He made ~80k/yr and didn't have a a fucking high school education.
I think what you meant to say was that we employ fewer now due to advances in machinery. The jobs are not done by robots.
Also automated cashiers was an inevitability. The wage increase didn't cause this to happen, it just made it more beneficial to do it sooner. Look at all the places you can just order your food online now and pick it up.
>>1243004
I live in a city that already has these. The only time they get used is when there's a long line. I try to use them when i go with friends jsut for the novelty, and they all get their orders in before I do. It's still easier to just tell the person at the cash register what you want.
>>1247181
Reminds me of using the self checkout at the grocery store and getting stuck behind an old person.
It takes them 5 minutes to ring up their 9 items and god forbid if they have produce that needs to be looked up. Most of the time the attendant just does it for them.
>>1245929
Yeah, our gratuity is optional and not generally worked into the pricing like it is in Europe.
>>1247186
Tips are fucking stupid. I cant wait till all servers and bartenders lose their jobs like the cucks they are.
>>1243004
having machines replacing shitty slave jobs is far better than than keeping minimum wage low. they will eventually have to increase welfare payments as automatization takes over everything. see, gdp still will be the same and increase despite people having no jobs
>>1248003
>How is it a good idea for the bulk of jobs to be eliminated over the coming decades by automation?
that will increase well being and quality of life of population more than anything. as it has done past 60 years.
Gotta say this is a good idea. I worked at a Wendy's in high school for a few months and the front register is utterly pointless. First off, there are two stations, but managers would refuse to open the second one so lines were crazy and one person would work the pointless task of "fries". Aka fill a basket with fries, put on a timer and do it in time. If you want more than minimum wage for that, you have legitimate issues. About the front register, it is extremely easily set up that anyone can use it, only thing is almost everything had to be approved by a manager. Any order over $50, any time trying to remove something from an order after 30 seconds, gift cards. By having a computer automate this with a cash option(like a vending machine) so many headaches and time would be saved by the managers
Two things could happen
1) Government handouts increase to people displaced by the robots, all is well and good although some whine about their robot businesses being taxed
2) We cyberpunk now. Permanent underclass of people unemployed and poor to the point of starvation living off meager government benefits until the end of time. The rest of us continue repeating myths about how government handouts now pay more than jobs used to anyway
>>1245620
http://fortune.com/2016/05/12/robot-lawyer/
believe it
>>1248009
Overpaid talkers already shriek that they have to pay for labor. You think they're not going to scream even louder paying for no labor? I expect them to cry to government to tax the the poor to pay for the robots. Because abloobloobloo rich are victims...
Thank god.
I hate dealing with alll the chuckle fucks who work the tills
