>search for finance, banking and consulting alumni from my college on linkedin
>tfw literally every single one of them is a chad or stacy with 500+ connections
What can a khv beta fag like me do to increase my chances of getting a job /biz/? Or should I just kill myself?
...and this is why I chose to go into medicine. None of that networking bullcrap. Even a total sperglord can earn a $300,000 salary in medicine if they study hard enough. It's the only career that pipelines you to that sort of paycheck based on pure merit. For fuck's sake, they even FIND A JOB FOR YOU before you graduate medical school.
for those types of jobs it's easier to get in whIle in undergraduate / graduate because networking
>>1226390
>...and this is why I chose to go into medicine. None of that networking bullcrap. Even a total sperglord can earn a $300,000 salary in medicine if they study hard enough. It's the only career that pipelines you to that sort of paycheck based on pure merit.
>he actually believes this
lmao how's freshman year treating you buddy?
>>1226387
I am a CPA who interviews kids on campus and goes to the "meet the firms night" on campus.
I see a lot of kids come up to me during these events.
Spergelords resumes get left at the event in the trash can
I bring back a handful of resumes of go-getters
always chads or staceys as you call them
everyone competes for the top 15% of these kids.
the rest go elsewhere, I really don't know where, probably their mom's basement
>>1226426
He's right though.
>>1226497
Sperglord waiting on cpa first 2 test results. Sitting in /comfy/ 45k job until that shit goes through. Why do employers automatically deny my resume in Accounting/finance? Tech hired me fine.
>>1226387
Same boat, OP. I am contemplating suicide, too. What's worse is that I'm at a regular-tier college/university, AND I'm a year and a half older than my peers.
>>1226387
https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucy-xie-40209a32
>/biz can't even compete
>>1226551
tech's not afraid of spergs; old-school finance is, just like they're afraid of crypto. It's just part of the culture here.
Source: am chad who got a job in technology, hated dealing with the spergs so I transitioned to technology work for finance industry. Now, I don't deal with nearly as many spergs, and I get paid more to boot.
The one thing I will say about the finance industry; nobody quibbles over "how much you're worth" or bullshit like that. They pay market rates or a little more, I've gotten healthy raises and bonuses every year since I started in 2012, and the work-life balance outside of IB and M&A is actually great.
>>1226551
because accounting/finance is all about interpersonal relations
if you are super awkward, it wont work out
and if you didn't go straight to accounting after school, you probably never will
I wouldn't hire someone who went off to tech for a year or two after school and now wants to try out accounting
sorry man, its just the way of things
>>1226387
This is why I didn't go to business school.
>>1226573
>yfw all the 'people also viewed' sidebar is full of investment banking analyst Asians who all studied Economics at Dartmouth from 2010-2014.
Regular mortals really do stand no chance.
>>1226614
sexy young ladies from good schools basically. I bet their careers accelerate faster than Soyuz rockets achieving escape velocity. And yeah you're right - regular chumps are f***ed
>>1226614
Of course she only knows other IB asians; all the big banks and shit have their heritage groups for asians, blacks, etc. Are you really surprised that they band together in an environment that's 70% white male?
Guarantee you her boss is a white dude, and there's only like one director-level who is either non-white or non-male.
That doesn't matter for you, though, because you just tipped your hand as a sperglord; the only thing finance hates more than having to appear diverse is having to deal with stupid cucks who have no interpersonal skills.
>>1226617
Nope. Finance is driven by metrics. If she were in consulting, she'd hit a glass ceiling at the senior manager level (unless she has some stupendous networking skills and manages to get outside her all-asian pity party diversity group); in IB/finance, she'll have to get on her knees to get above senior associate or low-level manager.
All these diversity hires stick together, and none of them branch out or work to impress their white male executive management, and as a result, they all hit a glass ceiling. Bottom line, to get ahead in this shit you really need to be relatable to more than just people from your race/ethnicity/background.
Yeah, they're gonna earn a fair amount of money doing their IB thing for a big firm. No, they're not gonna reach the upper echelons of the organization because 1) there's only so many positions to begin with, and 2) they put themselves at a disadvantage by only networking with people of the same race.
>>1226390
you really believe that?
OH BOY
>>1226636
What the key traits you need to succeed? Being hyper social? Hyper intelligent? Ability to work 100h work weeks?
>>1226595
Even after CPA tests are passed? Hmm that sucks. I have a finance degree and probably passed my first 2 tests.
>>1226650
Be reasonably intelligent, commit your life to your job, and have the right network or pedigree.
You can get away with a slight weakness in one of those three areas, but some intangible benefit would have to make up for it somehow.
>>1226387
>chad or stacy with 500+ connections
Isn't meritocracy great? ;)
>>1226702
meritocracy is socialism for chads and stacies ;=)
>>1226426
what do you mean? They pipeline doctors into hospitals.
>>1226387
Is she a stacy? She looks like an average asian to me. Are all female asians stacy?
>>1226526
>>1226882
Lol. Pre-med is a super cutthroat track, and only 20% because of the difficulty of the material (which honestly isn't that high). It's cutthroat because everything is graded on a curve, and there is a huge incentive, and culture, of sabotage. Peopel group together to form cliques to help each other/screw over other groups. Kissing ass to professors (or more commonly, TAs since the classes are taught/graded by them) and offering favors (of all kinds) for borderline stuff.
And then when you get to med school interviewing is a HUGE component of admissions, beyond grades and test scores (trust me, there's no shortage of 3.9+ GPAs and 95th percentile MCATs for any program you actually want to get into). And then it's all about social skills to not have to bust your ass and kill yourself in med school - get slightly easier rotations, less shitty assignments, etc.
And then when you get pipelined to hospitals you better hope you remembered to butter up your dean/supervising prof/whoever is writing the rec letters and determining placements.
And then once you're doing residency it's like 40 - 60% official politics depending on where you are. Basically pre-med 2.0.
If you think medicine is a no social skills needed field you're gonna be in for a rude awakening.
>>1226636
Consultant, can actually vouch for this. Met maybe two or three above that level.
>>1226906
I can name ten cities right now, in the middle of nowhere, that have been looking for doctors for over a year and found none.
Tell me they wouldn't hire a sperg willing to move there, and pay him the going rate. Regardless of his ass-kissing skills.
Being the only doc in the countryside isn't even that bad, lots of chill hours.
>>1226647
You're responding to me. I have a different ID because I'm on my work VPN and IPs change every ~20 mins.
I'm white, male, 28, and earning good money. I'm not jealous of anyone or anything; just annoyed at all the misinformation here because it's all FUD spewed by a bunch of basement dwellers assuming that minorities actually have it better than white dudes.
Sure, they can get their foot in the door. But they're not going to move up the company, either because they don't bother to network like they should, or they simply don't have the ability to connect with people from white culture. There's a disconnect there for some reason; I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that both blacks and asians tend to be very closed-off culturally from whites during their upbringing.
On the one hand, yeah, if you're an average white boy, you're gonna have a hard time getting in the door because of diversity hires and bullshit. But once you're in, you're much more likely to be on the fast track if you're not a fucking loser/weirdo. Management likes to work with people they relate to, so if you've got some interesting skills and interesting stories to tell, you'll be in much better shape than the immigrant in the next cube over, or the 20-something woman who's talking about wanting to be a mom, or the black dude who's throwing away his $50k salary on shoes or other consumerist bullshit every month.
Seriously, it's more of an equal playing field than ever before, but if you're a white person with white-collar parents, you've still got the advantage because you understand office politics better than any of the nignogs and slanteyes, and most of your bosses are still going to be white dudes so you've got an advantage there. If your work product is equal, but you're the more relatable employee, that's your leg up.
>>1226497
When you say spergs, do you mean the super social anxiety retards that are not able to old conversations? I am introvert, but I am able to create relationships and have conversations, and possibly fake it, but once you get to know me, you probably understand that I am introvert.
I am also trying to get into finance.
>>1226953
>Sure, they can get their foot in the door. But they're not going to move up the company, either because they don't bother to network like they should, or they simply don't have the ability to connect with people from white culture.
Well... This is a lie. I am Asian. I have four cousins, all who worked from the bottom and now, which three are managers or senior associates in finance/oil. All making +$100k a year. Why do you assume minorities are absolutely social retards and not able to network?
Seems like someone is a bit jelly, because they had to work their ass off to get a foot in the industry, because companies had 'diversity quotas'.
>>1226952
>pay him the going rate
nope
>>1226906
>mfw people actually believe this shit
No one actively works to fuck over other people. It isn't even possible unless the grader is literally marking correct answers wrong which can then be brought up to the professor or Dean and fixed.
What a crock of bullshit.
That said you can't be an autistic socially inept sperg and get into med school. You won't pass the interviews.
>>1227044
>No one actively works to fuck over other people. It isn't even possible unless the grader is literally marking correct answers wrong which can then be brought up to the professor or Dean and fixed.
people will delete your shit if you leave your computer unattended, or trash your papers (think notes, lab reports, etc.)
people will give you wrong/misleading info
etc. etc.
have you been to pre-med at a top ~25 - 50 school? it's like that everywhere.
>>1227011
It's just been my experience working in finance.
Other industries might be different, I don't know; but beyond that, 1) $100k is low-level management at most large financial or consulting firms, aka not a big deal. I'm making $100k, and I'm not even a manager. 2) you're actually proving my point, none of your family are executive managers or managing directors; they're all mid-level managers (at best).
I'm also not saying they're social retards; I'm saying their upbringing is different enough from their white counterparts that it often can be hard to bridge that gap to become upper-level management.
Again, this is just my experience; there aren't any hard numbers on this (that I'm aware of), but finance is still very much an old boy's club, much more so than many industries.
>>1227066
as an asian in finance, you're right
there are always exceptions but finance is heavily relationship based and is more racist than a lot of other industries. the asians flood the low and mid ranks, but executive ranks is largely old white men.
>>1226595
Are you serious about this? Just because someone took a year or two off they can never become an accountant because they actually needed to pay their own way through college? That's bullshit
>>1227089
Accountants are fucking weird, man.
That being said, there's a lot you can do with an accounting degree that isn't accounting, strictly speaking; however, for my money, you're better off with a finance degree from a top-10 institution.
>>1227047
>leaving your shit unattended
>going to libraries
>being around other people when you don't have to
You have only yourself to blame then.
The top 25-50 shit is irrelevant because no one needs to go to one of those for medschool.
I am a latino on a big 4 .
How fucked am I with all these "racism"
>>1227089
its not that they can never become an accountant, I just wouldn't hire them.
I am not alone, its why there are so many millenials who cant find work in their field of study.
If they didn't get hired by a firm out of school, there must be something wrong with them, (is the common train of thought).
So we focus on the new crop of graduates.
the ones who got left behind will stay left behind. Maybe a small firm will pick them up, but probably not. They are most likely lost.
>>1227102
i said top 25 - 50 meaning 1 - 25 or 1- 50.
it happens at harvard yale princeton stanford you idiot
>>1227113
No one on 4chan goes to those universities and honestly who gives a fuck about them anyway? The original faggot was talking about people join groups to ruin other people which is literally impossible if you're not a fucking idiot.
>>1227112
>So we focus on the new crop
Literally Japan and Korea tier and why so many people are miserable and working in mini markets and shit.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simultaneous_recruiting_of_new_graduates
If you do this, kill yourself immediately or move to nipland.
>>1227110
You'll make good money, even if you don't make it too far.
It'll be hard to get to MD, probably a bit harder for you than if you'd been born white.
In finance, I know you'd have to put up with microtransgressions and shit, if you have a thick skin and don't hold it against old people for being ignorant you'll be fine.
Your biggest enemy is going to be the other non-asian minorities seeking solidarity with you & dragging you down with their drama & bullshit wankery about muh racism.
Do your job well, stick up for yourself, speak English without a hispanic accent, and work hard to relate with the management staff, and you'll be in better shape than most.
Also, don't fall into the trap thought process that working harder than everyone else will get you farther; do what you need to to meet deadlines, but don't be "that guy who works late every night"; nobody likes the guy who has no life outside the office.
>>1227119
>No one on 4chan goes to those universities
patently false
>The original faggot was talking about people join groups to ruin other people which is literally impossible if you're not a fucking idiot.
no it legit happens. it's not every day but it happens.
more prevalent is about people with connections (usually through frats or other social groups) getting copies of exams in advance, or past exams. they jealously guard them among people they know/are friends with and use that to get a huge advantage on the test.
sure you can overcome it if you're actually super smart but it's just another barrier for you to overcome.
the point i'm trying to make is pre-med is just as reliant on social skills. if you want to be a loner sperg engineering is probably better than pre-med.
>>1227126
That's pretty much how recruiting for accounting graduates works.
we interview and make offers in the fall to graduate school attendees who are graduating with their masters in the spring.
Their employment starts in the fall.
We literally interview and hire a year out.
if a person graduates without an offer, they literally will not get a job with a National or Regional firm. Period.
They might as well go to law school. Because they wont be an accountant.
>>1227134
>frats getting copies of exams early
I don't know what shit tier university you're talking about but this just doesn't happen.
Pre-med requires zero social skills. If you fail pre-med it is because you weren't smart enough. It has nothing to do with how good you are at maging gonnrgshons :+-DDDd
Maybe study groups would make it easier for you but you don't even need to be super smart to get through it.
What does require social skills are all the ECs you're going to have to do that require interviews and interaction with people.
>>1227137
You are as cancerous as the chinks then and I hope you die early and painfully.
>>1227110
You aren't. Not at all. Every big 4 has diversity programs.
Plus, if you speak Spanish fluently, Every big 4 does work in Puerto Rico, Mexico City, and throughout south America.
You are actually at an advantage. Good for you.
>>1227126
This is literally so fucked up, you're never taught how cut throat the world is growing up.
>>1227140
This. My experience with friends who applied to med schools after undergrad is that 1) pre-med isn't special; you're just as well off getting another STEM degree with a biology background or focus (chemistry, biology, neurology, engineering, etc.). The pre-med degree is largely a wankfest, and med schools don't care about the degree track, they care about the core curriculum and your grades in chem/biology/math, etc.
2) Admissions for med schools put a lot of weight on the pedigree of your degree, and your interview. Most med schools will arrange an interview for you to see if they want you at their school. Grades and GMATs can sometimes make up for bad interviews, but more often good interviews can make up for bad grades or bad GMATs (NOT both).
What I gleaned from my friends who went to med school is that pre-med is a waste of a degree program (because it offers relatively limited options post-graduation, unless you want a grad degree), and your interview with the med schools is probably just as important as your GMATs.
>>1226526
No, he's not. Unemployed doctors exist, and it's not because they're foreign/have terrible beside manner/have too many malpractice claims/etc.
>>1227156
pre med isnt a degree it's jus ta set of courses that consitutes basic med school requirements. most pre meds have a chem or bio or something like that degree.
med school takes MCAT not GMAt
can you not talk about stuff you obviously don't have experience with?
>>1227142
the process is what it is
don't be bitter you didn't get in.
think of it as an opportunity for individual growth. You can expand your entrepreneurial skills now.
>>1227171
I'm not even in finance and I would never want to be. Just hope you rats realize how terrible you are. You are literally the reason why people hate capitalism.
>>1227175
Capitalism is awesome. Everything good we have in this great country of ours is because of capitalism. Let the freedom of the free market ring baby.
>>1227047
>have you been to pre-med at a top ~25 - 50 school
talk to me again about how top schools are really good and you should go there for the top tier education in how shit the people who go there are
all you had to do was go to a normal place cj
>>1227192
is going to a top school a meme?
>>1227200
For medicine? Absolutely.
>>1227175
Are you talking about the recruiting stuff? Because that doesn't happen everywhere, just for the firms that want to hire ivy leaguers.
>>1227206
I really hope so, because if this is common practise that's extremely discouraging and unfair. As if dealing with nepotism wasn't enough.
>>1227204
I know people that go to the caribbean for their MD with 70% average. Move to america and rack in 300k+
>>1227214
The free market unchecked capitalism drones will just tell you to eat shit and deal with it if it's true everywhere. That's what they do in Japan because the gubmint just doesn't care.
This shit borders on human rights abuse.
>>1227126
This happens everywhere, not just Japan. Fact is there are simply too many people applying for jobs. An average of 100 candidates apply for 1 job opening even if its a shitty minimum wage file clerk job at a no name firm. For jobs that pay atleast above min wage you'll easily get 1000 applicants per job.
This is why euthanasia should be legal. Atleast the excess graduates who'll never amount to anything in life anyway can kill themselves off with dignity and without judgement.
>>1227247
Or get autismbux.
>>1227247
So what the fuck are people supposed to do? There's millions of hopeless assholes getting degrees every single year because you're totally fucked without one. Not everyone can stand out from the crowd, seriously what's the plan here when STEM degrees can't even find jobs?
>>1226387
LinkedIn is a fucking joke.
I run a business and I don't even have one.
Expect LinkedIn to fully collapse within 3 years.
>>1227270
Women and illegals off the work force.
There. Problem solved.
>>1227274
Why would you need one of you own a business? It's for people with hopeless job prospects.
>>1226387
500+ connections is not that hard, even my dad has them, I expect to have at least 300 before graduating
>>1226387
Just don't shoot for the stars. I applied at places like PIMCO and other mega-funds and they had more than 1000 applicants for every open position. After that I didn't bother with these places anymore and networked with smaller shops which dramatically reduced competition and got me a job in no time.
Same is true for IB. Dont apply for GS, JPM or elite boutique roles unless you are from a top 5 program, with excellent grades. Being a woman also helps a lot.
>>1227274
LinkedIn really is a joke.
They tried to make it the facebook of the professional world, but it just morphed into a recruiting site.
>>1226390
Nah man. Guaranteed job with minimum effort while getting bitches Amd living a great life has always been
Nursing, Pharmacy, and Accounting.
Pick one and you're set for life
>>1227502
>accounting
>great life
pick one
>>1227599
>pharmacy
>minimal effort
>enjoyable life
Enjoy those 1000hrs at CVS and another 1000 doing whatever else
>>1226387
This is literally the reason why I'm on STEM
>>1227188
>Capitalism is awesome.
Being discriminated is not awesome
>Everything good we have in this great country of ours is because of capitalism
That is not true and you know it.
>>1227703
you sarcastic or being genuine?
I'm a pharmacy student contemplating suicide.
>>1227502
>pharmacy
>getting bitches
You mean you GET to BE a bitch
>>1227919
Genuine. Every pharm student I know literally has no life. Even the pre-med people have more free time than them.
It's easy sailing once you get into pharm school though.
>>1228103
lol i was asking because I'm in the school already.
can't even get out of bed most days.
regret every decision I've made.
>>1227599
At least you have a job unlike CS majors
>googled "Investment Banking Analyst Goldman Sachs Linkedin" myself
>scrolling through the top 25 profiles
>NONE of them have an ivy league education
Why does /biz/ keep memeing the Ivy League to death then?
>>1227300
>Dont apply for GS, JPM or elite boutique roles unless you are from a top 5 program
W-What if you are from a top 5 program but are a sperglord?
>>1226497
"Do we take the acne faced, long haired, obese guy who can barely forms sentence with out taking a deep breath... Or do we take the decent looking people who are fit, clean, and show they care about their health?"
>>1228192
because biz is full of fucking wannabes
>>1228303
exactly
>>1229069
It has everything to do with what you look like, particularly if you are a woman:
http://www.businessinsider.com/beautiful-people-get-more-job-interviews-2013-9
>>1227188
lmfao you gotta be kidding me
>>1228303
I work in Canary Wharf, London. 99% of people are clean, well groomed, and we'll dressed. Even the cafe staff.
Obese, ugly people have no chance here. I noticed a fat Chinese girl when I started here a year ago. Saw her again recently and she had lost all that excess weight. The power of peer pressure.
>>1229166
Which bank senpai? I'm at CS
>>1227131
>microtransgressions
Jesus christ, go back to tumblr you little girl.
>>1227140
>I don't know what shit tier university you're talking about but this just doesn't happen.
Literally happens at UT, Baylor and SMU. Went one and have high school friends that went to the others. It happens everywhere.
>>1227011
Fuck off this is a white board
>>1228221
Well I'm a sperglord with an accounting degree who went to a mediocre public college and ended up in investing banking at JPM
>>1226952
They wouldn't, because the majority of American med schools like to make sure most (if not all) of their class gets matched to a residency program.
The number of residency positions have not changed much over the years. The number of retiring doctors has increased significantly, however. The number of med school applicants has also increased, especially post-recession. So, not enough junior docs are replacing the older ones. Hence, the shortage, and the cutthroat nature of admissions.
>>1231282
Who the fuck calls it "investing banking?"
>>1228192
Most are Duke/Cornell/Brown followed by Michigan State
>>1226647
Looks like Lucy Xie is a little mad that hanging out with the Dartmouth Asian Americans society for the rest of her career isn't going to land her that exec position that her tiger parents want her to get. Eat a dick noodle lover
>>1226390
You aren't going to make $300K unless you're a surgeon or radiologist. If you think studying hard is enough to become one of those, then you should kill yourself.
>>1226497
>tfw at big4
>surrounded by chads and stacys
>everyone is stupid as fuck, but because they're sociable and confident, everyone thinks they are smart
>it's like the only people who know what they're doing are senior managers and partners
>the chads are literally getting promoted above me
>i'm booked all summer, but getting paid less than the chad's and stacy's who are unassigned and taking vacations
>>1234095
DESIGNATED KEK
>>1234095
You should read Venkatesh Rao's 'The Gervais Principle'. It'll explain why you're not getting promoted.
But in case you don't want to better your position; good workers don't get promoted quickly because they're good workers.
>>1234147
Yea m8, the good salesman never gets promoted to a management position cus they need him selling
>>1234095
The secret of the big4 they don't tell anyone during recruiting:
we hire 10 kids straight from school and only 1 will make it past year 3.
we will work them until they break and quit or we will let them go for not working hard enough
we know that most of the kids we bring in a Chads and Staceys who aren't as effective as more nerdish people, but we have an image to protect, and Poindexter with his pocket protector isn't it
We want to project Wall Street and Beauty, and hire accordingly
>>1232728
Who cares how much money you make?
The point is to be a slave for 3-5 years, slap IB on your resume, and move on to a cushy 9-5 job that pays a decent salary
Yeah IB pays more than whatever 9-5 job you can get, but that's not what life is about, fuck the money and enjoy yourself
>all of these insane, warped views on compensation in America from people who never made over minimum wage
its /business/ as usual folks
>>1234172
>big4
>work them until they break
Try working an actual finance job you utter mong. Big4 for is cushy as fuck
>>1235074
>cushy as fuck
>never worked in Deloitte S&O or PwC strategy&
>mfw I have no face
Granted, big4 strat arms don't work IB hours except perhaps their FS verticals, and their audit/advisory practices are pretty fucking cushy as you say.
>>1227075
Yep that's the bamboo ceiling for you. If you really want to move up with your career and make more money then move to Asia, there are more opportunities and doors open to you then there EVER will be in the West.
>>1235349
S&O hours have nothing to do with big4 trying to exploit you. Do you think your life would be better at McKinsey or Bain? Hours sucks everywhere in that industry
>>1228303
>acne faced, long haired, obese guy who can barely forms sentence with out taking a deep breath
That's me except I'm skinnyfat, guess I'm stuck working in tech.
>>1236004
That's a lie. In Asia you will be talked about as a Gaijin. Unless you actually live the ways of your country you will never be accepted anywhere.
Just wait a long time. Finance (like other business) appreciates people who wait around.
>>1236759
Its true though. You weren't even talking about S&O earlier. Most big4 jobs are cushy af. And the ones that aren't are not harder than they would be at other firms in that industry. McKinsey and BCG will only be harder than big4 S&O.
IB and even a lot of research is way worse than even the most demanding big4 jobs so don't give me this shit about working til they break.
Well shit, looks like this picture was correct.
>>1231282
How did you pull that off? I'm assuming Big 4 audit --> Big 4 TAS --> Suck a LOT of dick / network well --> JPM investment banking?
>>1236787
>ctrl+f ID: 1LZ2bqGr
>mfw you didn't
>mfw I have no face
Yeah, I was talking about medical school admissions earlier. But does it matter what I was talking about earlier? I'm just being factual- both with regards to the current reality of med school, and hours worked in big4 strat arms.
I also pointed out that most big4 (namely audit/advisory) are pretty fucking cushy if you bothered to read my posts. Only exceptions being their strat arms and maybe some super niche practices that I'm not aware of.
IB is not "way worse" than the most demanding big4 jobs. It's only "worse." It's just fucking face time half the time. Unless you're GS M&A in their NYC office, then, fine, it is way worse.
Also
>don't give me this shit about working til they break
>mfw I didn't say that
>you're a fucking idiot regardless
>>1238076
You are fucking retarded, m8. Thinking that GS M&A Analysts work the longest hours gives away that you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.
>some anon makes a statement about big4 jobs in general
>you jump in to say that big4 work you death
>get called out on it
>hurr durr I was just talking about S&O
You must be one hell of a recruiter.
Also why the fuck should I care if you are the same guy or not? Every post should be seen in the context of what it is a reply to.
>>1238481
I guess its not you who said that they are being worked ultra hard. Not that it matters in any way.
>>1238481
Well I was only talking about S&O/strategy&/etc. I never said it applied to big4 as a whole. And if you want to use the contextual argument then we're really arguing for the same shit anyway if you bothered to pan out a bit.
GS FO analysts in general work the longest of the BBs. If you're truly suicidal and want to work longer than that, there's always Lazard/Rothschild/other boutiques known for extinguishing your life. But I never said GS M&A worked the longest, just that their hours were likely to actually be way worse than a strat consultant slave.
Again, just being factual.
>>1238687
I interned at an IB and at a Big 4.
And what I can tell you is:
>IBs hours are worse to Big 4, but still you do a lot of hours at Big 4.
>saying that GS M&A has the worst hours is stupid has fuck because your hours depend on
>1. Each bank is different.
>2. Each office at each bank is different. For instance MS in NYC can be worse than GS in some regional office in Mainland Europe or wherever. For example I did my internship in London but I heard from some german colleagues that at the regional office in Frankfurt (Germany) they work generally more hours than London.
>3. Even inside the same Bank and Office, each Industry Group is different. M&A hours are not the same as ECM or DCM hours. Generally it's M&A>>>>ECM=LevFin>DCM
>4. And even inside the same Bank, Offie and Industry (let's assume M&A), each Product Groups. GS M&A TMT is not the same as GS M&A FIG or GS M&A Healthcare.
This is basically beause in the end your hours depend on how well your VP/ED/MD does organize themselves and how well he dsitributes the work. Got a couple friends who have some really competent managers who distribute work very well and they don't stay often till midnight. While I have other friends who have horrible bosses who give them constantly last minute tasks to be done ASAP, so that they barely can not organize they day and they have to stay past midnight very often.
>>1226387
Get off /r9k/ and actually work on yourself?
Notice successful people do the same right?
Pick one weakness and slowly handle it. Start by not playing video games and instead go jogging.
Then maybe work on your looks and then social skills.
You will feel better and look better.
Of course only you can help yourself though.
What a terrible industry
> which one
Every one mentioned in this thread. I work hard, I make shite compared to any of you but I am miles happier id think.
>>1227502
As someone working in a big 4 firm, you're dreaming if you think networking isn't important in accountancy, if you actually want to make money.
>>1226387
I have a friend whose fat and face ruined by achne. Super fucking sperg who only got laid because he paid for sex.
Well this dude played the industry. He got his accounting degree with 1 year and some more experience under his belt. He ended up at one of the top 10 firms in our state, 24 years old and already making 90K per month, note that this school he went to was not prestigious at all!! Matter of fact it was a Cal State.
So how do you make it?
Imo the key is making sure you've interned during your time at school. At least one year's worth of internships 2bh
>>1239433
OH and I forgot to mention he also got his tax credentials during college (if that's a big deal, prob not) but right now he's only been working for a year and he's already 75% done with his CPA.
>>1239433
you dumbass. accountants don't make 1.08 million a year.
I am a CPA, its possible that he makes 90K a year, but not a month
>>1239436
SHIT I meant to say per year.
>>1239437
depending on the area of California though, 90k may not even be all that great. If someone moved to the San Francisco area, they couldn't live on 90k. they would have a 2 hour commute every day each way.
>>1239439
Well he's a massive sperg like I said, so he's living at home for free. It's just him and his mom and uncle under one roof. But it's a nice big home. & since he can't get a gf he probably won't be moving out any time soon. His biggest expenses at the moment are spending $300 every two weeks getting fucked by strippers. & he'll toss me a couple bucks to buy lap dances.
Then again that's why he's finishing his CPA and starting his own firm. He thinks $90k isn't enough.
>>1239441
its hard to start your own firm.
there's a lot to know.
my opinion, and its only an opinion, is that someone with less than 10 years experience has no business opening their own firm.
I have 13 years of experience, been a licensed CPA for 12 years, and I don't know all there is to know.
>>1239447
Interesting, so I guess when he says he wants to open his own firm he means further down the line... So do most accountants tend to get their CPAs? Or is that essentially the equivalent of people going from their bachelors to masters? I assume there's also a pay increase once you've obtained it.
>>1239449
oh he can open his own firm, but the problem with opening your own firm instead of being part of a firm is there isn't anyone to ask when you don't know how to deal with a client problem. The tax code is intentionally complex, and clients come to CPAs with legit complex problems. You build a book of business by being able to take care of your clients and they in turn refer their friends and business associates.
your friend can get his CPA, but it doesn't mean he is able to hang his own shingle.
>>1239441
You realize that company be works for is just buying a massive life insurance policy for him and is going to cash out when he has a heart attack at 30 right?
>pay hambeast 90k/yr
>plant hot feeder wife
>fatty dies, money recouped
This is standard practice at any large firm
>>1226953
this guy gets it - I learned office politics in the Air Force as an officer, and when I left for tech, HOLY SHIT the fucking aspie's in EN did NOT know how to talk, maneuver conversation, or speak with a purpose. -_-*
>>1226387
Yo, i just did some entry level digging on this Sabrina Chan bitch.
She's a stereotypical dragon lady.
Aside from all those prestigeous internships/ current career she's basically a socialite of her native Hong Kong.
She currently dates/dated the son of a billionaire (Stanley Ho of Macau, owns all the casinos there).
Meritocracy is dead af. It's all about the connections.
>>1240334
>Meritocracy is dead af. It's all about the connections.
thanks captain obvious??
>>1226571
Lol at 26 I'm about to go to college finally and not give a fuck what the kids think. Feels good having a fully developed brain.
>having anxiety towards people younger than you is soupercuck.
Unless it's a child. Haha XD
this thread is one hell of a redpill
>>1239037
You interned at an IB and missed the part where I said GS M&A isn't the worst case. Didn't they teach you how to read carefully at a bare fucking minimum?
But yes, you are otherwise correct.
On an unrelated note, refreshing to see another City employee on here. I only got 3 hours of sleep, the Northern line was fucking horrible as usual, and the weather went from amazing to shite as of yesterday, so excuse the bitchiness on my part. I'm sure you can relate.
But still, fuck you for not reading carefully.
>>1226497
Can confirm
>be sperglord
>graduate with MAcc cum laude
>720 on GMAT
>interview with every big 4 firm
>0 offers
>chads and stacys who copied my work and got gpas under 3.5 all got offers
I honestly believed my teachers when they said good grades will lead to success...never got under a 3.8 GPA in my life. Fuck me.
>>1240659
So whats the problem?
Hit the gym and become a Chadder.
>>1240659
sorry about that anon.
did you interview at smaller firms?
the big firms are big on "fit"
if you will "fit" in with the other staff, if you will "fit" in with managers, etc.
Above, an anon discussed why a white male has better success in the workplace. Its because he has things in common with his peers and bosses. He can talk about things that upper middle class white people go and do. He knows how to act in a professional environment.
A lot of setting kids up for success is parents teaching their kids how to act successful, or that they come from money.
stop being a sperglord anon. Act like you belong and you will.
there are lots of great opportunity at smaller firms, but there is a huge difference between mom and pop shops and regional firms. go interview with some regional firms and you might just hit paydirt.
>>1226390
>$300,000 salary in medicine
>not a surgeon, urologist, or radiologist
top kek
Also, the difference between finance and medicine is that in medicine the max you'll make will be probably be in the hundreds of thousands range or low million provided that you're very good. In finance, 500k is what very clever people in their early late 20s or early 30s make.
>>1227175
>Just hope you rats realize how terrible you are. You are literally the reason why people hate capitalism.
>being an emotional cry baby who actually buys into the whole "waaaaah bankers are ebil!" thing
>>1240806
and you're also a meme
>>1240542
You seem like a real cunt
>>1240426
>thanks captain obvious??
Well it just reinforces it mang.
>>1240836
Great comeback, you sure disproved me.
