>San Fransisco
>Average rent for a one bedroom apartment: $3096
>Average per capita gross monthly income: $3898
why is this allowed?
Why do you want to live in San Francisco?
>>1206520
Highly desirable regions command premiums.
>>1206520
Nothing is 'allowed'. Its economics and it's called a bubble. Foreigners parking cash in tangible assets, it won't last much longer. Leave while you can
>>1206531
Yea, but why is it so highly desirable?
I'm in London and want to kill myself every day, the only positive is having "London" on facebook.
>>1206533
>Its economics
Manipulated, rigged bullshit is more like it
Just build a tiny house.
>>1206539
Yes, preach it brother. :^)
lol renter cuck pay that rent each month
let the hate flow through you
gooooooood
>>1206553
Your day will come parasitic NEET.
Renters are literal parasites
>lol were totally giving 3 grand in services every month
I aint even a berniefag
Hoestly if you want money live in those homeless sewers
>>1206520
Because SF is an awesome place to live with shit tons of things to do.
Quit being a poor cuck.
>>1206539
Your absolutely right, but the laws of economics still apply. The supply is limited but demand is infinite due to baseless money printing
>live in Italy
>studying chemistry for free
>live in a 4 room apartments, my rent is 80€/week
>for that sum I literally get to live in one of the most beautiful cities in the world (Florence)
Just leave the US mate, it's just not worth it. I know you guys are scared as fuck cause of immigrants but it's not a real problem and you wont ever have to deal with it. Western Europe is the answer to all of your problems.
>>1206657
I'm from the UK, could I have a similar setup in your city? Sounds tempting.
>>1206664
With 400€ week you may have to resort to a 2 rooms apartment if you really want to live in the historic centre.
I live in the suburbs, I usually get everywhere in less than 15 Minutes.
Also simce you're coming from the UK prepare to see how fucking expensive everything in your country is.
>>1206536
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>>1206520
Tech companies hire people, they have to live there, and are willing to pay the premium. Renters, who realized this raised price to meet demand. Well, sorta.
If you don't make enough to live in NY or San Francisco, consider going elsewhere.
>>1206520
you think that's bad?
check out Hong Kong... my 650sqft apartment costs $3kUSD to rent lol
>>1206520
Real Estate is pure evil, that's why.
>>1206539
What a sad scary place the world must be to you everyday you wake up
>why did the sun rises?
>because jew patriarchy wah everything
>save me Obama save me #occupy save me Bernie Sanders wah injustice I'm a victim
and they whisper, "no"
Just moved from the Bay Area, glad I'm out. Sold all of my real estate and can retire because of it, thanks California!
>>1206728
But what is the average income there?
>>1206520
>what is gentrification?
come on down to socal anon. OC to be more exact. If you could afford 1500 a month you could have a pretty nice apartment and 1700 could get you a luxury apartment with all the amenities pool on roof/washer and dryer inside apartment etc.
>Tech companies hire programmers at 6 figure salaries.
>Renters decide to raise prices due to higher demand, and income average goes higher
>rent becomes fucking impossible for everyone else who isn't making as much as a programmer
>>1206728
Chynah are ripping us off on rent folks
>>1208156
Bullshit.
If there were enough 6 figure salaries to justify the rent hike, then the average income would be much higher.
>>1208846
niggawhat
>>1208892
How are the units getting filled when the average rent clearly shows that they aren't enough 6 figure earners?
>>1208846
Here's how it goes:
X amount of people bought houses when they were affordable. Only 10% of X will sell in any given year, and the people they sell to are either old-timers who had a house, techies, or rich Chinese investors. So they can afford insane pricing.
Y amount of people have affordable housing or some sort of rent control so prices can't increase more than Z%. Accounted for.
The rest of the people who are too poor to cover rent either split it with 2-3 people to a room, or they move to Oakland.
This forces poor people out, you have multiple incomes paying for 1br's, etc.
The problem is the housing supply is so limited in SF, that you're only getting a decent place if you have money or go 2-3 to a room.
ALSO, a ton of tech workers work in Silicon Valley but live in SF because they're pieces of shit who think SF is "so trendy lol". And... SV has a limited housing supply because a ton of idiots decided to build it out like low-density exurbs instead of LA-style high density burbs.
Remember, average SF income is for people that work in the city and not live in the city. You need to consider average/median income for the whole Bay.
>>1208894
Because tech companies hire people and make them live in the Bay area, where space is quite limited. Due to higher demand and higher average income, rent goes higher.
Are you retarded?
>>1208900
Basically this.
>>1208894
Because you'll have multiple earners living in the same apartment. It's not uncommon for someholds to pay half their income in rent if they don't make much money. Having 3 or 4 people working and suddenly the rent is manageable.
In either case, san fransico has terrible zoning laws that don't allow for denser development. You can't build anything new there so you are stuck with what's been built
>>1208903
Not everyone in the area is a tech worker. What fucking part of the concept of an "average' don't you fucking understand?
>>1208913
No fucking shit.
But when you have a shit ton of 6-figure earners, AVERAGE (fucking read AVERAGE) income goes higher you fucking mongoloid.
Out of all the places you could live why would you choose san francisco?
>>1208913
Average income for SF is $90,000 and for SV it's $116,000.
There are 1.5 million tech jobs in SV. There are 800,000 people that live in SF. The people who commute from SF to the valley for the work could easily eat up whatever (non-existent) slack is in SF's housing supply.
At 3% vacancy rate with $4,000/month rents on a 1br, hm... wonder why? Do you think... some of the millions of tech workers are taking vacant units as they come, perhaps bidding up prices?
>>1206520
Because people are stupid enough to pay it. Find some place else near a train line that'll dump you in San Fran.
>>1208949
Is SV Silicon Valley or...?
>tfw live in house my uncle owns with bromate
>rent is $200 each a piece
>tfw make ~4K a month
Feels Bretty good except water heater went out last night
Midwest is
>>1206536
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>>1208967
>having a commute
Might as well kill yourself, senpai
>>1208043
It's not much higher than a big american city.
>>1206602
underrated
>why are people allowed to charge what people are willing to pay
>>1208949
Silicon Valley, yes. Basically the whole area between San Jose and SF.
>>1206728
You an ex-pat? What do you do there? Where in HK do you live? Like it over there?
>>1206728
I was paying $3/sq. ft. for a 200 sq ft studio in the midwest 5 years ago. Think a city cheaper than Chicago but prime real estate.
$5/sq ft is bad, sure.. but it's not much worse than expensive parts of the US.
>>1206539
>Manipulated, rigged bullshit is more like it
Correct... People charge the most they can get for things...
High demand = higher prices
>> Live in Palo Alto
Cannot wait to get the fuck out of here. Whole Bay Area sucks. Nothing but Chink Chings, Poo in loos, and white faggot Bernie supporters
>Live with a partner and suddenly you save 1.5k
I'm sorry, but you're paying for space in a city. If you want that space to yourself you have to pay a premium.
I hate it when people bring up the price of two bedroom apartments being too expensive for a single person to rent at minimum wage. If you bring a second person, min wage can support the rent.
>>1206841
except he's right ya dumb faggot. nothing scary about it but facts are facts
>>1209100
only person in this thread who knows what he's talking about, niggas don't even know about caltrain
>redwood city reporting in
>>1209284
How is Palo Alto shitty? That's actually my dream city, and I'm in Los Angeles.
Tell me more about Palo Alto pls
>>1206692
>Tech companies hire people, they have to live there
Kind of an oxymoron, not very high tech, bubble detected, drives wages and outsourcing up.
What world needs is a good ole fashioned die off by plague.
ha ha zoning
>>1206536
I've always wondered that about SF. I lived there for a bit, found it highly highly overrated.
DINKs can afford to live anywhere. Your average NEET cannot hope to compete.
>>1208053
Huntington beach reporting in. Im in my first apartment with a good friend from way back on middle school.
Rent is 1850. A month 2 bed 1 bath w/ a back yard. Good loving room and kitchen with real marble counter tops.
I pay 700. Roomy and his gf(know her from elementary if you could believe that) that lives here part time pay the 1350 and utilities.
Highly recommend here. If you're a rich fag, go anywhere from newport south though. Huntington is the middleclass/party town.
Heres a pic i yook while boking down from long beach to lake elsinore on pch and the ortegas.
>>1206539
> Manipulated, rigged bullshit is more like it
Power, in the hands of a few is more like it
>>1209613
He's a trump supporter. He can't function properly anywhere that isn't flyover.
>>1209987
>I like living in super progressive cities where 50% are asian, 20% are indians
Cope.
>>1209878
hows living with a roommate going for you?
>be in Phoenix, AZ area
>great and expanding tech company presence
>$900 for nice 1010sqft apt in gated community
>6 mi from office
>80k as software dev at 26 years old
The bay area sounds god fucking awful. Live somewhere where you can actually start a reasonable life.
>>1211068
1 bedroom apt, I should mention
>>1208282
>Chynah
Didn't she die along with Prince?
>>1206520
>live in Iowa
>take home $1100 a week
>rent for my 5th floor apartment is $535 and includes everything but electricity and my internet ($30 & $55 for a total of $620)
>low crime rate
>can do almost everything big city faggots can do
Must suck to be a big city faggot.
>>1211099
>living in Iowa
Some of us have aspirations, goals, dreams, and a desire to actually enjoy life.
>>1211099
Oh honey, please don't delude yourself into thinking Des Moines has all the typical big city amenities. It's as boring as Rockford, having been to both. SF's arts scene shits on all of Iowa combined. You're what, 7 hours from Chicago without traffic? Lol, pathetic.
>tfw there are still poors in the midwest who live more than 2 hours from Chicago
>>1206602
>>1206602
>Because commfornia is an awesome place to live with shit tons of things to do.
>>1209481
is that your whole argument?
say "He's right" and call me a name?
maybe you deserve to be poor
There are massive zoning laws that prevent high rises and they cant meet the demand. Enjoy your socialism bernie fucks
>>1211103
My interests include:
>huntin
>fishun
>shootin
>hikin
>runnin
>bykin
>swimmin
>bein a gym fag
>concerts/live music
>watching Netflix until we get to the part where we fuck
>>1211116
>art scene
Most art fags are completely unbearable human beings.
I played that game living in Sac for a while.
I was not impressed and CA people have shit attitudes, as do most big city fags.
Its a good safe place to raise a family, finances are easily manageable, the metro area has half a million people and I don't need to get stuck in traffic for extended periods of time because our city planners aren't retards.
I'll be retired in my 50's without having to worry about losing my home or not upkeeping it and drive a new vehicle for the rest of my life.
Big city fags tell themselves they've got it great so they don't kill themselves for having it so shit.
South Dakota is the shit. 700 a month including utilities for a 2 bedroom 2 bath HOUSE.
I live in a tiny room in a basement I rent for $800 from a lady near DC. I can't afford a car so I commute to work by bike.
I can't find a place near enough work for me to be able to make it to work there that I can also afford, but I also can't afford a car so that I can live further away in cheaper areas.
I also can't quit my job and just uproot completely because the benefits are amazing and the pay is quite decent.
To be honest I'm perfectly fine here but I worry about something like her suddenly deciding to sell and me being homeless.
>live in Canada
>cheapest 1 bedroom apartment in the ghetto is $800 a month
>internet and cell phone plans are expensive as fuck
>90% of jobs are $13/h service sector
>>1211157
>can't afford to quit
>has to live in a basement
>can't afford a car
>"pay is quite decent"
What?
>>1211246
I live downtown Toronto and live off of 10 hours a week of work Friday and Saturday night.
Made just about 40 grand last fiscal. Bartender master race.
>>1211140
>Big city fags tell themselves they've got it great
I don't know about you, but I do have it great.
Own my home.
Big City.
Retired (not 40 yet)
Iowa does look tempting, though...
>>1211288
40k in toronto is not a good life
>>1211250
Pay is decent in that it's the best I can get in the area. Doesn't mean it's enough to move.
In liebertarian lala land, a smaller and smaller government protects more and more property owned by the wealthy few from more and more displaced, disenfranchised, and desperate people.
>>1206536
Because it's a famous city.
Doesn't matter if it's actually a good place to live or not, famous cities will always costs insane amounts to live in.
>>1206536
I believe there are zoning laws that prevent or make it difficult for a building to be constructed with more than 5 floors. This will limit the supply along with with people still coming in to work for silicon valley results in housing costs growing.
>>1211355
>Iowa
>>1206536
When we say "desirable" we don't necessarily mean "it's a nice place", because any sane person would look at London and safely conclude that it's a dirty overcrowded toilet full of nasty low grade people.
"Desirable" means "where the best paying jobs are". Service based economies inevitably nucleate to a single city because of the competition for labour. It's hard to move house everytime you want a new job, so naturally you want to be somewhere where there are the most jobs, and companies plan their physical presence around this shared desire.
The only way out of this nightmare will be if virtual reality finally decentralises the service sector.
It will take a decade or two but it could actually happen that we don't need to be in London to do the work in London.
>>1206657
This. Living in Bavaria and studying for free as well. My single room apartment costs 300 Euro per month but the state gives me money (Bafög) so thats no problem. Only saw refugees one time this year and that was when I had to go to the central train station. Western Europe is pretty much underrated. Tomorrow I have no course so I go to the Alps for some hiking.
>>1212193
>300 Euro per month but the state gives me money
That sounds great. Where you from?
>>1211288
Wait you can make 40k just by working Friday & Saturday nights? Do you work at a club or a fine dining place?
>>1212227
Germany. But you only get free state money if you are student without rich parents.
>>1212234
>But you only get free state money if you are student without rich parents.
So you basically get free money no matter what situation you're in. Nice.
>>1206520
>retarded city costs retarded amounts of money to live in
>mandated having solar panels on every building
>>1206520
there's an artificial housing shortage there because building permits block new construction. it would be impossible to find an apartment if they put a price ceiling in.
>>1211377
>>1211288
>>1211246
What are you people doing? I'm in Toronto, 70-80k a year and pay 650 per month all in for a large basement around the corner from Forest Hill.
>>1212230
If you get a job downtown in one of the highly visited bars in the Esplanade area, then yes. The tips alone make up for it, and they declare only <10% of as taxable.
>>1209613
You live in LA, with so much to do, filled with good looking people and great food...
And you want to move to shitty Palo Alto?
Dafuq is wrong wit you?
>>1210043
DESIGNATED
>>1211116
You sound like someone who fits into SF perfectly.
I'm saying you sound like a fruitcake
>>1212236
>free money
You people are delusional
>about to move to Houston with a $40k job that goes up like $10k a year for the first few years
>will be breaking six figures by 30
>can get a house in white conservative suburbs for $1000/mo
>>1212678
Yeah but you have to live in Texas, which is basically the new Cuckifornia
>>1206520
Tech jobs. But there are other cities in the US with sprawling tech cities with rent prices no where near the expense in the bar area.
>>1206536
>Yea, but why is it so highly desirable?
Best place to live if you're into buttsex, or being a techie.
>>1212678
what job is this anon?
Eastern European here.
Should I move to America at all?
>>1206539
Like he said, economics.
>>1209878
my ideal house would be in the hills somewhere in the brea/fullerton area. You can get what most would consider a masnion for $1mil. Would love to have a beach house but would have to settle for newport with all the poorfags walking through your neighborhood and looking at your patio while they go to the beach
>>1209737
Many European Universities don't have a tuition fee. Mine is €5.5 a year, and the accommodation is pretty cheap as well, down to €120 for a 1-room flat with bathroom, in a small French city.
Studying at a private business school can be way more expensive though, for some reasons.
>>1212678
nice im trying to land a job this summer/fall after graduating in Houston as well. Houston is the largest city ive found with reasonable prices relative to city size. Any other southern cities like houston in terms of cost of living?
Its average, man. You have to look de distribution, like this:
5 apart rent is $ 10k
25 " is $ 1k
5% of population earn $ 20k
25% earn $ 2k
Something like that, i dont know if you understood.
I work in the city and if you are making < 50k a year I honestly feel bad for you
>>1214169
You're an idiot.
Have an appointment tommorow to view a house here in Tallahassee with my gf.
Rent is $895/mo and it's a 3 br/2 bath with 1200 SF. It's far enough away from FSU that the rents aren't jacked up from students who will pay hundreds of dollars more for a shitter house, townhome, or apartment just so their commute to school is 10 minutes instead of 20. It's pretty centrally located, in a middle class neighborhood, has HUGE front and back yards, and french doors in both the living room and master bedroom that open up to a large back deck. And it's in a metro area of 250,000 in Florida so it's not like I'm living in some shitty hick town in the midwest.
Central Florida is a great place to live too, housing in the Tampa and Orlando metros is reasonable compared to Cali and the Northeast. My gf's parents bought a 1600 SF 3/2 house with a pool in Polk County (in the exurbs equidistant from Orlando and Tampa) right after the housing bubnle burst for $110,000. The only repairs it needed were a fresh coat of paint inside and cleaning the neglected pool out.
>>1214122
Atlanta, Tampa, Orlando, Nashville, Memphis
>>1206539
t. Bernie Sanders
>>1206657
>questo appartamento
>http://www.subito.it/appartamenti/appartamento-a-follonica-3-locali-grosseto-162401385.htm
>100€
>mesi estivi
Oh mamma mia... E io immagino che i affittasi sono meni per i altri mesi.
Perche devo vivere in questo paese (Stati Uniti)? Devo praticare il mio italiano piu, allora che posso parlare con scioltezza, e volare a Italia. Io sono molto povero perche della scuola, ma sto pagando i miei debiti degli studenti. Io sono laureato in biologia cellulare e moleculare. Devo trovare un lavoro di scienza e vivere comodamente in Italia.
Scusate la assenza dei accenti
Supply and demand
>>1215542
Wrong.
> People sharing flats with roommates
That's definitely NOT a good standard of living. Jesus, you people even take it gladly in the ass by saying "b-but it's a great socializing experience!".
Boomers are literally laughing at you.
>>1216699
I will never again share a bathroom with someone unless I'm fucking them or they came from my gonads.
>>1206692
And those tech companies are blowing angel capital, not actual profits. It's all a bubble.
