if my ultimate goal is to design and build skyscrapers at some point in my career, what should I do/major in going into a good engineering college right now
How about engineering?
why not build an Arcology instead??
>>1150579
Probably something like women's or gender studies.
>>1150579
did you read trump's first book?
just learn business. Pay some autist to design your building and put your name on top.
>>1150579
Civil / Mechanical Engineering or double major Finance and Accounting
>>1150636
>Pay some autist to design your building and put your name on top.
Some people actually life goals that aren't completely centered about money. OP clearly said they wanted to design a skyscraper.
BS in Civil Engineering. MS in Structural Engineering
>>1150636
I did not read his book, is it actually worth reading?
FOUNTAINHEAD
>>1150579
civil engineering, that is what skyscraper designers do. If you want to deal with calculating the forces needed and figure out the materials and so on. If you just want to design it then probably architect.
>>1150579
design and create skyscraper projects, utility, functions, infrastructure etc. (plans) > architecture
calculate necessary dimensions beams, walls, slabs etc. (dimensions and materials of the structure) according to the initial architectural design > civil engineering
t. It's my job
>>1150579
structural engineering
Jesus fuck on a bike. Ignore all these newfags. Engineers dont design shit. Architects design buildings and use engineers to fill them with beams, columns, trusses. ducts, pipes and services.
If you want to tbe "Designer" ie the one responsible for the building's shape then you need to be an Architect. Engineer's are the Architect's bitches. Archifag here.
>>1153474
>Engineer's are the Architect's bitches
>>1153478
>Engineer's are the Architect's bitches
they are the architects sub-consultants. structural engineers do not design geometries nor do they design projects, nor do they plan their functions, utility, purpose or how they should look like, that is not their job nor their skillset. the job of the structural engineer is to calculate the architects geometry and give the beams, columns etc. an approval of dimensioning for fabrication.
The developer,
Gets the Architects, Engineers, the land, the city, and the tenants together.
Be the developer anon.
>>1153505
>Be the developer anon.
doesnt design skyscrapers, nor does he know how to do that, which is of interest to the OP, you missed the thread and give nothing substantial to the subject.
Also the developer may call a competition for a particular project which the architects apply to, but whom the sub-consultants are and in most case who the contractors are, is decided or prepared for decision by the project-architect.
>>1153512
he asked to build it and that means a multitude of things. from the welder on up.
The Developer plans and manages the whole project from outset to completion.
Takes the most risk, Gets the most Reward, Gets his name on the building.
The architectural firm's lead gets a plaque somewhere.
The Head Engineer of the firm has his name on the plans.
The architect is subject to the limitations and whims of the developer. Rarely do they get a carte blanche to work their magic.
>>1153523
>The architect is subject to the limitations and whims of the developer. Rarely do they get a carte blanche to work their magic.
actually we ALWAYS do, the developer rarely manages the whole project else he is a specialized real-estate developer with architects of his own managing the project, a standard investor doesn't have those capabilities.
the architectural firm's lead is actually for all the high-rank building projects (skyscrapers, theaters, stadiums, etc.) the most prominent person involved in the project for the public. (Foster, Hadid, Mayne, Ando, Gehry, Eisenman, Libeskind etc.)
the head engineer of the firm, is a subconsultant of the architect, and gets his name on the plans he delivers- which depending on what he is payed for may be, shuttering plans, beam-connectors etc.
t. as mentioned it is my job for more than a decade, I did design and have built skyscrapers
>>1153537
How did you start out in the field? I've been thinking about studying architecture. The program that I'm looking at right now is offered at BCIT (in Vancouver, BC) and it's basically a 2 year diploma (Architectural and Building Technology) that leads into a Bachelor of Technology in Architectural Science.
I read about the job prospects of architects in BC, and it's pretty positive since around 45% of the architects in the city are over 40 years old, so they will be retiring pretty soon. However, I'm concerned about being stuck in a low page position for a long period of time without being able to progress up the ladder.
How has your career turned out so far? Any advice?
>>1150579
nobody 'designs skyscrapers' anon. it's collaborative effort involving a ton of different roles, jobs and skillsets.
>>1154489
I work in Europe.
Finished my studies, got a Master of Science in Architecture (here it is called Diplom-Engineer of Architecture).
Since my Bachelor degree I was working in a small architecture office, we mostly did building permits for developers. They give us a site, we make them a project concept, if they deem it profitable for their investment we make them a building permit, they can then sell the site for a better price with the permit or build it themselves if they can raise the capital. After three years of experience after graduation you are allowed to make the states-exam and given the legal title of Architect, that comes with the membership in the Chamber of Architects.
This is more or less the job. I once got a site from an investor to make a feasbility study (project concept) for, I designed a skyscraper, the investor deemed it profitable, we drafted a plan for the building permit, got the permit, the investor managed to raise capital (it was arround 90mil €) and we were given the general planing contract to manage the project construction. this involved getting subconsultants (structural engineers, electricians, HVAC etc.), subcontractors (in our case a general contractor - civil engineers) that were necessary to realize the project as it was initially designed by me.
Architecture is a broad field, in which you can specialize in pretty much everything that is being built. (even spaceship design, which I am writting a PhD currently in collaboration with ESA).
>>1154501
>nobody 'designs skyscrapers' anon.
architects do
>>1154853
Why is the height of an architects career to make a building that they think is a cool shape? Don't you have bigger goals?
>>1154874
>Why is the height of an architects career to make a building that they think is a cool shape?
because it isn't. the height of the architects career depends on the architect. what is "cool" however depends on the contemporary discourse. what people like you think architects "are, want, do", depends on the shit some faggot imagines while writting a script for HIMYM.
architect designs the building. engineer then tells architect if their design is doable or not. if you want to draw and be creative, be an architect. if you want to crunch numbers and create the underlying design to support the architects design, be an engineer.
be alpha... become both. 5 years for arch bs and an extra 2 years for engineer bs.
>>1153537
>>1154853
>>1154899
this guy is legit. developers are generally deep pocketed dumb dumbs like trump.
can you explain how costs work with a skyscraper project? I've heard that adding floors becomes a marginal cost once you build a structure that can support a steel-framed structure that can support at least 10 stories
what percentage of the project generally goes to land costs?
assuming I have the land already, what kind of skyscraper can I get for 100 million dollars?
>>1150579
Lol
>design buildings
>engineering
Wot?..
Go into fucking architecture you dimwit.
>>1155187
No dude you're the dumb one. Modern large scale architects often have structural engineering backgrounds
>>1155454
>Modern large scale architects often have structural engineering backgrounds
ehm, all architects I know have a structural engineering background, we are taught structural engineering at universities. it is your choice (at least in the country I practice) if you want to sign your own structural dimensioning or if you want to give it to a specialised structural engineer, since structural engineers spend most of their time in calculating dimensioning and structural systems, and I spend most of my time planing projects, it is a rational decision to out-source my work to a specialist rather than to do it myself. In bigger architectural offices (e.g. AECOM) I may have the finances to hire a structural engineer inhouse instead of outsourcing it to a sub-consultant.
JESUS CHRIST THIS THREAD.
>Hey guys i want to design and build big fat buildings
>Biz: HEY GO WITH ENGINEERING BRO
i hope this is another meme like the sucking dollar dick.
>>1154853
>They give us a site, we make them a project concept, if they deem it profitable for their investment we make them a building permit, they can then sell the site for a better price with the permit or build it themselves if they can raise the capital
So the developer comes to your office with an idea of what to build on a specific site, and your office basically designs and assesses whether or not the idea is feasible and how much it would cost?
How much does the knowledge of architecture transfer across different countries? For example, if I get an architecture degree at a technical institute in Canada, would I be able to find an architect position in Europe?
Overall, sounds like a pretty fucking neat career. How repetitive is the day-to-day work though? Is there any room for creativity, or is every building plan pretty much the same? How much extra experience/education is needed before you can branch out in what you design? I mean, as an architect can you easily cross-over from apartment design to like stadiums, or libraries or stuff like that?
>>1150579
>>1150708
There's good content but keep in mind that he didn't actually write it himself. He paid an autist and put his name on in.
It details his history in real estate and gives insight into his business practices and negotiation methods. If you can see past the obvious egocentrism, it's not a bad read
>>1155629
>So the developer comes to your office with an idea of what to build on a specific site, and your office basically designs and assesses whether or not the idea is feasible and how much it would cost?
yes, that is basically it. there is a real estate development triangle, idea - investment - site. the idea needs a site and an investment, the investment an idea and a site, the site an investment and idea. investors come with site or/and investment, architects with the idea or/and site (sometimes you actively look for investors if you found an interesting feasible site with good development capabilities, having an idea for a profitable project that would benefit from the location). the costs are in the beginning estimates upon built projects of the same size, utility, function and quality classification, not as complicated but would need more text to describe than willing to write right now.
>How much does the knowledge of architecture transfer across different countries? ...
if you are a good project manager and a planer you will find a job everywhere in the world, the only problem being adapting the states building code and fire regulations your are working in, which is manageable in a month and shouldn't be a problem.
>How repetitive is the day-to-day work though? Is there any room for creativity, or is every building plan pretty much the same? ...
it is repetitive, especially when you work as a cad-technician. you need to be creative because you are confronted with problems which you are responsible for solving. the better you solve them, the better architect you are. you can cross and design whatever you want, but some architects are more experienced in hospitals other in apartments.
one quality that every architect needs to have, since it is essential, is the ability to envision what only exists on the plans, and before that in your mind. if you don't have that, you most probably will not be able to do the profession. this however can be trained.
How do I became real estate developer? Like, how do I become a big shot like Hadid. What are the pros and cons compared to ibanking?
Sophomore at a prestigious American school speaking.
>>1155694
Would you recommend it as a job for the future? I would probably finish the Bachelor's degree in 4 years or so, and that's without a Master's. Would I be stuck as a CAD-technician just drawing designs that are fed to me, or can you enter a good position as a designer right after school?
I know most architects complain about being underpaid, is that because they're not any good or is there just no room to progress into high paying projects? Also how do architects get paid? Do they demand a specific budget based on the project, or does company just pay a "Senior Architect" or whatever a monthly salary to draw designs for them?
>>1155781
>Would you recommend it as a job for the future? ...
It is a job where only if you develope a specialisation in a specific field (or more) you can achieve good positions right after school.
- Some examples are design and engineering of construction details (my speciality, see picrelated), parametric design through coding geometry scripts, or writing computer-aided-floorplan genetic algorithms for example
project-management, construction management, real-estate-development (which are absolute essentials) are however necessary to know, but these tasks are only given to you once you are experienced enough to lead own projects.
>I know most architects complain about being underpaid, is that because they're not any good or is there just no room to progress into high paying projects?
Most architecture students (most students in general regardless of field of study) do the bear minimum to pass, the bear minimum means mostly that other than drawing plans they didn't engage in anything in what to excel at, thus they are payed for something which is in a great supply of, namely CAD-technicians. Do not kid yourself, this is the entry-job for everyone that finished the studies, but if you do not specialise yourself in a specific field and become an expert, you will most likely stay underpaid.
An architect is payed for his expertise and the responsibility he carries, if you carry none, you get none. Field expertise (no space for misjudgement, your word is an obligation) and immaculate project management (buildings are high-investment projects) are the things that you are payed for, therefore your budget on a project is in percentages of the building cost (arround 10% for the general planing depending on the project classification and the state - consultants included).
>>1156059
>It is a job where only if you develope a specialisation in a specific field (or more) you can achieve good positions right after school.
to show you this through an example. there was an architect that started experimenting with CAD systems (Catia 3Ds more specifically) used in aerospace engineering because conventional CAD's didn't offer him the posibility to create curvilinear surfaces in a precision needed to get them manufactured. He became an expert in creating architectural designs using the curvilinear formal language when there was no other, nor was it ever in such a demand by the then architectural discourse that people were interested in enganging in it. However after a couple of years such designs were noticed as a breakthrough in computer-aided-design and manufacturing, and he was the only expert on that field in the world.
Now this is common knowledge, and people create even more complex geometrical designs, but then it was a novelty.
>t. he told it to me himself; picrelated
