What do you think of a double major in economics and philosophy? yay or nay
>>1112093
What are you thinking law school?
>>1112093
>What do you think of a double major in economics and philosophy?
Why philosophy? You gonna be a philosopher bro?
>>1112097
fuck no, it's just an interest are we not allowed to pursue genuine interests nowadays
I actual find economics the most interesting out of all the business majors, however I dont really know what kind of career you do with that other than law school or teaching.
Maybe if you get a minor in stats you can find some analytical spot in a company but at that point you could have done the same thing with an accounting or finance degree that offers more job stability
>>1112102
>however I dont really know what kind of career you do with that other than law school or teaching.
does that go for everywhere in the world, i live in new zealand
>>1112103
ausfag here, i assume our uni system is similar
are you getting an arts degree and then double majoring in that?
is an arts degree useless like it is in australia and basically means u wont get hired?
>>1112093
Study philosophy in your spare time as leisure bro.
It's a god-tier hobby, and you can study it completely on your own for very little money spend on books.
>>1112105
uhh economics is taught through the business or science department, philosophy is an arts major though
i think it depends on the employer tbqh senpai, i've heard of companies that only hire arts majors
>>1112111
yup
>>1112093
I say yeayuh booboo
>>1112112
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p.s double majors are memes, just focus on one thing and stick with it
>>1112093
>philosophy
isn't there a better way to waste time and money?
>>1112129
>money
ehh it's only a few k
>>1112100
Not if it's philosophy and you want money
Philosophy is not a meme degree. Economics is the meme. If you're applying for anywhere worthwhile then non-plebs will review your CV and pick you, assuming your smart
>>1112108
This shit right here, OP.
In my experience Philosophy classes were trash. I had way more fun researching on my own and striking up convos with friends about deep shit.
>>1112093
>where is the cake
>you said there'd be cake
>it's right there just take some goddamn
>eggman.jpg
>>1112093
>asking 4chan what you should do with your life
>>1112102
I thought companies found economics degrees useful... how competitive is getting an analytical job between economics and finance majors?
>>1112100
Why do you need to pay Mr Goldstein 5k a semester to learn philosophy?
Harvard even puts up their video lectures and notes for those courses online >for free. It's not like you can't just buy the same textbooks on Amazon and read it yourself.
Between that, the internet, and the library, you could easily learn it yourself.
If you're gonna double major, then double major STEM degrees, or one STEM one meme, but definitely not two meme degrees.
>>1112389
This
>>1112093
God tier combo if you attend the right school. If its too much of a workload you can always just minor in philo instead.
>>1112093
>majoring in philosophy
>ever
You are a disgrace
>>1112093
nay
try econ and math
>>1112093
Comp sci or engineering, rest is various degrees of memery
>>1113826
What about trades?
>>1113829
Trades are good
Plumbers and electricians
>>1113860
Trades are fucking shit.
Enjoy making dickall unless you join a union in which case you'll be making slightly more dickall.
>>1113826
>Computer science
>Not a meme
You realize how many people are studying that now, right? It's the lawschool of today.
In a few years to a decade that shit will be rekt meanwhile Finance jobs are growing in huge numbers.
Thank God I never fell for the CS meme
>>1112102
economics is not a business major, at least in my university
>>1113868
Why? Plenty of trade jobs here pay a lot of money
>>1113868
Electricians make 40-60$/hr in my area
Physics + Business/economics > all
Philosophy? fuck no, buy some books on amazon if you want some philosophy.
>>1112093
>yay
It's "yea", you illiterate fuck.
How about a Computer science major and finance minor anons?
>>1112093
That's what I did.
Now I just day trade and read books at Starbucks.
It's a good life.
Philosophy Undergrad.
Masters in Finance
You cant learn philosophy by reading in your spare time. It requires dedicated study. Now im not saying all philosophy majors are intelligent (just like anything, garbage in, garbage out), but I think that my education in philosophy is the most important thing i've ever done, spiritually, existentially, religiously...etc.
I do finance to pay the bills.
Ask me anything. If you are willing to sit and listen, I will tell you everything you need to know about philosphy
>>1112389
>economics
>meme degree
Why does /biz/ insist on keeping this meme alive?
>>1114031
>that delusion
top kek
>>1114037
Because /biz/ is dead and shit.
People just call everything "memes", it doesn't matter what it is.
Never mind the fact that masters and PhD's in economics are one of the most well paid areas. Economics phd's make like $134,000 median. Not bad at all.
>>1114044
my ancestors are smiling at me troll. Can you say the same?
>>1114031
You can be genuinely curious and disciplined to study seriously on your own with modern resources. Obviously having a teacher and classmates helps the environment, but isn't necessary.
Continental or analytical phaggit?
>>1114051
so you're deluded AND retarded.
It's a good combination of soft sciences/mathematics/humanities with a reasonable level of employability thanks to the economics end of it.
I'd give it a big thumbs up, but I'm biased.
>>1114051
Why would your ancestors be any more concerned with you than they are with your descendant 5 million years from now?
>>1114101
Analytical.
Continental philosophy is basically literature,
Well, to be fair, you could say that about anything, but Analytic has more structure, so maybe its like Shakespearean iambic pentameter lol. Doesnt matter, they're just analogies yo.
Ok, joking aside, allow me to ignore the trolls baiting to what i said about "my ancestors" and discuss philosophy.
First of all, many dont even know what philosophy means. Colloquially it is used in this way. "Hakuna Mattata, that's my philosophy"
This is a pleb tier understanding of philosophy, in which the word is used as a noun for one's aggregate beliefs.
TO begin, lets start at the root of the words.
Philo (Greek) for "Loving" and Sophia, for Knowledge, or Wisdom. So a Philosopher is a lover of widom / knowledge. That's where it gets its name.
Interestingly, before science was an organized body of knowledge, early scientists were called "Natural Philosophers". The scientific method is really an application of a rigorous method of proof and argumentation that was developed over the years by Philosophers.
Next, I'll discuss what philosophy actually does, rather than what it IS
>>1114224
Post 2
One rut that students often fall into is a confusion about definitions. Allow me to illustrate with an example.
John: "Free Will doesnt exist, because everything is determined by the laws of physics, and since there is only 1 possible outcome in physics, when you make a choice, you couldnt have chosen otherwise, Thus, there is no free will"
Sally: "Nuh uh, that depends on your definition of free will!"
If you've ever taken philosophy 101, I'm sure you've had this experience. The thing is, that sally is technically correct. Whether or not "free will" exists will indeed depend on one's definition. What Sally does not seem to grasp is that this is not a practical method of argumentation. John has created a complex string of propositions, and sally has tried to invalidate them by simply saying that his propositions dont meld with her definition of free will.
What I am trying to show you through this example is that, even though philosophy is called "Philo-Soph" (Lover of wisdom), it isnt about finding true facts. Well, it is, but what I mean to say is that it is about more than just "truth". Its about WORDS.
Which words should we use to describe the world? Which words, upon further analytical review, are revealed to be unclear, muddy, and generally unhelpful to speak of
A prime example of this is the concept of the Soul. What is a freaking soul? Its supposed to be a non-physical, non-divisible, eternal essence that is "within" everyone, although "within" in this sense is a metaphor, since souls transcend space and time...
Yet scientists dont use the term "soul". Why? Because under further, more rigorous analysis, the concept of a soul seems to be contradictory, or at the very least not helpful for describing the world and for communication between individuals. And so now, after "Natural Philosphers" have analyzed the word "the soul" we have decided not to use it anymore cuz its confusing.
Philosophy is the study of what the words should be
>>1114263
Post 3
Once you have understood that philosophy is really just an excercise of deciding which words are meaningful, you can zoom out and begin to understand what philosophy really is.
Take Immanuel Kant for example. He had a very good brain, and could think well. Did he hold the secret philosophy to life and existence? No, he didnt. What he had was a system of words, as I have described above.
What was good about Kant's system, was that he was so rigorous and robust in his analysis, that he basically was able to form coherent definitions for all his terms "being, self, free-will, knowledge etc..." Kant's system is truly beautiful when you look at the logic of it, but in the end, that's all it is. One system, of potentially infinite language systems that are not contradictory.
This is why its ridiculous to say that "I live my life by Kant's philosophy" Kant's philosophy is not a "way of life", its basically a lagnuage in and of itself.
Perhaps a useful analogy for beginners foreign to this idea is computer languages. A computer language is not a way to live your life. Yet it is USEFUL. Since it is internally coherent. It's commands MEAN something, inasmuch as they can be USED to achieve a desired end. Yet outside of the system, they are meaningless.
When philosophers were arguing over souls versus physical bodies, they were essentially having a battle to see what computer language would become the standard, or how should people talk about themselves. What nouns and verbs and syntax should our language have...
>>1114275
Post 4
So OP. Why is the use of learning Philosophy? Should you major in it with economics?
From what I've described, you can expect a degree in philosophy to involve a study of 2 things, Objects and Operators. The objects of philosophy are the words. The operators are valid methods of inference, ie, the ways that you can combine words together to make "meaningful" sentences (ie, that dont violate any of the sytax or rules of the language)
The logical operators are incredibly important to learn about, since they are inherent to EVERY language. No one has invented new rules of valid inference in thousands of years. Sure, statistical inference is somewhat new, but it still follows the same basic rules that the ancients used. Studying how to apply these rules will make you a master THINKER. No one will be able to profess an argument to you that is flawed. It will not be possible to lead you astray with sophistry. This can be very important when it comes to building statistical models.
In regards to the OBJECTS, the things you will learn will include, "Physical Object" "Soul" "Mind" "RIght" "Wrong" etc... A degree in philosophy wil give you lots of study in regards to what these words mean. And let me tell you, they mean different things to different people.
This can be useful in that it helps you communicate with Plebians, who do not know what the words they are using mean, yet it can also be useful in regards to protecting your mind from others. You will not be guilt tripped into thinking this is "wrong" or that this other thing is "right" because you know that that concept doesnt hold up under scrutiny.
This is useful because there are many words that people are pre-programmed to react emotionally to. Once you examine these words, (ex. Freedom, Right thing to do...etc) their emotional power over you will evaporate.
This is the only way to break the conditioning that institutions like the church and society has subjects you, and all other sheep, to.
>>1114290
you don't need to spend four years in school to figure any of this shit out though.
I will now pause and accept questions. I believe that I have been very clear, but as it is with words, I cannot be sure that I've been understood properly.
I will check back onto this thread periodically. If there are any questions, I will be happy to address them.
It is always a pleasure sharing wisdom with those who seek it .
>>1114297
no, you do not, but your argument is a prime example of an important philosophical concept!
The difference between a Necessary and a Sufficient Condition.
The logic goes like this.
A is a necessary condition for B translates to
"If not A, then not B"
Whereas a Sufficient condition (A is sufficient for B) looks like this
"If A, then B"
BUT, unlike with the necesary condition, just because you have B (ie, B is true), one cannot infer that A is also true. You can only draw that type of inference from a Necessary condition.
The classic example I use is Corellation and Causation. You've all hear your moronic statistics professors beat it into your head that "Corellation is not causation" when indeed, what they really MEAN is that
"Corellation is not sufficient for Causation"
Yet any reasonable person can see that Corellation is a necessary condition for causation.
>>1112379
depends on what you did
fuck, there were even kids from top 20 target schools (Berkley for ex) with english majors who would get interviews with finance gigs over finance majors from other schools
Finance has alot of fucking leeway in terms of career path, but the fact that an econ major can take a series 6 and pass the CFA and get finance gigs speaks about its versatility
>>1114215
implying his line lives on
>>1114290
This anon gets it, but for some reason expects us to buy his book. No job openings, friend?
>>1114432
where did he ask to buy the book? I'm a current Computer Science student double majoring with Philosophy as well and he provided a good interpretation.
>>1114275
The true redpill comes when you realize everything this guy has said is also just a string of words with "operators" that are predicated upon his system-apprehending modes of thought that are also founded on the goo of sense-datum that reality has foisted upon him since he's been breathing.
>>1114389
But what about the argument saying that versatility isnt always as good as something more specialized
>>1112093
it's a great idea but chances are you're going to become a full-blown comunist.
just saying.
>>1116711
communist
>M.Tech in applied and engineering physics
or
>M.Sc. in applied physics
I'm prob gonna go for a PhD in applied physics anyways so I feel like the MSc might be the better move because it's a more natural path towards the PhD. Also my specialisation will be pretty much the same regardless of what I choose (plasma physics) so in a sense I feel like the MSc is better suited for me because with the MTech I'll have less subjects relevant to my actual specialisation and more mandatory general physics classes and more bullshit classes dealing with philosophy, management, economics, "entrepreneurship" (as if you can learn that shit in a classroom) etc.
Thoughts? I know you physicsfaggots (even some plasmafags) are out there I've seen you post before
>>1112093
math econ is the way to go. i do it at a top 20 and am thoroughly enjoying it
