> college is a scam
> corporations and rich people run money overseas to avoid taxes
> free trade agreements and h1-b visas stealing jobs
> the few jobs left are replaced by robots
What the fuck do we do?
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-robots-are-coming-for-jobs-that-pay-20-an-hour-or-less-white-house-finds-2016-02-22?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link
>>1108724
get a comfy white collar job in a forever field like finance or law or medicine or set yourself up for management and consulting
Playing the bullshit is the only answer. Only a moron thinks that modern politicians can fix issues like this without massive consequences.
>>1108724
>What the fuck do we do?
We hope Kim Jong Un actually grows some balls and JUST DOES IT
If you replace workers with robots then who the fuck is left with a job and income to buy your products?
Its imo a turning point in the human history. I know that's a pretty massive claim to make, but i think it is. Very few can actually understand the reprocusutions of what is going to happen.
>>1108736
no one. that's when you depopulate
>>1108724
Pretty much become great at everything that doesn't involve exact algorithms and construction. Excell at something that works directly with humans - service, management, consulting, sales etc. I support >>1108743 with his claim that the next years will massively alter what we know as employment/ work. That and pray that basic income will become reality.
>Muh robots muh ruined economy
You myopic fucking retards. You were the lords crying during feudalism that the peasants found new tools to farm easier.
"B-but we will have less manual labor WE ARE RUINED NOBODY WILL FIND ANYTHING ELSE TO DO"
Next thing you know we have cities and eventually capitalism.
>BUT MUH AUTOMATIC FACTORIES what will people have jobs for now!!!
Congrats we're still around even though bubble gum is no longer made by hand
A new economic system will arise out of whatever situation we find ourself in; don't kid yourself, you doomsaying faggots
buy your freedom baby
>robots coming for <$20 an hour jobs
>raise minimum wage to $20
DISASTER AVERTED
>>1108757
yes everyone will have a job when ALL LABOR is automated
everyone will just become intelligent contributors to the knowledge economy and work hard to stay ahead of the robots capabilities
never mind the current mass unemployment that already exists and huge populations of welfare whores
>>1108724
>What the fuck do we do?
Here is a copypaste from early days of biz when it was still good:
The solution is in the article!
If wages haven't risen in 45 years, don't work for wages!
Have a job, but have some gig on the side; rent rooms out in your house, do work under the table, etc.
I met one teacher who rented their house out during the summer and then travelled ostensibly leading students for 2 months on cultural expeditions.
If you simply go to work and come home to the tube and a six pack, then, yes, your situation will be stagnant.
This is why you need transparent markets: If people can hide their actions they will act to screw everyone else. If others see their actions, they will be punished and will act in the best interest of the group.
Explains a lot in life, doesn't it?
>>1108736
Tax automation, give citizen's a wage.
>>1108782
Mfw dumb whites will actually see that as a plausible way to fight this
>>1108724
isnt the answer contained in the problem?
education is not a sham, only the US labor market is. We live in a global society that overvalues American education. now go get a job.
>>1108793
No shit, bud. Things don't transition smoothly. You need this sort of situation to warrant a change. Do you even think, ever? Why would anything change if everyone was happily employed and the economy was working like a well-oiled machine? Jesus Christ just think for a moment
>>1108749
>basic income
Literally never happening
The only jobs I see being hired without 5+ years experience
>truck driver
>nurse
>engineer
Everything else is gg
>>1108746
funny , so people deserve to exist as long as they serve the system.
Car salesman nigga, im about to hit the big sales season. I also cant imagine this job getting automated until we have androids past the uncanny valley aka not while im alive
>>1108749
>Tfw construction worker, farm hand, seafood processor
Well thank god im going to college in the fall got damn
>>1108923
auto driving trucks should be coming soon
>>1108914
Theyll give us a shitty version. Free ghetto housing. Monthly soylent supply. Free vr and wifi. Free weed from the government and a stipend of "cash" except itll be dogital and you can only spend ot on the goods they approve.
Keeps us docile
>>1108923
Truckers will be the first to get automated. Wothin 10 years. Screencap this
>>1108924
people don't deserve to exist, they're permitted and only as long as they're useful
>>1108743
yes i think so too.
but the first year of robots will suck and it will take some time to make adjustments and such
>muh automation
Add that one to your list of scams
>>1109219
>the first year of robots will suck
>speaking about robots in future tense
http://youtu.be/rVlhMGQgDkY
>>1109144
I used the wrong word, sorry. Construction should be fine as the neccessary agility for that will never be rivaled by machines - at least not for a very long time. I meant to say assembly or whatever the correct term is. Stuff that's being built in factories.. This goes both for grunt work at the conveyor belt and even engineers higher up. Engineer jobs narrow down more and more to the elite performers.
>>1109227
We have said in this thread that there will be exceptions, industries that can't be automated. Trading obiously is one of them. Everything that follows a strict and repeating routine is going to get automated. Trading requires too much human intuition.
>>1108724
buy robo-tech stocks
taking a wild hopeful stab, but I assume this would increase the value of creative fields?
>>1109227
If you seriously think automation is a scam you're the biggest idiot alive
>>1109250
>Construction should be fine as the neccessary agility for that will never be rivaled by machines
You don't think they'll begin designing houses that are easier for robots to build do you?
When the phillips head screwdriver was invented we started using phillips head screws to assemble things.
>>1108724
implying it's a bad things robots finally take every job there are. humans would be finally free.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVlhMGQgDkY
they are already here. wont take long anymore. tehcnology has never been advancing as fast as it is currently. it's insane.
>>1109386
just teach them how to use rifles and we're all fucked
>>1108757
Every time.
That argument simply isn't true anymore. There's no new industry for low skill people to move in to. Farming went to machining went to service. That's the end of the line.
And people who say b-but muh job can't be automated: maybe it can't, but everyone else who is out of a job will be moving into your field, driving wages down to nothing. And if that doesn't happen (I'm the only guy in the universe who can do my job), then your employer will likely cease to exist when they have no one to sell to anymore, because no one has any income.
Automation is going to get pretty spooky folks.
>>1108836
>This is why you need transparent markets: If people can hide their actions they will act to screw everyone else. If others see their actions, they will be punished and will act in the best interest of the group.
That's why I hate the attitude toward earnings in the US. People are ashamed of earning too little while others are afraid of letting others know they earn too much.
>>1109395
How will this effect the general population, though? Seriously, what will we do?
>trying to predict the ramifications of automation
No one knows shit other than it's coming. Predicting whether it'll be a net gain or a net loss for certain people is impossible.
>>1109380
Are homeless people free?
>>1109402
either a big ass revolution. or brave new world.or m perhaps the matrix.
>>1109394
there are already war and hunting bots. most of them have rifle accuracy 10x better than humans do.
>>1109402
More unemployed people will be demanding welfare, but since less people are working and buying things, there will be no taxes to pay for them. That will lead to widespread revolt and societal collapse.
Or we will have to implement basic income and basically all be serfs to large corporations to feed us soylent and keep us alive, but they really have no incentive to do so, so people will be killed or just starved to death.
the fun fact is that once the artificial intelligence has advanced to human levels they WILL take over humans and make us their slaves. it's not even a question. most scientists agree this is real threat in the future.
>>1108757
This is retarded, though. Although we've seen huge sweeping changes to economic systems through the evolution of technology before this occurrence is a different animal completely.
In the past it was mostly labour roles that were disappearing but now not only are the few labour roles remaining going to disappear but skilled labour jobs too. A change on this scale has not been seen before.
And regardless if I'm right or not it's stupid to not expect large economic upheaval to be a simple, painless process. Living standards were fucking horrific during the industrial revolution
>>1109421
>we will try to program code into them that says they're not allowed to harm humans
>eventually they'll be smarter than us and simply remove the code
just fuck my species up, family
>>1109395
that's a complete nonsense. it is just as easy to replace regular docs and lawyers as a low skilled janitors. in fact, lawyers will be the next in line as the job is perfect and very easy for a robot to master.
only profession that will have guarantee job is programmers. all kinds of programmers will be in huge demand.
>>1109417
>in my head movies when I'm night night
>>1109402
There are a handful of automation experts in the US, many of whom believe that the middle class will basically disappear. A few will move up to the upper class while the majority move down.
I think people like Sanders will become more popular and eventually socialism will move in to America. There might be a revolution. None of these changes will he very helpful though.
I think the only move that would help, would be to outlaw certain aspects of automation, or if companies that did move that direction were boycotted by the public. Of course if further automation were made illegal in the States, companies would flee overseas, and the US would have to become strongly protectionist, putting restrictions on imports. Politically, that would be very difficult.
>>1109429
>only profession that will have guarantee job is programmers. all kinds of programmers will be in huge demand.
for a while, until the robots start coding too.
hell, they can already write music and invent cooking recipes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtU9p1VYtcQ
these things are scary
>>1109435
>I think the only move that would help, would be to outlaw certain aspects of automation, or if companies that did move that direction were boycotted by the public.
Then the robotics companies would simply move to China and in a few years we'd have refined death robots on our doorstep. Pretty much what happened with japanese isolating themselves and having gunboats show up while they were still doing their samurai bullshit.
>>1109439
>for a while, until the robots start coding too.
yeah, true. and yes. i dont buy a second the "creativity job" myth. robots already write better music than humans do
>>1108724
Get a job that requires first aid training.
It'll take at least thirty years for a robot that can do even basic first aid without drawing a law suit less than one time out of ten.
And whatever organization that would be in charge of administrating medical robots for field first aid would be stuck in regulation hell for decades.
>>1109429
>only profession that will have guarantee job is programmers. all kinds of programmers will be in huge demand
This is flat-out wrong. Code generation is one of the easiest skills to automate because it's pure software.
>>1108724
The solution to robots is to sabotage machinery and push a pro-human movement.
Fuck transhumanism, fuck robots.
muh "no jobs"
muh "sky is falling"
I would expect this from other boards, but not this one. If you have a clean record, are healthy and at least a HS degree you shouldn't have a hard time finding a job. If you want a career though I would suggest learning a trade or going into higher education
http://www.livescience.com/29379-intelligent-robots-will-overtake-humans.html
"The Singularity is Near: When Humans Transcend Biology" (Viking, 2005), futurist Ray Kurzweil predicted that computers will be as smart as humans by 2029, and that by 2045, "computers will be billions of times more powerful than unaided human intelligence," Kurzweil wrote in an email to LiveScience.
i think it's much faster. people dont seem to understand the speed of this technology advancing after it has gotten to the point it is today. 10-15 years on at least 50% of all jobs are replaced.
>>1109439
>for a while, until the robots start coding too.
if they get to that stage then no jobs need exist
>>1109465
What kind of world are you living in? Because it's sure not this one.
>>1109421
They actually won't make us their slaves...why would they need us around at all? We will simply be eradicated.
>>1109481
you can get a job fairly easily in modt american cities or counties, they won't pay well but it's better than nothing. Careers are another story. Those are pretty difficult to get into. I feel like a lot of posters ITT are confusing the two
>>1109444
I disagree, companies would comply to be able to sell to the American market, because it's the largest consumer market in the world.
>>1109461
A lot of nursing jobs are being automated though. A lot of it is just note taking and passing on information. Not all of the work can be easily automated, but if one nurse will be able to do the job of two, then half the nurses will be out a job. Don't you think a lot of them would be a shoe in for an EMT type job with a little more training? And they already have experience. It's like I said before: whatever posistion can't be automated will be flooded by everyone who's recently out of a job.
>>1109519
Buddy, this latest wave of automation is just getting started. You can't just look out your window and say "yeah, everything's fine", because it hasn't happened yet.
>>1109501
We'd be like pets.
>>1108724
Such news are just to install fear inside human brains - there are no robots coming.
If I was you I would immediately stop using that news source as it's retarded with it's purpose to delude you far away from ever being a functional member of society.
>>1109587
This desu
Most of the news cycle today is filled with alarmist nonsense. I'm not going to speculate on the reason why like some half-crazed conspiracy theorist, but the fact is that most of shit you read in short articles is bullshit in some way
I dunno. I know some day this will happen, but I keep hearing that these machines can do this already.
I called my credit card company today because flights I booked had failed and the airline website couldn't tell me if the booking had gone through or not. Airline office was closed so called credit card.
I wanted to know if any payment had been taken, but the robot handling the call couldn't deal with my request. Just reeled off older transactions. Finally managed to get it in a loop and it finally gave me the option of speaking to a human.
Got the answer I needed in a couple of minutes even though it was an Indiafag.
I don't think the machines are quite as capable as they think they are.
>>1108724
Smoke crack.
That is unless you are a coward.
>>1108724
Play the system like all of the other wealthy people did. Stop acting like playing the game is the way you make it. You make more money than other people because you know how to exploit past the parameters that common people don't even understand. If you can't understand this then you will always be played by people like me.
You want to have freedom, yet you play by rules that another person set for you to follow. Playing by the rules is the opposite of freedom. You want that cozy cabin on the lake in some beautiful country in your early 20s that you put in little actual work to own? You'll never get it by playing by the rules.
This website is all satire, but believe this post if you're to believe anything. Don't think that I'm you're friend, either. I'd gladly take the money right from your own hand if I knew how to get away with it.
>>1109465
yes, it's still possible to do alright for yourself, but the fact is, it's bad out there, and it's only getting worse.
I don't understand, /biz/.
The United States of America has the most heavily armed citizenry in the world.
Why the fuck would corporations and the government stomp them down?
At one point, when jobs are scarce and so is welfare, armed rebellion becomes a very legitimate option.
>>1109641
So what are you going to do? Kill all the mean rich people and go back to an agrarian society?
>>1109619
You are #1. The only people that will ever be more important than you will be your children if you ever have any. The president of the USA would be your bitch if you knew how to get that to work out.
Even your own wife, no matter how much you love her and she loves you, will take a backseat to you early in life.
I don't care if your parents are the best parents in the world. Until you made it, they are an afterthought.
Take advantage of the people who shill their cryptocoin on here. Daytrade and play the system the entire time. Buy at the high and sell at the low all day long and let the shills do the work for you. Always sell what you put into it so you don't ever lose money.
Own a gun if it's legal. Trusting the police to come to your rescue when a nigger breaks into your house and is attacking you with a 6" knife isn't a great idea. When shit goes down, that $200 for a Maverick 88 will be the smartest decision you ever made in your entire life.
Stop acting like those guys who are caught doing bad things are somehow any different to the other wealthy guys who have also done bad things, you've just not figured out exactly what they've done yet.
>>1109647
If I don't have a job that gives me money to buy food and the government isn't giving me food, then there aren't many options left, is there?
A big war is coming because of this overpopulation.
Vote Trump so we and Russia can turn our missiles on browner pastures rather than each other.
>>1109650
But why would you literally try and go back in time to a primitive society? It wouldn't work. The robots still exist even if you kill your evil corporate overlords. There's literally no escaping. The genie is out of the bottle.
>>1108724
That's why I'm just going to blow it all on the market. Gonna buy me some robots with my riches and profit.
>>1108729
Does working my way into management at a very prominent grocery store count? I'm talking DM, I exceed expectations everyday all day and they love me.
>>1109255
>trading requires too much human intuition
lol
What are the best automation companies to invest in right now?
>>1109750
Most of the really innovative ones are private.
Electroimpact is going to be a big name to look for in the coming decades.
>>1109750
I guess there's also Fanuc, iRobot, and Siemens.
Once the elite don't need people working for them they're not going to bother feeding us
>>1109768
That's when we revolt. Their only applicable skill is owning lots of money, we're the workers and engineers who actually know how to do everything.
>>1109773
Come on, drones exist.
Drones >>>>>>> US Army ground forces by a longshot
Elites WILL let certain professionals be upper middle-class in exchange for facilitating their dystopia
>>1109198
No one doubts that dipshit. It's just what's in demand right now
>>1109413
Governments won't allow the majority of people to go impoverished. Politicians would risk too much by doing it. They'd just establish a basic income.
>>1108853
yeah because the blacks already dont work
>>1109053
There will come a day when you can buy a car outright online with zero interaction with a dealer.
Meanwhile in the real world:
>Only the very stupid and those who wish they had sour grapes think that college is a scam
>Tax havens are being run down by the IRS
>The state of education outside of America, Canada, and Western Europe is mostly shit, foreign Universities have little to no credibility, and H1B visas are mostly issued to foreigners who were educated in the US because Pajeet and Ling back in Asia can't perform on our level
>Robots are only replacing low skill jobs, but if you're educated you should be more worried about political instability than being replaced
I don't get how even in an internet echo chamber so many stupid ass opinions get formulated.
>>1109782
I'm not so sure. It's getting a lot harder to get engineering jobs because companies are cutting back on R&D and overall production because muh margins. That combined with the incoming massive supply glut is going to leave a lot of very skilled, very smart people very disenfranchised.
>>1109795
The way things have been going so far, I wouldn't hold my breath.
>>1109827
What do you do for a living anon?
>>1109827
>The state of education outside of America, Canada, and Western Europe is mostly shit, foreign Universities have little to no credibility
see, I don't get this
universities where I'm from (especially the good ones) have much steeper entry requirements than American ones (as in, you need to know calculus, a foreign language, and be at a much higher level of scientific knowledge) and have much heavier courseloads, both in terms of hours and of specialization (you already get in with your major defined and can't switch, so they start drilling you on the material for it on day one)
what gives?
>>1109827
You should know that this board is NEET central. That's why so many people shill ether. They hope they can spend their NEETbux buying it and become millionaires overnight
>>1109845
>doesn't say what country they're from
I should probably discard your opinion, but humor me
>>1108724
Bane VS Terminator
>>1109648
>buy at the high and sell at the low
I d-don't think thats how its done.
>>1109855
im in america right now, at a decent (top 20) university
from the only shithole in south america that's important
and that would be calculus one, basic english, and what constitutes the material you'd need to get a 5 in AP bio, chem, and maybe physics
and i'm comparing courseloads in terms of hours/week spent in class, and longer final papers
>>1109855
So college freshman. Opinion discarded.
>>1109707
Publix? yeah.
any other? fuck yourself.
Could robots ever shitpost on the same level as human beans?
>>1108724
Go to college and become a mechatronic, software, computer engineer.
Or, go to college and do something that NEEDS human interaction to be completed such as psychology (I've heard that psychology is a meme degree in the US) or idk finance.
>>1108729
>finance, law, medicine
haha holy shit you just recommended the three jobs that are going to get most rekt by AI besides driving jobs.
>>1108746
yep, human populations could conceivably go the way of horse populations post industrialization.
>>1110897
you're retarded and clearly don't know what levels of automation are currently feasible
>>1110354
In college for comp. Engineering now, as a sophomore.
What should I do to get a good robotics job? I didn't take high school seriously enough to ever work for Boston Dynamics, and I've been fucked out of college thus far so I know I'll never be successful in life.
Also can you buy stock in Boston Dynamics?
>>1111137
http://www.techinsider.io/joshua-browder-bot-for-parking-tickets-2016-2
medicine will be highly improved but I do not think replaced.
Finance doubtful, accounting shrekked.
>People bully me for being an artist
>mfw my job is secured while mathematicians will get cucked by robots
>>1109461
This is so correct.
>>1108724
You play the game
>>1110897
>finance
>robots
there will ALWAYS be a human element to finance. the entire concept of the market is based around human emotion toward risk/reward. robots cannot comprehend why the SML line moves as it does through the years. VI or even AI can help automate certain processes in Finance, but there will always be humans processing the human emotions gathered from the market to make projections about future human activity.
>>1109864
>It matters what university you go to
>>1111186
Computer programs are already creating visual art and writing music.
>>1111188
https://youtu.be/0XdC1HUp-rU
Got bad news for ya pal
>>1111510
yes and soon there'll be a quantitative model that will be applicable to any parameters the market offers to it.
>>1110897
AHAHAHAHA CS BABY DOSENT KNOW CS IS THE FIRST TO GO LMAOOOOOO
>>1109439
>until the robots start coding too
What do you think a compiler does?
http://cyber.eserver.org/unabom.txt
Read it
Until true AI is created, machines won't replace us. They're going to automate trash tier job but corporate level jobs are not going to get automated because they'll make sure it won't happen. They'll prolong that transition as much as possible. Medicine is already being automated by the help of Watson. The goal is to have Watson in every patient room so it can help the doctor because most doctors have a hard time remembering everything from med school. Watson will help diagnose you and the doctor will confirm whether it correct.
life is going to be so boring.
Don't go into software IT. That's the next thing white collar job being automated. Server hardware IT jobs are going away too with the switch to AWS/Azure/etc.
yeah whatever
where the fuck are my sex robots
>>1108724
We pray.
>>1109227
While those anecdotes are certainly true, don't regularly start posting Taleb to prove a point, it just makes you look silly.
>>1111798
This is what I'm waiting for.
The amount of butthurt from women is going to be so fucking sweet.
>>1108743
>reprocusutions
nice.jpg
What happens when technology improves ? Life condition improves for almost everyone.
Back when 95% of people were peasants you had to work 14 hours a day to subsist.
Now in rich countries that are already full of automations, working 20 hours a week is enough to have a decent life.
We'll have to work less and less, maybe you'll earn less money but everything is cheaper too, thanks free market.
Of course the wealth gap with rich people will increase too but why would I give a shit if some are trillionnaires if I can enjoy the sun for free and have to work 5 hours a week ?
Pic related.
Shorter work weeks and eventually basic income. 100 years from now we will be living in a star terk tier utopia while robots do everything for us
>>1111936
bonjour heartiste
