Are there still any oppurtunities out there for a young man without a college education to strike out on his own and make money doing hard work?
I know a few years ago I could be making six-figures in oil work, but that's a bust now. I've heard logging and crab fishing are some options but you need experience to get into that line of work
So /biz/ help out a young guy who doesn't want to live with his parents and won't be in University for at least 9 months.
Tree service, landscaping, construction laborer, trail builder, asphalt shoveler, snow shoveler. All kinds of shitty jobs out there anon.
>>1042339
Thanks, I'm inquiring about the types of jobs that are high paying though, due to high risk or whatever the other factors may be.
>>1042344
I think you're underestimating how well compensated construction work can be.
A union heavy/highway laborer makes $25-$35 per hour. If you're halfway motivated to learn how to operate equipment, you can make $30-$50 per hour.
These guys usually work 50-60 hour weeks during the summer. So they range from $1400 - $3500 per week.
You'll only work 30-40 weeks a year, but a lot of construction workers are making close to 6 figures.
I try, but competition must be high because I never get any interviews.
>a lot of construction workers are making close to 6 figures.
Only on /biz/ will you see such ridiculous horseshit.
>>1042353
You need to work one of the jobs in >>1042339
for a few years to prove you ain't a shithead kid who will slack off when things get hot and heavy.
The guys making the big bucks in labor also know a thing or 2 about surveying and blueprints which are usually foreman type responsibilities. It is something you will learn, but not in your first year swinging a shovel.
Semi-skilled manufacturing is another avenue. Where I work we have a guy who takes every single bit of OT he can get and uses it doing the jobs no one else wants to do. He makes close to 6 figures. 1000 hours of OT at top rate boosts your income considerably.
Move to Norway and start work at a fish processing plant and then get yourself onto a boat. Limitless work with great pay and great benefits. And you will get none of the "let's be an asshole to the new guy for years" shit either.
Flipside is of course that you'll be stuck on a boat in the North sea for weeks at a time doing back breaking labour in cold ass weather.
>>1042365
On /biz/ everyone and their mother makes six figures. A lot of the posters here too, it's nice that these successful people hang out on this site known for attracting successful normal people.
>>1042414
this is my new plan D. thanks anon.
Gay porn or working on an oil rig. The latter will be hard to find tho b/c the drop in gas prices.
>>1042337
As a general rule, the more dangerous the work, the higher the pay for manual labor
Texas is dying for skilled tradesmen. Move down to the Houston area and apply to be a helper. Pick your poison: Millwright/Pipefitter/Welder/Electrician/etc. It's a grind, but its constant work and you'll have a career for life. Most of the folks work 4/10s also with opportunities for plenty of OT.
Be forewarned that manual labor literally destroys your body. I did it for a few years when I got out of school, and while enjoyable, it's really not very safe and the repetitive movements, being out in the elements day after day, will breakdown your body prematurely.
>>1042514
>Millwright/Pipefitter/Welder/Electrician
How would someone go about finding this type of training? I want to start making a livable wage sooner than 4+ years from now.
>>1042546
Get a job as a helper with one of those skilled trade contractors. These are maintenance companies that all the plants hire to fix their shit. Go take a look at the unions out there. They can usually place you.
Once you prove to the Journeyman/Master tradesmen you're working for that you aren't a piece of human garbage and you'll actually work, they will take you in as an apprentice. From there its just a matter of OJT and hours on the job. You take some tests later on and the trade association bumps you to Journeyman. After years of that, you can become a master. You're looking at anywhere from 100k a year at that point. Starting as a helper you will probably only make 14-15/hr. The pay scales if you take hazardous or overseas jobs such as oil rigs.
I work in an automotive factory in the UK and am on track to earn £50k (72k USD) this tax year, a collegue will earn £80k (115k USD) with overtime. Does the automotive industry pay like this in the US?
>>1042555
If you can get in. The unions have virtually killed the industry in the states. The only thing that happens here these days is the piecing together of vehicles. Everything is made overseas.
>>1042337
Easter Europe awaits welders.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnKFU-bxumw
>>1042558
I can see that happening here. The money they pay for what we do/our skills is out of wack with the rest of the labour market.
>>1042365
If you're out in NJ, NY, PA etc. it's not unrealistuc at all. They call it rate work. My one friend is a equipment operator out there. He makes 25 to 70 dollars an hour depending on what their current contract is.
>>1042541
Depends. I think if you have an unhealthy lifestyle, it breaks you down. If you eat well, avoid alcohol and get enough sleep, it makes you stronger.
My dad owns a tree service. He's 57 years old and goes out and busts his ass climbing trees every day. He could kick my ass with his hands tied behind his back. My buddy I mentioned out east is the same age and is in the same kind of shape. Neither of them drink alcohol, maybe that's the key?
>>1042553
>14-15/hr
There are people here who own decent houses and cars on less than that. Is there any kind of directory for finding apprenticeships, or do I just need to google and call around?
>>1042591
Google is your friend. Go to job fairs out there. Look up the unions. You don't need experience. Keep in mind that location is the key here. You'll have to move down south or anywhere there are major chemical/oil plants if you wanna land these jobs.
You can be a delivery driver for UPS. I made right about 90k last year.
>>1042603
Do you need some kind of trucking apprenticeship first?
>>1042617
Just a Commercial Driver's License. Those guys are union, though. Don't you have to start in the warehouse first?
Look up mr money mostache's 50 jobs for 50k shit
>>1042624
True about the license, same thing you'd need to drive a big RV or limo. I think. It is union, depending on where in the country you are though you can get a driver job in under 2 years. When I started, (2007) it was like an 8 year long waiting list. We've got a couple guys full time driving after just a year.
Work in a refinery, so probably skewed towards the higher end of wages, but you can make money in the petrochemicals industries. There are many ways:
1. Be an operator - this is a guy who runs the plant, aka turns valves, adjust things, responds to processing issues. You work ahift work and can get overtime easily. Move up to supervisor work. Most earn at least $100k/yr. Some earn over $200k/yr, that is rare. You will have to work shift work. These positions sometimes requires 2 yr operator school before applying. Some don't.
Industrial electrician - you are working around high voltage equipment troubleshooting and repairing it. You do have to know what you are doing and be smart. Not many people can do this work, so pay can be in the lower $100s. Industrial is much higher paid than commercial or residential, but the risks are greater.
Mechanic - same above but easier. You'll have to work as contactor but they'll higher you if you are good. Same pay.
Boilermaker - same as abover but working on piping and paid less. More common and easier.
>>1042414
I'm totally willing to do this. What type of pay are we talking about? Any tips on really actualizing this?
>>1042352
any high paying labor job is going to be competitive as fuck to get because everyone too dumb to go to college will be applying for it.
>>1042584
i have a friend who works penndot as a highway maintenance manual labor slave and he makes like $15/hour. you have no idea what youre talking about.
>>1042417
It's not like it's difficult to make six figures. It's really not that much income.
>>1042555
Probably. I'm an engineer, and everywhere that I've worked it's not too rare for production workers to make that kind of money with overtime.
>>1042669
>95th percentile income
>not difficult
shut the fuck up, 18 year old shitposter
>>1042674
Hey now... he could be an illustrator for the Wall Street Journal (pic related).
>>1042674
>tfw 95k at 24
>tfw I am the 1% in my age group
Actually doesn't feel that good. After getting raped on taxes and paying my rent I can only save like 3k per month.
>>1042661
That's not rate work.
It's generally accepted that the "new" high school diploma is a bachelors degree and the new bachelors degree is a masters. Education has become too obese.
There are lots of loopholes in this system though, learning a skilled trade like electrical work or welding costs a fraction of what university does and the pay is far more lucrative than a 4 year degree.
The added bonus here is that you can go to pretty much anywhere in the world and find a decent paying job that secures you the economic freedom that most people go to college hoping to acquire.
>>1042417
>yfw I actually make 6 figures, but I like to offer the NEETs of /biz/ advice.
>>1042558
Maybe in Michigan. I have worked automotive in the south and most of our parts have come from the US or they are working on localizing them in the US. The electronics were pretty much all from Korea though.
>>1042337
There's tons of it.
Start walking up to contruction sites and ask if you can work for them.
You'll be making $14+ in hour in no time.
>>1042365
You're talking out your ass. Elevator Constructor here. Mechanics make 50/hr and overtime == double time. This is a 6 day a week industry, so you do the math. (I fully understand that 6 figures isn't that impressive when you pay 1/3ish in income taxes, but you can lead a very comfortable life in the trades if you aren't a dumbass with your money).
To OP, the trades are no joke and you better not be a pussy if you're thinking about joining. Look into apprenticeships in your area. Elevator Constructor, Iron Worker, Operators, Pipe Fitters, Plumbers. In that order.
Pro tip: the easiest way into the trades is to join the railroad and get some tool experience first. I left the railroad for the trades, because the railroad is god damn soul crushing work. But, it's fairly easy to get into. Signalman, and track laborer if you want railroad jobs.
You fuckers need to learn how to hustle. You can drive a concrete truck, drive a dump truck, become a fireman/build fences on the side... there's a million things you can do to stack cash being blue collar.
I'm 30, a little older than most here. The common denominator from my core group of friends and family members is this: we're all blue collar hustlers. You'll find us working pretty much every Saturday doing SOMETHING to earn money.
I'm not knocking college, but there's money to be made in this great country if you want to get dirty and turn some wrenches. Because the average "man" is a fucking pussy.
Good luck
Getting a CDL wouldn't be a bad idea to get your foot in the door. It is a requirement for some jobs where you don't even drive that much but might have to move some equipment here and there.
Railroads are pretty good to get into if you want to make money and have no life.
>>1042748
whats so bad about working on the railroad?
>>1042748
you sound like a cool guy.
where do you live? not that i'm looking for blue collar work but just going out and finding a concrete truck to drive doesn't seem super plausible in my area, heard there's lots of competition for truck driving and would think all these trades have tons of union red tape bullshit.
>>1042748
OP here thanks man, I'll definitely look into railroad work and apprenticeships
>>1042748
Who do you work for? I'm an elevator engineer, and I deal with fucktard mechanics on a daily basis who can't read a measuring tape.
>>1042689
>I can only save like 3k per month
How does it feel to be able to save?
>>1042337
no-mexicans
CONSTRUCTION TRADES:
BADASS TIER-
>concrete, excavation, drywall, masonry, steel, demo
MUH SPECIALTY TIER-
>fire-alarms, sprinklers, glass
BITCHASSHOE TIER-
>electric, plumbing, pipefitter
seriously tho if ur smart pick anything in badass tier and you can work your way up to estimating and project management
Their is huge demand for educated english speakers in those trades since they're all high profit but full of amigos who cant do the office work
Union bitchasshoe trades suck. They give you the six monthes on inflated wages while you're an apprentice then lay you off when you become a journeyman to save dough.
Unions are becoming obsolete
>>1043529
forgot elevator dudes are literally the worst
Their work is the easiest but they act like they're genius's while standing around jerking off for 7 hrs a day.
They basically have a monopoly so they can take all the time they want.
Fuck those guys.
>>1042865
This guy knows what's up.
I bet that dude is an Otis scrub.
Is there any physical labor an unattractive girl can do?
Like i said im not pretty so i can't suck dicks or camwhore or else i would.
>>1042658
I've heard sums of about 15 k $ per trip, a trip is usually 5 weeks. If the catch is poor it can go down to around 10 k. If the Norwegian crown returns to usual strength you can add 20% to those numbers.
Combine that with onshore work in the processindustri plants you could probably make 100 k in a year but it would be hard no doubt.
Then there is crabfishing in Norway just as in America where the pay is much higher but glhf to get on one of those boats.
>>1042337
My grandpa makes big bucks working as a longshoreman in Seattle. It's tough to get in and it's unionized but it is very possible. Many port cities have longshoreman opportunities.San Francisco is another option. He has moved up to crane operator and makes about $50 an hour or more. He often goes on vacations overseas and in his RV, has nice guns and other toys. Very comfortable financial life. The hours are odd and you might have to work graveyard shifts. Starting wages for 'casuals' in the union make upwards of about $20 starting out. It's relatively good money but considering it's in Seattle it is kind of not that amazing. But as you can see there is A LOT of room to move up.
>>1043588
You can always suck dicks. You just have to suck a bit more and bit better than the pretty girl. You can do it!
>>1043588
Learn to walk on stilts and finish drywall.
>>1042365
Depends where you work. Construction average in alberta is 100k annual. Google it.
>>1042352
>, but a lot of construction workers are making close to 6 figures.
most Line cooks also rake in 6 figures.
>>1042337
No, not really. For a while, for sure, but you'll get injured eventually and won't be able to do the work anymore.
>>1043776
Not really thinking about making it a long-term career
>>1043759
OOO I hope you do look into it. It's very rewarding.
>>1042555
shit what do you do ?
assembly line, maintenance mechanic engineer
>>1042344
Oil rig worker, fisherman, lumberjack, miner... pick a dangerous job, guaranteed it's well paid.
>>1042337
Come to Alaska swing a hammer dig whatever it takes make loads of money go find goldstream tradeing get me to trade forex for you be a millionAire in 2 years ;)
>>1044380
OP should have a job waiting for him in Alaska before he goes to Alaska.
>>1044444
Nice quints btw. Try broadening your search in AK. I worked there last summer. Lots of work to be had, just keep looking and you'll find a number of things. Don't give up!
>>1042661
Working for the state is not the same thing as being a union laborer. Those guys working for the DOT get paid a lot less. They also work about 15% as hard.
>>1043588
Be an equipment operator. Federally funded projects require a certain percentage of the workforce be female, so even if apprenticeships are hard to get in your area, having a vagina will bump you to the front of the line.
Being an operator isn't as physically demanding as being a laborer or mason, and it pays better.
