humanities?
This is obviously about philosophy
Humanities includes history. This is not under barrage by STEMlords

>>695149765
Very simple

>Trump becomes President
>Liberals go maximum butthurt and flee to Canada
>Less welfare burden, less diversity, more social cohesion, more tax dollars that can be spent of better things
>Canada becomes a horrible socialist wasteland
>???
>BUILD ANOTHER WALL

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>>695149765
To be honest, I regret not going STEM. But then again, I didn't know what STEM was until my senior year in Uni, which I'm currently still in. 1 Semester away from finishing, and I'm seriously regretting not being smart enough for Comp Sci, Engineering, or even Astronomy. What's even worse, is that I have a real interest in these things now that I know they exist.

Help me, /b/.

>>695149765
You meme philosophy? We don't. It's an outdated "science". Might as well save Alchemy while we are at it.

>>695150582

stfu SJW faggot

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>>695150581
Epic pic.

Added to my arsenal to barrage STEMfags.

>cultural anthropology major reporting

>>695149765
Why is that little homo bill nye in the same page as truly significant men of science?

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>>695151450
How do you sleep at night, knowing life will be more difficult with such a degree? I'm a Political Science major, and I regret every minute of it. But, it's too late for me to change majors now, as doing so would not only put me back ~3 years, but I'd have to do a SAP appeal every semester to get access to financial aid.

We don't need that fags..
We need more Jesus, Mother Teresa, Ghandi, Rip Hamilton, Mandela, Luther King

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>>695150582
>We should remove deeper thinking because it's outdated
Do you consider yourself a professional atheist?
Or are you one of those guys who are above-average in intelligence with little or nothing to show for it?

>>695151450
You assume that scientists that study really important things like physics cannot comprehend your entire program in an afternoon.

>>695151948
>important things
>like physics
I have more respect for the guys finding better ways for us to live our lives, grow food better and more efficiently and accomplish our tasks better, not some nerdy faggot who make calculations about stars who light is so old their planet may have been taken over and destroyed by Space Jews 10,000 years ago and we wouldn't know it.

And you wouldn't know if they were full of shit or not.

>>695152380
Enjoy your career at pizza hut

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>>695151548
>implying neil "smokin de grassi" tyson is a first rate scientist

>>695152793
Sure I'll give you that one. They should both gtfo

>>695152743
A guy at Pizza Hut has done more for you and me than Stephan Hawking ever did for anybody anywhere.

>>695153055
Shit bait, faggot

>>695153055
You really are dense aren't you. Without physics you would not be having this discussion on an electronic device over the internet. You owe everything that makes up the technolgy you use every day to physics. Maybe you're pizza hut management material but that's about it.

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Anti-STEM meme thread?

>>695153407
Objectively true. What has Stephen Hawking done that's had any practical application? Name one thing.

>>695153697
Yes

>>695153770
It's only because you are too retarded to see the big picture. Understanding the universe and fundamental forces leads to discoveries that change mankind. This has to be bait right? Nobody is this stupid.

friendly suggestion, everyone should go to a philosophy lecture at least once, theyre really cool

>>695154178
Agreed

>>695153567
So Stephan Hawking invented the computer? Because I thought other people worked on those. And besides, people existed without computers for millenia, just because you can't imagine a world without shit like 4chan for people like you and me to waste our time on doesn't mean physics has been more important than growing better, healthier food and developing better healthcare, parts of science that actually does shit for people.

You don't sound like you're science material either, guess you're going to have to get a real job now like everybody else who isn't a waste.

>>695154062
>bigger picture
Because looking at million year old lights from ancient stars and making calculated guesses at them is more important than any other field of science. Please tell me how those stars and planets we will never ever reach are more important than learning about OUR OWN PLANET.

>>695154062
So there isn't anything.

>>695149765
Saving the humanities is simple.

Just convince everyone that being poor is great and communism provides everything you'll ever need.

>>695149765
Chaos theory might help with humanities

>>695151450
>cultural anthropology major
it's shitheads like you that run up taxes with worthless government jobs and then complain that you don't make enough. I took a cultural anthropology class for gen eds and it was the most asinine drivel I've ever had the misfortune to sit through. It was like tumblr university. The fact that people like you have the audacity to even continue existing is beyond my comprehension

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>>695153946
My pleasure!

>>695154365
Just because you don't get it doesn't mean it's bullshit. It's the sum total of man's effort over time that leads to practicality. A discovery today may be meaningless until it's usefulness becomes apparent only years or decades later, does that make the pursuit of that initial discovery useless? Of course not. Don't worry anon, all you'll need to know is how to count the tills and take z readings and close up the restaurant and make sure there is enough dough for tomorrow's pizzas. Leave the really hard stuff to others so you don't hurt that little melon of yours.

guys, all fields of study are important in their own way tho

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>>695154833
Stay butt hurt codemonkey. Don't you have some autistic robot language you should be memorizing

>>695155455
Even pizza hut management school

>>695151743
I was a political science major.

Biggest mistake I ever made.

Once I realized it was completely useless, I stopped going to class and taught myself how to code and design.

I'm very successful now, and it's thanks to those self-taught skills.

BTW, I'm 35 years old and NO ONE has ever asked to see my resume.

Employers only care about results.

As a hiring manager, I have no use for humanities majors. If I do hire one, it's because I need an assistant and I start them off at $16/hr to see if they are actually capable of creating any measurable results.

>>695154555

Thats not humanities, thats feminism you dumbfuck.

>>695155455
>says the stoner dropout Bernie boi YouTube documentary scholar

>>695155604
>>695151450
These have to be jokes... right?

>>695155455
>women's studies
>anthropology
>foreign language degrees (just move there, faggot)
>any racial studies
>elementary education (hurr durr I need four years to learn to teach the alphabet)
>sociology
>psychology unless you intend to get a phd
>sports business
>interior design
all worthless things to study in college

>>695155618
Didn't you see the European cut of Demolition Man? In the future all restaurants are Pizza Hut.

Look guys, this is getting way out of hand.

You are discussing shit that doesn't concern you nor affects you directly.

What is the importance of science or humanities as a whole? Why are we here if there is no God?

You see, science got us way beyond where we needed to be as a society. The perfect example of this whole mess is the Atomic Bomb. Everybody had always knew how to make one, the process to make it reality was the real problem to be solved.

We were at war and killing each other mercilessly. Without going into much details and please avoid replying with idiocy, USA wasn' the first to succeed in making the bomb, but were the first in having the guts to use it.

After flooring Japan's cities, everyone around the globe got a pretty cruel message for the first time. 'Science went too far', and our eventual demise by the hands of the most beloved tool we ever relied on was the only possible outcome if we didn't put a halt to all of it.

You see, because of humanities Russia refuses going to war and USA has no desire in being the starter of WW3. We've come so far with science that it's 99% sure the next great war will be the last.

I don't care what you feel about life and the society as a whole, but ending it like that is not the best way to go off.

>>695155831
jeez, im a chemical engineer man

>>695155855
they wouldnt be fields if they werent important tho

>>695155604
>2016 and still using ti-85
gtfo high school faggot

>>695155807
>women's studies degree
>humanities department and counts for humanities/social science requirement
>feminism came from humanist ideas

>>695155807
I'm pretty sure that women's studies if feminism.

Political science is like, i dunno, studying a lot of old philiosophy, laws, ethics and learning how governments work.

Oh wait fuck nevermind, that's totally feminism my bad.

fucking moron.

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>>695149765
full vid - pass:123chndoe
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>>695155855
Physcology is great bitch. Gettin payed crazy money to listen to people bitch about nonsense. We do that for free vry day on facebook.

>>695156177

>Implying Feminism didnt take over the original humanities
>Implying Colleges dont teach feminist brainwashee humanities

boy you sure are stupid

>>695156135
the only reason they're fields is to milk more tuition money from students who are in college and have no clue what they want to do for a living or are too lazy to challenge themselves. There are good degrees outside of stem but there are even more worthless ones

ITT, 14 year olds don't know what philosophy is, and was, and the difference.
Once philosophy was the analysis and study of things not physical. Conversations about ethics and human nature. Once upon a time, science and philosophy was it.
Now, science is broken down into a million different sub-sects, and so is philosophy. In essence, Psych, politics, sociology, are all philosophy. NOW, when people talk about philosophy they're talking about assholes sitting around sniffing their own farts asking each other why they're even talking to each at all, then sniffing their own farts some more.
Philosophy isn't dead, it's been refined into more useful focuses.
Anyone who declares themselves as a philosopher now adays is likely a charleton, an idiot who analyses benign things to impress the layman and actually contributing nothing.

>>695156047
Don't blame that on science, that was the US military. Nobody actually thought they would really use it, it was more about sabre rattling. But those fuckers dropped them anyway.

>>695156376
If you get a phd. Bachelor's in psych has the highest unemployment, or at least it did a few years ago

>>695156261

>Politcal science is humanities

Holy fuck youre just as dumb as the other anon

>>695156447
fair enough

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>>695156439
If feminists took over it it must have been easy enough for them to get through en mass. I'd like to see them take over physics or engineering

>>695155849
Yeah they're for dumb people to feel better about themselves.

>>695155240
>Just because you don't get it doesn't mean it's bullshit.
And just because you don't understand there is more to life than making calculations about shit millions of miles away doesn't make it useful to anyone.

>weak ad hominims and strawmen arguments
You sound like your feelings are hurt, and you STILL can't explain any of the good staring into a telescope at dots of light so old that if you could see earth from there, you would see Dinosaurs. Who really cares if a planet that *MAY OR MAY NOT* sustain human life is 1.1 or 1.2 billion miles away, you're never ever going to reach it.

And you can't give me a legit answer why -THEORETICAL- (aka not a proven fact and possibly incorrect) physics and astral-science is more important than science that helps us to grow food and find better ways to living, like those computers you mentioned, but we invented them by working on better information technology, not by staring into telescopes.

But again, it looks like the only thing you have to go on is educated guessing at things that don't matter and making weak strawmen arguments at anyone who disagrees. Let's see you do it yourself when your toilet backs up and you need to call a "stupid" plumber. Or hey, go fix that broken bone on your own, don't let a silly EMT who doesn't know how far away STAR SYSTEM 547 is.

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>>695149765
>mfw when all the people on the left are german and all the people on the right are 'murricans.

Wrong side lost WW1 is all I'm saying

>>695156677
ok i guess, thanks for taking the time to type out your own thoughts and not someone else's

>>695157095
Bohr was Danish but I do agree with you

>>695154365
>So Stephan Hawking invented the computer
Yeah, he didn't

>>695157039
>you're never ever going to reach it
Our descendants might. If people get their heads out their assholes and realize the great mistake making conflicts between outselves is.

>>695156701

Thats the point, due to fucking feminism anything that is art is something that cant be fucking "explained" because its just fucking art yet hobbies such as Music or Threatre actually required some sort of intelligence and mathematics. Anyone who says Art is just Art is a fucking moron. No feminist brainwashed subjects will ever produce some of the finest pieces of William Shakespere or hell, fucking quote Hamlet and your professor thinks youre a goddamn genius. Even The Bible is one of the finest writings in human history and a fine exampe of the humanities. Feminists can only dream to produce such work.

Any more STEM memes?

>>695157039
I'm not the anon you're arguing with but here's my 2 cents:
Theoretical science is important because it's the applied science science of the future. Math is a classic example, calculus was purely theoretical when Newton and Leibniz proposed it but a few centuries later we use it for everything from computers to modeling fluid dynamics and quantitative biochemistry which does help us grow better food. Just because it's not immediately useful doesn't mean people won't need to know it someday. Society improves when old men plant trees whose shade they will never sit in

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>>695149765
>How do we save the humanities /b/?

Destroy the universities. Decentralize scholarship and support independent communities of inquiry. Careerism, behind-the-scenes government and business involvement in universities, and inducing competition for an ever-decreasing number of prestigious positions through the academic equivalent of click-bait has done incalculable harm to the humanities. Just get rid of the corrupted universities and return to the Baconian vision of scholarship.

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>>695153055
da fuck you just say?

>>695157702
Read Derrida

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>>695156376
It's the MSWs who do that nowadays psychoanalysis isn't what it used to be

>>695157039
So basically you're attacking cosmologists and astronomers? I think you don't have any grasp of the scope of the natural sciences. Certainly that EMT will not be able to do shit without the full historical weight of the natural science that came before his practical training. You realize we write things down so the next generation can pick up where the previous one left of right? Or do you think that something is important only if it takes less than one lifetime to figure out? Damn this is a waste of time isn't it. It's like arguing with a 5 year old.

>>695158145
>>695158455
samefag

>>695158145
Newton: we stand on the shoulders of men that came before us

>>695157575
That was my point, anon ...

>>695157645
>billions of lightyears away
>reachable
Now see, why do you say these things when you know that it's not possible?

>inb4 Wormholes
There's no guarantee one can even form in the REAL, PHYSICAL WORLD. Other than that, there is simply no way to move to somewhere else millions of LIGHTYEARS away

And there won't BE any people to send to another world if we die of starvation, greed and poor management. How about you focus on THIS planet before you go trying to ruin one a nearly incomprehensible distance away that, again, due to the distance, might not even exist at this point because of some anomaly or something that happened so long ago but we won't know it happened for another 400,000 years?

>>695157702
Now see? This is someone logical, not immediately reverting to insults the moment something is questioned. The anon above you could learn something from you.

>>695158700
Not

Question to the butthurt faggots; Why so butthurt with Dicking and the "Useless" sciences?

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm engineer and all that jazz, but I don't go around bashing my head with the floor because I can't see the value of "Liberal" Arts. Like, normal art wasn' enough for everyone or something.

Without psychis explanations on some things the previous engineers wouldn't had been able to make all they did. And without the questioning of reason we would be firing nukes at each other since decades ago.

>>695158988
Summertime

>>695158988
>guy starts thread saying humanities is better
>engineers say no humanities is useless
>z0mg why so butthurt with le useless meme engineers?

>>695158145
boom

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>>695158826
>not immediately reverting to insults
I'm very insulted so you are wrong.

>>695158988
Waste of perfectly good dubs. For shame

>>695158251
Not completely agaisnt that.

But the main problem with that wasn't that some assholes made fraud with stolen names and constantly flee after fucking shit up because they couldn't design for shit?

>>695158700
no, there are people in this thread that aren't idiots.

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>>695159574
Anon, have you been smoking drugs?

>>695158826
you have to be dense to think that traveling billions of light years is impossible.

>>695159776
This

>>695149765

The humanities, or those who represent them and take it upon themselves to continue them, shat on themselves so much that no one can take them seriously.

All philosophical and literary thinking ends in some obtuse, tautological spiral which does absolutely jack shit for anyone or anything, even the people perpetrating it. Some of them commit suicide, some of them drop it all and get jobs and lead normal lives, some of them realize they have bills to pay so they become authors and teachers and spread their disease for a dollar.

>>695155455
That's not to say that certain fields are objectively better than others. Engineering has given us the technology that we enjoy every day. Physics and Astronomy yield insights into the nature of the universe. Medicine keeps people fucking breathing.

The liberal arts don't give us more food, better tech, or longer lives. I would argue that, at best, they fill the space between the hard sciences, and without them, life would be less worth living. At worst, however, you have the circlejerk that is women's studies, you have the MBA, and you have the inflation of college degrees to the point that not having one will doom a person to mediocre jobs for the rest of their lives.

>>695158826
Took it personal? Because we're discussing some bullshit matter in a cespool on the internet that will eventually cease to exist?

Either way, you hit the nail straight in the head on that one. Conflict is part of our nature, so much as peace and love.

We could leave niggers to starve to death in Africa, we could nuke the cespool in the middle of the shithole that is middle east, we could make so many horrible things to each other. Yet, at the same time, we can make glorious and wondergful things for which are needed both science and humanities.

>>695159379
And what are you doing with all this brilliant knowledge that poor scum like me cannot understand? Oh, that;'s right, you're posting on 4chan. :^)

You still can't tell me what Stephan Hawking and Neil Degrasse Tyson have done for our lives, except "maybe looking at ancient star light will one day be super important", which is highly reminiscent of "God works in mysterious ways".

And if you want cheap insults to be thrown around, Maybe one day you'll find a woman who thinks self-absorbed science nerds are attractive, too.

>>695159267
OP here. I never said humanities were better (I would never use such an empty phrase). I'm tired of STEM "scholars" interjecting into and deeming useless fields in which they have no authority. Science simply lacks the breadth to answer the questions the humanities asks. That's not to say science does t have it's place.

>>695155604
>>695153697
>>695151450

>>gets a shitty arts education.
>>first instinct is to make arts to laugh at people with more valuable science educations.
>>Posts arts on the marvel of science and engineering that is the internet.

>>695160208
>All philosophical and literary thinking ends in some obtuse, tautological spiral which does absolutely jack shit for anyone or anything, even the people perpetrating it.

No, that's not the problem - it's not inherent in these fields of inquiry. The problem is that to have a CAREER as a humanities scholar you have to constantly publish the trendiest crap possible. The deplorable state of the humanities is caused by trying to convert the university into a knowledge factory. It just doesn't work well that way.

>The liberal arts don't give us more food, better tech, or longer lives.

And this thinking is exactly why the university has devolved into a corporatized, least publishable unit factory. It seems that in your conception of society, anything that does not fulfill our most basic, material needs is of dubious value at best. But it is the process of inquiry into the human condition that allows us to conceive of a world that is more than just mindless consuming and breeding. You argue against the need for the very thing that our society lacks most sorely.

>>695161367
>>695160267
meant to link second quote here

>>695160208
Then, why do we need english and many other languages?

Why use punctuations, stupid signals and made up rules about expressing myself if all of it is worthless?

>>695160267
Another straight to the head... I do wonder myself if the degrees inflation was due to teachers being niggers and asking for more handouts or if it's because the whole schoolar system might be another jew scheme.

>>695149765
well, they are minor scientist, we still got hawking

>>695156481
interesting. So you think philosophy has been distributed into the social sciences (for lack of a better term)?

What about metaphysics? I always considered this to be the only 'field of philosophy' worth the auspicious title, having never been able to fit it in with any of the other pursuits, but everything I do in the social sphere tends to bring me back to the study of metaphysics

>>695152793
He invented black holes you dumbass

>>695160267
Arguing that the point of human existence is comfort, hedonism, and survival.

A bleak world indeed, necessary though it seems.

>>695161367
The things our society lacks are moral fiber and discipline. That is to be found in churches of any non-degenerate religion or in the home of good parents. No amount of expensive classes from professor shekelfart will provide that which can only be found from God and developed through a constant struggle for personal growth

>>695160594
The point is that technology eventually catches up to high concept pure science. When Copernicus said that the sun is the center of the solar system, nobody dreamed that we would one day build machines that would reach the other planets. When Bohr confirmed the existence of the atomic nucleus, humanity had no idea the implications this would have on the course of human history.

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>>695159949
Then please educate me how to travel fast than the speed of light or form a stable wormhole that won't kill you if you go into it or randomly teleport you.

>>695160502
But again, how can we possibly work on trying to go to other plants when we can't even manage our own? If you can't take care of one child, having another is stupid.

Let's first work on getting even a simple colony set up. We can even support a colony on the moon, but we want to try and put a colony on mars? Or work on DEEP deep space colonization? How about a colony on earth that doesn't break down into complete social/societal madness?

We won't have to worry about trying to reach another planet if we enter into a second Dark Age. Again, there's a ton of scientists who are doing incredible things! Robotic eyes, advanced prosthetics, better ways to grow food, better ways to live OUR LIVES here, right now, so that our descendants can focus on shit like that.

And hey, there isn't anything wrong with hypothetical mathematics and theories, but it's not the great, important branch of science the people IN that branch will tell you.

>>695160594
>You still can't tell me what [these fucks] have done for our lives
Well, I can't tell whe you have done for the starving niggers in Africa, or in your own country. I can't even tell what is so good having electricity at homes for eveyone when there is people that live well off with candle lights.

But then again, existence has many question.

>>695150219
You didn't answer, or even understand the op's question.
All you did was posted some trumpler fantasy.

Idiot.

>>695158398
implying Derrida isn't art.
misunderstanding the concept of presence/differance. That which gives art/critique meaning is not the artists statement on objects of work, but the relationship formed between the artist and the world that generates both.

>>695160879
>the questions the humanities asks
Care to elaborate?

Why are we here? Why do we need to eat living things to remain alive? Why plants aren't considered living things despite science proving they have a energy flow of their own? Why so butthurt with faggots? Why can't you tell them to fuck off in real life?

>>695161947
>The things our society lacks are moral fiber and discipline. That is to be found in churches of any non-degenerate religion or in the home of good parents.

The fascism that always evolves when resentment at lost social position is added to a fanatical mix of nationalism and traditionalism is the pinnacle of anti-intellectualism. You are obviously a symptom of our society's failure to provide a humanizing education to an entire generation.

And please don't bother playing dumb with me. The simplistic, mythology-based jargon your kind uses is immediately recognizable to everyone.

>>695162745
Why is there something rather than nothing?

Has science been able to answer this? Did not think so.

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>>695162745
Lmao plants are considered living things fagtron

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>>695161536
>metaphysics
Nigga what?

>>695149765
as usual, this thread descends into hyperbole, with both camps retreating further into self-righteous idignation

>>695163292
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_ontology

k

>>695163296
>imposing your binary classification scheme on op's thread
May consider checking your privilege once in a while anon

>>695163666
kek

>>695163666
Oh you

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>>695163296
as usual, the guy who loves the smell of his own farts shows up to remind everyone that their petty disagreements are beneath him

>>695161920
Would you rather people spend their time trying to make life easier and longer, or would you rather debate how many angels can fit on the head of a pin in a mud hut?

>>695161367
Hard science can answer real questions about real problems, and can inform us as to how best to live our lives, especially medicine. Having a liberal arts degree doesn't give you a monopoly on the "human condition."

Anyhow, the (I'm taking about America's here) university system has plenty wrong with it, but the push to publish is just as strong in the hard sciences.

>>695162105
On the first subject, there is a reason why people try to become inmortal by becoming robots of sorts. As far as I'm aware, science wants to reach inmortality so they could travel through space without dying for the sake of traveling.

And on the schoolar thing. I'm getting quite bemused myself.

I mean, we are discussing pointless shit here to our hearts content. We can share our knowledge to people if they asked, which I try to do often, and we can even speak out our opinions with the eventual backlash that might take. Since you know, that's the other part of having free speech.

But I don't get why you should be linched or threated like shitstain because you give classess for free? The greeks used to do it from time to time, some asians also had places for learning where you only had to colaborate with your knowledge.

By myself, I can only say one thing, fuck judem!

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>>695162091
Yes, but people put way to much glamor on it. There are much more important discoveries being made in non-physics and especially practical sciences that will get us to the point the cosmophiles believe we will be at in one point.

>>695162225
Aww, now see? Why can't you be like the anon above? You really must be of of those autistic geniuses, you seem to have all knowledge, but all you can do is scream at me and avoid my questions. I'm not going to even comment on the candle analogy because it was just so completely far and away from what I've been trying to get through to you, but that's because you can't understand a difference between practical and theoretical sciences

What have YOU done for Africa either? What have you done for your country either? What have you done for anybody at all? Don't answer by asking me a question, go ahead and actually give me an answer, I asked you first, and then I will answer yours.

You can go ahead and keep staring at ancient star lights and making guesses that, in 2,000 years, could be found to be completely wrong, as it's all *theoretical*. Thankfully there will be other scientists and inventors who will be doing something practical with the research they are doing that will actually get us to where people like you want to be in.

Maybe one day something will come of all the time and government grant money you get for spending your life in front of a chalkboard. But again, you're obviously the smartest guy here, but that's just your word, and certainly not an example set by your posts. :^)

Now, my guess is you'll either do a short post that doesn't address anything and come up with more lame insults to make yourself feel like some kind of genius or you'll pick at one bit, completely misrepresent my point, and then make an excuse to leave. Can you do something better than that?

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>>695163431
Stopped reading after basic principles

>>695161947
We don't need inflexible idelogies or moral absolutes, what we need are solid ethics. People need to be able to understand for themselves the impact of their actions and to decide in context whether something is wrong or right.

As a great visionary once said, a man chooses, a slave obeys.

>>695164376
>Hard science can answer real questions about real problems, and can inform us as to how best to live our lives, especially medicine.
>can inform us as to how best to live our lives

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is–ought_problem

>the push to publish is just as strong in the hard sciences.

Of course, but the empirical basis of these modes of inquiry prevents them from going too off the rails in response to hyper-competitiveness. Still, there have been major incidents involving data falsification, and there are some indications that it's getting worse.

>>695162417
I don't care if you throw me shit on this, but there was this anon discussing something on this topics at /pol/ and given the international perception on the election as off now, Russia has some "concern" so as to not call it fear that if Clinton wins she will push for a war.

There has already being stated in the thread, thanks to science if there is another war it will be our last one.

>>695164376
I would rather run my own business and give 0 fucks about thinking about what people should or should not do.

The point is, you are telling people that they should be "useful" to society by shaming them for pursuing something that you deem non-useful. You are literally against people having self-determination by imposing the moral order of STEM vs non.

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>>695149765
well i dont think there's anyone who would argue that the quality of the minds on the right side of the picture is greater than the quality of the minds on the left side of the picture.

>>695164217
well I was born
I came here
and I intend to leave
when I feel like it

>>695162957
Has philosophy been able to?

At least the hard sciences have come to a consensus and have a plausible theory that makes sense with what we know about the universe. The humanities are still trying to figure out whether there actually IS anything, or whether they're tied up in a cave with a lantern in it, or whether we can even know anything at all.

>>695162854
lol get rekt

>>695164737

well a dictionary could help you sort out those words and then you could probably keep reading.

>>695165613
Comprehension isn't the problem you pompous faggot. It's that the entire movement is new age philosophical nonsense

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>>695165307
What a successful civilization of radical individualists we have created.

>>695149765
Brainlet identified

>>695164376
>Would you rather people spend their time trying to make life easier and longer
Serious question, don't put sarcams on it; Aren't there scientists working on that already?

It's actually thrilling to say the least because, personally, I might live to see the first human android or a real AI.

Now, about the "Liberal" Arts... I don't even know where to start. I have yet to meet someone that call himself Liberal that can accept there's people with different feelings and opinions than them.

Why putting such and idiotic tendency into a defree is beyond my understanding. Doesn't seem a good bussiness either since they are the first asking for handouts.

>>695164606
I think you've missed my point a little bit. We need far out pure science to inform applied science and to expand its horizons and capabilities. I'm all about technology, but engineering is nothing without its toolbox of principles and concepts.

Good science takes time to mature into useful technology.

>>695164376

Oh, hey, look - straight from the headlines. Careerism and grant-chasing is starting to destroy the hard sciences and medicine just as it's already destroyed the humanities.

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(15)60696-1/fulltext

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/14/12016710/science-challeges-research-funding-peer-review-process

Maybe if the capitalism-as-natural-law crowd had a little more humanistic inquiry to give them some measure of self-awareness our society might not be careening towards an obvious catastrophe.

>>695165891
howd you learn anything at all if you get 2 paragraphs into something and then make up your mind that you were right all along

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>>695164482
>On the first subject, there is a reason why people try to become inmortal by becoming robots of sorts. As far as I'm aware, science wants to reach inmortality so they could travel through space without dying for the sake of traveling.
Yes, one method was cryogenics, though I think it's funny that people were getting it done even though there has been no way discovered on how to revive them, or if there ever will be a way. But there's always the philosophical questions about what would happen to your consciousness and the dangers of doing something like that.

Even if immortality is possible, going to sleep for say a million years to go to a planet that may possibly have . And think about how completely screwy our tech is. Even if it gets completely fixed and it's flawless in 2,000 years, there's no telling if everything is still going to work perfectly after a million year journey or if something completely unexpected happens that knocks it off course along the way. And then you'd be stuck way the fuck out in the middle of the universe and there's nothing you can do.

It just doesn't seem practical to work on trying to colonize planets that far away when there are so many more important things we should focus on first, and THEN with advanced tech anyway, work on trying to get a man past the solar system and give me somewhere to go to. It just seems like too much hoopla for something that isn't practical or helpful and won't matter if we end up going back to mud huts because we couldn't handle our problems in [THE CURRENT YEAR]

>>695165140
Thank you for proving my point, I needed the laugh.
better luck next time.

>>695165891
The entire movement, which you have read an insignificant portion of, is a critique of the foundations of western epistemology, something that STEMlords take for granted.

>>695166925
What would be really interesting is if we send out generational ships or cryo tombs, and then develop physics-glitch FTL drives and beat them there...

>>695153697
Looks like me in 5 years

>>695165331

We could debate whether scientific consensus has any value beyond the purely operational but I think the answer wouldn't satisfy you either way.

The simple explanation is that there are people that will always be ready to build the edifice, and there are people who will continue to puzzle over its foundations. The latter suffer at the hands of the former, but the former inevitably rely on the latter.

To be safe we should probably keep both occupied.

>>695166784
Too many empty buzzwords

>>695152793
u mean 'the carl sagan nigga'