>>694985857
A LOT of the money made from being a waitress comes from tips... At least this is true in America.

>>694985979
This.
If you don't tip in America, you're a cheap piece of shit. If you don't tip where they're paid a livable wage, the food is priced accordingly anyway.

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>>694985979
>>694986204

>>694986679
Sorry, your point?

>>694985979
Too fucking bad, I'm not your boss, I'm not paying your fucking salary, all I want is my fucking food. You put a price on the food and then ask me to give you MORE MONEY? Go fuck yourself

>>694986804
His point is that the employer makes up the difference, if you don't want to rely on tips which you may not get, don't be a fucking waiter

I always tip 20% minimum. Only classless cheap fags and niggers don't tip.

>paying some one extra to literally keep a glass full and transport food 15 feet away

nah

I tip if I really like the waiter and they were good, but the fucking pizza guy can go shove it up his ass. Go work at McDonald's if you want more money.

>>694987072
Then you're a moron not Mr. Moneybags. The point of tipping is to reflect good service, if you give 20% for shitty service you're a fucking retard, not generous

Our country has a minimum wage, so tipping is an optional extra. I tip my barista when I pay cash, but she makes the best double shot flat white in Wellington, if not the world. (I'm not even joking, this is actually my opinion, she is so goddamn consistently amazing, CHINA STRONG)

I rarely go to restaurants etc, but when I do the service is usually pretty poor. Typical schoolkid waiters doing the bare minimum to finish their shift, why would I tip that?

I have been to a few five star restaurants and steak houses. The difference is night and day. The waiters are actually on hand then entire meal, do things without asking, you know. The real deal. I tip these.

Im poor financially and unemployed. Its not my job to pay your wage its your bosses. Dont expect me to do math while im out for a leisurely meal.

I give good tips; things like "Get a real job" and "Tell the chef to buy better steak."

>>694985857
its a reward for good service, or if she is hot

the only reason i tip most of the time is so i dont feel like an asshole. i don't mind tipping for quality service, but tipping out of expectation is a horrible practice, and I cannot believe resturaunt owners can pay employees well below minimum wage because the tippers will make up for it.

>>694987732
My nigga

I don't tip.

If your employer hires you at less-than-minimum wage, you're an idiot.

I'm not going to subsidize your income. You should get a job at a livable wage.

>>694987732
>Im poor financially and unemployed.
>im out for a leisurely meal.

>Dont expect me to do math

Goddamn no wonder you're poor and unemployed. You're stupid as shit with a spending problem.

>>694986822
>>694985857
if you don't want to tip then don't go somewhere that it's expected of you

there's plenty of places and services that don't involve tipping

>>694988145
So the poor cant have one respit?

>>694985857
Only tip if you had a GREAT night.
>Says the guy that works in the kitchen.

I'm not a waiter, but the way I see it; if you don't tip, don't be a whiney faggot and expect exceptional service. They're getting paid wether your dumbass is happy or not. If you "can't afford to tip" take you broke was to the store a buy top ramen.

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>>694985857
i tip 22% at the bar here in canada which i guess is on the high side?

but i work in trades and do better than the servers ive befriended so it doesn't really eat much into my finances

i dunno, if i wanna drink cheap i drink at home

Several states do not have a different minimum wage for tipped jobs. I don't know why this hasn't been adopted everywhere else.

Also, if you're a server in Alaska, California, Minnesota, Nevada, Oregon, or Washington, and you expect a 20% tip for average service, go fuck yourself.

>>694988400
if you were actually poor you either would understand how shitty it is to not tip or not be able to afford going to a restaurant

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>>694985857
>What is your opinion on tipping?

It's the most economically efficient means of payment and gives us the opportunity to provide for our fellow man and truly be my brother's keeper.

It's a wonderful tradition.

I've noticed it's not as big a deal as in Murrica -- the East Asians are sometimes insulted at it -- but the Murrican way was usually to provide for people in need w/o gubmint intervention.

Tip people!

>>694988383
Expected, implying it's mandatory.

Although I am someone who tips, this is the dumbest fucking thing I've heard. It is a luxury to get tipped, hence minimum wage laws. Social norms doesn't mean expectation. Again, no one forces someone to be a waiter, unless you go above and beyond don't expect 20% tip.

>order four lobsters at a table at $50.00 each. Owe the waiter a 20 dollar tip for bringing out four plates. Fuck that

>>694988400
unemployed is not the same as poor

Wanna learn how to be a cheapskate and not get spit in your food when you return to the restaurant? Just tip a very low percentage and write the following on the receipt: "Excellent service and a good meal, just struggling to make ends meet. I hope you understand."

>>694988750
you go there knowing it's going to be part of the cost

if you don't want to tip then make it yourself or get takeout or something that doesn't involve being serviced you fat jewish fuck

>>694988909
Who goes to a restaurant often enough they would recognize you?

>>694989067
The service is already included in the cost.
we still get paid, get over it.

>>694989198
jews

>>694989067
That's where you're wrong dipshit, tip isn't built on to a bill unless it is a party size stipulation. And no, if I am supporting a business that is clearly making money off the food alone then you can go fuck your self I will eat where I want and the business will be happy to have me, tip or not. You do great service you will get a tip, if not find a new fucking job and don't expect others money for bringing out plates of food once or twice (which you're getting paid from your boss for anyway). I'm glad you don't run the economy..

>>694986822
Do this too often at the same place and you will get more than just food on your plate .. more protein than you ordered, etc... yum yum eat up!

>>694988635
this is stupod
pay a living wage and people feel ownership of their work
simple as that
stop keeping your brothers down

>>694989413
>get over it.

You're the one trying to come up with reasons why you're not a cheapskate

You're the same as kids who brag about pirating. Why? If it was really not a problem and so easily justified you wouldn't need to defend that kind of behaviour.

>>694989198
and more than that how can you say you're "struggling to makes ends meet" when you're at a restaurant enough that they recognize you?

>>694985857
I'll tip 20% for decent service. I will not go to any of the restaraunts in Providence RI that have a no tipping policy and then add a percentage to your bill anyway that gets pooled and split among the help. I'm guessing everyone gets an equal share wether you're a hard worker or a fuck off.

If I write on the receipt that I want my tip to go to a specific person, and not split amongst the staff, is it likely that the person will receive all of that tip?

>>694989067
>serviced
>job equivalent of a box on wheels you pull with a rope from the kitchen

>>694988400
You're also on here, so you have time on your hands to fix the "poor" problem.

>>694989900
don't go there if you don't like it

do you want to cry about getting kicked out of the theater for vaping too?

>>694989198
I used to recognize certain customers just by the order on the ticket, no face needed. And restaurant people party together, and enjoy gossip. It's a smaller world than you might think.

As a waiter. I loved tips. People are nice if you provide good service. That being said the biggest tip I got was a party of 8-10 people and the guy who paid, gave me $170. I actually brought him to the side and explained to him that the tip was included in the check (gratuity) and he might have given me too much by mistake.
Dude just smiled and said "good service, good tip"

People used to get tipped before the meal to ensure good service. Now ill ask for a refill for my soda. They leave with my cup and come back 15 min later FORGOT my refill and have the wrong order. Then get all pissy faced when I leave 2bucks.

>>694990029
don't work there if you don't like not getting tipped

>>694986822
I know for a fact that you've swallowed my cum, how's it tast cumdump?

>>694986968
waitress is like the #1 most common job for women who don't go to college
"Don't be a waitress then." is the shittiest excuse for not tipping there is.

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>>694989685
Get the fuck out of here with your commie bullshit. You feel good about work that isn't LITERALLY A JOB YOU START WHEN YOU HAVE NO OTHER SKILLS.

Servers deserve nothing. If they go above and beyond and create a great dining experience they get a tip. Otherwise gtfo.

>>694985857
I almost always tip well, 25-30%, unless service was really terrible - mainly to make up for the shitbirds out there who tip poorly or not all.

>>694989815
I'll tip a reasonable amount. Usually not a percentage, but enough that I don't feel like a dick and my waiter doesn't put the sheenie curse on me when I leave. But I will never leave a tip if they get pooled and split up. And if gratuity is automatically added to the bill, I will never tip extra.

>>694990271
Yes because college or waitressing is their only options, gtfo troll

>>694988120
You sound like an asshole and I feel like punching your nose.

>>694985857
Tipping is a scam for businesses to get away with under paying their employees.

>>694989883
No. The boss won't give a shit. He typically gets some of that money too

I hunt my own meal down. Only milk drinkers require someone to bring their mead or meat.

>>694990162
Dont eat there if you dont like ejaculate and saliva in your food

I make 8.50 an hour plus tips. Worked 6 hours today and made $55 bucks on tips.

>>694990486
good luck being a faggot all your life

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I hate that people think they deserve a tip and get mad when they don't get one. A tip is supposed to be a reward for excellent service. I only tip they you did a good job serving me

>>694989685
>pay a living wage and people feel ownership of their work

Tipping provides incentives for top notch service beyond just wait-staff.

Ex: cook screws up order twice, waitress went back and screamed at him for "messing up muh tip".

Moreover, pride of ownership is enhanced when they do a good job and get a good tip as a result. It's direct feedback from those in the know.

>>694986822
>being this much of a poorfag

fucking pleb smh tbh fam

>>694990271
It wouldn't be the most fucking common if dipshits like you didn't pay them the same amount they'd make with a job they would get from going through college for bringing out four fucking plates you moron.

Besides the trend is going to eliminate the dumb fucking job anyway. Either robotic type systems or pick up at the counter type services.

Tipping is really a way for the server's employer to cheap the fuck out and expect me to make up the difference.

I tip generously anyway, because I'm somewhat of a richfag and I feel sorry for them running around making $2.13 an hour.

>>694990587
>projecting

>>694990597
Faggot

>>694990553
sorry im not a poorfag who goes to restaurants that emply niggers so i don't have to worry about that
>this faggot thinks mcdonalds is a restaurant

>>694989744
A- I'm not the same guy.
and B - I'm not trying to come up with anything, you idiot.
I work in a resto, so I know what's goin on in a kitchen, im not fucking gonna eat outside werido.
Beside we still get paid.

>>694985857
In general, this guy is a liberal faggot, but basically this is my opinion on tipping

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_vivC7c_1k

>>694990703
>projecting
>doesn't know what the means only repeats what he sees on /b/
could you be even more empty?

>>694990686
> pick up at the counter type services

That's called fast food

>>694985857
Get a real job.

>>694990947
>An unconscious self-defence mechanism characterised by a person unconsciously attributing their own issues onto someone
>implying

>>694991001
Hah this is why you're arguing in this thread, no there are sit down fancy restaurants that do mainly raw bars and other kitchen cooked meals.

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>>694985857
>thread full of waiters and waitresses mad at their life decisions

>>694991074
What's your job anon?

The US is such a shit country.

>>694991091
>2016
>homosexuality is an issue
now who's projecting

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I tip 30% to feel better about myself.
If I can make someone's day a bit better, I will. If someone is exceptionally rude or keeps fucking up, I inform them. If they refuse to adjust course, they receive no tip. Only those who are obviously new or overworked are excused from the accident rule. It's about having a correct moral compass, not wether the manager underpays or the job is shitty. If people had an option, you wouldn't have servers anywhere.

I don't tip. Like a bro posted earlier in this thread, e.ployer makes up difference if you don't hit minimum wage. Tipping only supports greedy ass restaurant owners who are fucking rich enough without being subsidized through their employees.

>spending money when you don't have to, to please someone you don't even know or care about
Fucking retards.

>>694988750
Why would you tip 40% for four lobsters? Isn't 20% enough (hint 10 $ total, 2,5 pr person)

>>694991130
most of the thread is actually NEETs who are trying to justify how they're so above entering the workforce

>>694991196
>calls me a fag
>NO WAIT ITS OK BEING A FAG
kek kys faggot

>>694988607
THIS guy gets it!
Most of the cheap ass fucks here cant see past their nose, yet alone how others live, earn or whatever

>>694991282
I'm going to let you mull over your math and your implied percentage I did not list on the bill

okay so, if the employer has to make up the difference then does it even matter if we tip or not?

will they still be getting their money at the end of the night?

>>694991282
Or if you're a family it's the same amount coming from the family you retard

>>694986679
as a former tip-paid employee who was admittedly shitty enough to regularly make under min wage in tips, I found that many employers simply reported their employee's tips as making up the difference regardless of the actual tip amount, and since I live in an at will employment state, anyone who brought it up was terminated without a given reason within a week.

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>>694991296
>kek
>kys

>>694991440
In most states, due to under reporting of tips, servers are required to report an "average" tip amount. Even if you don't tip them, they have to say they were tipped.

>>694991440

Yes they will get the tip from the employer- the person who should be paying their fucking wages. Tips are meant for servers not so their employers can get away with paying 2.13 an hour, thats bullshit. I don't tip so as to make a political statement.

>>694987230
what you're really doing is bribing them so they don't spit in your food next time you come in.

>>694991624
also if they are over tipped they report an average tip amount

In California, everyone makes minimum wage. There is no such thing as getting paid less and the employer makes up the difference. They GET minimum wage regardless.
So with no pity-factor of them getting paid less, and knowing that mandatory tipping was created from prohibition and employers screwing over their servers, my actions reflect those of Mr. Pink.
*playing the worlds smallest violin*

I just don't understand how fucking poor you have to be to be objecting to giving someone an extra 5-10$ based on the fact that you think them getting paid 7$ an hour is sufficient.

Unless they are delivering something via vehicle then no. You might as well tip your garbage man, and any other person you come across for doing their job you autistic cucks.

>>694991440
>if the employer has to make up the difference

Do they?

Anyway in most places minimum wage isn't a livable income

>>694991559
Yes, because that sounds legit.
>be a restaurant owner, rather risk my entire business through and audit then pay a deadbeat the extra $20.00 for the day they didn't make up in tips...

>>694991695
No. They have to report "at least X". That's how most states require it. I'm a god damn tax accountant. GTFO.

Tips go directly to the owner. He can pay less per hour because we, the customer, are laying his employees wages. Why do restaurants need this subsidy? If tips went to the servers themselves, I would tip. But I'm not paying for millionaires 4th Beamer. Fuck tipping.

>>694985857
get yourself a fuckin real job instead of relying on handouts thats my opinion

>>694990534
Would the employee get fired if they get caught accepting money "under the table"?

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>>694985857
Triggered those waitresses. Madlife kek

>>694991430
Please tell me how 20$ out of 50 $ is 20% professor?

>>694991721
>giving someone an extra 5-10$
because giving away money is stupid if they get paid for their job already.

>>694991840
What's your job?

>>694985857
I live in developed nation where we can expect our employer to pay us a living wage. I never got tipped when I worked in a cafe and I have never tipped anybody else. Never once has this been an issue.

>>694986822
You probably only eat at McDonald's with that attitude. Enjoy your shitty food m8

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>>694991832
>Tips go directly to the owner.

>>694991180
i'm a chef at wendy's

>>694991800
>They have to report "at least X"
yeah because people don't lie in an unregulated system
>I'm a god damn tax accountant
cool? what does that have to do with unregulated cash in hand to hand exchanges?

>>694991887
not that dude, but it's easy
he said
"four lobsters". "at 50 bucks" (Each).
200.
It's like 40 dolars.

>>694991920
They get paid below minimum wage and your tip is what makes the difference usually. It's not giving away money you're paying them based on the service they provide, shit service - shit tip, good service - good tip. It's not rocket science tip your fucker waiter.

>>694991282
I understand how you feel but this is a terrible argument. There are all sorts of services in america that are simple enough, yet considered luxurious in some regard and therefore people demand higher wages.

Points:
Real estate
Car detailers
Wating (fine dining/dennys)

I hope those give you for instances. The whoele point of ordering an expensive lobster is that you're probably in a nice fine dining establishment. if you got exceptional service, then why not show appreciation? i don't think some real estate agents deserve million dollar commissions, but its all about the clientele they are serving.

#america

>>694991721

If it's such a sad situation, the employer has to pay more. They're the ones with millions in capital, why should that burden be put on the honest customer?

Tipping is a bullshit construct that allows ownership to pay less than minimum wage while shifting the burden onto the guilty conscience of the customer.

It needs to go away.

That being said I still tip 20% every time because I don't care enough about this issue to fight for change.

Also I waited tables for 4 years during college. People would tag me in this god damn "YOU BETTER TIP" memes and it was so annoying.

Yeah it sucks when people don't tip, but move on. don't get all pissy about it. That's why all those people who share memes are still waiting tables while I've moved on.

>>694987405
>The point of tipping
The point of tipping is to pay for better service than the average plebe. It's bribery and always has been.

If you're okay with having to bribe your food service professionals to get good service on a return visit, good on you.

If you think that one should do one's job to the best of their ability without demanding additional compensation, don't tip.

As for me, I tip or not depending on: Whether I have throwaway money, whether or not I like the server, and whether I fucking feel like tipping.

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>tfw you bitches actually think us servers care for your opinion
>tfw I get paid minimum wage and walk out with $150 in tips every night

>>694991887
Okay, first off the example had no 20% tip it was 10%. 4x50=200 x .10 is 20 if you hadn't figured that out, second off you clearly missed the point. Are you a waiter?

>>694992128
>millions in capital
Implying that small family owned restaurants have millions.

>>694985857
tipping is bullshit, it shift responsibility from employer to customer for employees being paid.

service industry workers should be paid better with tips being a bonus for exceptional service

>>694986804
Servers get paid their wage regardless of the tip. If they get less tips then more comes put of the employers pocket, as it should. If they get more tips then the employer pockets more money. The tipping system isn't to help the servers, it's implemented to help the employers make more money.

If nobody tipped then employers would legally be obligated to pay their employees the minimum wage. Instead you act as if defending tipping is a great moral crusade. Servers will get paid fairly regardless of wetter or not customers tip.

>>694992105
I know the fucking tax reporting requirements for tipped employees......

>>694992200
the fact that you think that's a lot of money shows that you don't have much money

>>694992018
Same here, I also live in civilized nation where the employer pays the wage, and the employees are not depending on tips.

America "worlds greatest nation" only true if great = fat

>>694985857

I tip, but their livelihood shouldn't be made off fucking tips. They should be paid by the restaurant. I don't know why they're taking the anger out on the customer rather than the establishment that is fucking them over.

>>694985857
Never been to any country that is heavy on tipping, here is Australia a lot of places will try and get you to tip but it's not needed or really expected.

Don't let restaurants bypass minimum wage laws. Problem solved.

>>694992156
>The point of tipping is to pay for better service than the average plebe.

Studies show that tips have almost nothing to do with the quality of service given.

The point of tips is to allow restaurant owners to pay servers (and bussers and door hosts too BTW) $2 an hour.

The food is overpriced anyway. It's the managers job to pay their employees, not me. I gave them their money, they do what they want with it. Fuck tips. It's just a Jewish money scheme.

>>694992149
I agree. I've worked for tips and i've done the math in my head, if employers paid fair wages to service staff the increase in price of the meals would be fairly nominal. BUT the incentive of tip does increase desire to work harder. Although i think this can contrast with having stressed out employees fuck up more. Pros and cons.

>>694992312
For a 3 hour shift that's $50 an hour.
I'm only a student and I'm making more than teachers in my country

>>694985857
Restaurants should just make the food cost more money so they can pay the staff more.
It shouldn't be my responsibility to pay their wages its the restaurants.

>>694990597
I would eat that

>>694992038

>Employee makes $10 an hour
>Employee gets $6.50 an hour in tips
>Employee should make 16.50 an hour

>#nope

>Employer goes to government
>"My server is getting 6 bucks an hour on top of what I pay them, I want to be able to pay them $4 an hour
>Government: "OK"
>Employee is back to making $10 an hour
>Prices don't lower, rather, boss pockets the savings
>Not believing this is how it works


Fuck tipping

>>694992330
Standard of living is higher. We have more innovation. We are more productive. Those are the things that make America a "great" place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-qV9wVGb38

Scotfag reporting in, here people generally tip 10%, unless the service is shitty of course in which case they get nothing

>>694985857
I used to tip generously. Thanks to this bullshit I won't tip a penny any more.

Canadian here,

Cute waitresses, 5%
Hot stuck-up waitresses, 5%
Male waiters, 15% (to make up for the shame they suffer)

If they're a cunt in general, I have no problem not tipping.

I think the best one was The Goulash House last fall, we had a party of 6 and the waitress was hot, had a fancy gold necklace on and a huge ring on her finger. Place was pretty empty and we still had to fight to get more drinks.

Bill was like $550 or close to, and $0 gratuity. Slapped down the VISA, thank you very much. Bet she felt that slap in the face.

>>694992481
>my country

>>694992255

>Implying small family owned operations don't have small overhead and good margins (if they actually serve good food)

>Further implying that there are such thing as small mom and pop restaurants anymore

>>694992216
No I am a manager with a 85.000$ income. I dont tip, I put the money I should have tipped in a jar, saving up for a third car

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>>694985857
Your image says it all.
>If you come to a restaurant, solely for the sake of the food you are purchasing (at a discounted price that is, coming directly from the savings of the restaurant due to the rock bottom wages they pay servers), just get it take out, to go.
And any and all complaints you have therefore may be directly handled with the kitchen staff. Good luck.

>>694992541
America is not a great place. We have no social unity and the drive of capitalism is to fuck over the little guy. We'd have slave wages if we didn't have government counter balances. Which is the one reason we are "great". But the people suck. Every other more socialist country that has higher wages also has greater productivity and standard of livings. Eg australia

Capitalism needs to progress and our current system is stifling that.

>>694992819
My point exactly, that's a pretty low income for a manager. You work for a not for profit?

>>694992773

Calgary jackass detected.

>>694990824
> thinks McDonalds does tips

>>694992530
Can confirm.

This is 100% how it works.

In most states the wage for servers is $2.13 and hour. BUT if a server makes less than minimum wage including tips (i.e. less than about $5 an hour in tips on average) the owner has to make up the difference. Because the actual minimum wage is still $7.25.

When you add it all up, the first $5 of tips a server makes every hour goes straight into the pocket of the owner.

But it gets worse. Most restaurants consider bussers and hostesses "tipped employees" too for bullshit reasons. So they get the $2.13 treatment too. But the ownership makes up the difference with tips pooled together from the servers. So the host might actually get paid $8 an hour on her paycheck, but the bullshit rule allows the ownership to pay for $6 of those dollars with money taxed from the servers.

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>>694992361
Tldr: I can't read..

>>694992883

America is the wealthiest and most diverse nation on Earth and a consistent leader in standard of living and human rights.

How people continue to be confused about this is mind blowing.

>>694992541
Higher than where? I live in Scandinavia, our standards and wages are way better than US

>>694993023
I would rather take the tips. Because I don't report them on my taxes and i dont know of any server that reports all their tips, so the employer is still paying a little more out of pocket anyway.

U personally do not believe in tipping, not because i am a poor fag or whatever...

You chose to work there knowing full well you will be payed less than minimum wage. I dont understand this... i really dont.. what kind of half retard actually wants to do this...i work a 60 to 70 hour week and i signed up for it. I signed a paper agreeing that i would work upwards of 60 forced hours a week and i dont bitch about. You signed a paper agreeing to be payed less than minimum wage.

Like i said i do tip because i was once an illigal immigrant and i know some of the people who work as waiters and waitresses from high school and it makes me feel good that these privileged white kids get to walk my food for me. So i like to leave a tip to make myself feel good.

Do i leave a big tip? Maybe depending on the pick walking my food about. But no i shouldn't have to pay your wage your checks come with your bosses name not mine.

>>694992489
>Restaurants should just make the food cost more money so they can pay the staff more.
>It shouldn't be my responsibility to pay their wages its the restaurants.

The flawed logic here is mind numbing.
I won't tip, b/c it the restaurants.. but I'll pay more for the food.
Learn to math.

>>694990332
dumb
>>694990632
wrong

you fucks will never run a company thank god

>don't live in third world country
>waiters get decently paid
>nobody expects me to tip
>end up paying what I'm supposed to pay
Feels good man

I'm a line cook, and I don't go out to eat because I generally like cooking. When I do, I go to the spots I'd want to work at and tip about 30% so the staff likes me better and gives me more preferential treatment. Hell, it's a pretty small industry and you never know who you might come across later.

But most servers are lazy and make life for the kitchen worse than you can possibly know. At least everywhere I've worked, and everyone in the back I've talked to, 80% of the time it's your server's fault if your food is cold/wrong because they're the fools who put in the order wrong and are making us do it twice.

If you want the kitchen to get a cut dont tip cash, the servers are supposed to report them but they never do

>>694993022
Sorry as a person who's never eaten at a Mcdonalds I didn't know. Since you appear to be an expert of this eatery maybe you could explain it to me.

>>694993281
More and more people tip on credit cards these days and you can't hide those tips. (Well you can, but if you have a headwaiter who is smart like I was, they'll bust you on it.)

Anyway a system wherein servers avoid getting fucked because they can also cheat on their taxes is still shitty.

tip $0 at shit restaurants
tip $20/50 at good ones
always in cash directly to waiter/waitress so slimy owners dont garnish

>>694993187
Because we actually compare nations, US is not that great you imbicile, but US is an arrogant natioan, filled with stupid people. Just go to /pol - proof enough

>>694993389
Nigger you dont go to your job site and get tipped on how you preform throughout the day. That would be retarded as fuck.

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>>694993023
Never really thought about this before. Certainly an eye opener.

>being this b8ed

>>694993187
"leader" but not top of the pack. We might be the wealthiest, and most powerful, but we for sure as shit aren't THE leader in standard of living and human rights.

Go look it up. Have you ever been to an inner city ghetto or did you grow up in a nice sheltered life?

>>694992541
Wrong. Your standard of living is rated 8th in the world, behind countries like Norway and Australia that have a much higher minimum wage. You are constantly doing worse than European countries in innovation. Your national productivity is a joke.

You know what makes America "great"? You have a lot of people. That is it. A large population has allowed people to produce misleading figures that don't go per capita and therefor in no way reflect a single persons way of life, but it helps delude you into thinking your nation is, or ever was in living memory, "great".

As a developed nation, the USA is second rate.

>>694993389
I'd rather honestly pay more for food than have to make a calculation about the fucking employees livelihood every time I go out to eat.

Also tipping leads to shitty service. If I show up dressed in a t-shirt and basketball shorts (how I am dressed 90% of my life outside of work), servers will size me up and decide they can play the odds and ignore me a bit more that the douche-bag wearing a shirt and tie the next table over.

If I were black it would doubly suck because I'm getting ignored no matter what.

>>694993484
>tip about 30% so the staff likes me better and gives me more preferential treatment

Literally paying someone to do the job they are supposed to be payed for in the first place.

Niggha whahht?

Just give cash straight to the waiter, tell them the tipping system is fucked.

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>>694993723
You forgot, alot of FAT people

>>694993493
it is, but you better believe it gets taken advantage of. And even with credit cards the irs will only come after you if they can make around 5000 dollars (i did google that and i don't remember the source). So servers are pretty safe on that front too.

>>694993567
Fucking /pol is not representative of the United States.

>>694991559
And I assume you took this up with the Department of Labor, and didn't just make that shit up, right?
Because they would have forced that employer to pay you every dime you were owed and shut that place down.
Unless you just made that up.

>>694985857
I think a tip should be an extra for waiters and waitresses
Employers should pay their employees a decent wage instead on relying on the generosity of the customer

>>694985857
I only tip if the service was good/above expectations.

but waiters here get paid about $20/hr because we're not shit tier USA lol

>>694993917
Offcause not, but you have enough of those kinds of ignorant bastards to have Trump running as a president, the whole world is laughing at how stupid a large part of the americans are. We generally despice you for lack of knowledge and culture

>>694993719
Dawg I grew up in the inner city. I'm not saying America is perfect. We obviously got a lot of shit to work on.

A majority of the world, we beat by a mile.

Western Europe is nice, but racist as fuck. The Nordic countries sound nice, but they're like 95% middle class white people. A whole nation of people growing up in a "nice sheltered life" if you will.

>>694994009
At will laws pretty much allow employers to get away with that shit. Plus how would he fight it if he was reporting under what he made? It would just bring into question his offenses and probably get thrown out

>>694986204
Maybe America needs to pay their worker a living wage. It's not up to consumer to pay the wages through tips. It's sad how employees in America have to worship their customer so they can get enough tips to pay for food and rent.

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Don't have to tip in my country. because minimum wage isn't lower than a 6 year olds weekly
allowance.

Even if i lived in a country where i was expected to i still wouldn't.

I'm not that persons employer. I don't owe them shit. If they didn't like the fact that they're getting paid $6.50 an hour get another job. Get educated and get something better.

I go out to have a meal not pay for someone to do their fucking job.

>>694993887
Obesity is a worldwide epidemic. Although the USA is above trend for its fatties, not so much that I feel it needs to be especially called out.

Its economic situation, on the other hand, deserves a very special mention.

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>Waiter for Italian restaurant
>goes home with tips upward of $300 a night

As a base rule of tipping, you want your waiter/waitress to be there when you need them.

Hell, just do it like my pops used to do, set 20 $1 bills on the table and tell them straight up "This is your tip money. Every time you screw up, I'll take a dollar off."

If you lazily wait tables, you're not gonna get shit. but then again there are cheap assholes too. Not poor, just cheap.

For instance, back in 2007 we had some of the Waltons come eat at our restaurant, and I was their waiter. 2 hours of refilled drinks, serving wines, socializing, and doing the best job I could to set the standard for our restaurant... they left a two dollar bill on what was close to a $450 ticket.

I still have that bill. I won't spend it, just to remind me of how ungrateful people can be.

>>694994212
Correction president candidate

>>694993845
I get free drinks and food, job offers once they learn my occupation, and if I dont leave a tip sometimes they still treat me like their friend.

Just an fyi i went out to eat at a place i've never been to and tipped 4 cents on a $50 check because the waitress was atrocious. I tipped anything at all because I wanted her to know that's literally er value in her workplace

>>694993492
I hate McDonalds, but I know how fast food works. Fast food places like Mcdicks, Burger King, KFC, Taco Bell, ect. pay minimum wage. The places you tip are "sit down restaurants". Places where taking your food to go is only in doggy bag form. If there's a drive thru, it's probably not a tip dependant place. Out of curiosity, where are you from?

>>694994212
And the UK voted for Brexit and the rest of the EU is fucking freaked out about an invasion of brown colored refugees. And they throw banana players and black soccer players.

Shitheads are literally everywhere.

>>694994224
Yuss because we generally have a high living standard you dumb fuck?

We are all pretty wealthy

>>694994271
/threadx2^10 powa

Learn from this man.

>>694994224
But still there's that guy up there that pointed out the rankings. we aren't top of the pack anymore and any countries surpass us in growth and prosperity per capita. I love america for many reasons but we are stifling our progress with our bullshit political bipartisanship jerk off establishment that is afraid of progressive values and ideas. Not to mention the wealthy controlling the nominees of our elections. I mean seriously? We're down to an entertainer and a criminal.

>>694993723
The US is consistently number one in the only category that matters; Net migration. People want to come here.

We literally have a sign out front that says "Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses",

A few brown people are coming into Western Europe from Syria and all the sudden those enlighten pockets of prosperity and standard of living are losing their shit.

The Nordic countries seem like nice places to live but the US has a greater population of illegal immigrants than the population of Sweden as a whole.

People want to be here so bad that they're breaking the law.

>>694994410
true, we are experiencing more general imbiciles in Europe to, but I never had high regards for brits. Most other europeans don't like them. We try to avoid them in general. We only like their soccer teams

I think what i hate the most about our tipping system is that if i go to a buffet those 'servers' are making server wages. They don't do shit for me except try to get me drink refills. That isn't worth that much and i only tip out of pity basically. They might as well be homeless beggars.

>>694994384
You are still paying at the end of the day amigo. You payed them to preform a service they should be doing in the first place. Yeah you i suppose you can buy your self into having free drinks and food but you still had to pay for it. That and the "friendship"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBTfj2lN6sQ

every bit of this is true

>>694985857
my country pays its wait-staff a living wage

No they come becuase they don't have many alternatives besides the cartels

>>694994728
Lol from mexico yeah. Canadians don't migrate here and stay now do they? maybe for weather but very very rarely.

>>694993784
>servers will size me up and decide they can play the odds and ignore me a bit more that the douche-bag wearing a shirt and tie the next table over.

They can play the odds? Do you think waiters are like FBI profilers?
You ARE the douche

>>694994549
Even the Yankees have their down years.

FWIW I embrace all the criticism that people have of the USA. That's how you know you're the best. Giant target on your back. People constantly holding you to a higher standard than everyone else. That's great. Watch the Throne and all that.

Just want to make sure everyone knows the score. And the score is, "Wealthy and diverse country that everyone and their mom wants to live in."

>>694994728
Illigal immigrants only come to the US for jobs. If brazil suddenly made a 180 and had a ridiculous amounts of job openings everyone in mejico would flood to brazil.
Life as an immigrant is hard. Imagine being poor without being able to even apply for a decent job. But its the work that brings people here. Not the country itself.

>>694995269
Dude I waited tables for 4 years. Servers absolutely fucking do this.

>>694994728
>Net migration

You remember what I said about the only thing you have that makes you look attractive as a nation is a large population, and that hides the real numbers? This is just another example.

Take net migration over population and you find that the vast majority of European nations are dealing with a greater burden per person of those 'poor, huddled masses'. Each European is doing better dealing with a higher ratio of immigrants than each American.

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>>694994728
No it's not the most important measurement. GDP pr captia, savings, trade balance, and investments are far better variables retard

>>694986804
his point is that when you tip somebody, all you are doing is making someone else's meal cheaper.

>>694985857
Not poor enough 2 care

>>694995312
I'm sorry, are job opportunities not part of what make a country a good country anymore?

Greece has a contracting GDP, 23% unemployment, and they default on their public debt but god damn it is a beautiful country.

Is Greece better than the USA too?

>>694995301
This is exactly whats wrong with america. Everyone thinks they want to live here. They're just following the crowd. Like i said, I love america for many reasons, but we are becoming such a shit melting pot its hard to get anything done. I think I'm going to get a visa or passport and try to travel the world.

But we are still very great and i'm thankful for America, but our dream seems to be a little lost on itself.

>>694995682
Greece is a shit hole

>>694995463

Fucking hooray for Qatar! Greatest nation on earth where they're building World Cup venues using fucking slave labor!!!

Nice try though.

>tfw restaurants where there's a bar or tables and you just collect your plate right from the chef through an opening in the kitchen are non existent

In this thread people who don't tip have been called Jews and while that is correct the true Jews are the bosses that pay less than minimum. Servers should be paid fairly based on the price scale of the restaurants items and tips should be a bonus for exceptional service or for generous people

In Australia, no one tips, employees get paid a decent wage, and payment takes about 5 seconds if <$100 (PayPass is great), or about 30 seconds if above. There is nothing subjective or confusing about the payment system.

>>694995904
Very great in your own opinion, we generally laugh of this idea of "exeptionalism". Americans are only exceptional stupid

>>694996128
You cant just take one variable, and yuss slave labour and oil makes Quatar number 1. But compare US to norway or australia retard

>>694995269
really? This is exactly what we do. still i treat everyone fairly, but i try to predict how they want to be treated and act accordingly

>>694995682
Bruh what are you on about.. its like you've never even talked to an immigrant before. Ask any Mexican immigrant why they are here. Work. That is all. I have lived in both sides of the border and i can tell you that yes the US is definitely very pretty in the organized blank kinda way. Bit no it is definitely very boring here. There is no real freedom. Its only the illusion of freedom. You are born to this illusion that you are free and everything is great. You are kept ignorant of the rest of the world. They throw out numbers and charts, you have opinions about countries youve never been too.. people youve never spoken too.. ideas youve never bothered to understand. You are a normal average American. And thats ok. We will just let you talk and pretend you are important okay. But maybe you shound learn from countries from people who actually live there or maybe visit for yourself and actually be involved in the place not just go sight seeing and clapping at everything amigo.

>>694996279
it's the pride and the arrogance. Which is exactly why i want out.

>>694985857
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>>694996644
Jokes on you. She's already dead.

>>694996580
You are welcome here anon, we can have sex and not tip waiters

>>694996533
>Ask any Mexican immigrant why they are here. Work

Availability of work is a pretty great metric by which to determine how good a country is.

>The Lakers are a pretty shitty franchise if you throw out the championships they won in the 1980s and the 2000s

^basically you right now.

Also I've traveled to 9 different countries so there's that =D

>>694985857
If I could tell my server "Im not tipping you. I can walk to the window and grab my own plate of food", I gladly would. This, however, is against some policies depending on the business. Your thread is retarded and you are retarded. Get a real job.

>>694996403
Norway sounds fucking dope. Great place to live.

So is the affluent 90% white suburb that I bought my house in.

So is Manhattan. Purchasing Power Parity Per Capita in Manhattan is dope.

The US is a fucking giant country with a sign out front that says we want the poor people of other countries though. The US is the leader of the free world.

If Norway or Sweden has a better ppp per capita then so be it.

>>694997033
why should i subsidize the restaurant owner's payroll? so some other asshole can refuse to pay a tip later, or pay a tip lower than mine?

"Waaaah I only make 3.00 an hour, I need the tips."

No, dipshit, you are entitled to the minimum wage just like everyone else. Stop lying to me.

>>694986822
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>>694987732
>>694988120

the only sensible people here
>too lazy to scroll down further

>>694997012
>do you think somebody would do that? go on the Internet and tell lies...?

4/b8

>>694985857
Ive worked at bars where the bartenders make hundreds a night. They have a nicer car than I do and own a house...for opening beers and mixing drinks? Are you fucking serious? These are the very same people who post shit memes like this on facebook. "Hrr drr tip your bartender!" Youve got one of the most retarded jobs ever conceived. Im not tipping you shit.

>>694985857
Actually my meal even tastes better, when i know, this fucking stupid labour slave had to bring me my food with a smile and joyfull mood while he/she will probably starve at home.
Its not only filling the stomach but the soul as well.

>>694991440
Yes, but they all know damn well they earn more from tips than they will from minimum wage.

They don't want minimum wage, they want more, while crying that they can't eat at night because they are so poor

Tip system is just paying for protection from servers which is fucking stupid