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Going in to freshmen year for CS at the end of the summer

>>694200020
Do you already know how to code? What do you wanna do?

>>694199584
I guess I'm a software system developer? I don't understand where I fit into this image

>>694200440
Yea, I program a lot in my spare time.

I really enjoy it, so I wanna do software engineering once I finish

>>694199584
bool isDeveloper = true;

>>694200759
I'm in my freshman year as well. Trying to get ideas from other anons on good places to start or things to learn.

>>694201783
A good book on programming fundamentals will probably help you a lot if you haven't done any programming before.

Be an electrical engineer and learn programming on the side (and in EE classes). So many job openings... You really wanna get a degree about software organization??

>>694199584
>network system administrators
>80k
Bullshit.
I started at 30k after an internship.Once i got my CCNE, it was all uphill.
I'm the reginal network admin/engineer for 6 different divisions. I make 180k after 4 years in the industry

Fuck your forced bias

Also CE has become worthless, its like giving candy to a baby, and the baby laughs then throws it in the lake

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>>694201714
congrats you conveyed one bit on information and it only took you 24 characters

pic related, its probably you

>>694199584
Yep. It's my day job.
Embedded systems, desktop guis, network daemons, operating systems, all sorts of stuff.

>>694201966
I'm getting pretty decent at swift making iOS apps but I'm working on C++ and Python now.

>>694202330

>characters

its not gonna use much space once its compiled

>>694199584
Holy shit that chart is wrong.

Self taught programmer. I don't do it as a job anymore and now it is just a hobby.

I quit doing it as a job because I really like making small games and applications, and learning new technologies, languages, etc. Doing it as a job took the fun out of it for me. I now work in a steel mill 3 and a half days a week, and I spend a very large portion of my free time programming.

I'm 100% self taught, and know C/C++, Java, Python, JavaScript, HTML/CSS, PHP, a lot of experience with SQL(MySQL/MariaDB mostly).

For anyone looking for advice on how to learn and get better, the best I can give is to examine other peoples code, learn how other people solved problems in their applications and apply it to your situations, and most of all, keep trying. If you can't figure something oht, or you can't get something to work, just keep trying different solutions until one works, take that experience and build on it in your next project.

Most jobs out there want "3-5 years of relative experience". That statement is bullshit, I'm not saying having worked at other companies won't help you land a job, however, if you come in and can show your skills, and have a good portfolio of the work you've done, it shouldn't be hard to get a job. Contributing to open source projects and even creating your own open source applications is a really great way to gain experience that employers will be able to see your work in a finished project.

>>694199705
what is this shit? i wanna learn swift wtf

>>694202399
Horseshit. I ACTUALLY do this as a carreer. And if youre really a jack of all trades developer? Enjoy your $40k mom and pop shop salary.

>>694203252
>self taught
No, you're like every other programmer/designer
You learned basic syntax that can be applied to ALL languages.
Then you pull out your reference book and find how you want to implement it, and how

You cannot possibly belive you have learned every single possiblity.

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Tell me, how does it feel knowing I make more than all your fuckers writing code for Minecraft.

Also Java master-race, fucking debate me faggots.

>>694202330
>pic related, its probably you
Hey, OP asked a question, I answered. And no, I'm not a web developer.

>>694203609
fuck java.
but actually how do you get good at java? took my CS-150 course at school in it and hated every second, but it seems super useful.
What'd you do to get sick at it?

>>694203609
Oooohhh! Notepad++! Im so impressed.

>>694203609
JVM is a resource hog

> 300mb ram to run hello world

>>694199584
Computer Engineering. Those numbers can't be right. I go to a school with one of the best programs, so I may be skewed.

>>694199584
>Any developers, software engineers or computer science students here?

KEK

Of course, because almost every anon claims to be a self-taught web developer.

I'll be blunt with you and all idiots ITT: if you don't have an above average IQ, IT is NOT for you. Go flip a burger, or go get a degree by retaining and regurgitating information.

>>694203522
I didn't say I have?

No programmer knows "every single possibility". I'm saying to take your past experiences and ways you solved problems then and try to apply it to whatever you currently work on, and use all of your past efforts to help you figure out the current problem.

Saying that self taught programmers rely on reference books is incredibly ignorant. Some people are smart enough to learn things on their own.

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>>694203797
By sticking to it, I learned fluently over a few years. The key is actually having something to make. If you're just programming to learn, you'll never learn.

>>694203803
It's eclipse you dumb cunt

>>694203826
Who care about memory when you have a fuckload of it in your system now. What matters is code efficiency, design, and how fast you can get product out the door.

>>694203609
I primarily use C++ now, but I used to almost exclusively work in Java.

There's good arguments to both sides, it really depends on the use case.

>>694203609
>java
>implying not bait

Java is gross. Its the perfect language for code monkeys, not so much for computer scientists.

>>694203928
Yeah, i dont know where they got some of those numbers. Network engineers and DBAs make the most at my company, followed by systems developers, closely followed by software engineers, systems administrators, the QA and web / scripting / graphics / other uncompiled code.

>>694204039
Yeah kid, calling you on your bullshit. You may know the basics, but when you're put in a real position to make something more then just gaymes and guis for cli that are not needed, youll see you'll need help having to impliment a new call/function to get your program working.

Like you NEVER googled ANYTHING when you were "SELF LEARNING".

You're not hot just because you think you learned how to program with no references.

EVERY actual programmer has a reference book(s), or a pdf/ebook/google docs/ w/e
EVERY

>>694204169
> Who care about memory when you have a fuckload of it in your system now. What matters is code efficiency, design, and how fast you can get product out the door

Anyone doing something that is resource intensive

Why do something in Java when I can do it way faster in a language that isn't shit?

>>694204473

I don't know what's more amusing: someone may be lying, or how hard you're trying to prove he is.

Get off /b/, go outside, and get some fresh air, nerd.

>>694204473
>being this mad

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For real though, if you don't know at least one programming language fluently and you're in here debating code practice. Go jump off a cliff, or hop on youtube to learn how to write hello world.

>>694204699
>implying provided solid facts, is some how infuriating
>cannot create an orginal retort
>interjects owns deflction

>>694204730
>r hop on youtube to learn how to write hello world.

KEK

>>694203609
Java is for shit tier programmers. Enjoy your $75k paycheck. You dont make half what I do.

>>694203431
>Horseshit.
Not all at once, ofc. But is it really that hard to believe? Once we've pushed a project out the door and shifted the team onto different things, the next project has different demands.
Unless you're publishing papers pushing the boundaries of software, this shit isn't all that hard, just time consuming.
>And if youre really a jack of all trades developer? Enjoy your $40k mom and pop shop salary.
Whatever you gotta tell yourself.

>>694204473
You literally just said I'm not a real programmer for having googled something, and then immediately said every "actual" has some kind of reference.

I didn't say I don't google things or that I don't use references. I don't solely rely on them to copy and paste code from, which I feel is what was originally implied.

Obviously I forget what header a specific class or method is in every now and then, or I need to lookup the documentation on what a specific thing does.

no, but I've had some exposure to coding and wow oh wow turns out I'm not smart at all.

But yeah, kudos to all you programmers out there, you're what we still kind of need now

>>694204906
what do you write in?

>>694204852
>implying I'm the anon you were replying to
>not having any solid facts to prove I am him
>still being this mad

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>>694204568
Define one thing that is resource intensive other than displaying graphics that would be resource intensive not already limited by CPU or Networking. I'm waiting faggot.

>>694199923

Is this a test for one of those coding academies or something? What Javascript joined() does doesn't matter at all, it takes 20 seconds to look it up on w3schools.

If I were to interview someone, I would not give a fuck if they knew the joined function or not. They can assume there is a function that does this task if they need it, but I don't care if they know joined() or not.

>>694203976
why are CS/IT kids so arrogant? It isn't rocket science. If you have an above average IQ study Physics or Math (more in-depth than the discrete math you learn in CS).

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>>694204942
Its not my fault you took my facts as a personal insult to your being.
Stop being a piniky tumblr and actual read what people type.

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>>694204906
I love when people debate languages, because anyone who actually has a solid understanding of computer science is pretty much never going to debate wether a language is "better" than another.

It all depends on what your end goal is. There are plenty of things I would use Java over C++ for, while there are plenty of things I'd use C++ over Java for.

>>694205260

I said an above average IQ, not genius level IQ, you fuckwit. I've seen too many tards drop out of IT due to being mentally inept.

>>694205437
>butt hurt confirmed

>>694205260
>why are CS/IT kids so arrogant?
They mistake having wasting their lives on a computer as aptitude.

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>>694205260
Because we're smarter than you, go flip burgers or serve beer you worthless fuck, next question.

>>694205437

Posting an anime gif makes you lose all credibility. Type no more. Back to /a/

>>694205601
>be a male
>yet using female anime to convey feelings

Sexually perverted, diseased, mentally ill homo and possible wannabe trap detected.

>>694205002
I write in medical device sales. I was an SAP consultant once, then went into SAP sales, then stored energy systems sales, and now medical devices.

I'm a sysadmin making 105k. About to get CISSP and move into the 150k bracket.

>>694205228
> not already limited by CPU

Using tons of cycles = resource intensive

But fine, finding something in a shitton of data.

>>694205837
For real, sysadmin is a good field to make money. Because nobody wants to do that shit.

>>694205779
As a side note, most of the CS majors (like 75% percent) were gay/bi. A few traps too.

I don't understand the correlation though... They all spent too much time on /b/?

OP don't do CS unless you wanna become fag

hi, i am a 16 year old self taught web developer that makes websites for companies in my area. So i think that counts? I'm not about that html and css pussy shit life tho :/

>>694206070

For some reason, studies show homosexuals and bisexuals tend to be intelligent.

>>694206151
HTML / CSS aren't even considered languages. They're pretty much requirements for any low level language..

>>694206070
I noticed that too. Like they were too gay to get a math or engineering degree.

>>694205837
I have a friend that got his CISSP a while back. He's making fucking bank now, hats off to you though, I hate doing sysadmin work.

>>694206151
>i am a 16 year old

Reported. Everyone do the same. Enjoy your b&

Also The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

>>694206268
>requirements for any low level language

Implying HTML/CSS has anything to do with programming.

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Hey guise, my buddy has access to a bonafide supercomputer for an internship and he has no use for it. What should I write for it?

Just graduated from high school, imma enter uni for computer programing, any tips on where to start or how?

>>694206451
sadly normies would believe otherwise.
I sure as hell dont see them as having any relevance in programming.

30, Sr. Software Engineer. Make 130k, was making around 180k (1099 though) doing govt contraction but had enough of that shit (was cleared work so I had to go into an office). Now I just sit at home and barely do anything doing commercial work.

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>>694202330

Bitch, please.

>>694205241
i never understood why classes obsess with this kind of shit. in the real world, you'll always have some kind of reference available to you anyways. The ability to organize and understand program flow is more important than remembering the specific syntax and result of a given function.

>>694206655
sudo rm -rf /

>>694206844
LOL

>>694206736
I at least would consider myself a competent programmer and I couldn't tell you the first thing about HTML or CSS

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>>694206655
This, it picks a random dick size everytime you run it and prints it out. Best program for super computer.

>>694206451
While i do agree, the context that 99% of faggots use to validate it as programming.

It is more then just html5/css
If you're taking professional standards.
You're going to have to interface with some sort of database, you're going to either use python/ruby/perl to do most of the work behind the scenes which is presented nice and tidy via html/css.

So it is more

>>694206736
Markup Language, not programming language, right in the name.

>>694207002
Yeah, i was a front end developer for a time. I dont even admit that to my colleagues.

>>694199584
CS student here, this year will be my fourth year, and I will be redoing half my second year classes again. Fucking calculus and linear algebra.

>>694207075
I mean if you are working in web development, even if you're on the backend, you should at least know the basics of them.

But if you're not in web development, then I can't see why you'd ever need to set foot in that world.

>>694207075
Well thats the whole concept of web development.
Like I write my backend in php and the interactive parts of my frontend in JS.
But HTML and CSS is like "oh yea im TOTALLY a programmer". Its just the most bullshit ive ever heard.

>>694207046
>java on a supercomputer

>>694206884

My CS courses didnt' concentrate on that kind of crap at all. Psuedo-code was fine for an exam, preferred even. Same now with white board interviews.

>>694206844
>>694206912

I know, right? I *used* to understand how it worked, not just what it means.

But when you're writing production code in C++, well...

>>694207166
Damn right.

>>694207361
haha, change majors to a field you won't absolutely fail in asap.

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>>694199584
What's the difference between "software application developers" and "computer programmers"? Sounds like one just just a subtype of the other.

>>694207426
>2016 and still not using node.js for backend.

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This thread was fun, now you fags are talking about web development. Which isn't even programming. Have fun comparing your chomosome size to each other.

>>694207655
fuck that dude PHP is love, PHP is life.

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>>694207046
>Pic related is when a femanon runs the program

>>694207461
you're lucky. i had several professors who required us to write out programs, by hand, on a paper test. they would copy what we wrote into their IDE and if it didn't compile they would mark us wrong. shit fucking sucked

>>694202330
i dont get why one would use class instead of id if id hasn't already been used

>>694207686
Poser.

>>694208016
Id fucking bring hte administration in on that.
If he mistyped or typed or typed in flat out different routines.
So much room to fuck around with peoples code and grades

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>>694203609
money isnt everything. from how you write your posts you appear to be pretty disappointed in life.

>>694206655
lulz at the image

>>694208344
Yep, I took a 50k pay drop because my wife and I were having kids, and I just generally wouldn't know what to do with the extra money. Our needs are already met, happy with house, etc. I'd rather just take a job I can coast through on, with no expectations of me working more than 40/hr weeks, etc. Best choice I've made.

>>694208553
Are you happy? You come off as unhappy in the thread but maybe you're just acting?

>>694208553
>having kids
>thinks losing 50k a year is acceptable
Bruh, you have an anchor you're financially for 18 years.
You're a fucking retard.

>>694199584
#define DEV = 1
if(isDeveloper == DEV) printf("no %d cares", 1);