What will it take for you fucking fat dumb cunt Amerifags to realise you need stricter
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What will it take for you fucking fat dumb cunt Amerifags to realise you need stricter gun controls?
> inb4 to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government
If your government wanted to kill you do you think they'd actually struggle they'd just bomb the shit out of you?
Also why would they? Anyway who honestly believes that is too unhinged to be trusted with a firearm.
> inb4 I need it for protection
Yeah, from other people with guns - retard.
> inb4 but being illegal won't stop people getting guns
No, but evidently not making them widely accessible hugely reduces the risk of that happening.
> inb4 constitutional rights
Yeah, your constitutional rights allows a BLIND person to buy a gun. I honestly laughed at that for about 15 minutes straight when I first heard it.
You fucking retards are fucked and you defend your right to be fucked.....
>>693948105
What does it matter to you what we do on our continent? Deal with your own issues faggot and leave us to ours.
>>693948284
I don't like seeing people having to die at the hands of fucking retards.
>>693948349
What do you care? There are too many people on this planet anyways and no one dies over here that you are likely to ever meet or know. You're bent over strangers dying half the world away and your probably dont give a crap about your neighbor beating his wife. Focus on your own shit and leave the shit you cant do anything about to those who can.
>>693948527
Shall I just assume you have no remaining argument left in support of guns after i debunked all of your retarded arguments?
>>693948690
I've posed no arguments one way or another. You have no idea what my stance is on gun control. I've merely told you that you're being a nosy douche bothering yourself about issues that do not affect you while ignoring those that do. Your priorities are completely out of whack. Fix your own country before complaining about mine.
>>693948284
Actually this dude is right you know OP. Let them kill each other and they can't reproduce.
>>693949006
we're already only 5% of the population
>>693949097
that's is at least one fortune.
>>693948105
The U.S. government would NOT bomb the shit out of the people...
>>693948690
No debunking took place... you gave an opinion which can't debunk.. only facts can.
Also, it's like you imply people can't make weapons... where do they come from?
>>693948284
/threaderino
>>693949292
Hence gun control laws.....are you guys wilfully ignorant or just fucking stupid?
>>693948105
Brexit much?
>>693948105
>>caring about a few thousand deaths in the US out of a population of 300M
>>ignoring genocide, war, disease, poverty everywhere else in the world
oh, to be european and ignorant.
>>693949420
I, nor can I imagine anybody else, understands what you're trying to insinuate with that comment.
>>693949434
this times 1000...
I don't get why people think its such an epidemic. grow up the worlds not a perfect place.
>>693948105
When was the last time you saw an army invade America?
Get a gun and we won't need to come save your faggot asses anymore
>>693949434
That mentality is the most ridiculous mentality, expressed by the most ridiculous of people.
If a kid shoots up a school and kills 20 children, 'well many more die in Africa from famine and poverty so expressing an opinion on that makes you ignorant'.
Guy mugs an old lady and shoots her in the skull, 'yeah well in a 3rd world country loads more die from AIDS, how dare you even mention anything to do with that slaughtered old lady instead of all the AIDS deaths'.
I've recently found out my daughter has cancer, 'so what, many more kids in 3rd world countries die of disease, how ignorant of you to focus on your daughter'.
>>693949910
learn to WW2 and fuckin Russia
>>693949910
> we
>>693949910
I'm from Switzerland, we all have guns, you've never attacked us or defended us.
Americans aren't responsible enough to be trusted with firearms.
>>693948105
A gunman that sees a sign labeling an area a gun-free zone isn't gonna turn around and walk away, he's gonna go in and kill people with little to no resistance.
We have gun laws, and most Americans with guns are perfectly sain law abiding citizens.
But a person that wants to go on a killing spree is going to do so regardless of any obstacles put in their way.
>tldr: OP is more of a faggot than usual
>>693950251
> when you don't have a response
>>693949993
USA's KDR was wayyy better than russia's
honey, get some milk, eggs, some pasta and maybe a steak or two... oh, and grab a couple of shotguns while you're there
...weird ass country
>>693950285
You have gun laws, but ones that aren't strict enough.
Having stricter gun control will of course reduce the availability for a criminal to go on a shooting spree. It also reduces the opportunity for someone to do something on a whim/moment of madness.
>>693950508
how?
>>693950482
This
>>693948105
guns save lives
>>693950482
Wal-Mart doesn't sell guns anymore.
>>693948105
Thats why
Get rid of niggers, problem solved
>>693950285
there you see the problem - you are afraid. you live in fear of your neighbours, your family, your children who you bough guns for their birthday to "protect" themselves, but who are more likely to kill themselves or you than ever use their guns for self defense. You have a country awash with guns, and your only response to the mass murder being done on a daily basis is to buy more guns. you will live and die in fear. I pity you.
>>693950508
We do background checks, and we have multiple tier gun licenses.
>>693950508
You're retarded.
Oh my god.. They're breaking the laws we made.!! Make stricter one's that they will laugh harder at as they ignore them...
>>693950482
Who the fuck buys food at walmart??
>>693950285
>But a person that wants to go on a killing spree is going to do so regardless of any obstacles put in their way.
...how about if you make it really difficult or impossible for them to get a gun? You think maybe that would make it a bit more harder to go on a killing spree?
Or maybe, just maybe, don't sell machine guns and shotguns in the fucking supermarket to anyone!
I swear to god you people are fucking retarded. How you got to the moon is beyond me.
>>693950987
Actually the one by me has a pretty good produce section. The veggies are fresher than the smaller local markets..
>>693950987
Literally everyone lol
>>693950636
oh well that's ok then, problem fucking solved
>>693948105
>what are burglars, murderers, and the gouvernment
>what is 80% of the crimes done with illegal weapons
>what is a constitution
>>693951153
Why does it matter which retail store sells guns? They all have the same rules
>>693951009
A. Machine guns are illegal. Have been since the Gun control act of 1968.
B. Supermarkets don't sell shotguns. Although it would be cool if they did.
C. Did we? Did we really go to the moon?
>>693948105
You are ultra smart, it's a wonder how the whole country doesn't think like you anon!
It's almost as if we know something you fucking dont...
>>693948105
> physical disabilities should strip of your rights
Kill yourself faggot
>>693951207
answers on a postcard, please - those of us who do not have a paranoid mindset may have different ones to those who think the gubberment is out to get us. (pro tip - never ask rhetorical questions - the reader may give answers you do not agree with, and fuck your argument right up)
>>693949946
>forgetting the context of a rich european middle class kid bitching about some other kid shooting up a school yet not even giving the slightest of damns about a million of children dying due to famine in Africa
Not that I care though. Their parents fucked them over by having them. Their parents killed them, I did nothing wrong.
>>693948105
Take the muslim cock out of your mouth and the nigger dick out of your ass, our guns are our problem, MYOB!!!
>>693951257
oh for fucks sake, you know what I meant, you're not that retarded.
I know that you like to get technical about terminology and what is an assault rifle and what isn't, but none of this changes the fact that basically anyone can buy and gun in your country and shoot up a school.
And everybody else in the world thinks that's insane, but you don't see the problem.
>>693951257
>C. Did we? Did we really go to the moon?
yes.
Becuase apart from anything else, no secret programme involving thousands of people has ever been kept secret for more than ten minutes - the idea that is was all done in Hollywood is both idiotic and self demeaning. Human beings are cleverer, and braver, than conspiracy nuts think.
>>693950508
>Having stricter gun control will of course reduce the availability for a criminal to go on a shooting spree.
Proof it. atleast 80% of crime is comitted with illegal weaponry. How will """"stricter gun control"""" help against illegal weapons
>implying mad people get a gun
>what are background checks
kill yourself.
>>693950801
You don't know me. You don't know what I've been though. You don't know what I had for breakfast.
Also I don't live in fear clutching a gun as I walk around. My friends and I just enjoy going out and shooting paper targets, beer cans, and this old frying pan we strung up between 2 trees.
Also I've never heard some give someone a $500 gift and worry about them committing suicide.
Like I said, most gun owners here are perfectly sane, law abiding citizens.
>>693948105
Our Nations capital has the strictest gun control in the entire country. It is illegal to possess even a spent bullet casing for a gun that you do not have registered to your own person in the city of DC. It is also nearly impossible to get a registration to own a firearm if you a resident of DC. There is only 1 office that does the registrations, you have to file a series of forms, go through a lengthy background check, pay about $500 in fees, and take training courses.
DC has the highest rate of gun crime in the entire country. Consistently.
Because Americans are FUCKING STUPID.
>>693948349
>I don't like seeing people having to die at the hands of fucking retards.
I don't give a fuck what you don't like. You can get over it or die with it.
>>693948105
America is the greatest country in the world
And our guns contribute to out freedom and the freedom of other countries
>>693948105
It will take few gun control laws...
>>693951009
Well we should make anything and everything illegal that can be used to kill people. Time to outlaw fertilizer, gasoline, paint thinner, Styrofoam, powdered, sugar, propane, and any and all naptha petroleum distillates or anything that is flammable or can go boom. Also cars, rocks, knives, pretty much anything hand and blunt or pointy at all.
>>693948105
You know why we all want guns? Because of you eurofags. Yes, we see all of you cucks getting raped and murdered by immigrants. But you still have the audacity to tell US what we need to do.
Fuck off and mind your own fucking business. Enjoy being beheaded by Omar.
Hey OP let's make murder illegal that will stop people from being murdered.
>>693950784
No, this is why you shouldn't own a gun. You're the type of person who calculates the numbers in a civil war and buzz off how your own government is scared of you.
For what reason would the US government want to destroy their own people?
Do you honestly expect the military to return to their hometowns and kill their friends and family members?
Do you honestly expect it'd even get that far without outside influence?
You are the cause of your own dangers and you're too fucking stupid to see it.
>>693948349
I can solve your problem easily, just by cutting out your eyes.
>>693948690
>Shall I just assume you have no remaining argument left in support of guns after i debunked all of your retarded arguments?
The second amendment to the Constitution is the only argument you need. Fuck off.
>>693948284
Country, not continent, you spasticated fucktard.
>>693950594
Lol
>>693950508
In the state of PA in 2015, 100% of the crimes that were committed with a firearm were committed with illegally acquired firearms.
More laws will not make that 100% any higher.
Stricter laws will not make that 100% any higher.
>>693948105
>Yeah from other people with guns- retard
Right, so the best deterrent against a group of men with knifes is a knife?
Keep on being a faggot OP
>>693951965
You, I like you.
>>693950801
This
>>693948105
You're a stupid fucking mother fucker. You obviously don't know shit about America or how it works. Stricter gun control won't stop criminals from getting guns, kill yourself you dumb cunt
>>693952086
FALSE AND UNTRUE
>>693951962
Fucking this. I'm sick of hearing cynical Eurofags moan about gun rights.
>>693948690
oh look its Mr. Superior. I'm right because I am the one who started this thread.
on question Mr.S. why aren't you getting laid right now?
most other men in you demographic are.
you are a man, aren't you?
>>693951934
>fertilizer, gasoline, paint thinner, Styrofoam, powdered, sugar, propane, and any and all naptha petroleum distillates or anything that is flammable or can go boom. Also cars, rocks, knives, pretty much anything hand and blunt or pointy at all.
All of these things have a purpose other than shooting and killing things. And yes, things that are dangerous need to be and are regulated.
And people in civilized countries don't have a problem with that. It keeps us safe from idiots.
>>693950853
But a kid can just walk into a gun show and just pick one up with zero checks.
>>693948105
haha faggot theres literally nothing you foreigncucks can do about it
youve lived for centuries sucking the dick of your government just like youve been told and americans are the only ones who won't and you're mad :(
>good goys gonna goy
suck the end of all 5 of the shotguns i own, all 12 of the rifles and all 3 of the pistols, and every one of the 5000+ total rounds of ammunition i have
and then when you're finally finished with the last bullet, suck my balls :)
>>693948105
actually the young man in Dallas was fighting back against a tyrannical government.
your argument is invalid.
>>693951009
Tard of the day.
You can't buy a fucking machine gun ANYWHERE in the US.
They have to be special ordered and you have to have at least a class 3 firearms license to do so, which you practically have to be rich to have.
So fuck off back to your shitty no guns Tumblr safe space anus of a country and now to your sandbagger overlords.
In the state of MD in 2015, 100% of the crimes that were committed with a firearm were committed with legally acquired firearms.
>>693950971
You're being deliberately ignorant.
If guns weren't as easily accessible then people couldn't commit crime with guns as easily.
It is literally that simple.
>>693948912
> because humankind couldn't have progressed if we gave a shit about the lives of other people
>>693951983
Its the reason the 2nd was written. It is the reason the USA is a country at all. Just because you think its unlikely does not mean its impossible nor does it mean we should assume it wont happen.
Liberals would love for the government to round up all guns and take them from all the citizens, the reason they cant is because we have them.
>>693951543
What's insane is that somebody would shoot up a school.. It's got nothing to do with guns. It's go everything to do with fucked up brains.
The problem didn't exist until the internet was invented and fucking 15 year old neck beards confined themselves to their mom's basement.
For the record, who exactly bought a gun and went and shot up a school? You know, since I'm being technical. Technical, factual.. Whatever..
>>693952507
>making something harder to do will eliminate the mentality behind wanting to do it
Keep on being a faggot
>>693952507
if only everyone was a pussy like you then you wouldn't have to cry at night :(
too bad not everyone actually is as much of a yellow-bellied shitbird like you are lmao
we find the cost worth the benefit, please take your fag rhetoric and join your friends from the orlando club in similar fashion
>>693952449
but you can buy this thing no problem
>>693950285
How about the obstacle of not being able to get a gun? Don't you think that might prevent them going on a killing spree?
>>693948284
>our continent
actually keep your guns, just educate yourselves a little, please
>>693948105
The gun used in this instance was an SKS, basically as inoffensive a gun as there is. No 'gun control' legislation would result in people not having access except total removal of all guns from all citizens which is never going to happen.
>>693948105
> IM OP AND IM A FAGGOT
The response eloquently put is that I can tell you have served no military time by your comment of "bomb the shit out of you". Doesn't actually work on your own population. America has stronger arms that what most Europeans know (civs can actually go through paperwork out the asshole to own RPGs/Anti Tank rifles, and a plethora of fun toys) Protection is needed and desired. People use a plethora of things to attack others, and to think something so stupid reveals a chimp like IQ. DIdnt realize Mike Brown survived. You also cant make guns illegal while we have a border to the south vastly open allowing black markets to rise freely. Cant have a black market from an open border AND criminals not having access. removing guns doesn't remove homicides, nice try dweeb. We get a freedom most people will never enjoy, a freedom they dont get because they never really left their plantation. Nice bait though fuckboi
>>693952643
Lol and how much does that cost idiot?
>>693948105
You jelly of much guns broh
>>693948105
>What will it take for you fucking fat dumb cunt Amerifags to realise you need stricter gun controls?
Literally nothing can change it.
>Something bad happens with a crazy with a gun
"If someone there had a gun they could have shot the crazy" "We need to defend against these people, they'd get guns even if we had laws against them"
>Nothing happens
"No excuses to take my gun, the country is fine"
Lose lose, there's no way.
>>693951452
So your argument is gun deaths arent bad cuz africa
well done.
>>693952578
>Liberals would love for the government to round up all guns and take them from all the citizens, the reason they cant is because we have them.
what I would love is when Trump loses, a bunch of you gunfags try and start some shit and get put down like the dogs you are.
>>693952643
How many deaths in the US were due to that type of rifle moron?
>>693952643
thats right fag and id love to see a pussy like you even hold one, much less fire it appropriately
all these fags that think "omg you can buy guns so easily" have probably never actually shot one and have no concept of how difficult it is for someone without substantial training to do anything other than pray and spray
ever wonder why shooter killcounts are always so relatively low compared to the population they attack?
fucking cucks, kill yourselves, the world doesn't need you
>>693951207
> ignoring all the inb4's
>>693952642
>if only everyone was a pussy like you
who's the true pussy, the man who doesn't need a gun to feel safe or the man who needs an AR-15 and or several other guns to feel safe?
>>693952756
found the child. just like they were going to assassinate Obama.
it must be terrifying to be a liberal.
>>693952756
If the military is ordered to cease all firearms from all US citizens, they will rebel. The leftovers will be killed
>>693951207
Yeah those same constitutional rights that allow a blind person to buy a fucking gun hahahahahahahaah
A blind person hahhahaha
A person that cannot see what they'd be shooting at hahhaahahajjahajajajaja
Ahhhhh shit you couldn't make it up......
>>693952756
Why would gunfags do anything if trump loses? We aren't the criminals cutie.
>>693950971
I see your bait and I laugh harder and ignore it
>>693952323
You missed the point. Most things can be deadly, and many of them will never be regulated. Anyone hell bent on killing people will do it regardless of the legality or even presence of guns. Even if all things were carefully regulated there are dangerous things all around us. Gas mains, high voltage lines, ect. ect.
>>693952908
not at all. in fact I don't even feel the need to own a gun.
>>693948284
>durr we can do what we want
>shut up
faggot
>>693952721
Kek, yeah and if you want to get that you need a class 2, maybe 3
>>693952350
Really? A kid can? Interesting, because I'm a 44 year old ex marine with a concealed pistol license and I can't.
But I'm sure little Timmy can stop by the gun show after his paper route and pick up a M2 .50 cal machine gun with handlebar mounting accessory on just be on his merry fucking way..
>>693953003
This
>>693952585
>It's go everything to do with fucked up brains.
Yes, but how do you not see that if someone has a fucked up brain and wants to shoot up a school AND has easily accessible weapons that he can use, it's more likely that that person will actually go and shoot up a school??
If the same guy wants to shoot up a school and DOESN'T have access to guns, maybe he will use a knife or a stick or whatever, but he won't kill 20 people in ten minutes, if any.
And to answer you question - the Columbine shooters got their guns legally http://www.vpc.org/studies/wgun990420.htm
>>693952941
>doesn't believe in equality
>>693951287
In fact, many people in your country do believe in stricter gun control laws. It typically tends to be the NRA nut jobs who argue against it.
Please enlighten me, what is this something I don't know about that you're insinuating?
>>693952928
we both know that would never happen and I' really not even for it. I do think we need waiting periods and background checks for ALL gun sales and to stop gun show sales and ban assault rifles.
>>693952507
50 years ago the same guns were easily available.
60 years ago you could buy guns in a hardware store, no questions asked.
we didn't have the problems we have now.
>>693948105
Fuck guns only one thing matters
#blacklivesmatter
>>693952968
>when you're too retarded to think of a reply that makes sense
>>693951409
>never ask rhetorical questions
>doesn't answer the rhetorical question
>doesn't fuck up my argument
>my mindset is different, it must inherently be better than yours!
>just trust the gouvernment guis, all will be fine!!!
>massive 1984 surveillance
>democrats attempting to destroy the nation for decades with welfare and programs and lots and lots of illegal immigration trying to make the lower classes slaves to the government
>trust the oligarchical corporatist government
kill yourself.
this is so true isis could send terrorists with gun training in or persuade someone with a gun to convert to isis and murder a bunch of people they can use the gun they have or buy one but in another country its harder to get one u need to smuggle it in
>checks news
>no new mass shooting in US
>disappointed
As a slant eyed, zipper head mother fucker who lives in a pacifist country, you american fat fucks shooting up each other is one of my major source of entertainment.
Keep em rounds flying, fuck faces.
>>693952947
really?
>>693952499
got some proof there kid?
no I didn't think so.
>>693951722
Are you dumb? Gun criminals in DC just have their guns delivered to them from the next state. Gun control doesn't work unless it's the whole country.
>>693953003
Dumbest argument ever against regulating firearms
>>693953183
haha I'm ignoring you
>>693951746
This.
>>693953070
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJsmKQBx0eo
>>693952350
sucking the kool-aid from the donkeys dick.
what's it like?
>>693953152
If the government did it would.
Handguns cause more deaths per year than "assault rifles" why not ban handguns?
>>693952941
So if someone is physically disabled in some way their government should be allowed cherry pick what rights they should or shouldn't have at their own leisure and discretion?
>>693953003
>Anyone hell bent on killing people will do it regardless of the legality or even presence of guns.
YES BUT IT'S EASIER FOR THEM TO DO IT IF THEY CAN JUST GO AND BUY A GUN!!!
CHRIST HOW ARE YOU NOT GETTING THIS!
>>693952683
Restricted access to firearms able to fire in a fully automatic function to government agencies and center fire semi automatic to industry's that require it (ie pest control on farms) restrict single fire volt action center fire rifles to recreational hunters and primary producers.
Restrict rim fire rifles to small primary producers.
Restrict hand guns to firearm association members who perform a set number of competitive shoots a year or the same with club members.
In this case an ak's would be to high capacity calibre or in an automatic configuration to be sold to anyone but a dude shooting stags out of a helicopter for a job (or the likes)
Why would you need a fucking sks?
>>693951808
What freedom? You idiots can't even dance in public without getting arrested
>>693952744
>strawmanning
>being incapable of understanding the word "context"
>being a retard
>>693951347
Hahhahaha the best thing is you aren't even trolling, you actually believe that just because someone is blind that shouldn't prevent them buying weapons HAHAHHAHAAHAAHHAHHAH
I'm literally laughing out loud at this, how you can't see how ridiculous it is a blind person buying themselves an arsenal of guns not knowing what they'd potentially be shooting at, is utterly beyond me.
In the same way you wouldn't let a guy with no arms buy a car, you shouldn't let a fucking blind person buy a gun!
> inb4 prosthetic limbs - fuck off you get my point
>>693952229
proof? is Obama really hung like a horse?
after all you should know.
>>693953090
fuckin this
>>693953219
no I don't. I made it up just like >>693952086 did
>>693948105
Because if it wasn't for blacks, our gun deaths would be equal to all European countries with strict gun laws, and because we have forementioned blacks with guns in our country.
>>693951594
but I do know you. You live in fear of your government, that they might come and take your toys away. You live in fear when you are out at night in a city, you live in fear when you go to a gay bar, or a church, or a rally for a political cause. you live in fear for your parents, your children, your lovers and friends. you live in fear. It is just that you don't often acknowledge that fear. it isn't often a gut gripping ball tingling fear, but it is there, all the time. Because you live a society that is sick. Can you honestly say that you have never, ever had a moment of fear about guns? A road rage moment, a dark street at night, a drunken argument? maybe you have not - maybe you are too young, too self interested, too stupid to know how dangerous your world is. I do not have any solution for this - but I know it, and I know that adding more guns to the mix will not help your fear, or your society. and I pity you.
>>693951962
Yeah except Omar is here because you assholes and your Jewish overlords have been bombing the shit out of his country for the last 30 years
>>693953402
guns are still legal. what more proof do you need Einstein?
>>693950636
Yeah. They. Do.
Your local store must have caved to the faggotry
>>693951473
This is the type of person I imagine has a range of weaponry at home.
>>693951257
Machine guns aren't illegal.
At least in WI you can get anything that is considered a firearm i.e. Machine guns, SMG, PDW, SBS, SBR, etc. as long as it's registered with BATFE and the local sheriff or "chief of police" says so.
Also we have minimal gun problems in WI even though almost everyone here hunts. Only problem is Milwaukee and that's cuz there is a shitload of niggers.
And another thing. No weapons need to be registered. And no waiting period.
>>693948105
Better questions; why do you care? Especially if you aren't even American. Stay in your lane.
>>693951808
itt man who has not seen https://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjn5Kvlk-nNAhXE0hoKHXFZCI8QyCkILDAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVMqcLUqYqrs&usg=AFQjCNHZwqBKanJwCARGvgIiP5lUYd1ljw
>>693951983
this is what many users of this board has postulated in their anti-gun arguments.
why do you the black community is in the state they are?
you don't think it will spread? too you?
>>693953183
>When you're retarded enough to expect me to actually think about a reply to obvious bait
>>693948105
What country are you from? Oh, wait... It doesn't really matter because it's almost certain that it's been invaded or attempted to be invaded in the past. Do you see any other foreign militaries making a move on the US? Of course not!! We have so many guns in our nation that it would be suicide to even consider it. So until you can get on our level STFU!
>>693951808
Kek
>>693953395
>cars weren't designed to kill people, guns are, so they shouldn't be treated the same
>we don't let blind people drive cars, so we should treat guns the same way
Pick one faggot
>>693953090
Do you even read bro?
"Because Anderson purchased the guns for someone else, the transition constituted an illegal "straw purchase." Klebold and Harris bought the TEC-DC9 from a pizza shop employee named Mark Manes, who knew they were too young to purchase the assault pistol, but nevertheless sold it to them for $500."
The guns were gotten illegally. God damn it's like having a conversation with a 2 year old..
>>693953395
A no armed man can absolutely buy a car. He wouldn't be able to pass a driving test, so he wouldn't be allowed to LEGALLY drive it because driving a car is not a right.
>>693951962
except you have the higher rate of rape and murder... lol, enjoy being shot down in a drive by, or a gay disco.
>>693953538
yeah, I live in Northern Virgina and none of the Walmarts around here sell guns. I imagine they do in other parts of Virginia though. Once you leave the D.C. suburbs of Virginia it gets pretty redneck-y pretty fast.
>>693951591
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>>693953409
Gun gotten illegally.. It says it right in the fucking report you fucking retard. Read..
" Because Anderson purchased the guns for someone else, the transition constituted an illegal "straw purchase." Klebold and Harris bought the TEC-DC9 from a pizza shop employee named Mark Manes, who knew they were too young to purchase the assault pistol, but nevertheless sold it to them for $500."
>>693953222
and then we will get them from mexico and canada, and then from overseas, and then oh look the entire world is disarmed
>>693951983
>For what reason would the US government want to kill their own people?
Hmm I don't know, bet a lot of Germans asked that question about themselves not too long ago..
OP is a fag
1. Unless every other human being is a cop or body guard, then self defense is the responsibility of the individual. Why not have the tools to make it effective?
2. Because America is a free country and not a Monarchy, we don't grant the right to armed protection only to our politically favored individuals.
bomb the shit out of us? in what an open field? an armed usa would still beat the gov with assault rifles using geurilla warfare. Not to mention when the movement gets big enough what soldier is gunna want to fight his own country.
>>693951591
>atleast 80% of crime is comitted with illegal weaponry.
"proof it"
which is to say, citation needed
pic related a legal gun purchaser
>>693953911
This.
>>693951591
it will however affect the other 20% of gun crime, so you know that would be cool.
> Implying mad people get guns
nope not implying flat out saying
John Russell Houser
- mental health problems
- committed
- criminal record
yeah able to buy a gun
James Holmes
- Attempted suicide
- seeing a psychiatrist
Yeah sell that man a gun
Dylann Roof
- prior arrest record
yeah fuck it give that boy a gun
What are background checks
apparently not a fucking lot.
>>693949946
Or refugees accusing your welfare and raping your women.
>Durr, well at least no one got shot.
Again, mind your damn business.
>>693951591
On a whim / moment of madness doesn't imply that they're registered as insane.
Define illegal weaponry....
>>693950636
The fuck they don't. They just sell them in the south like Georgia where I live.
>>693953571
And that is called gun control..
Go try to get one. without going through the "as long as" portion of your comment.
It's illegal..
>>693951591
another legal gun purchaser
>>693952889
thats probably just what you'd say before your opponent, who brought a gun, shot your face off
kek
>>693953698
lmao this is the stupidest thing i've seen on this whole thread
and this thread is full of pro-gun americunts so that's saying something
>>693953516
Holy shit you can't really be this retarded.
>>693952941
>what is equality
>what is discrimination based on disability
>a douchebag laughing at a disabled person
>buying a weapon does not imply that he won't get in trouble by firing it
>implying blind people are stupid enough to buy a gun without reason
Just because a law is abusable by certain people doesn't mean that it happens. Keep that in mind first. Also if a blind person were to buy a gun as a gift, you'd deny him that right based solely on his disability? That's just sad.
>>693948105
Not having guns really helped France when a group of ARMED ISIS MEMBERS walked through and started SHOOTING PEOPLE WITH FIREARMS in a country that PROHIBITS FIREARMS. You really think that if two regular sane law obiding citizens had a firearm on them that it wouldn't have possibly saved lives? Enjoy getting raped by all the Muslims that you let into the EU faggot.
>>693954017
What about this guy?
>>693953650
>implying an obese population with guns is the reason murrica doesnt geht invaded
Jesus Christ, your education system obviously needs a large overhaul, what the f
>>693953571
Handguns don't need to be registered in WI ?
Because they sure as fuck do in MI...
>>693952680
>>693952059
If you guys do not understand how many countries around the world take their orders from the USA, it's not my ignorance that should be called into question. We've never "freed" a country. We've installed friendly regimes that owe us their entire existence. We own them, regardless of what we want the world to think. The Monroe Doctrine became our cornerstone for control of two continents instead of just one. You accuse me of being ignorant and uneducated, but I'd be surprised if either of you had ever heard of that bit of legislature, let alone had a grasp of it's later interpretations and effects.
TL;DR We own two continents, not just one.
>>693952578
the reason the 2nd was written was because Adams wanted a state militia that was well armed to defend the country from foreign invasion. hence the "well regulated militia" bit that gun nuts do not bother with. You want a gun - join the army or the national guard. You will find in the original draft f the 2nd that Christians and others of religious or conscientious persuasion were exempted from having to serve - it was about the draft, not about personal ownership or self defense, or defense against the government.
also - times change. technology changes. Do not for one minute think that Adams or Washington would support current gun ownership laws. they were not psychopaths.
>>693951722
yeah but how many of them are mass shootings and how many are nigger related crimes ?
your argument is total bullshit.
> bait thread
>>693951722
see
>>693953222
It's super easy to buy guns in Virginia. Seriously like 30 minutes or less from D.C. they gun shows at the Chantilly convention center like every month.
>>693953513
It has nothing to do with Omar's religious texts telling him to kill the infidels either.
>>693954046
Nice lack of argument retard
>>693951722
Probably because I could very easily drive out of state, go to a gun show and buy a weapon with zero checks.
>>693953741
Oh come on, that's such a technicality. So a friend of theirs bought a gun at a gun show, legally, and then gave it to them - DOESN'T COUNT, ILLEGAL GUNS!!!
Bull. Shit.
>>693954118
legal...well I think his mom bought them actually.
>>693952638
no, faggot, making it harder for the mentality to act out its sick fantasies will make it harder for the mentality to act out its sick fantasies. no guns, no mass shooters, simples.
>>693953741
And where do you dumb fuck think Mr. Pizza got his gun from?
Jesus Christ, education in murrica is the cuckest
>>693954010
It's been that way forever. Law abiding citizens get guns legally.
Criminals get guns illegally, and go kill people.
I'm just saying it's not impossible. It's pretty easy.
>>693954154
True, but I have two hours to kill before I'm off work. This helps a little
>>693950145
See the part where you said you all had guns? That defends the point
>>693949269
Tell that to the afghanis or iraqis
>>693952642
I truly hope that you will think the cost worth the benefit when one of your loved ones, or you, are injured or killed...
>>693951784
And here we have the mentality of a typical gun-touting NRA retard.
>>693953003
ok heres on we can test out
go get a pointy stick and see how many people you can kill in a crowded place before the cops show up, now try the same thing with a gun. Which one do you think gets more kills ?
> We cant regulate guns cause we dont regulate fire and gas and high votage pwr lines durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
on second thought just kill yourself.
>>693954118
Oh, yeah.. Perfectly legal. Shooting your mom in the face and stealing her guns is legal, right?
>>693954061
That is the response of all activists moron. and what the fuck does that have to do with either point I made? nobody was targeting open carry people.
>>693954286
So stricter gun laws would have made it harder for her to get those guns, but not him
>>693951808
Please be b8
>>693954123
No waiting period. No registration. Can open carry anywhere without problem as long as it's not a "gun free zone" ccw needs a license though.
>>693953741
>Because a 'sensible' citizen like Mark Manes could easily get a gun if guns were made hard to get
>stop the supply
>ruin the dealer
Because if Mark Manes is able to obtain and sell guns to people who are "too young" so easily, then it's totally his buyers who are the problem
>>693954148
>>693951934
No wouldn't have thought that necessary.
Obviously guns though, they're incredibly deadly and pose no other use than killing and harming things.
>>693953395
Say they head a defense contracting company and need to supply their employees, which is plausible. Also, someone with no arms CAN buy a car. Usually the state provides a caretaker and if someone wants to be chauffeured around and they have the means to make it happen why prevent them.
Our rights are implicit and shouldn't be dictated by our level of physical well being. Now if someone is fucking crazy then we could try to regulate their behaviours.
Denying someone their rights based on their physical characteristics is how we create second class citizens to exploit.
>A vast majority of guns used in 16 recent mass shootings, including two guns believed to be used in the Orlando attack, were bought legally and with a federal background check.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/03/us/how-mass-shooters-got-their-guns.html?_r=0
>>693949910
>we won't need to come save your faggot asses anymore
Implying you ever did to begin with. retard
>>693954292
>lets ban guns
>now what do we do with the ones in peoples hands?
If they try to take them by hand, there are going to be a fuckton of dead officers, IF the officers cooperate
>>693952683
>basically as inoffensive a gun as there is
way to go for making the gun control argument so cogent - this is as inoffensive as they get - and is used in a mass killing. ban em all, sounds like a good idea.
>>693954292
Again, you do it eliminate the core of the problem, only a means. A phychopath wanting to kill won't just fucking give up if he's denied a gun purchase, he'll just go steal a gun
And as it was said before banning all guns is moronic and will not ever happen
>>693954107
Let's assume this would've saved lives (pretty big assumption, but murrica)
>how many life's would've been lost due to school schootings
>killing sprees in malls
>ghetto shootings
Etc
Wake up, man. Get real education, not that cucky shit you murrilards call edukashon
>>693950285
>letting the jews from the gun factory win
Its like you want to give them more money.
>>693954453
if she didn't have them then neither would he
>>693951962
> pretending your own country isn't overrun by niggers and spiks and there are areas in your own country that you wouldn't even dare to go because you're white
>>693954444
I wasn't arguing that, I was arguing that stricter gun laws wouldn't have stopped him because he stole the guns
>>693950369
>USA's KDR was wayyy better than russia's
Literally 9/10 Nazis were killed by the russians you fag
>>693954414
yes. you are reading that correctly and every judge and scholar in the last 200 plus ye
>>693951965
Murder is illegal.
Guns aren't and often it's the guns that facilitate the murder.
The remove the guns and fewer murders will happen.
It's really simple when you think about it isn't it?
>>693954148
They already had a military structure to prevent and defend invasion in the constitution. The amendment was added because they wanted to clarify the common mans right to arms as they know they never would have successfully rebelled without it.
>>693954679
He would have gotten them somewhere else faggot.
Also do you know what an IED is? Try banning those idiot
>>693952699
>We get a freedom most people will never enjoy,
just what is this special "freedom" that you have? apart from the freedom to die of curable diseases, and starvation, and shoot each other? I don't know but my freedom to health care at no cost seems to make me feel a lot freer than your freedom to live in fear.
>>693954270
As soon as the person that bought them gave them to minors, they were illegal..
Try telling a judge when you're standing in front of him some that that it's Bull Shit..
>>693954612
>http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/03/us/how-mass-shooters-got-their-guns.html?_r=0
thank you
>>693951591
see
>>693954612
https://podricing.pw/posts/478303
Disclaimer: I used to be for a 100% gun ban and confiscation.
âI have lived in the USA and Iâve lived in the UK. The UK has very little gun violence and I much prefer their laws. Maybe the USA will always have gun problems because things can be smuggled in from Mexico very easily and the UK is an isolated island.â
Sort of yeah, sort of no. UK has less violence where a firearm is used than the US, but there are different reasons. Itâs true the UK is a small island and itâs harder to get guns onto it because of that. But, it still happens. On planet earth where firearms exist there are three groups of people. Law makers and enforcers, (Government and Cops) law abiders, (you and me) and law breakers (criminals). After the UK had their gun laws go into affect there was a sharp rise in violent crime against the law abiders because the law breakers were now aware that the law abiders were no longer legally allowed to own the inanimate object that a person would effectively defend themselves with.
http://www.mintpressnews.com/the-facts-that-neither-side-wants-to-admit-about-gun-control/207152/
http://crimeresearch.org/2013/12/murder-and-homicide-rates-before-and-after-gun-bans/
>>693954107
okey doke but when was the last time a basement dwelling autistic cuck walked into a french school and gunned down a bunch of children ?
>>693953350
I can tell that you are young. If something is difficult, I guess we shouldnt bother doing it. Getting a weapon is hard so I guess I wont go kill people. Going to the moon is hard, so I guess we shouldnt do it. Fighting for our freedom is hard, so I guess we should all just be slaves. Working for a living is hard, so we should all be bums.
If something is hard, and you believe in it, you will find a way regardless. I'm pretty sure no one goes out and shoots 20 people on a lark. They do it for deep seeded reasons that would allow them to overcome the difficulties of getting a firearm.
You idiots don't understand that "a well regulated militia" means gun regulations and gun control!
It means that not anybody can just have a gun, it has to be REGULATED!
>>693954827
KDR not total kills phaggot.
>>693954863
>He would have gotten them somewhere else faggot.
prove it
IED's are already illegal.
>>693954880
>citing New York Times
Oh so you're a cuck is that it?
>>693950636
They do in nevada
>>693954584
Statistical analysis will tell you that cars kill more people than gun violence, multiple time more. Should cars be illegal?
>>693950508
As a Mexican, you my friend are a complete retard.
I live in the US now because citizenship. But when I lived in Hermosillo Sonora guess who had guns? All the fucking criminals. Guess who they shot; who they exploited? Everyone else.
There is a ton of guns in Mexico and guess what? It's straight out illegal to own any gun in Mexico. We have prolific gun deaths there. I wish I had a gun to defend myself while in Mexico.
>>693948105
Dude why do you care? Just sit back and watch those shitheads kill each other and enjoy it
>>693954915
And even though nowadays with the gun ban there are guns you and I can pick up in London that American gun hobbyists would be envious ofâĤ
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/rise-in-deadly-submachine-guns-on-london-streets-a3226126.html
âĤthere is another problem with firearms that makes banning their import onto a small island pretty useless. Itâs also something that I only learned a small while ago myself, which is that guns in general are actually pretty easy to make! All in the comfort of your home.
http://liverdyne.50megs.com/images/smg01.jpg
http://i2.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/000759/759631.jpg
You can make full-auto weapons in your home with pretty simple tools and some sheet metal, or recycle the metal from old tools. Right now, anyone in the UK can make an AK47 out of a shovel. And so can you!
http://www.northeastshooters (dawt) com/vbulletin/threads/179192-DIY-Shovel-AK-photo-tsunami-warning!?p=2695046&viewfull=1#post2695046
https://thechive (dawt) com/2012/12/06/apparently-you-can-make-an-ak-47-out-of-just-about-anything-25-photos/
>>693953381
> acting like an edgelord
> Unable to form an argument
> Being retarded
>>693954873
Are you dense? This completely invalidates the false claims about how illegal weaponry would render gun laws useless. BECAUSE ILLEGAL WEAPONS STILL. WERE BOUGHT IN FUCKING WALMARTS.
Murrican education is on one level with African bongowongo, I swear
>>693954944
>The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed
Forgot that part champ
>>693955065
The ban is pointless since according to the data all it did was increase the leverage law breakers had over law abiders, So you could just go home and make full-auto firearms out of junk and tools, and the gun ban canât stop you. If you, a non-crazy person goes home and makes one of these guns today all it means that if a nutcase breaks into your house in the dead of night to rape or murder you, you have a chance to defend yourself, where as before you had none. (Or a very small chance if youâre RIPPED.)
âI donât have the answers to gun control laws, but there are mass shooting pretty much every month. Something new needs to be done instead of ignoring the problem.â
I 200% agree with you, but thereâs something you need to know that I sort of dawned on me a few years ago. You and I can cry and beg and plead with the government to take away every civil right and human right we have and tragedies will still happen. We recently broke our record with most people killed by a single gunman at one time, and we will break that record too. No matter how many of your civil rights or human rights of yours you beg the government to take from you, we will still break that record given time. Maybe it will be next Tuesday or maybe it will be ninety three years from today, but we will break that record given enough time simply because laws cannot prevent tragedies from happening.
>>693955000
no but you are if you need to own guns in this big scary world we live in.
>>693948105
>Why would tyrannical government not just bomb you?
Because no one wants to rule over a country of corpses and destroyed businesses you twat
>Protection
Banning guns from good people does not ban them from bad people, this confuses the twat
>Make them less widely available
For good people, see bad people have a whole lot of ways to get guns bad ways, like illegal dealings and black market trades; these exist for bad people because they're bad, you twat
>Constitutional rights being laughed at
Sweden detected, enjoy living in a cucktatorship, twat
>>693954999
>he didn't own any guns, so he stole them from his mom
Is it that much of a leap in logic to think he couldn't have done this to anybody else retard?
>>693955160
Now going forward with that thought in our minds, is there anything we can do? YES. Right now, today, there is a shit ton of things we can do to bring down the rate of violent crime in the US and we are not doing them. The biggest factors are poverty, mental health and education. In the US there is a gulf between the poorest folk and the ruling class. We live under capitalism. You do not have a choice in the matter of work. You work for whoever decides to say yes to hiring you and shut up and donât ask for more than what they decide to pay you because if you ask for more they can just fire and replace you with the billion other people who are on the street looking for work. It does not matter if what they decide to pay you is something a person can live on, thatâs your problem and not theirs. And you have to fix that problem somehow! Far too many have no choice in whether they want to turn to a life of crime or not. Everyoneâs gotta eat.
Iâm sure I donât need to explain this one, our mental health system is a laughing stock of the first world, and crazy people donât care about our ban on murder.
And finally there is our education system, which again is a laughing stock of the first world. Our system turns out stupid citizens. Stupid people have less of a regard for the sanctity of human life. We need to fix this.
>>693953152
>mfw they already are banned from entering circulation and have been since the 80s
>>693950801
Fucking Christ I can't believe someone can be this retarded.
>hey guyz teh copz are in troubles! Lets join em and fight da shooter!
>oh gad swat teams shooting us now! We're on ya side brah!
You NEVER under any circumstances try to assist officers during a firefight. That's a surefire way to cause confusion and unnessasery casualties.
>>693954842
If we removed niggers, than almost all crime would disappear. why don't we sterilize or ban niggers?
>>693954294
FUUUCCKKK !! Do you people even have brains.
Yes, and the pizza guy illegally gave the gun to the fucking nut-bag.
The pizza guy probably legally bought the gun, and would have passed any fucking background check that one would invent today. So nothing would change.
I'd love to play chess with some of you fuckers. You can seem to see what effect if any, your moves would make..
>>693955054
That's not an argument, Mexicans are subhumans it's in your dna to rape and kill each other!
>It's to defend myself against a tyrannical government!
If that's the case, then why do you love your country so much, if you live in fucking fear of it? How is it going to turn against you?
Will your Military turn against its own people?
>If yes.
Then why worship them?
>If no.
Then you've nothing to worry about.
>We need guns to stop other criminals
Learn how to manage society better and you won't have a large number of druggies and degenerates running the streets.
>There'd be less mass shootings if responsible gun holders are armed
There's a group of 200 people. 10% of those are carrying legally held firearms and are responsible owners.
5 gunmen enter the crowd and open fire.
1 responsible gun owner returns fire.
Then 2, then 3,
before you know it, there is 25 armed people exchanging fire. How the fuck does the 20 responsible gun owners differentiate between each other and the criminals?
>but muh constitution!
>>693955302
> âThe CDC was banned from even studying the topic for some time. NRA lobbying for ya, eh?â
Yeah, I honestly donât know why this is. Itâs really fucking stupid because all that means is that literally everyone on planet Earth is allowed to read published violent crime data except CDC employees while on CDC payroll. You and I can go read this data. Literally anyone can. And people DO study the fuck out of it. Everybody (except for CDC employees lol) studies it like hell.
http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/data-docs.htm
https://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
http://www.law.uchicago.edu/files/files/41.lott_.final_.pdf
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13504851.2013.854294
So what the fuck is even the point of just not letting CDC employees study when literally everyone else on planet Earth can, and we know what they find when they do? I donât know. Itâs dumb.
>>693954867
that is because you are poor
>>693955200
>we should fight armed criminals with our fists like men!
Whatever you say cuck :')
>>693952699
>implying our freedoms are unique
>>693955148
2nd AMENDMENT
ie
2nd CHANGE
Thirty-three amendments to the United States Constitution have been proposed by the United States Congress and sent to the states for ratification since the Constitution was put into operation on March 4, 1789. Twenty-seven of these, having been ratified by the requisite number of states, are part of the Constitution.
tl;dr The Constitution has been changed 27 times.
>>693954927
Listen, I'm not a kid, and you seem like a reasonably smart guy.
So lets say you're right. Explain to me why school shootings happen only in the US.
And before you dig up some obscure link - yeah, a school shooting probably happened at some point somewhere else in the world, but I think we can agree that it's specific for the US.
>>693955407
> "I think assault rifles and such are already illegal. Making moves towards more gun banning would go against the âfounding fatherâsâ vision âĤ and they probably had a point. "
Actually no, they are not illegal! They were for a while (8 years I think?) but it didnât change anything. So the ban was not renewed when it expired.
https://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/assault-weapons-ban-failed/2014/09/14/id/594500/
People who wanted a fully automatic weapon during the ban could just still make one in their home for cheap, or buy one on the newly created black market which gets created by prohibition of inanimate objects. Anyone here ever read about the old alcohol prohibition America had and what a joke that was? Or how about the weed prohibition we currently have?
> âBut part of me thinks banning guns 100% would probably be a good thing. I donât know where to stand to be honest.â
Oh, well I guess that just goes back to what I was saying about prohibition. Mentioning prohibition as a thing in reality that works is the same as occupation. If youâre not one for history, what I mean by this is that If someone in power is trying to fix a problem and as a solution to the problem a word like âprohibitionâ or âoccupationâ comes out of their mouth, then the result is a room full of onlookers facepalming as a small bit of their soul dies inside. Prohibition of an object does not work and does the exact opposite of what you are trying to accomplish. Sending your army to occupy a land as a means of conquering it does not work and does the exact opposite of what you are trying to accomplish.
>>693955295
Even if he had stolen them elsewhere, WHERE DID THOSE PEOPLE GET THHE FROM.
Less guns equals less availability equals less shootings. Murrican education, holy flying fucks are you guys retarded
>>693953193
>what are burglars, murderers, and the government?
Three different things.
>what is 80% of the crimes done with illegal weapons?
Non lethal?
>what is a constitution?
A body of laws passed by a legislature to govern a country, which can be amended, rescinded, or revoked, by the legislature as necessary. It is a piece of paper with words on it, not a fucking stone slab engraved by God,
Now tell me how these three answers help you make whatever point you were trying to make?
>>693955497
Also you gotta unpack what youâre suggesting here. In order to do what you think should be done, what youâre saying is that the government needs to send armed forces to invade the private homes of an incredibly gigantic (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-three-americans-own-guns-culture-factor-study-finds-n384031) number of people and take their firearms from them by force. These human beings are all, since they are apparently compliant with an Orwellian firearm registry which somehow exists, have never committed a violent felony, which is evidenced by them being allowed to own a firearm because in the US people who commit violent felony are not allowed to own firearms.
Youâre saying that armed government soldiers should attack the homes of one in three human beings who have already be proven to literally never have hurt anyone other than in self defence in their entire lives and take those human being firearms by force. That is what you are saying by this, I donât think you realized that is what you are saying, but that is what that means.
> âI think it is a shame that Americans have to live in a society where a gun is something that makes a person feel safe.â
Aw, that makes me sad. I like the security and piece of mind that comes with firearms, bicycle helmets, and fire extinguishers. Or life jackets when Iâm on a boat. They make me feel like Iâm just being an adult correctly, and acknowledging that Iâm in the real world and that while absolutely horrific things will happen I can make choices to better prepare myself to manage them. As long as the government lets me, of course.
>>693954414
>>693954148
Ay, Constitutional Scholars.
Except you're wrong. Read the Federalist Papers; Madison makes it clear that the right to bear arms is specifically protection from the Government.
"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation... Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."
Hamilton agreed:
"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government."
"Let us recollect that peace or war will not always be left to our option; that however moderate or unambitious we may be, we cannot count upon the moderation, or hope to extinguish the ambition of others. ...The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
"...but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights..."
Washington did too, speaking to Congress:
"A free people ought not only to be armed but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well digested plan is requisite: And their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories, as tend to render them independent on others, for essential, particularly for military supplies."
>>693955429
I guess you must be too poor to live anywhere but the ghetto. Sucks to be you
>>693955148
yeah, the people who are the fucking militia!
>>693955471
That doesn't prove it ought to be changed idiot, only that it's possible
>>693953193
>my mindset is different, it must inherently be better than yours!
I did not say that - but I did say that someone with a different mindset will not think your rhetorical questions are an effective form of arguing. but since you are making entirely illogical leaps and cannot spell "government" i suspect that I have a better education and better logical ability - if you think that is superior, then go ahead.
>>693955618
>Ay, Constitutional Scholars.
see
>>693955471
The Constitution was made to be changed
>>693955542
So what's your proposal to magically make all the guns in the world disappear moron?
>>693955345
What the fuck
Don't you get it? That illegal weaponry fairytail is retarded. If no one has weapons, they CANT GIVE THEM AWAY ILLEGALLY. For fucks sake, bra.
And don't even start with illegal imports, since nevertheless less availability == less shootings.
>>693955745
well get ready for some changes Jethro
>>693955584
>A body of laws passed by a legislature to govern a country, which can be amended, rescinded, or revoked, by the legislature as necessary. It is a piece of paper with words on it, not a fucking stone slab engraved by God,
>implying that does not entirely undermine the reason of being of the constitution
>>693948105
When will you Britbongs realize you need to stick with the EU?
>>693955789
You change it with a constitutional convention not by legislating over it.
>>693955407
You'd literally have to be raised in a country of criminals to even bother making one of those.
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>>693954082
You 3 perfectly sum up what's wrong with the American mentality. If someone is blind why would you ever think it suitable for them to get a fucking gun. What next? Allow them to fly a fighter jet because they've got a right to work and it would be against equal rights to prevent them?
It will never cease to make me laugh that this can happen in America, if you didn't laugh you'd cry.
>>693955631
>criminals only attack poor people
Nice logic there little guy
>>693953314
good question - what are they used for except suicide and murder? yep, ban handguns, good idea.
>>693955618
Mason:
"And we do each of us, for ourselves respectively, promise and engage to keep a good firelock in proper order, and to furnish ourselves as soon as possible with, and always keep by us, one pound of gunpowder, four pounds of lead, one dozen gunflints, and a pair of bullet moulds, with a cartouch box, or powder horn, and bag for balls."
"I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole body of the people except for a few public officials. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them..."
READ THE LAST ONE AGAIN.
>"I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole body of the people except for a few public officials. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them..."
This is why taking the guns away isn't going to fucking happen.
More quotes:
Mason: "That the people have a Right to mass and to bear arms; that a well regulated militia composed of the Body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper natural and safe defense of a free State..."
Mason: "[W]hen the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, [Sir William Keith] who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually, by totally disusing and neglecting the militia."
Henry: "Have we the means of resisting disciplined armies, when our only defense, the militia is put in the hands of Congress?"
Henry: "They tell us that we are weakâunable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Three million people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us."
I can do this all day.
>over 300 million guns registered in America
>11,200 homicides in America
What is the fucking problem?
>>693955980
11,200 last year
>>693955858
Haha nah, would never happen as stated several times above.
>>693955338
Because black lives matter
>>693952699
>We get a freedom most people will never enjoy
Yeah, it's exclusive to you and only 150 other countries.
>>693955485
The problems arise from issues with the shooter, not the gun. You seem to be claiming that reducing the availability of the weapon will stop us from killing, but, in the history of our species, that has NEVER worked. When a killer arises, they find a way to kill. The problem is somewhere else, not in the weapon. You, and I, should be addressing what causes the killer to want to kill, not the tool he uses. The best theory I have on why it seems to be prevalent in the US is my society's obsession with fame. They can get their 15 minutes of fame and have the world look at them. They can be seen, and even looked up to by people. They can have their name echo on the lips of everyone who ever ignored them. That's just a theory though, I cannot know for certain why they do it. You seem to be blaming the gun, and that cannot be the issue. Even in modern times killers have used other tools to rack up death tolls well beyond 30-40 people. The issue is the killer and we have to talk about why in order to fix it. The focus on the tool keeps us from putting the energy forth to fix the root problem.
>>693955847
Where I live its pretty much impossible to legally own them, which is why we have way less violent crimes (I.e. shootings). So I'd say, make all of them hand them over, ban them and keep an eye on black market for a decade, because it will take a long time for murricans to get used to this. Wait a generation or two and you will see the benefits.
>>693955974
Good luck trying, how would you try to take away people's guns?
People with guns no doubt. Oh fuck wait, you don't believe in using guns, oh shit what's your plan?
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>>693954915
DEAR EUROPEANS, PLEASE READ THIS.
YOU HAVE BETTER COUNTIES THAN THE US. THE US IS SHIT. YOU EUROPEANS NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE US IS NOT A GREAT COUNTRY. THE GOVERNMENT OF FRANCE OR GERMANY COULD PERSONALLY HAND OUT A FIREARM TO EVERY ONE OF THEIR CITIZENS AND IT WOULD NOT CHANGE ANYTHING BECAUSE OF THESE THREE THINGS:
>European countries do not have as huge of a gulf that exists between the working poor and the ruling rich
>European mental health systems are wonderful and the US's mental health system is the laughing stock of the first world
>European educational systems are wonderful and the US's educational system is the laughing stock of the first world
EUROPEANS, IF WE KEPT OUR GUNS AND HAD YOUR ECONOMIES, YOUR MENTAL HEALTH SYSTEMS, AND YOUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEMS, WE WOULD BE JUST AS WELL OFF AS YOU ARE, but we would also have our guns still, so oppressed minorities would be very very difficult to oppress and there would be an equality of power between the governed and government.
>>693953899
Eh? The Germans didn't kill their own ppl
>>693954987
The US' KDR is only good because the cowardly USA waits until the other countries have done the hard work, then move in at the last minute and claim the "victory".
Proving evident by America's late entry to the war, 2 and a half years after everybody else.
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