>>693778979

OP is literal Autisim

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>>693779338

Yes I know that. However I would like to at least attempt to be a normie. I can't stand this dead end life any more. I want to have at least a few people who would be genuinely sad if I suddenly died.

>>693778979
I think that worrying too much about these things is what would make you look like a weird/awkward guy to outsiders.. but let's see:

1) That really depends on the circumstances man. Generally I'd cross it, but now that I think about it, I always have something in one hand, and I just put my other hand in my pocket. Hanging by your side would be the most awkward among these 3 options I'd say, but even If I saw someone doing it, I wouldn't think too much about it.

2) This also depends on the circumstances, but moving your feet or tapping on desk would seem like you are anxios and/or waiting for something, or perharps that you are feeling tense.

3) Have a normal conversation with the hairdresser. Any of you can start one I think.

4) Now this is troublesome, I find myself struggling with it as well, but what I've noticed is that if you are the one telling a story, then you don't have to look in the eyes of the other person, but If you're the one listening, then I'd say you do that.

5) Doesn't really matter I think. If it is more personal, then call, if not so much, then text.

6) Since it's so common to have one, people might think that you are sort of an odd one, like a loner or something. If it wasn't for the chat, I wouldn't have one either.

bumping for ya

>>693779798

Thank you anon.

Though I must say I always thought the arms hanging by your side was the least awkward position. I'm most comfortable crossing my arms, but someone has commented in the past that it makes me look unapproachable. Often I look around my class (100+ people) and see that I'm the only one crossing my arms and it makes me feel like I'm doing something wrong.

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I hate getting haircuts the fucking hairdresser wants to know right down to the fucking gradient you want your hair cut.

If you tell them you just want a haircut they look at you like your fucking retarded.

>>693779798

Also I cannot stop moving. Whenever I stand completely still it makes me extremely anxious. I guess I'm just trying to determine what is the least awkward way to move my body while sitting.

Normies seem to like tapping their foot a lot so I've been doing that .

>>693780079
Yeah I heard that one too, but like I said it depends on the circumstances. If you are telling a story, then you tend to( subconciously) wave your hand around a bit. But since I'm comfortable around my friends, I put them in my pocket or just cross them

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>>693780270

Man just do what you feel comfortable with fuck normies

>>693780443

But anon, they are so judgmental. You know as well as I that nobody is going to be friends with the weird guy except other autists.

I just want some normal friends. Someone to talk about ball games and play ball games with, or whatever normies do.

>>693780270
It can get tricky, because ( that's just my theory, but) people ALWAYS judge someone on the first sight, and they immediately categorise them. So If you would look like a weird, neet guy at first sight, all your little faults and messed up social interactions would enhance to them that yes, this is someone to avoid/not bother with.

However, If you are an okay person at first sight, people tend to ignore your faults, and you'd have to mess up big time, to drop down to the "not even worth bothering with" category.

>>693778979
You need therapy, you have aspergers or some other kind of autism that's super similar. It's not a big deal; they actually know how to help you integrate.

It's because of 1(which is actually sort of normal but in conjunction with) 3 and 4 that I'm nearly 100% sure. It's not a big deal, nothing to be ashamed of, and doesn't change who you actually are. Good luck.

>>693780079
body language tells with crossing of arms that you don't want to be approached so it's kinda hard to pull of if you don't have friends that get you just roll like that

>>693780191
they want to make it so you would like it. you can ask them to make a haircut that would suit your face, head type

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Normie here

>1) What do you do with your arms? It seems every position I take with my arms (crossed, hanging by my side, in pockets) is awkward and makes me extremely self conscious.

No one else cares, they're not paying attention to your arms, maybe look at what other people are doing if you don't know

>2) Is it normal to constantly be moving even when sitting still? Like, moving your feet, or tapping on my desk?

No

>3) What face should I make when getting a haircut?

Hahaha, I think about this too, but again it doesn't matter, just think about all the people you see every day and how weird and retarded they are, no one's calling them out for having an incorrect face during a haircut. For the person cutting your hair it's just their job, you're one of like 100's of people they're seeing that week, they don't care about you, it doesn't matter

>4) How much eye contact is warranted in normal everyday conversation? Should I be looking into my interlocutor's eyes 100% of the time, or less than that?

Just try not to think about it too much, focus on whatever you're trying to accomplish at that time, don't worry so much about it

>5) Do normies prefer calling or texting? I feel like texting is the hip thing right now, but I've seen some of them in my class take calls. Are there some conversations that are inappropriate for texting?

It's whatever you prefer, stop caring about what they want, and also don't use the word "hip". Conversations that are inappropriate for texting? I don't think so, idk

>6) Is it normal not to have a facebook? I feel like a significant portion of normies don't have facebook. I really hate social media and I would rather not have an account if I can avoid it. I think I can get away with making up some excuse like I don't agree with their privacy policy or something-- would people think this is weird?

You don't have to have any excuse, I have a facebook but I don't really use it anymore, I haven't in like 5 years

>>693778979

1.) Never cross your arms, it's symbolic of being anti-social.

2.) Avoid constantly moving, it makes you look hyperactive and autistic.

3.) ...I don't know just a normal fucking face.

4.) Not 100% of the time, occasionally look away and don't glare into people's irises.

5.) Only call people if it's an urgent thing or a very personal one between you and the other person. In every other case, just text.

6.) No, you don't need Facebook. But it'd help in getting friends probably.

>>693782078
This OP
Closest thing to a normie response you'll get here

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>>693778979

1) if i'm alone walking on the street i cross my arms very hard, if i'm with people i know i place my hands behind my head, if i speak to ppl i lift my hands in the air, nobody ever commented my arms position so i think it's ok

2) yes it is

3) smile very hard, i do this all the time, great success + the cute barbergirl find me cool this way

4) 100%, open your eyes wide, everybody do that

5) both, if you want to tell something short, text, if it's long and you need quick answer then call

6) the new hip is google +

>>693781595
probably just see a pro yeah

>>693782398
Autism

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OP just get a fucking waifu, a body pillow of said waifu and a bunch of video games and enjoy the NEET life.

>>693778979
1) smoke cigs

2) smoke weed

3) snort cocain

4) inject heroin

5) kill babies

6) pet some kitten

life is easy

>>693778979
stop judging yourself...
people will judge you but it does not matter because they all are judging themself like everyone else

>>693778979
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/formally-recognize-black-lives-matter-terrorist-organization

>>693778979
For the social media one, having facebook isn't necessarily a must buy if you don't have it you would need a different platform to socialise on

ITT Social retards giving advice to a social retard.

Just kill yourself. Do yourself a favor. You will never be normal.

>>693782694
You're obviously a shining example of a normie. The only people who tell others to kill themselves pessimistically are autists.

>>693782856
And proud of it :D

>>693780270
Standing still doesn't make you anxious, constant moving takes the edge off the anxiety you feel. Maybe work on the anxiety itself, get some therapy, CBT can be relatively quick and inexpensive, and works more on self-management than years of 'tell me about your childhood' shit.

>>693782620

sometimes if you meet a girl they might ask for your facebook, and when you tell them you dont have one, they will think youre a weird and thats the end of it.

in some ways facebook is a big deal, i guess they want to check if youre a normie or a loser. i have a facebook but with no friends on it and no pics, just use it to look at other people.

Eye contact when you are listening to someone shows you are listening. Breaking eye contact when you are speaking is more comfortable for the listener, but don't look away constantly as that just makes you look evasive or shifty.

>>693781595

Can't afford therapy. I would have to justify that to my parents and they are having to sell their house to afford a bankruptcy as it is.

>>693782304

What is a 'normal' face? You mean, a relaxed face? My relaxed face makes me look depressed/angry.

>>693783059

It's not anxiety per se. It's almost like a biological compulsion to move. Like a more subtle Parkinson's. I don't think any amount of therapy is going to fix it.

>>693783222
Trips can't save you from the fact that fb recently changed their privacy so that anyone can see your profile, not just your friends. If you have an account with no friends then yes, you are going to look like a fake stalker.

>>693783264
>but don't look away constantly as that just makes you look evasive or shifty.

attractive women do this shit to me ALL THE FUCKING TIME for some reason. if a girl is attractive, i expect this to happen 99% of the time.

fatties and mutants dont mind the eye contact though. weird.

3) just a neutral, relaxed face wtf, or just start a conversation. I have never even thought about this

4) not 100%, that's creepy and can make the person feel uncomfortable. Interrupt the eye contact occasionally. I would say 70% eye contact time.

>>693783339
OK. Sorry to hear about the parents, that isn't pleasant. With the moving, is there a feeling associated with it? You did say anxious if you are still, so that is the 'way in' for you to understand it a bit more and begin to manage it. Sometimes it takes a lot of attention to see what the feeling really is.

>>693783395
Depends which way members of the opposite sex (or gay) look away. If they make eye contact then look down, it means they fancy you. If they look away to the side, no interest.

>>693783395
Or if you are 100% eye contact all the time it might just be a bit intense. Fatties might like the attention and muties dgaf.

>>693778979
U literal retard fag

1: depending on the situation if im in a circle with my friends, usually just in my pockets, if im sitting, crossed arms. I tend to use my hand a lot when talking so they have a use so I don't feel weird talking to someone, also stand up straight
2: i usually just shake my knee up and down or just cross my legs, not the "femine" way.
3: Just neutral, I for some reason make a slight raised eyebrow.
4: Try to for 80%, I sometimes don't even face my friends when im talking, don't do this with strangers, it may seem rude.
5: Texting is normal, lotta people don't call each other unless its an emergency.
6: Not sure about this one but Im a normie fag, had a fb back in middle school, currently have a twitter too. Just hope on FB to check shit and not post.

>>693778979

Just wanted to thank you for that pic, OP.

Actually laughed a bit... on /b/, after 2007.

Shocking.

>>693783339
if youre american you can get it for free, unless you have a high paying job. you dont have to be homeless for medicaid

>>693783766
>If they make eye contact then look down, it means they fancy you.

i never really paid attention to which way they look. i just really fucking notice they dont make eye contact with me and just look at down at the fucking register (if a cute cashier) or never look at me directly if somewhere else.

i will keep this in mind next time it happens though.

>which will probably be tomorrow, or even today.

>>693784053

Thanks, it's my OC.

>>693784226

I can't go on medicaid since I consider these programs immoral.

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>>693784543
>I can't go on medicaid since I consider these programs immoral.

>>693778979
only can tell from my own point of view but I try to help

1) I keep them in my pockets when standing and let them hanging by my side while walking

2) yes, nothing wrong with that. But keep it as discretely as possible

3) the same face you make while sitting in front of your PC. Just don't think much about it

4) I would recommend 60-70%, especially when they are talking. The rest of the time you can look slightly next to them.

5) I personally prefer texting, so I can think more before I have to answer

6) No, it would've been weired a couple of years ago, but FB just turned into shit. You can argue with things like "only companies on fb, got a lot of other channels to interconnect with people" etc. if you feel like you need an excuse

hope I could help a little. Don't consider myself as a normie either, but I get along pretty good >irl

>>693784543
but you would pay taxes, and that's the point of taxes, right? Your family that takes care of you pays them. That money isn't conjured from nowhere. People PAY FOR IT so it can be USED. What's really immoral is to let the entire program be used by the people who you imagine to be taking advantage of the system(which is a real number of people) and not help someone like you who wants to become a productive member of society.

If you honestly GENUINELY FEEL THAT WAY, then here's a real option people don't know about: keep track of the costs of your treatment and CUT THE GOVERNMENT A CHECK. THEY WILL CASH IT, THIS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME WITH PEOPLE WHO TOOK WELFARE OR FOOD STAMPS. I'm completely serious.

Just get help, man.

>>693784355
What do you look like, OP? (Not asking for pic.) Are you presentable, reasonably dressed? If so, then your questions about eye contact and anxiety/movement make me think you might be coming across as weird in your body language. Read up on it, how to put people at ease and not appear threatening, how to build rapport with subtle mirroring, etc. Smiling, being relaxed and easy (I know, maybe not easy to do) all help. But do read up on body language in communication skills. There's probably youtube vids about it.

>>693784782
So much this. The govt want you to be a functioning and productive member of society, working and paying taxes. If you take medicaid, consider it a loan and pay them back. If you get a few CBT sessions it won't be a huge amount.

>>693778979

asking that on /b/ is like me going to a BLM protest and asking them to behave like humans.

You gonna be disappointed.

>>693783059
CBT is bullshit quack medicine tier and should be avoided like smelly niggers
OP, go introspective with psychadelics to get a better grip on what (your) reality is and start lifting, everything else is a waste of time
You'll learn best by doing, perseverence is the key to success

>>693784959
Plus it could change your life.

It could also fail to change your life, but, hey, OP, you need to do it. We pay our taxes to take care of guys like you. You think I give a shit about roads? I want to pay to operate an institution that 98% takes from me and 2% gives back? WE WANT YOU to be okay.

>>693784804
>What do you look like, OP?

im not OP. just some random anon that popped into this thread when i noticed the post about eye contact.

Well, i been called handsome, cute, (and even hot, but only by fat or ugly girls) so I dont think Im ugly.

So... sometimes I do think that girls MAY find me attractive and thats why they look away. But sometimes I think its something else, like they think Im ugly or not good enough for them.

I have no problem getting average looking women to like me. Its the attractive ones that are complete fucking cunts to talk to. And yes, they dont even like to make eye contact for some reason.

>>693784782

I'm not opposed to voluntary help I just don't want to be the willing recipient of stolen wealth.

Honestly I think you guys are exaggerating this a bit too much. I can hold a decent conversation with a normie, it's not like I NEVER talked to people. I can blend in pretty well if I'm concentrating hard enough. I just have a few glaring quirks that are preventing me from graduating to full normiehood.

>>693778979
I don't understand much about normie shit either bro but when it comes to always moving around and that i usually just move my toes around so nobody notices and breathe in patterns, works for me
good luck

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>>693785123
>quack medicine
>introspect with psychadelics and start lifting

>>693784979
>implying we don't all want to make it some day and most of us will try real hard just to see anyone who's willing to work for it get out of this hell
Fuck you, you cynical cunt and fuck your family

>>693785123
Not true. I'm a doc in another field and I've heard a lot of good reports from patients about CBT. And there is research.

>>693778979

>3) What face should I make when getting a haircut?

The one in your OP pic will do just fine

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>>693785314
>Honestly I think you guys are exaggerating this a bit too much.
hes too far gone

>>693785338
That's not even a smug anime face, I'm not sure what you're implying.
It's not like anon is wrong CBT is a fucking joke.

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>>693778979
I am a social retard, but I'm on the low end of the spectrum because I do have a live-in girlfriend of five years, and I go out on occasion these days. But from age 10 all the way to 25, I was almost a total shut-in, save for a few friends I'd hang with.

> 1. Don't over obsess about something as stupid as your arm. Just cross them if you need to do something with them.

>2. Don't be constantly moving around while sitting. Normies call that "fidgeting" and it makes people nervous, or it seems like you're an autist who can't pay attention.

>3. I close my eyes and just sit there. Sometimes I'll check the progress in the mirror. Keep a straight face, unless you want to make small talk with the stylist.

>4. 100% of the time is way too much. If someone is speaking directly to you for a short conversation, look them in the eyes, like a friend or family member. But not someone like a teacher. Be actively listening, but staring at him will make you look weird.

>5. Doesn't really matter if you call or text. Plenty of people do almost 80% texting, so that's kind of a personal preference on your end.

>6. Facebook is fading away slowly, so be trendy now and don't have you. Bitches like it when you don't give a fuck about social media.

>>693778979
1, depends. in conversation usually one hand clasped around the other wrist at just below my bellybutton.
2. no. sit still.
3. blank face
4. depends on the occasion. usually most of the time with a soft look, unless you thinking about something.
5. texting, unless you are close to each other i.e. parents, gf, etc.
6. no it is not. make a facebook, keep everything blank, just so you can use it to communicate with people.
you are automatically wierd if you dont have a FB

>>693785285
>complete fucking cunts to talk to

I've seen this where they think either a) you're not hot enough or b) you have enough presence for them to subliminally understand they can't manipulate you, and that pisses them off because they can't run their usual game.

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>>693783339
If your face is "always" angry, its because you probably have a lot of sadness/anger on the inside and its showing through your face via micro-expressions.

See this guy's face? He clearly expresses his hatred for nogs.

>>693785451
CBT is like fucking churopractics man, some say it's a miracle others say they just blew several grand on some con man to fist them in the back
CBT has no fucking scientific grounds, it's based on shitty post-modern theories of the human psyche
It's a quack science at best
It is about as effective as any other placebo -esque lies, it's really only about convincing the patient they magically confront and defeat their inner fears
I'd honestly recommend Yoga and meditation over CBT

>>693778979
1) You should do something that feels natural with your arms, but dont limp noodle them. Realistically speaking arm crossing typically means you are on the defensive. Theres times ill find myself going through a few different actions or using my hands with such things as a thumb under my belt. When walking dont ever do some stupid shit like both hands in your pockets, its unnatural to not have movement

2) I move a decent amount but I have a good amount of pent up energy a lot of the times. I feel like idle hands are terrible for me. If I have time to sit still and relax I have time to burn off energy, as for tapping or moving your feet its pretty normal.

3) Well realistically unless you are cutting your own hair or its someone extremely close you should stir some conversation. I dont think I have ever had anyone except a doctor directly servicing me in any ways without communication at some level. As for when listening obviously engage, and when its just idle I usually try to watch what they are doing while keeping a normal face.

4) I make strong eyecontact when listening to something serious or important. You shouldnt be looking at the ground or the ceiling or some shit, but as for looking around at things occuring, say you hear a loud noise ect ect then yeah, feel free to glance. You really shouldnt look away unless they are showing you something or actively pointing it out, maybe an occasional glance at surroundings. As for when talking, or talking to multiple people make strong eyecontact with the whole group. shift around and what not. There are times ill glance in certain directions as I move my hands with my speaking (typically the a sign of a great speaker)

>>693785935
Continued

5) If its information that doesnt warrant a conversation, or doesnt seem like it will take long, dont bother calling. I wouldn't call someone to say "hey im 5 minutes away from your house" if they know I am already heading there. Most people prefer texting not because it is "hip" so much as its easier to access the information that isnt directly relevant to current situation at their disclosure.

6) facebook is garbage for superficial morons. I literally have one for a means to follow specific news groups and to keep up on various activities I participate in (shooting, exercise, comic conventions, cars... list goes on). If someone questions why you don't have one just tell them its a waste of time and you dont care for it. Tell them you used to have one.

>>693785850
He looks smugly satisfied in that shot anon
>American History X was bretty gud tho

>>693778979
OP I have really bad social anxiety but I have the best solution tgat helped me overcome these obstacles similiar to you and get a girlfriend, a social life, and a job. Just one word : Xanax
Have fun champ

>>693785596
>I'm not sure what you're implying.
the implication is that i cannot handle the dichotomy of these statements; the schism is so-- did you click the gif?

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>>693786045
I have not been able to get on Xanax (no insurance) but I've heard its the miracle cure for social anxiety.

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Ever seen this show?
If not, watch it and emulate Vincent Chase.
Your social problems will be over

>>693785850

No I mean literally when I completely relax my face my eyebrows slightly slump downward toward my nose and my mouth forms a subtle frown, making me look annoyed/bitter. I have to physically hold my face into a particular position to make it look "normal", but then it becomes obvious that I'm doing it because my muscles are all tense. I'm not even ugly, that's just how its always been.

I would post a picture of my relaxed face but I'm sure you guys would make fun of me and my self esteem is sort of hanging by a rope as it is.

>>693785347

See anti social behavior. You will never get help on /b/

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>>693779475
Hahaha >>693779338
>>693779338
>>693779338
this.

just embrace it stop think so much and all will work out. im fellow equally autisted person who managed to get a gf and live da LIFE!

just practise breathing control/technique i promise all will work out, and you WILL know it.. peace

>>693783059
>>693785123
>>693785451
>>693785596
>>693785933
y do u all keep talking about cock and ball torture

I dont use that craap. Usually what i tell to people if they ask i have a facebook. You have to say it in a funny in order to not get backlash.

>>693786236
Just stop being so self consious.

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>>693786269

>>693786074
Oshit didn't notice it was a gif, I turned off autoplay and forgot to check it
Now I see what you're saying, and maybe it does come across that way, but I've seen a lot more good come from learning yourself and working towards a healthy inner state than this latest fad of the decade in psychotherapy
A healthy mind resides within a healthy body and all that jazz

>>693785935

>When walking dont ever do some stupid shit like both hands in your pockets

Oh fuck me this is literally my default position. I always suspected this looked bad.

Thing is I'm afraid of mirrors so I can't really judge myself how stupid I look. Thank you anon.

>>693782856
please kill yourself optimistically

>>693786483
It's wrong. Hands in pockets is completely normal. You can find COMPLETELY NORMAL PEOPLE, EVEN PSEUDOCELEBRITIES talking about how hard it is to figure out what to do with their hands if their clothes have no pockets. DO NOT LISTEN TO THAT WEIRDO, having your hands in your pockets is SUPER NORMAL

>>693786556
nice

>>693785935
>When walking dont ever do some stupid shit like both hands in your pockets, its unnatural to not have movement

Movement in your extremities while is a sign of low confidence, google it. It literally actually in real life makes you MORE LIKELY TO BE MUGGED if your arms are swinging.

>>693786171
Im sorry to hear that man. Prescription pain killers really work great too. Honestly it sucks because i know the shit your going through and My prescription really helped

Theres groups that are free in some areas that help people with anxiety (also social anxiety is apart of that) which are free. Youd be around other people who are going tgrough the same problems just trying to make friends.

The best mind set you need is to just not care. No one cares about how you look or talk really. There more worried about themselves. Just be friendly to people and be positive. Dont worry about making friends doing that will relieve the pressure of the entire thing and you will end up gaining relationships. Sorry for long posts i just want to share what ive learned because i know it sucks

>>693786306

>Just stop being so self consious

Literally how? It's all I ever think about. I can't choose to turn it off.

I'm trying to think of an analogy so that you can understand. You know when you think of an embarrassing moment, and you can't stop thinking about it? That's sort of what I go through all the time, except I'm always thinking about my mannerisms, my speech, the way I walk, the faces I make, etc. I genuinely do not know how people do all this shit subconsciously because it's entirely overwhelming for me.

>>693786171
It's a cure for caring about anything at all. Cannabis is better for anxiety(unless youre an unfortunate soul that reacts poorly)

>>693786709
while walking*

>>693786793
Lift, get in shape, learn yourself
You can even smoke pot or try antidepressants, just use it as a tool to get familiar with a more relaxed state and learn how to get there without the drugs

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>>693786793
You have to will yourself to stop giving a fuck. This is your challenge in life. Don't be a pussy and walk away from it. Fight it.

There is no ABC, 123 textbook definition of what to do in this situation. You have to just take some risks and put yourself into situations that you're not normally in. Dive in the deep end.

>>693786483
Its just natural to have motion. your arms should sway somewhat when you walk. You dont want to be that stiff as a board dude all the time. I used to have that problem a lot back in the day. Interestingly enough now I almost have a specific strut between how I walk and being a muscle-y dude.

On a side note, get a hobby, and start working out(doesnt have to be lifting, but here is my story with it) I started lifting and honestly, I am fucking great at it, was able to get big fairly easy, and was stronger than a lot of people my age who trained for sports and lifted for far longer than I did. I think you should get some decent time working out a week, even if its just like 3-4 hours a week, but you realistically need a hobby. You need to be able to put pride in something. Most people who are self conscious don't have many things they are good at, worked hard for, or can take pride in. Ergo the empty feeling. My social barrier essentially broke down when I would have people I didnt even know come up and ask about what kind of workouts, I had girls running up to me about my arms and shit. From Freshman year to Senior year I was 200% different. Still game and everything, but I do realize my life was drastically changed when I put myself out there and had pride. When you have common interests with people, its easier to talk to, because worst case scenario, you always have that one thing. It just sucks because sometimes you have to rebrand yourself.

>>693786709
>>693786594
Im not talking about occasionally doing it, but there is no reason whatsoever that 100% of the time you walk your hands are tethered down. Is it normal to do? absolutely, but clearly not something that is your fucking go to walk. I dont instantly lock my arms at my sides with hands in my pocket because I need to walk a short distance somewhere. Your body should definitely be fluid. I think you two are over analyze what I am trying to convey rather than add to it to help OP

>>693787072
so much this
OP, take his good advice and get your shit straight
It's up to you, nobody will hold your hand so take the bull by the horns and hang on tight

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>>693780191
Well I like when they ask a lot about what do you want, though it's not necessary now, cause I have my trusted hairdresser who knows what I like.
But one time I decided to go to the other one, gave her general idea and it turned out shit, so I like it more when they ask a lot.
Also knowing your hairdresser for longer makes small talks less akward since he knows what to talk to you about etc.

OP, you still here?

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What that anon said about psychedelics and lifting is true. If you want to fit in with a large swath of the normie/burnout/creative/mma/gymrat crowd just start listening to Joe Rogan. Weed is a nice social lubricant and a good introductory common ground for hanging out with likeminded people.
The people that judge you at least won't think that thousand yard stair of yours comes from being some some basement dwelling loser and just a fringe wastoid deep in speculation. Welcome to the club.

All these fucking retards that think lifting is the answer to everything, go back to fit. Listen op, STOP. GIVING. A. FUCK. when you're walking down the street or some shit do you pay close attention to every single person that walks past? No. Not everyone is looking at you and and judging your social inability.

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>>693789122

yeah but... do you even lift bro?

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>>693785123
These anons have some solid advice for you OP, hope you're seeing this

>>693789122
$5 says this anon is butthurt from satisfying his ex gymbro bf
man up and quit being such a whiny faggot anon

>>693786709
Also hands in pocket is for pick pockets not muggers... so yeah nothing to do with confidence or a deterrent lol. Its actually looked at as something a liar or someone of low confidence is doing, essentially trying to hide or avoid situations. its not a confident ploy unless perched in specific positions. Spreading out in specific situations is indeed a sign of confidence but nothing about walking. Its complete sperg to walk like that nonstop.

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>>693778979
1. If you're sitting you can put them on your thighs or knees, or a table and lowkey fiddle with them like you're not nervous just bored. If you're standing you can rotate between putting them in your pockets crossing them or making gestures while talking. I have long hair so I also use them to get my hair out of my eyes.

2. Standing too still is weird, all movement is alright as long as you can pull it off and it looks natural. Tapping feet is one thing but get into the rythm so it doesn't look like you're a robot doing it compulsively. You ever seen people "bounce" a little in their seats while talking or listening?

3. I fucking hate the thought of going to a hairdresser so I just cut my own hair. It's not that hard watch some jewtube videos

4. Practice looking like you're interested in whatever the person you're having a conversation with is saying, and look into their eyes like that while they're talking. If you're talking feel free to look around like you're thinking and your mind is hunting for things to say.

5. Calling if you need something personal or right now. I guess most of them just message on facebook nowadays, too much texting is seen as weird.

6. It's alright not to have a facebook. If you look like a confident independent person some normies even think you're cool for not having one. Just say something like "everyone is trying too hard to be interesting on social media" in a way that's not too condescending. Most normies are aware of this they just can't live withot facebook so they continue using it. Have a skype though many normies use it for messaging, it's a bit obnoxious on PC, but it's not a social network at least.

Signed and sealed former normie who became a shut in neet and has two friends in the world.

>>693788300

Yes I am. Though I may occasionally have to take some breaks. I'll still read everything posted in this thread.

>>693786709
It's not just about your arms anon, it's about your gait as a whole.
Do you walk with purpose and confidence or are you cowering and stepping rapidly with arms tucked in, or walking like an airhead that doesn't have the free brain power to keep your arms from flailing about as you walk
It's about who has the mentality of a victim and that comes across very clearly in many forms of a potential targets walking motion

>>693784382
It's decently funny

>>693778979
when talking to someone always pick one eye and look into that one, don't switch eyes thats awk, and its ok to look around every now and again, youll notice the other person will do the same thing/do it when he looks around.

>>693787181

Thank you anon. What you said is genuinely inspiring. I've neglected lifting for too long. I'll have to start that back up again.

>>693790134
Im just so curious how two dunder heads can lead someone along saying "You are more likely to be mugged for having a confident stride with your hands freely available than to have them unavailable for use in reaction" it only helps against pickpockets, nothing else. Do you spergs get this from reddit?

>>693778979
>1) What do you do with your arms? It seems every position I take with my arms (crossed, hanging by my side, in pockets) is awkward and makes me extremely self conscious
I normally cross mine, hold one arm by the elbow, or thumbs in pocket or belt loop.

>2) Is it normal to constantly be moving even when sitting still? Like, moving your feet, or tapping on my desk?
I typically stay somewhat still. If I can rock on my chair, that's my shit.

>3) What face should I make when getting a haircut?
Buzz your own hair faggot.

>4) How much eye contact is warranted in normal everyday conversation? Should I be looking into my interlocutor's eyes 100% of the time, or less than that?
50% of the time, I tend to look up when I have to think, look down when it's more personal, or look to the side if it's undirect.

>5) Do normies prefer calling or texting? I feel like texting is the hip thing right now, but I've seen some of them in my class take calls. Are there some conversations that are inappropriate for texting?
Texting for non close friends, calls with your true homo homies.

>6) Is it normal not to have a facebook? I feel like a significant portion of normies don't have facebook. I really hate social media and I would rather not have an account if I can avoid it. I think I can get away with making up some excuse like I don't agree with their privacy policy or something-- would people think this is weird?
Normal to have at least a Facebook or instagram, I personally don't, but I'm not a normie.

>t-thanks
Fuck off.

>>693787072
>You have to will yourself to stop giving a fuc

Answer to your questions here

>>693790649
Fuck man, it's the internet, do you really think someone would go on here and just lie to people?
Seriously though, I don't really mind it, if people are that blue eyed they need to keep falling for stupid shit until their wakeup call arrives, and going by the naivety of anons around here they're just about ready for it