How hard is it to jut NOT fucking kill somebody.

>>693673198
yes by all means I am tired of your asinine posts OP.

>>693673375
I do it everyday.

Exterminating the negroid slowly but surely by never giving them any slack anywhere and by implementing systemic oppression in any system I have any semblance of control over. This should keep them shackled in their ghettos while they continue to slaughter and drug each other. Never hire a negroid. Never mate with a negroid. Do not interact with negroids.

And for fucks sake, stop giving them military training. You've seen what they do when they have guns and no training, why the fuck would you put our police at risk like this? All negroids with military training should be permanently stationed overseas where they can gang rape and violate foreigners, rather than Americans.

>>693673198
saving up for a boat ticket to send ever nigger back to the poorest part of africa which they originated from, is what /b/ is doing

A cop pulls you over for a busted tail light. Then he shoots you three time, and arrests your girlfriend.

No need to get mad right?

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>>693673687
And how's that going so far?

Same thing I do every day. Go about my business and treat people with courtesy and respect. Can't influence shit other than my own behavior. At least I can prevent myself from spreading more anger and resentment in the world.

>>693674000
Niggers get mad when they're born and they stay mad. That's the reason they get shot all the time, it's in their blood. Look at Africa. Run by niggers, utter madness. 24/7 madTV.

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I'm pretty sick of it. Everybody thinks the gun and police issues in the U.S. are soooo complicated. Let me break it down -

Switzerland and Sweden are countries that have high gun ownership per capita. Not as high as the U.S., but way higher than almost every other country. Almost no gun crime though. The problem is so fucking mysterious, it's almost like everybody there with a gun can easily learn a livable wage even if they have no education or skills. It's almost like not many people there have a reason to commit any crime because they are content with their lives.

Meanwhile in the U.S. the minimum wage should be around $20/h if it had risen at a linear level with inflation since the 1960s, but it's about a third of that, and poverty is fucking everywhere. Poverty is almost as rampart as the fucktards who say "But such a high minimum wage would collapse the economy! It's not like that worked a few decades ago or anything! I have a PhD. in Economics I got from Fox News and I know my shit."

There's something called the Terrorist Dilemma. It's a simple, world-accepted theory on why terrorism is so rampant, and the solution is heatedly debated on a global scale. The dilemma is thus - a poor kid born in some middle eastern shithole often has only 2 options: live in squalor, or pick up a gun and fight for a better life. No third option.

Well, that dilemma has some serious fucking parallels in America right now. The country is in the shitter. Poverty is everywhere, wages are low, the economy is fucked, things that other countries take for granted like education and healthcare are becoming more and more inaccessible to the middle class. So a lot of people at the bottom rung figure crime is an answer.

Then you have America having 25% of every prisoner on the planet in their prisons, and cops not getting punished for killing innocent people on top of all of it.

No fucking shit people are starting to lose their shit. How is this hard for people to understand?

>>693674198
You sound scared. Be a man, and educate yourself so you won't have to be.

>>693673198
>AmeriFags
Kill people obviously.

>>693674000
Trips lie?

>>693675176
That sounds really complicated.

But I can throw a rock and hit a tent city here in Seattle.

Shit is so bad people can't even explain how bad it is.

>>693675407
I've been tripping all day.

>>693674000

why did the cop have his gun drawn in the first place?

>>693673198
>nobody is doing anything about it.
we dont get to tell the government what to do. They like you to think the people have the power, and we do in a way, but we dont get to tell anyone in government directly what to do. For the people to take back power we would need to revolt against the government.

>>693676181
broken tail light. felony stop.

>>693676181
America

>>693675875
Low wages = poverty, bad economy
Poverty, bad economy = higher crime
Higher crime = higher gun violence

Secondary problem is police being more trigger happy in the U.S. than any other country on earth but not getting punished for going too far, which enrages the populace on a continuous basis.

Two simple solutions are increase the minimum wage significantly, and punish cops for killing innocent people as harshly as if they were a civilian.

But too many people enjoy having such a huge portion of the population in poverty, and enjoy seeing cops go unpunished for crimes they would be jailed for life for.

>>693676317
Let's revolt! BURN EVERY BANK, EVERY WALMART, DESTROY GOOGLE. BURN EVERYTHINGAS:DASDKLA:SLKD

>>693673198
>> Say no one is doing anything about it
>>Ask what we're doing about it

We aren't doing anything OP you answered your own question, faggot.

>>693676181
he had his gun drawn because he's a slave catcher KKK member and he knows he's entering a dangerous situation when he comes to lift money from poor people. DUHHHHH

>>693676403

>and they say sarcasm is lost in text.

didn't seem like a drawn gun situation unless i'm missing something.

>>693673375
Easy to do. In many cases (for the cops at least) it's also a really stupid thing to do.

>>693676181
He's a black guy and all the cop heard was nigga nigga I goata gun nigga nigga.. so he did what he was trained to do when a black guy has a gun shoot first ask questions later.

>>693674000
Way to oversimplify what happened nigger.

Signing this petition
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/formally-recognize-black-lives-matter-terrorist-organization

>>693673198
Doing nothing about it, I like seeing dumb ass niggers die. Maybe BLM will hold a rally somewhere else... And someone will start firing into the crowd that would be awesome...

>>693676548
>But too many people enjoy having such a huge portion of the population in poverty
I would say it is more of the mentality that poor people don't work hard enough, and that americans are apathetic towards anyone but celebrities and reality television

>>693676548
I think it's too late for just raising wages. That might have worked 15 years ago. We're so far in the shitter right now we may as well just all move some place quiet and watch the world burn. It's going to be a HOT summer this year.

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>>693675176

America will destroy itself, maybe once it has the indians will get their land back and can live in peace.

>>693676181
Because he knew the black guy had a gun one him. And since nigs gunna nig he had to be ready.

>>693676548
>increase the minimum wage.

You really are retarded aren't you? Jesus what's with all these faggots that think throwing money at poor people in the form of minimum wage increase won't raise inflation as well? It's a never ending cycle faggot, upping the wage will increase inflation and everything just gets more expensive for everyone. But good try, God back to school 1st year college fag

>>693676864

Right sorry, I forgot to mention that the shooter was the victim. My bad

>>693677371
We have a faith based economy. Higher minimum wage = more spending = stronger currency

Fuck you europoor OP
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/formally-recognize-black-lives-matter-terrorist-organization

>>693677080
That is spot on. I was being facetious, I'm sure if you were to sit down and ask those people with that mentality "wouldn't it be great if America minimized poverty, or even eradicated it entirely?", they'd be like "Yeah that would be cool, but how do you do it?"

Then you tell them the answer and they call you a liberal or progressive and go back to masturbating to Trump. It has nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with economics, but politics has cleverly created a schizm in politics that is basically impossible to solve with debate.

Because who ever changes someone's mind in a political debate.

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>>693677371
>raise inflation
only because companies want to keep record profits

>>693677371
but inflation is the magic that drives people to believe their home is getting magical equity money. We should have more inflation. It's great for the housing market.

>>693677455
We have no idea what he was, or who was at fault. The only evidence we do have is the black guy had weed and was a member of the crips. But that too is not hard evidence as to what really happened.

>>693677539
No higher min wage = more printed money. Stores raise their prices to keep the same profit margins and be able to pay the new min wage at the same time.. One year after wage increase... Oh look nothing has changed. Are you 5? Have you not lived long enough to see this happen before?

>>693677371
See>>693677568

It's not just increasing the minimum wage. It's increasing all wages around the area of the bottom 60%, preferably the bottom 80%, as well as making medical and education expenses disappear almost entirely.

But hey, I bet that's so fucking liberal your head is spinning. I bet your solution is much better.

>>693675176
This is fucking /b/ how dare you use fucking logic.

>>693677568
I'm socially right, economically left. I am voting for trump however. His good ideas are great, and his bad ideas are so bad most won't even get passed. Those that do will be undone by the next group of people. Hilliary will act as a slow poison however. I really believe trump is the lesser of two evils.

>>693677568
There's a lot more to it as well, not just the economy,but infrastructure, education, healthcare. No one wants to make sacrifices, but everyone wants shit from the government(companies included)

>>693677991
www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgpa7wEAz7I

>>693673198
i'm okay with niggers killing niggers.
that's always a good thing.
but everything else needs to chill.

>>693677704
We only have a video.

But, he might have been a thug. And there may have been black on black crime. Or maybe there was THC in his system.

if we could just manufacture some kind of negative emotion towards the dead then maybe the shooter can become the victim here. I like your work ethic. You're one of the good ones.

>>693677856
It takes far more than a year, which is obvious if you look at every time it has been raised in the past. The issue is laws protect the rich far more than the poor. People need an opportunity to work, and if they do make a livable wage doing it. I'm not saying everyone should be making 6 figures. But the fact remains we have a faith based economy. If people don't have money to spend, things won't get better. Just look at the last "recession".

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>>693673198
lol this faggot.
we want people killing each other. like seriously did someone just break rules one and two and brought you here?
and as to what we're doing about it its all one big rekt thread. we sit back and watch and laugh, and once in a while with some really good shit our eyebrow may raise.

>>693678321
I said that the evidence against the black guy is the same as the evidence against the cop - piss poor.

>>693673198
CNN and other media outlets see $$$ and love it when stuff like this happens. These stories are profitable, they don't care if they incite riots and increase racial tension by over-reporting these incidents. They disregard anything that won't generate viewership (such as gang murders, murders in other countries, non-trending diseases (apparently ebola is no longer "cool")). Which is also why CNN (best example) loves it when planes crash. It gives them several months of extra $$$$. Intelligent people will see past their manipulative tactics. Idiots would call for the killing of all bees if CNN reported every bee-sting death for a few months.

>>693677876
Because something like that would ever be done. I'll concede that if the entire system was increased in the right spots just the right margins it can help... However thanks to our political system, it's not relatively possible without it taking ten years or more because things like that take so long to pass.

Your idea is plausible but would never happen. Why? Because we elect retards who scream murica and "praise Jesus" instead of scholars. Aside from the min wage argument, I do agree BLM has become a militant movement. And should be treated as such.

>>693677704

most law abiding gangbanger in the history of gangbangers

>>693677991
What if Trump resigns in his first year and makes his VP president?

>>693673198
I was angsty and full of revolution once, then I assimilate. You will too. If you want to get laid and/or have a family.

>>693673198
Graduating college so i can go live and work in a peaceful country instead.

>>693677991
I'd actually prefer Trump over Hillary too, although he would still be a terrible president. Worst choice of two shitsticks in American history going up for election.

Since we're talking about the broad scope of why this kind of violence exists, I'll say that Trump wants to ostracize Muslims in America, well that sure won't create any extremists in America wanting to cause more violence.

He's also owns how many casinos, which are basically licenses to print money, but has still gone bankrupt how many times? I'm sure he'll be stellar for our economy. But it is so fucked right now, maybe it all does just need to crash and burn.

That all being said, still would rather have him than Hillary.

>>693674000
Tell cop you have gun in pocket. Be inherently violent race that has lower iq than apes that it evolved from. Reach in gun/id pocket while gf live streams your stupidity. Become blm flavor of the week

>>693678523
Yeah but he's dead? I don't understand what you mean.

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>>693678546
That describes every single news company, not just cnn, even dailymail

>>693678592
I agree it won't ever happen. It is possible, easily physically possible for Americans to pull off, but will never happen. It was once this way, but an economic system has been implemented to steadily drag the majority of the country into the lower class while making a recovery impossible via means of political tribal hatred.

>>693678787
This is the BLM issue in a nutshell... Stupid idiots making a fool of themselves trying to instigate things and BLM makes them a martyr, and his family gets money because he was a "good boy"

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>>693678787
They're Americans just like you and me. of course they're stupid monkeys. That doesn't mean murder is the way to go. The cop has so many other options at his disposal.

>>693678662
Then things change, obviously. That's a weird question.

>>693674000
He shouldn't be driving with a broken tail light. Had he followed that law ignoring his Nigger stupidity I got gun in my pocket let me grab it here he'd still be alive
#TailLightsMatter

>>693678862
Thats why he said (Best example) you fucking troglodyte.

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>>693678787
>be racist online
>afraid to say it to them irl

>>693678461
>like seriously did someone just break rules one and two and brought you here?
and as to what we're doing about it its all one big rekt thread. we sit back and watch and laugh, and once in a while with some really good shit our eyebrow may raise.

This must be your first month here. Stop pretending to be edgy because /b/ used to be, it's fucking embarrassing and cringeworthy.

>>693679294
Are you kidding me? Like 90% of everybody in America owns a gun. I reach into my pocket some times and pull our 2 or 3 guns. I don't think it should be grounds for the police to shoot at me though.

>>693679296
>Thats why he said (Best example)
No, he didn't you schmuck. He said CNN and other media outlets, and then repeated CNN a few more times, to instill that CNN is the reason for this shit. L2 advertising methods

>>693679202
No I have a gun and if I was pulled over I'd inform the officer but not reach for it.
Also I have a job, maintain my vehicle and support my kid so I'm not like Nigando

>>693679296

Which is also why CNN (best example) loves it when planes crash.

CNN and other media outlets

I fucking did. learn to read. I said CNN 3 times, 2 of which were accompanied by (and other media outlets or Best example) God you suck.

>>693679604
See
>>693679816

>>693679202
And you assume it's willing murder, and not a survival instinct? In an age when violence against police hasn't been this high since the early "gangland" 90's. If you were constantly faced with those stories and warnings of a growing violent African American populace and some dude said he had a gun and then after being irate quickly reached for the area he said it was, there's a 50/1 chance he is gonna shoot you, but even with those odds idk about you but I would want to not take a chance and go home to
My family alive instead of having the chaps show up at their door.

I'll not say this is every case, there are cases on both sides where it was clearly justified and BLM still made a fuss and then there is other's where they were right to be enraged. It's not a matter of murder it's becoming a matter of survival for both sides and that's the really bad thing.

>>693679551
I have 2 on me now. If I got pulled over I wouldn't be teaching for it and periscoping it because "cops hate black people muh rights"

>>693679816
>>693679906
>learn to post first

>>693680016
>"WOW, can you believe this guy? He actually MISCLICKED! I just won this internet argument, because he MISCLICKED!"

>>693679604
OK to appease your loose cunt:

CNN, FOX NEWS, HUFFINGTON POST, REUTERS, DAILY MAIL, YAHOO, AND EVERY SINGLE OTHER MEDIA OUTLET SHOULD BE CHARGED/HEAVILY FINED FOR INCITING RIOTS AND MURDER.

https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/#&panel1-1

Yes the caps were necessary.

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Please post the pic of him shot with funny captions
> I offer this picture in trade for it

>>693678697
/thread

Women have no concept of revolution. It's not their fault, it's just the way their brains work. They just want to be comfortable.

>>693678841
I mean that people shouldn't take sides yet. And for that reason the BLM people should go fuck themselves.

>>693676620
thats why its absurd to think american citizens have any power to tell the government what to do.

>>693679944
So fear is good excuse for cops to kill people?

That doesn't seem...cyclical to you at all? Cops kill a ton of people, get afraid because people are shooting cops more, kill more people...that surely ends with everybody being happy down the line.

Something has to break the cycle, making an excuse for any part of it doesn't stop it.

>>693679722
I dunno man, sounds like you could be next. You're ducking behind a lot of racial code words. If that were my only shield against oppression I'd be worried.

Some times they plant drugs on you just so they can meet a monthly quota. Some times they just beat you because you look at them wrong. And if you ever get a fine and can't pay it off you're going to end up in jail. And when you get out, that fine + late fees is probably going to land you in jail again. Shit is rough. We gotta stick together brother.

>>693680016
>I think learning to read takes priority over making a minor posting error.

>>693673198

america is the problem

You're going towards a civil war or some sort of decadent scenario. Hope Trump wins, just to speed your downfall a bit, fuckers.

>>693676750
we dont know why they got pulled over at this point. I can tell you one thing the media probably wont tell you if it makes the cops look bad.

>>693680456
Stop living in a fantasy.

>>693680315
>>693679816
Thank you probably OP.
I gave up on them.

>>693680545
What country are you from?

>>693676750
He said he had a gun and it was near his wallet. He quickly reached for his wallet before the cop told him to. For all we know he could have said something like "I got a gun by my wallet right here" them immediate reached for it. We won't know if the cop was in the right 'till we find out more about what happened.

>>693679944
That all sounds reasonable, but where are the statistics supporting your claim regarding a violent African American populace? And I think not shooting people is just part of being a professional. When you're in the police force you are trained to deal with people who could become violent. Are we not training our police force properly? I don't know I have never been a cop. I did watch the wire season 1 though.

>>693680454
You do realize it's not all fear based right? You are painting all officer involved shootings with the same brush. The point I was making is that there are justified officer involved shootings were the perp died and the evidence is clear. I'm not saying all are made out of fear or that is a good excuse to shoot someone.

Just... Don't paint all police in that light nor assume anything until all the evidence is given.
>inb4 all cops tamper with evidence and give false reports
If anyone thinks the above I'm so sorry for all the money your mother spent on helmets for you as a kid so you didn't hurt yourself. But it was clearly necessary.

>>693680457
Posting error = not reading you dense fuck

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>>693675176
/thread

>>693673198
laughing mostly

>>693680563
The niggers did not maintain their vehicle. Broken taillight. Automatically getting pulled over and at least a fix it ticket.

>>693680584
I grew up watching Star Trek. I know we can coexist. It's hard and it takes work, but I believe in man kind. I believe in you.

>>693681033
I'm not citing statistics for a /b/ "debate"
It's not worth the effort for strangers on the Internet. But they are out there go find em and lemme know what you find :)

>>693681175
misclicking the wrong post =/= not reading

this has gotten so petty because you realized what a stupid ass reply you made. It's over. Just leave it be.

>>693680649
You would like to know, drone fag

>>693681168
Of course there's justified shootings, the vast majority of shootings are justified. I wasn't addressing those, or painting all shootings/cops in the same light.

There's obviously a problem with cops shooting more innocent people than they should in America, or this thread wouldn't exist. If you justify those shootings by saying "the cop got scared and was in survival mode," that's not good enough. That's just going to have the disproportionate amount of innocent shootings rise.

>>693681369
>implying that was the fantasy I was talking about
You are too far gone anon.

>>693681429
>>693681175
are you two breaking up?

>>693681753
I just want to know if your post is legitimate or out of jealousy.

>>693681429
Caps, no caps, punctuation, no punctuation.
That right there is a stupid ass reply.

>>693681810
are we breaking up now too?

>>693681770
>than they should in America, or this thread wouldn't exist
All it takes if a small group with large lungs anon.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/wp/2015/12/26/2015/12/26/a-year-of-reckoning-police-fatally-shoot-nearly-1000/

Even if you assume half were innocent, we are talking about ~ .0000015% of the population.

>>693682281
We don't have to anon. I know I don't want to.

>>693682190
Honestly you've ran out of shit so now you're just nitpicking.

>>693681770
No no wasn't justifying them, just wasn't calling them outright murder until I would know the evidence in the specific case. Some of them are intact murder, most of them however to me personally at least I would classify as a series of unfortunate events. Is it murder? Not quite for some of them, not that officer shouldn't be punished either. I would like to see stricter punishments myself. So me and you probably and most likely of the same mind of most of this issue. I'm also inclined to agree with some others in this thread. Is this issue as big as it seems? No the media just cums buckets all over these stories because they increase their ratings. This issue is a small one in the grand scheme of things in this country, but as you say, one none the less.

>>693682190
lol how predictable.

Got obliterated, now criticizing grammar and punctuation.

>>693673198
>>693663792
Yes I'm seeing another great GTA in rockstars future here, GTA-NIGGAOPOLIS, main character a nigga who gets ta bdup the white racist cops in niggaopolis and steal n loot wtf Eva they wants cuz nigga lives madder!! GET ON THIS ROCKSTAR it'll be a best seller!!

Well I got my nut. I'm going to go play Brutal Doom.

Select all images with a store front.

>>693682415
You're absolutely right.
>>693682440
I call you out on it, and you still manage to keep fucking it up. How sad it is.

>>693673198
tired of what? the blacks getting killed or the cops getting killed?

>>693682768
Atleast you're honest.

>>693673198
I am not an american at all i am a european and seeing this recents events has made europeans appaled. We demand a say in your government. These racewars has to stop, every US citizen must be treated according to the konstitution,

US must calm down, treat every citizen equal whatever the color of the skin and be the place we europeans dream of emigrating to (even if we rarely do so) whenever we dream we need to.

So calm down for gods sake, see the big picture, treat everyone with respect and dignity.

God we were worried about our own problems when suddenly US is at the brink of civil war, what the fucking hell is going on over there?

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>>693673198
We need to start killing niggers at a faster rate. They're nothing but dangerous animals that need to be put down

>>693682962
>"We demand a say in your government"
This has to be b8

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>>693673198
There are over 300 million guns out there. Good luck OP

>>693682298
That should be 0% though, and the remaining fraction of a % in a large population is still significant. That tiny fraction has a lot of America pretty upset, and using statistics to make a problem seem small doesn't make it actually small. It's a big problem and everybody knows about this problem.

If you're OK with having some innocent people killed by cops then I sure hope you don't bitch if it ever happens to someone in your family. "Welp, just a statistic, can't be too bummed about it. Had to be someone."

>>693683317
Lol b8

>>693683277
How is it bait if we all agree with him?

what i don't understand is where were all the good guys with guns to stop these assholes?

biggest gun state in the union. have to be more dense concealed carries than any square feet of land.

yet no one did a fucking thing to stop this.

5 armed police, nothing.

you're a bunch of fucking cowards OR, alternatively, the idea that good guys with guns can stop ANYTHING is a fucking joke.

>>693683629
>itt edgelords samefagging

*raises paw*

If you think about black people have had to deal with a lot of shit since they were forcibly brought here. Slavery, segregation, systematic racism, and now systematic execution by a corrupt state. Who can blame them for lashing out this way? They're like animals backed into a corner, they have no choice but to fight.

>>693674013
>lets give africa a hand

>>693684072
>systematic execution by a corrupt state.

This is hard b8, it needs a warning label and to be systematically executed but well... Anyone. For shut posting that hard

>>693683919
Lmao

>>693683107
US is a critical country in the world, the stability of the US seems to be in the balance right now, we in the EU are ready to assist, its no shame in asking an ally for help or guidance.

>>693683317
0% is unreasonable. To have that, humans would need to be perfect. 0.00015% is pretty fucking good.

>>693684424
All b8 aside I agree with this

>>693683277
In all fairness if all black people suddenly stopped existing in the US things would be much better for the rest of us.

>>693684636
Eh I don't mind blacks, it's the nig nogs I have an issue with. Give me a nice thick decently normal black goddess anyway man.

>>693675176
I didn't know Bernie Sanders was a /b/tard.

Faggot.

>>693684636
Nah when hate target no1 the blacks are gone you would start the same thing with the hispanics and when hey are gone the indians again or the poor people, this is a carousel that will never stop spinning until you come to your senses.

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>>693684801
To provide an example for my words.

>>693673198

Niggers can shoot all the cops they'd like to. Very entertaining.

even robots are programmed to hate black people

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jul/08/police-bomb-robot-explosive-killed-suspect-dallas

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>>693684845
Think these numbers show why.

>>693683678
Real life isn't Call of Duty, retard. One cop managed to confront the Dallas sniper in an unfavorable position, a gunfight on the street. You know what the sniper did? He charged the cop's position and shot him from behind as the cop went to peek cover. A novice would've been splattered all over the floor.

>>693673198
>overpopulated
>killing is bad
Pick one you liberal fuckwits.

>>693685299
Forgot to mention the asians and irish would probably be before the poor people.

>>693685299
Checked and wow where's Jew? It has to #2 if black is #1 hated

>>693685570
did i ask for an explanation why the idea that heroes with guns can't stop bad guys? i don't give a fuck why.

the fact is the whole idea is nonsense.

You are actually on hate spiral with no end and it will end with the destruction of your whole country. I dread the day when we europeans has to secure your nukes so the terrorists wont get them.

>>693685957
>europeans
> us military
Kek

Wake up faggots. You're gonna have to be a killer yourself if someone ever tries to shoot you or people near you. Arm yourselves.

>>693685469
Yeah good luck fighting a tyrannical government. maybe you should be allowed to have your own killer robot too.

>>693686132
>houston
>bunched of armed police
>bunch of armed civillians
>didn't do SHIT

you can't protect yourself faggot. all you can do, really, is strike first. and that's what it will come down to.

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>>693673198
Tanskin detected. Why don't you quit using Blacks as pawns? They should be armed.

> How hard is it to jut NOT fucking kill somebody.
Pretty hard when that person is trying to kill you but refuses to admit it even to themselves.