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Which sport is manlier, rugby or football?
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Which sport is manlier, rugby or football?
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football
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Radball > alll
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>>693446119
rugby
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>>693446119
Rugby.

No protect.
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>>693446119
Rugby obviously
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Clearing rugby!! Football is played by over paid pussys..American football is played by over padded pussys!!
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football is most tactical
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>>693446724
Did we ask about tactical? No, so shut up.
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>>693446724
But whats manlier?
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>>693446459
Looks super fucking gay.
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>>693446119
Soccer
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MMA
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Rugby.
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>>693446866
and whats more manly than being gay? no woman at all ...
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>>693446836
Damn, Dad
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>>693446836
name one thing more manly than tactics? gordon bennet must be summer
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you're comparing two things that have just about nothing in common.
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this
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Rugby players may have no padding, but football players hit way harder because they do. If football players had no pads, they'd straight up break shit every play.
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>>693446119
Gridiron by far, and I'm from New Zealand. Rugby is overrated as fuck.
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>>693447208
enslaving other species and bend their minds to my willing!
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>>693446119
In one the players literally have to wear armor or else they'd literally kill each other. Rugby is garbage.
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rugby has no protection but they dont get nearly as rough as football.

check this compilation for rugby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdTh8O9xYO0
and compare with this compilation for football.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-1MQ0Cnbhs

ignore music
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>>693447393
Or maybe handegg players are too pussy to take a hit without armour?
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>>693446889
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>>693446119
it's manlier to do something with your life that doesn't result in you being cheered on by working class human trash
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>>693446889
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>>693447362
building special relationship with a much bigger and much stronger animal to achieve its cooperation
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>>693447498
The league isn't stupid enough let their players worth millions kill each other.
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y not both?????????
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>>693447498
No, I played football in HS. I was a lineman. I got injured with the pads. I don't wanna imagine what it would've been like without them.
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>>693447627
thats the same thing
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>>693446119
Women's figure skating
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>>693447172
You're retarded. The only difference is one sport wears steel armour while the other wears nothing.
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>>693447498

From this comment alone I know you have never played or even watched American football in your life.

It's like you base your information entirely off of memes.
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>>693446119
Interpretive dance
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>>693447783
no, it is not
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>>693447886
Rugby players take hits without armour just fine. Why not handegg players?
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Ladies gymnastics
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>>693446119
Ping-pong
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>>693448068
If you're going to troll at least try to be more original about it. You're not getting anybody riled up about this. It's been a thousand times.
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Synchronized swimming for the elderly
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>>693448068

Because they hit way harder. "Hand egg" players might as well be their own breed of humans. They're fucking massive. And fast. A full forced impact could very well kill and average sized man.
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>>693448068
>>693447866
>>693447498

>armour

>-our

Britcuck detected
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>>693448068
You go take a hit without pads from an NFL linebacker. We'll see if you can get up after.
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>>693448277
>anyone who thinks differently than I do is a troll

God damn you're retarded. You still haven't answered my question by the way. What makes rugby players able to take brutal hits without armour, but not American handeggers?
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>>693448594
Your question has been answered 2-3 times already. Football players hit way harder. End of story.
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Which asshole is gaylier? Mine or OPs?
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Sonny Bill Williams can hit harder than any NFL player yet doesn't wear armour

Really makes you think....
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>>693448594
>Armour
>Handegg
Britcuck take the lead from your countrymen and brexit from this thread faggot.
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>>693448727

>trick question

You're both a couple of faggots.
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>>693448747

>230 lbs

>hits harder than NFL players
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>>693446119
They are both dumb as shit. I always get a good laugh knowing the football players will become vegetables by the time they reach 50
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>>693446119
Rugby is an endurance game
Football is an attacking game
I watch both
Neither one is more manly than the other
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>>693446459
>national canadian polo team
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>>693447866
They literally have nothing in common. Rugby is a flow sport. Football is a strategy game with individual plays. Rugby has more in common with soccer hockey or even basketball than football.

You are literally retarded.
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>>693449038
It's manlier not manly. Ignirant
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>>693447731

You'd learn how to make contact in a way that didn't kill you. Every time we had an american football player join our rugby team, the first thing we had to do was teach them to stop leading with their head.
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>>693447208
Jockeying is super gag tbh
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>>693447116
hitting each other without armor
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>>693449141
manly
ˈmanli/
adjective
having or denoting those good qualities traditionally associated with men, such as courage, strength, and spirit.
"a manly torso of perfect proportions"

How about you lick my hole you ignorant hick
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>>693449180
He must have been a special kind of stupid. We already knew not to lead with our heads. A helmet won't stop paralysis.
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>>693449038
Football requires endurance too.... To sit through all the commercials.
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>>693449385
You think you're manlier reading emare bewks? Warred yu lurn read nohow nigger?
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I'd say they're both pretty fucking gay, but rugby has a lot more feeling up while football has a lot more balls on faces. Depends on your preference I guess
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>>693446119
Lol thats not football
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>>693446119
How about handegg?
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>>693449663
>hurr durr
go shit up another botswanan basket weaving forum you fucking jew
no one wants you here
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all sports are inherently gay so I'm sorry fucks but you're all gay
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If rugby is so manly, why don't they get paid as much as NFL players? When NFL players are making 50x the money that rugby players are, it's pretty clear which sport is tougher.
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>>693450146
<;^)
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>>693450146
Lolwut?
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>>693449942
The original english football league originally encompassed two sports. Soccer and Rugby. They dropped rugby and kept the name of the league. Thats why you call it football and we call it soccer.

Soccer is what its called.
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>>693446459
woaw this looks awesome!
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>>693449101
>they literally have nothing in common

Oh so they're not both contact sports? Hmm..... I think you're the one that's literally retarded.
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>>693449506
Watch any game of NFL and you will see every player lead with their head. It's a different running style for the game, and it's a fact.
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>>693446119
They are both full of gay men running around in tights rolling around on top of each other. It blows my mind people watch that garbage. The only manly sport is mma
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>>693446119
rugball or footby
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>>693447498
you can hit players harder because your wearing pads

obviously

so the pads do not protect against the force of a 400lb niger running at 20mph impacting another 400lb niger running 20mph the other way

do you really think people with no pads somehow hit harder?

are you 5?
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>>693450757
>rugby and football are gay
>watches men in boxer shorts cuddling
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>>693450868
I'd rather be hit by someone that 400lb with armor on the by some that's 400lb with no armor
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>>693446119
ITT
>Cucks who needs to find the manliest thing possible to avoid admitting who they really are.
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>>693451163

Yeah but the average player in fagby doesnt even come close to being that big. Not by a long shot. You're biggest players of all time don't even get to 400lbs
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>American "athlete"
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In football You run away from man so not gay
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>>693451509
Well lets face it..No one weighing 400lbs is running at 20mph!!
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>>693446119
the thread can now die
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>>693447731
this say it all

> people get injured with pads, im too afraid of what it could be without them
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>>693447078
>implying gays are men
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>>693446459
Rocket league for hipsters
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>>693446119
I honestly think if you put rugby players in armor and send them off playing football they'd beat every single football team out there, simply because rugby players are trained, fast athletes, while football players are not. If you removed the armor from football players and let them play rugby they wouldn't win shit but injure themselves and everyone else into cripples. It's two different sports with different requirements and comparing them is just a britcuck vs amerifat meme.
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>>693451927
Average game last 3hours and 12 minutes and out of that the armor clad players only play 11 minutes!! Is it even a sport??
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>>693451927
>game action: 11 minutes
You realize there's 60 minutes in a NFL game right? Retard.

4x15 minute quarters
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>>693448987
americans still dont understand that force= mass x speed
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>>693448747
i wonder if he would hit people harder if he was wearing pads

nah he would probably play nicer its fun with padding!
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>>693451927
That's actually begging generous, considering football teams have a seperate offensive and defensive squad.

So in reality they play 5.5 minutes each game. Pathetic.
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>>693452352
60 minutes of play time. Not 60 minutes of action!! only 11 minutes of action out of the 60
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>>693446119
obviously boxing is manlier
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>>693452352
that just makes it worse
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>>693446119
Baseball, faggots.
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>>693451927
this is why i can't watch this pathetic "sport"
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>>693446119
Rugby players are generally more mature, because football is American, but football has the professionalism and organization of an industry.
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>>693446119
Rugby.
American Football is less manly than soccer which is just an even less manly version of football.
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>>693452527
yeah but they do stand around a lot, thats not that easy for amerifats you know
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>>693447576
Heavily underrated
Both are shit-tier sports anyway
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>>693450185
I guess that makes soccer manlier than both then
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>>693446954
dont you mean ufc?
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>>693452189
>Rocket league
Newfag
Everyone knows it's real name is Supersonic Acrobatic Rocket powered Battle Cars.
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>>693451927
>I made a fancy pie chart so that means it's automatically true

No. Kill yourself troll.
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>>693446889
This
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>>693451868
Underrated post
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>>693451927
/thread
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>>693453373
>I can't accept my favorite sport is nothing but advertisement.
kILL YOURSELF FAGGOT.
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>>693453373
Look at the top left faggot.
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>>693453161
UFC is the league they fight in, its not the sport, MMA is the sport.
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footby
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>>693451927
KEK American football is literally a way to get fat Americans to watch Mountain Dew and Dunkin Donut commercials for 60 minutes without them even realising.
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>>693453603
>implying someone couldn't just easily write that in the corner to fool idiots like you

You're the biggest retard I've ever seen. Provide a link or its bullshit.
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>>693453161
You went full retarded
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>>693453886
because using the build in image search is too hard when you're a 600lb american
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>>693452370
Very true
230lbs at 18mph would hit harder than 300 lbs at 10mph
Muricans are stupid cunts
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>>693453886
They could. But didn't.
My googlefu is works but 4chan wants me to reformat the links and i'm lazy, so just google.

- average nfl tv broadcast
Any link.
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>>693452370
lol. You don't understand that NFL players weigh more than 230 pounds and can run faster.

supa dupa lel
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>>693453886
>implying someone couldn't just easily write that in the corner
We pay them for that.
Just google.
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>>693453886

http://www.sportsgrid.com/nfl/pie-chart-actual-football-watching-nfl-game-vs-replays-commercials-etc/

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704281204575002852055561406

faggot.
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>>693454358
>can run faster.
Proof.
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>>693454467
Wtf. Why couldn't i post these links?
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>>693446119
your question is irrelevant. american football is the more physically demanding and dangerous sport regardless of what you euro cockfags think. american football is also a much more strategically challenging game.

i've played both and that's just the way it is.
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>>693454358
The fat NFL niggers definitely don't run faster than rugby players
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>>693454771
>your question is irrelevant. american football is the more physically demanding and dangerous sport regardless of what you euro cockfags think. american football is also a much more strategically challenging game.
>i've played both and that's just the way it is.
I don't believe you.
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>>693447576
And what's that, bro? Being cheered on by a bunch of whiny-ass feminized pseudo-intellectual faggots?
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>693447460
Do you not see that the football compilation is sped up at different sequences?
It's not an accurate portrayal.
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>>693454978
Not getting cheered on for doing your fucking job and still getting it done.
Breaking your fucking leg and still showing up for work and getting shit done.
>pseudo-intellectual
Learn what the prefix means before you use it you illiterate faggot.
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>>693454771
we didn't ask which was more physically demanding though
and besides why the fuck do they need pads and helmets? The fuck, are you scared of a few cuts and bruises?
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>>693453886
And...
>>693454280
>>693454348
>>693454461
>>693454467
>>693454761
Silence.
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>>693454959
i don't give a shit what you believe bub.

i forgot to mention, aussie rules is probably tops both american football and rugby in terms of physical ability needed to compete at a high level, but american football is still by far more strategically involved than both.
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>>693454761
Not exactly the same but within a reasonable margin I'd say.
Translated pie chart:
Players standing around between players 35.1%
Commercials 32.9%
Replays 7.8%
Gameplay 5.76%
Other (including all other points) 18.3% (compared to 21%)
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>>693454959
same, stupid Amerifats with their stupid helmets and shoulder pads for pussies
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>>693455394
They lack the most basic instinct of self preservation because most of their brain has been converted to muscle mass. So they require it or they'd be doing suicide dives every game.
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>>693455448
>i forgot to mention, aussie rules is probably tops both american football and rugby in terms of physical ability needed to compete at a high level
Agreed.
>but american football is still by far more strategically involved than both.
Nope.jpg
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>>693455456
That one was from uk site.
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>>693455448
but Aussie rules half the time looks like a bunch of seagulls jumping for a chip, and which one has more punch ons
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>>693455654
>punch ons
Hockey.
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>>693455489
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>>693455394
nigger you must be dumb. the pads and the hemet only make the hits shit worse IMO. taking a hard hit in rugby was always easier than a hit of the same power in football. the finger crunching and the feeling of bone against "pads" and helmets is way harder on your body than bone against flesh and bone like in rugby.
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>>693455759
Topkek.
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>>693446119

/thread
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>>693455756
sorry anon, forgot to write out of NRL or Aussie rules which has more, but yeah hockey has heaps too
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>>693455786
So you're claiming the purpose of the armor is to make the game more challenging?
I see, i see.
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>>693455448
>american football is still by far more strategically involved
nope

>>693455649
That's fine, I was just translating the pie chart to percentages so it better compares to the bar chart.

On a side note, what's up with the popularity of pie charts? They're horrible in showing data and are almost useless compared to bar charts when comparing multiple numbers. I've noticed that the US uses HORRIBLE diagrams to visualize statistics and data to the public (not in papers, there they use the standard).
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>>693451711
Vince? Vince's job is not to run and score. Vince's job was to clog up the middle, and he was the best at it.
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>>693455924
Yeah, i noticed and jumped at the chance because i'm an autistic cuck who wants to put everyone down because they won't fuck my fat wife in her hairy-shit stained asshole.
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>>693450185
You know you're a fucking retard right?
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>>693455786
Now while that's absolute nonsense (same energy behind a hit with armor is far less damaging than without), you're kind of correct. It's the same with boxing and MMA fighting, the boxing gloves will prevent a boxer from being knocked out by a blow that would knock them out without them, but that just enables them to beat eachother a little closer to death, while an MMA fight would long be over.
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>>693455288
I know exactly what it means, faggot, and you've just identified yourself as one.
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>>693455786
bet you've never taken a hit head-on from a person at least 220lbs heavier than you, and without those stupid pads to help you either, and yes they do protect you idiot
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>>693455981
The harder the chart is to understand, the less people will see the truth.
Keep an eye out for charts that have anything to do with the economy in general. They're intentionally made more complicated than they need to be.
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>>693455759
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>>693455957
no, i didn't say that that's the "purpose of the armor" but iit's a fact that the equipment makes you heavier, less agile, and the helmet makes it about 100% harder to see shit, so the pads and shit are stupid in my opinion.
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>>693455983
So his job is to be a fat fuck? Lol nice sport you have there ameriblobs
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>>693456189
Explain then, to a pseudo-intellectual like me, how you used the prefix correctly and how it is at all applicable in context.
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>>693446119
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>>693455786
why the fuck would you make something that would hurt you more but advertise it as protection then? the aim of the game is to win by scoring more points not by which team gets the most broken bones
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>>693455981
>american football is still by far more strategically involved
>nope

Clearly someone who has no clue about American football.
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>>693446119
Rugby is more realy "brutal" than football but football is more "spectacular" but both are very manly
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>>693456412
>so the pads and shit are stupid in my opinion.
agreed
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>>693450757
>gay men running around in tights rolling around on top of each other

You just described MMA.
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>>693455489
They apparently don't use a ball in rugby
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>>693456077
what the fuck.
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>>693456541
Yeah, we just pretend there's one and edit it in the videos so the games look good.
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>>693446866
your mum looks gay
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>>693456698
T-that's my dad anon.
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>>693456698
shut up
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>>693456541
Are you retarded?
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If we compare to the level of retardness both "sports" aren't manly at all.

Getting injuries for what? For money? For fame?
>Eggballs inc
>Stupidity at its finest
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>>693456493
A simple flowchart printed to two pages of A4 paper could account for the entire tactics of american football. That in itself doesn't make it a bad sport, but there's no need to pretend it to be something it clearly isn't.
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golf is best sport in world
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rugby and football are for pussys, they wear fucking body armour. AFL on the other hand, is a real mans sport.
>More physically demanding
>No bitch armour
>Is actually fun to watch
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>>693457025
9-5 at a desk under fluorescent lighting in a cheap chair staring at a screen.
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>>693457143
Scotland.
Winning.
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>>693456451
No need to explain. Your arrogant, pretentious, and false assumption about the nature of football (or rugby) fans pretty much says it all. And you clearly are a faggot.
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>>693446119
cage fighting is the correct answer you pussies
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>American football
The fucks wear leggings and you thinks it's a manly sport? kek
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>>693457432
>No need to explain.
It's ok, the lack thereof will suffice.
>false assumption about the nature of football (or rugby) fans pretty much says it all
I'm sorry, where did you pull this shit from?
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>>693446119
Janken.
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>>693457540
Yeah, you know, I'm thinking about 30 seconds on the line of scrimmage in any Pro game would change your mind forever. Geez, what a bunch of fags you are.
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>>693457540
So, in your mind caring about clothing is manly? Have you ever even seen a man before?
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>>693457726
Says the one cheering for men in tights, mud-wrestling with more men in tights who are so ashamed of themselves that they wear helmets.
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>>693457060
what a bunch of glib horseshit. american football is the more complex game, get the fuck over it. i don't even like it that much either. the strategic shit accounts for a lot of the time out sideline bullshit that makes me change the channel most of the time. it's still there nonetheless
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>>693448068
In Football you tackle with your shoulder lining upwards the ribcage and you tackle more upwards, without padding this can shatter your ribs. In rugby you tackle with your shoulder more lined to their waist or stomach area, where the abs are, which shelters rugby tackles better. at the end of the day it comes down to how each sport is played, comparing oranged to apples. Their both fruits, but different fruits
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>>693457744
What a great question mate! I'm just saying that wearing leggings makes you a massive poofta
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>>693457744
I'm manly as fuck in my trenchcoat and fedora over my frilly hello kitties.
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Both are good contact sports. Personally i think football is more violent because you can get some momentum going and make a bigger more impactful hit. Like if youve ever seen a safety take a wide receivers head off as soon as he touches the ball. Speed kills. Rugby seems to be mostly lateral movement with the occasional fast break in the ball carrier
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>>693457726
Just gotta look at a minute of game time to see how shit of a sport it is bruv
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>>693457880
I'm not saying that they're not investing time into their tactics, I'm saying that the tactics aren't complicated.
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>>693457591
>I'm sorry, where did you pull this shit from?

You can't even follow the thread? Wow. You're not a pseudo-intellectual. You're not any kind of intellectual at all. But you are, even more clearly, a total faggot.
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>>693456434
Even with the gut he can still probably run faster than you
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>>693457948
Besides a few spelling mistakes this is almost true

/thread
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>>693458222
I can follow the thread just fine. I think you're the one having troubles anon-kun.
Do you need help? Raise your hand like all the other kids.
Oh and you're overusing the word faggot, it's a great word and you're ruining it for everyone.
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>>693457839
Says the milky-white fat faggot in his mother's basement who's never stepped on a football field.
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>>693447460

And don't forget that they changed the rules about spearing with the helmet and also launching which was prevalent in the 60's 70's and 80's. The game is a lot less violent than it used to be.
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>>693455759
>not knowing that soccer was called soccer before it was called football
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Football > Rugby
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>>693457432
>Your arrogant, pretentious, and false assumption about the nature of football (or rugby) fans pretty much says it all.
>Being cheered on by a bunch of whiny-ass feminized pseudo-intellectual faggots?
The ironing.
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>>693458396
I-i have been on a football field.
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>>693455885
There are ncaa sanctions for flopping, he didn't get away with this the way he would in soccer
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>>693458373
It's clearly not me that needs help. You never found the beginning of the thread, did you?

And the fact is, you are a faggot, and you seem intent on repeatedly demonstrating it, so this doesn't really qualify as overuse.
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>>693446119
I'd say rugby is "manlier", but football requires more physical endurance. It's more masculine to see a bunch of hairy, muscular dudes sweatin' it up on the pitch or the knoll or whatever they call it and smacking into each other pad-less, but let's not forget that those pads aren't meant to protect the other person, they're meant to protect you, kind of like the gloves in boxing. Pro boxers suffer more head injuries and lifelong brain maladies than bareknuckle fighters, and it's the same with football vs rugby. Rugby players can't smash into each other at 100% full force or everyone gets broken bones and fractured eye sockets and Parkinson's, but football players can and do, with reduced risk to themselves and a much higher risk to each other.
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>>693446119
It's not that Americans like football, it's that it's what is televised. The business is entrenched and enormous. The professional has gotten shittier since I was a kid, it's 5 seconds of play and 10 minutes of commercials now. People defend it because it's what we have. It's like when Angelina Jolie was super hot, and then she got all anorexic and gross, and people still insisted she was hot even though that was like 10 years earlier.

High school and college football games are still fun to watch if you're there at the game.
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>>693446889
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Lacrosse, you mother fuckers are faggots.
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>>693456395
They play rugby barefoot and naked? And without a rugby ball?
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>>693458765

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5QED1UrfW5Y
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>>693458727
Well, I guess that something, but you obviously didn't learn anything.
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>>693455759
Shouldn't it technically be feetheadchestnohandsball, if we're going to be whiny pedants?

Also, blame the U.K. Back in the day there was AsSOCiation Football (Soccer) and Rugby Football (Rugger). You just imported the names to America and it stuck.
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>>693458768
I like watching pro football. Granted it's an acquired taste because it's so stop and go but once you really understand the significance of each play in the grand scheme it's really fun and interesting to watch
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Ping pong fucking faggots who the fuck watches those sissy sports
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>>693458761
>And the fact is, you are a faggot, and you seem intent on repeatedly demonstrating it, so this doesn't really qualify as overuse.
Again anon-kun? Try expanding your vocabulary. Here's a start.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSEYXWmEse8
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>>693446119

Unlike most crying sissies here, this is coming from a European that has played both.

It's football no doubt. i have invited multiple rugby players to come to football practice, and most were done after a single good smack.
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>>693458860
This guy gets it
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>>693458893

Yes, it's call Grecoroman Rugby, and it is the sexiest of rugbies.
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>>693459133
No need, faggot. My vocabulary is obviously better than yours. I always use the word that most accurately describes the subject. The repetitious nature of your idiocy doesn't diminish the value of that general rule.
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>>693446119

Rugby is way manlier.

I actually got into American Football last year and enjoyed watching the games, but mostly because I could be doing something else at the time and only needed to look at the screen for a few seconds every minute or so.

It's a great background sport.

Rugby is 2x 40 minutes of disarmed gladiators smashing into each other. Not gay.

I can understand why American Football had the armour, but the tackling rules seem to have changed a lot recently from what I can gather, so not sure if it actually helps any more. Helmets seem to be used offensively more than as protection.
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>>693458565
/thread
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>>693459670
>No need, faggot.
Anon-kun. I don't have any emotional response to this anymore. You killed the feels you were trying to convey.
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>>693458565

samefags
also that pic of the rugby player is for breast cancer awareness, the color is pink lmao.
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>>693451927

Is American anything but commercials and people getting shot?
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>>693457948
apples are vegetables you tard
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>>693460749
are you american?
"But by the looser definition of fruit, an entire apple (the core and the flesh surrounding the core) is also considered a fruit"
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>>693460749
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This thread needs to be asked daily until it's settled.
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I played football all through middle school, high school, and college.

Definitely gotta go with rugby though, those guys are insane. I have a lot of respect for them
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Rugby for sure,I'm pretty indifferent to it. But footballs full of prima madonnas that get paid too much and get full of themselves with their egos.

Rugby is just a raw violent sport.
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>>693451872
yeah actually they are. NFL linemen routinely put up 4.4 second 40 yard dash times - roughly 19 MPH. They are super human athletes. You have no idea.
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>>693462041
I wouldn't say a 4.4 40 for a lineman is "routine", especially for an offensive lineman. Defensive end and linebackers, yes, but they're not usually 400 lbs
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>>693448594
Is this a brit who has lost his country to Mudlsimes because their too pussy to arm them selves?... don't think you really have a place to talk about pussys, USA USA USA
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>>693452370
Actually Force is (mass * distance) / (time ²). The formula you're giving is momentum's, which is equal to mass * speed
But what matters when considering the violence of the impact is kinetic energy, which is mass * (speed ²), which indeed tells us that speed matters more than mass
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>>693462041
>4.4 is routine for linemen
Holy shit this delusion
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>>693462233
but the point is the same either way. they are super-human athletes who double as chess pieces. rugby is just soccer with a different kind of passing.
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>>693464819
https://youtu.be/f_z8E6E3iYo
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