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>>693273494
>eurocuck can't read English
>doesn't understand "shall not be infringed"
>posts about how upset he is about it on 4chan
Kek

>>693273494
> inb4 radical left simply using anything they can for their irrational gun confiscation rhetoric

>>693273494
What is "gun culture"? Or are you just regurgitating someone elses' worn out "me no like gun"?

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>>693273494
How dare you denigrate Murcans' inalienable right to shoot people.

That kid might have grown up to be a communist. Better safe than sorry.

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>>693273744
Sorry. It's just that we have police over here. Not used to getting shot at school or at the range by my father.

>>693273744
>Franklin quote
>Patriot Act

Pick one, Muritard.

>>693273494
if the father is retarded enough to shoot his own kid he shouldn't have any children. textbook natural selection.

prove me wrong faggot

>>693274406

Not like we had a fucking choice on that one, fuckazoid.

>>693274741
If he's retarded enough to shoot his kid, he's not suited to have a gun. By the way, natural selection doesn't work that way. But I'm pretty sure your comment was bait anyway

Over 6,000 Americans die every day, and not enough from guns to matter.

Why are guns the most fascinating death mode?

>>693274384
>cops
Let me know how well the cops stop a girl being raped from a muslim refugee work out for you

>>693275036
Who are you to decide that, fag?

>>693275024
That's right, Murcans had to bend over and take it up the shitter.

So much for all the "guns defend our freedoms" bullshit.

>>693273494
If you shot the fucking kid what would you do?

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>>693275502
>REPLY
>REPLY
>REPLY

>>693275024
While I don't disagree with your intention, we had every choice in the world. We still do, and I'm not taking about voting. If voting actually worked, it would be illegal.

No, our choice comes in the form of uprising. It's far too late now for peaceful dethroning of our government. But it's still not too late for a transition . We still have the right to bear arms now.

However, that will probably change come in November when the power elites say Hillary was voted in.

Hopefully by then, people will wake up and we can all go take back our freedoms lost.

>>693275036
i wont even bother with you just kill yourself

>>693275502
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>693275375
I don't live in Sweden, so that's not gonna happen

>>693273494
CAREFUL!!! Incoming jealousy!!!

>>693275748
It's kinda hard without guns

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>>693275880
I sure am. I'd love to shoot rounds and rounds into fucking nothingness

>>693275886
i don't move to violence this quickly bud but i respect other people's freedom. also your post is bait so no need to debunk

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>>693275502
(You)

>>693273494
>Kid gets accidentaly shot by father...

FAR more people in auto collisions but I never hear you 'tards demand to ban cars,

>>693276130
It's way more important to get around than shooting roadsigns or some stupid shit like that.

>>693273494
>This thing happened that made me mad!
>I demand your rights be infringed upon so I don't have to think about sad things!

That's not how the world works, kiddo.

>>693275496
I'd take him to a taxidermy and have him stuffed and placed in the corner of the kitchen so he'd always be with us but not asking to borrow the car or eating all the iced cream. But that's just what I'd do anyway.

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>>693276130
Uh, cars are useful for other stuff, besides killing people ...

>>693275502

>>693276560
this
>>693276130
and we have licenses for cars that require you to show that you know how to use one safely.

>>693276560
So we live in a place permeated with guns and you want to take guns away from legitimate citizens, so that there is 400 million guns in the hands of criminals? Do you have any idea how much of a disaster that is?

>>693276762
so let's take them from the criminals too. Door-to-door, just like Australia did.

>>693276560
>Uh, cars are useful for other stuff, besides killing people ...


LOL! Mr. Pinhead, this may come as a surprise to you that "for other stuff, besides killing people ..." Brain washed much???

You guys realize how much illegal gun trading would thrive? How much money the government would lose to that?

>>693276868
>so let's take them from the criminals too. Door-to-door, just like Australia did.

Holy fuck are you retarded. The situations aren't even close to being comparable, specifically the amount of guns in Australia isn't anywhere near the amount we have here, also door to door? Are you fucking serious? That must work for drugs as well, that's why there are no illegal drugs, everywhere in the world.

>>693276762
>because gun ownership deters criminals
>because gun owners never get shot or robbed
>because gun owners stop killing sprees by valiantly shooting the attackers

Things that never happen in Murca.

>>693273494
https://discord.gg/zShGPDW

come visit b philosophy general.

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>>693276898
So you just use your car for killing?

Welcome to the thread, Mad Max.

>>693277108
there were quite a few australians who said stuff like that before their government tried it.

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>>693276697
>Because everyone on the road is a safe and responsible driver.

>>693277237
>because gun ownership deters criminals

Yes, it does, anybody with a brain can be sure of this. Put yourself in the criminals place and realize you're a faggot who is making false claims because he's offended by gun killings and is reacting in a rash way that endangers more loves that it saves. Look at the amount of crime in Britain compared to America, look at the amount of crime in gun free cities compared to cities where guns are allowed.

>because gun owners never get shot or robbed

So give up their chance at self defense because you've decided for them that they will get robbed anyway?

>because gun owners stop killing sprees by valiantly shooting the attackers

It's happened before, but I've never been a big contender for this argument.

Bottom line is that you can't endanger all 300 million or so Americans because you want to stop 100 people from getting killed by a lunatic. We have a unique problem in that we are already saturated with guns, we simply are in too deep to safely ban weapons.

>>693277435
They didn't have anywhere near our numbers. Also you don't have gangbangers.

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>>693277620
>there are some people who get licenses and still fuck up
>not having licenses at all would be so much better

>>693276762
"400 million guns in the hands of criminals?"

So. you're saying that law-abiding, non-criminal folks shouldn't have the RIGHT to safe-guide thy and their family. "Cause it's sure that the hood rats aren't gonna just lay down those millions of guns. And if you think there's gonna be a cop walking around with each of us to protect us!?!?! LOL. Cops show up AFTER the shit hits the fan. Grow up. It's a fucked up world. Put on your big boy pants and learn how to take care of your OWN right to live. Before you go down this path; "You're just frightened and paranoid." I have a fire alarm in my house in case there's a fire in the house. I also have a burglar alarm, too. I'm not afraid of I'm not "frightened" , just prepared. Cops and firefighters all to often show way to late to the party. Learn how to take responsibility for your OWN life.

>>693278096
>everyone should be responsible and learn how to defend themselves
>mandating training for gun ownership is tyranny and out of the question
sounds reasonable.

>>693278096
I think you misunderstood my post, I'm very pro gun rights

>>693277320
Go back and read the post that I was responding to. Your reading ability needs. The comment was that there are other uses for GUNS beside killing people. I see that entering car deaths into a gun thread was too much info.

>>693277739
>Look at the amount of crime in Britain compared to America
I'm looking ... especially at the number of fatalities.

>So give up their chance at self defense
Which they wouldn't need if weapons weren't so easily available

>you can't endanger all 300 million or so Americans because you want to stop 100 people from getting killed by a lunatic
Implying they're in less danger by owning a gun. Statistically, gun owners are more likely to shoot themselves or a member of their family than any half-imagined attacker.

>>693278554
>Your reading ability needs.
Your writing ability needs too.

Pfft

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>>693273494
Fun fact: The gun range is called High Noon

>>693278096
Youre afraid of death. Its okay, many are. You need to accept the inevitable end of all that you know now so that you can live in true peace. This is why i dont own anything like that. I refuse to contribute to the violence. Simply let go and all the things you think matter fall into perspective

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>>693278742
Holy shit you're right

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>>693278591
>I'm looking ... especially at the number of fatalities

No, you're clearly not.

>Which they wouldn't need if weapons weren't so easily available

You are fucking babbling about something you have no info on. In case you didn't realize, Britain has a quadruple the violent crime rate that the USA has.

PolitiFact. "There are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the U.K.," compared to "466 violent crimes per 100,000" in the United States

Yeah, please don't post again until you have some idea about the topic you're arguing about.

>>693278866
>homicide
>13th
>below Canada FFS

>>693279222
>IT'S ONLY A LIL STABBY WABBY IN ME GULLIVER
>A FORTNIGHT'S SLEEP AND I'LL BE RIGHT AS RAIN, THE MEDDY WEDDY WILL STICH ME UP PIP PIP CHEERIO

>>693273494
Any fatalities in the home are deserved. I've been trained since I was 4 years old, and guns have been easily accessible in my home since I was about that age, and not a single fatality or even a stray round. Where I come from, you get your shit kicked in if you handle a firearm improperly. These fucking people deserve it.

>>693273494
Americans: fucked in the head by the gunnut-lobby
I don't care about your dead child: by this gun or terrorist will fuck you in the ass for all eternity. (but psst... don't tell anybody, that we could perevent that with better background checks)
Nobody will take your fucking guns! the issue is every fucking rapist-terrorist-schizophrenic can have a gun!

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>>693278742
>>693278865

>>693279650
So create a fucking registry for mental illness for guns? Who else can then have that information? Your employers? Your school? What is the criteria for mental illness, if you're bi polar do you not get to defend yourself legally? That's a fucking overreach by government.

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>>693273494
I agree that Americans in general are fucking retarded, but consider our situation.

We're already surrounded by fucking retards with guns. If you had to live in a country where you are constantly surrounded by retards with guns wouldn't you want to at least have one too?

If they pass some massive gun regs everything would get shunted into the black market faster than you can say "murrica". Our problem is the product is on the streets, and any ban now is too little to late. It's unenforceable.

So I agree we're fucking retarded but we can't do anything now except contend with the consequences. It's a fucked situation.

>>693276868
So America will be safe just like Mexico which enacted strict gun contro..... oh wait, shit. The two countries aren't comparable, not to mention doing that is a fast way to start civil war 2.

>>693276500
Kek

>>693278866
Why are you lying?

>>693273494
>UK soldier gets beheaded by Muslim
>rapes increase by Muslim attackers
>still allows Muslim immigration
>religion of peace, pip pip cheerio ol' chaps
>God save the queen

>>693274406
>thinks we got to vote on the Patriot Act
>thinks we chose it
>doesn't realize we've let parts of it lapse because people told their representatives if they go along with renewing it, they'll be finding a new job after

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>>693278866
>source conservatives
That is the fakest and gayest infographic I have ever seen. Hope you are a gun fag cause statistics show you'll probably end up killing yourself with it, particularly if you are white and single, and post on /b/

>>693280558
We should all live in the UK, where the police seize kitchen knives and walking sticks as dangerous weapons.

>>693280861
It won't be before you get either raped or beheaded by a Muslim though, Limey fuck.

>>693280861
It's almost like suicides were going up when upward mobility and the economy started going down. Must be the fault of guns.

>>693280730
He probably means if you're going to post pictures of the founding fathers then honor the declaration of independence and abolish the government if you feel they are infringing on your rights. But I guess you read the 'it is the right of the people to shitpost on 4chan and youtube comments section' version, faggot.

>>693280861
>That is the fakest and gayest infographic I have ever seen

Rape yourself. Look it up instead of literally lying in order to prove your worthless opinion.

>>693279650
So tell me, how do background checks currently work in the US? Because last time (or should I say every time) I've bought a firearm, I had a thorough background check that looked at any criminal past and mental illness. It takes 3-5 days to complete the check and even private sells must go through this now to be legally valid.

I know this won't stop a mainiac going for maximum damage (neither will strict gun control), but for home fatalities, training is the answer. 24 of my 28 years have been spent using firearms, and with thousands of other people, safely and responsibly. I spent about 6 years in 4H where firearm safety was hammered in, along with my hunters safety class when I was 8, and it made me respect the damage this particular tool can do. I trap shoot to this day and if I can tell you one thing, it's that rednecks do NOT take kindly to improper firearm handling.

When my older sister was a baby, her father accidentally shot a couple inches above her crib because the idiot had a round in the chamber when he wasn't intending on shooting anything (like rule #1 in firearm safety) and had the muzzle pointed in her direction even though he wasn't intending on shooting her (rule #2). It wasn't the firearms fault though, it was the faggot operating it.

Needless to say, my mom divorced him and my sister calls my dad "dad".

>>693281167
>implying some places in the US aren't actively defying the federal government by taking back state rights and doing the people's will
Good job about not knowing shit about the US you crumpet eating fuck.

>>693281130
The point is the majority of gun deaths are suicides, outstripping homicides, and particularly lawful killings. I'm not making a point for or against gun ownership. I have no problem with people owning rifles, shotguns, pistols. But people who hoard guns, particularly automatic rifles, are usually anti-social and mentally ill. Where as many of these people will just off themselves, the odd one goes out in a blaze of glory. Rather than delve into that issue, I'll just state that I think the reason the government doesn't crack down and institute more rigorous mental health scrutiny for gun owners is because domestic gun sales is one of the brightest spots of the US economy right now, and further more if a government test declared someone unfit to own a gun that person could probably turn around and say well then 'I must be unfit to hold a job give disability check plox'.

>>693280986
Paranoid and Islamophobic to boot. You'll probably eat a bullet right after Hillary wins the election. Make sure it's a hollow-tip :^)

>>693281987
So why not focus on correcting the behavior of these ant-social nuts and finding out why this is happening to people in the first place. Are we too afraid as a society to look back at ourselves and reflect.

>>693281832
Like where, those cowboys in Oregon who got slaughtered by the FBI?

Mississippi, where Religious Freedom law was struck down by a federal judge?

Do you have any specific examples or are you just giving the FBI more reason to v& you for being a clear a present danger to society?

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>>693273744

But America already is a society that gave up most of it's freedoms for security, just look at the TSA groping your children, look at your rigged elections controlled by the banks and megacorps, it's hilarious you post that image when you don't deserve either.

All you have is your guns and they are trying every trick to take them.

You also offered no proof he can't read English, or that he doesn't understand "shall not be infringed", or that he is even upset.

Your whole reply is baseless and without any substance.

>We can't take guns away form legitimate citizens for there are 400 million guns owned by criminals

Literally every oen who says that admits they're living in a 3rd world country like Serbia with a civil war going on with only way to survive is to own a gun

>>693281987
Or America can actual deal with the issues that cause people to become suicidal, but no country on earth wants to do that because that costs actual money and will impact the highest earner's pocketbook.

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>>693273744
get columbined faggot

>>693281764
When you buy from an FFL (federal firearms license) dealer, you fill out a 4473 form - you're suppose to answer it truthfully - lying on it is a crime, subject to 5 years imprisonment and a $50k fine if convicted.
They take the information on the 4473 and run it through NICS (national instant check system) which is run by the FBI.
The FBI database has all the reported information from every police department, sheriff's department and other law enforcement agency and reporting local and district courts regarding mental health adjudications in the country.
It typically takes 10-15 minutes to search this database and approve, delay or deny the firearm purchase. In cases of delay, it can take up to 3 days. In cases of denial, your only option is an appeal to NICS to see why you were denied. Often this is when people find they were the subject of stolen identities and they must clear that all up before they can appeal again.
This is the standard federal level check - a few states are even more rigorous, and have a mandatory waiting period as well as just as thorough check as the FBI NICS check.
Gun disarmament advocates will lie about how easy it is to walk into a gun store and buy machine guns and rocket launchers and whatever other bullshit they say - it's not. Most of them would likely fail a 4473 check for past indictments of drug use and possibly other crimes such as domestic abuse.

>>693282268
I just don't think the government wants to spend the time and money. They catch enough shit for not doing enough to help veterans with PTSD and other mental disorders, imagine if they took up the responsibility of the mental health of the entire country, especially considering the US doesn't even have a national healthcare system. It's easier to deal with the fallout of the occasional mass shooting. Gun homicides and suicides are such a common occurrence that they rarely get talked about. When something like Orlando happens the president makes a speech, the media runs a bunch of interest stories, and after a few weeks it's business as usual, and it's a hugely profitable business.

>>693273494
>points out isolated gun incident
>attempts to push anti-gun laws through isolated incident
>completely acceptable

>points out many terrorist incidents
>attempts to point out connection between islam and terrorism
>somehow offensive

fuck you, op

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>>693278866

>Source Conservatives

Which is surely a reliable source... NOT

Plenty of people in the US have guns and have never shot another human being.

Accidents do happen, it's only human.

Wanting to ban guns because people who want to do nothing more then to kill other people is bullshit. They will get their assault rifles/pistols illegally....or find another way to achieve their goal.

Government/Society as a whole need to take responsibility for the people it produces that want to shoot up schools and movie theaters. I bet if those people had someone or a place to reach out, there would be fewer shooting.

>>693273494
How is your text purple? Like wtf is that

>>693282425
>Literally every oen who says that admits they're living in a 3rd world country like Serbia with a civil war going on with only way to survive is to own a gun
im from brazil, there is a very strict gun control for citizens, however crime rates never been so high because fucking criminals get them easily.and we're not at war....

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>>693282752
>toy / trv / tv / vp / wsg / wsr / x] [Edit]

>As usual counter argument ruined by dumbest laziest insult imaginable.

"Fuck you" duhhhhhh

>>693282648
Seriously, thank you for the response. I just couldn't figure out why we continue to bandage the situation. But as always, it's all about money...

>>693273857
You don't have to be radical left to oppose guns.

>>693282279
24 states and Washington DC has legalized either medical or recreational marijuana use - last time I checked the Feds still say it's a crime, states told them to fuck off.
Bunch of states have also told the Feds to fuck off about gun restrictions, they won't implement them.
Same goes for Internet regulations, commerce acts, etc.
Go blow it out your ass, paki fucker.

>>693282902
It is because your government has fucked priorities, and the country has crippling poverty no one wants to fix.

>>693282752
On the islam part, I don't think that's really people's point. I mean IS just bombed the fuck out of rammadan. Actual muslims are pissed off about it. It's not like they just love getting blown up. Islamic terrorists mostly target other muslims.

It's legitimately retarded to be mad at the guy running the mini mart up the road for terrorist attacks. I feel I can safely assume he isn't trying to get shot today either. You don't have to be friends, just leave each other the fuck alone.

>>693282968

Nooooooo! The world is a simple and easy to understand thing, there are two kinds of people in the world, people like me (good) and people who hate America! Don't overcomplicate it you commie leftie muslim hippy!

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cuckistanian here: why don't merifats just license the ownership of firearms? Most states require licenses to drive a car, hunt, fish, etc... but not own a gun? Seems weird.

>>693275502
muh freedom

>>693275502
lol

>>693283085

My newspaper tells me they are muslims therefore I hate all muslims, deport them all to Islam!

>>693283142
That would be smart, we we aren't. Americans are mostly idiots and as a result we elect mostly idiots to run the government, especially at state levels.

The constitution protects my right to kill my children, why can't freedom-haters understand that??

>>693283142

Wait. America DOESN'T DO THAT??

>>693282968
No, but you have to be authoritarian.

>>693283142
Some do. Stop commenting when you don't know shit about what you're talking about.

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>>693273494
>mfw americucks think it's a natural right to own a man-made object that doesn't occur in nature

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>>693274741
If a country isn't willing to control the use of weapons around civilians it's gonna have mass shootings every other week.
Textbook natural selection.
Your move, Amerifats.

>>693283225
it's basically a cultural gang violence problem.

think of the worst street gang in your area that's ever existed, multiply it by 10,000 and give them all aks and hand grenades and armored vehicles and mounted machine guns and seriously amounts of motivation to conquer more territory. Then delete the police, the national guard and even most armed citizens.

Nobody likes these fuckers, least of all actual muslims that are just trying to get through the damn day without being brain cased by a .50 cal.

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>>693283262
>Americans are mostly idiots
Lul, reminded me of that scene in The Wire where they trick the suspect into confessing by making him think the photocopier is a lie detector.

Anyway, people get mad about the gun laws here too though, particularly about registration, because a lot of people do buy firearms and then sell them to people who can't buy licenses. And people who go hunting or target shooting outside a range, like in the bush, bring people who aren't licensed and let them shoot their guns, which I don't think is a big deal. Really, it's just like another stop-gap measure, it's not like it's going to prevent all homicides, but it's just one more measure, and of course the government collects licensing fees and employees people in the licensing and registry offices. Personally, I think registry is pretty good and I don't see the cons of it.

>>693283711
>doesn't know what self defense is
Figures you're a Eurotrash sheep too busy sucking on paki cock.

>>693283711
I own you, does that count?

>>693283746
Define mass shootings please. Make sure it is the one everyone uses.
I'll be waiting.
Faggot.>>693283746

>>693273494
its a right that cant be alionated!

>>693283335
no its in the bill of rights

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>>693276130
You're right. Guns should be regulated like cars. There should be licenses that require mandatory training and they should be registered and insured before use.

I'm glad you came up with this plan, anon. It's nice to see some sense.

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>>693283403
Hell no. I could drive 5 minutes up the road, present my credit card and walk out with whatever I want. Pic of Georgia gun store for reference.

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>>693278866
So you're saying that even though they have more crime they still suffer fewer DEATHS than Amerifats do, because Amerifats have too many guns?

You know what?

I think you're right.

You just proved that guns are the problem because they turn violent crimes into fatal crimes.

>>693273494
Butt hurt confirmed.

Fuck off OP

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>>693283578
>STOP DISAGREEING WITH ME ARRRGGHH

>>693283142
My state doesnt require a license to have a gun (you have to get a license to conceal), but if you buy one you gotta register it and have a background check.

They aren't giving these fuckers away like candy over here, shits expensive too

>>693283711
Those sand niggers own your women. It's their natural right. Don't fuck with nature white boy.

>>693283085
>Actual muslims
They are actual Muslims. You forget in countries like Saudi Arabia insulting Islam is a crime punishable by beheading.

The problem is their religion has never gone through a reformation, same shit as Protestants and Catholics killing each other before Christianity underwent reformation. Different sects of the same religion murdering the fuck out of each other because they believe the other sect is heretical.

>>693283931
you cant take away rights! regulation is just a government way of stepping on rights. you have no right to drive but there is a natural right to own guns it says so in our bill of rights which we just friggen celebrated

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>>693276130
Cars should be banned though, but that's off-topic discussion.

>>693283955
>implying I'm angry about your ignorance
I already knew you were stupid - your statement proved it. You should really quit while you're ahead though, before people find out how retarded you really are.
Just trying to be helpful, friendo.

>>693283911
>wants to get into dictionary duels about definitions of mass shooting
pretty weak comeback
>amerilards killed by radical islamic violence since 9/11 = less than 46
>amerilards killed by amerilard guns (crime, suicide, accident) since 9/11 = 450,000
but yeah, let's argue about definitions of kill, it's not like there's any massive emergency affecting anybody.

>>693283782
yeah, nothings perfect. The laws are mostly there just to provide a methodology to punish people that break them. It's not like it stops things that people know they can get away with or scares people with a death wish.

Biggest problem these days the way i see it is unrealistic expectations. I don't expect the streets of any country to be completely safe. I don;t expect any government to protect me from everything. Bad shit happens, it always has and always will.

>>693284189
Questions are statements, and how would people 'find out how retarded I am' on an anonymous message board, unless like you I made it cringefully clear I was samefag by just making personal attacks rather than actually responding to the content of posts and being a typical amerifat.
>muh freedoms
>muh guns
>fug islam
>can't stump duh trump
>hurrrr

>>693284260
Thought so - because mass shooting is a buzzword for shit that can be lied about.
Like motherjones- "one mass shooting a day in 2015! OMGWTFBBQ!!"
Clickbait bullshit lying article. Even the fucking editor of MJ called bullshit on the author of the article about how it was a lie, and by legal FBI definition only 4 mass murders happened in 2015.
Take your cock gargling ways and fuck off back to sucking your Muslim overlords dick, you fucking greasy Europeon sheepfucker.

>>693284124
That's true, but generally the muslim immigrants in other countries are the ones that said "fuck this bullshit" and left.

So why does it make sense to anybody to target the ones most likely to not be into any of that. If they were so hardcore about burning infidels and taking over the world wouldn't they be there instead of running a liquor store in Queens?

I'm totally ok criticizing the actual back asswards fuckers in the missle east doing the shit. I think it's fucked when immigrants get targeted just for looking them though. They actually tried to distance themselves from it all and end up getting fucked in the other direction anyway.

>>693284168
If you think rights can't be regulated then I have 3 words for you.

Free speech zones.

Go look them up and enjoy your freedom, Amerilard. Thanks for your service O7

Every time I see a mass shooting in the states I'm reminded about how lucky I am to live in Australia.

>Need gun license
>Need legitimate reason for owning gun
>Can't buy one if you're an ex-con
>Guns have to be stored in safe. Safe needs to be bolted to the floor

>>693273744
These dubs don't lie.

>>693284318
Truth. People just have unreal expectations and everyone's thinks there opinion matters now. I'm sure walking around most US cities today is a lot safer than walking around 18th century London.

>>693284907
samefag.

>>693273857
America's murder rate is 3-4 times the average in the developed world. It is the only country where mass shootings regularly happen outside of warzones.

If you think the idea that human life is more valuable than the right of some obese rednecks to carrying around guns to overcompensate for their tiny, useless penis is somehow 'irrational', then you're a fucking idiot.

>>693284558
See - doing it now.
I don't support Trump, don't feel like all of Islam is the problem, only the radicals and their supporters, and enjoy all of my freedoms, including freedom of speech to let you know you're retarded.
But most importantly, I won't infringe on your rights to allow you to continue to prove just how retarded you are. It was only a suggestion to stop, pal.

>>693284924
Definitely is if I'm being fair. This country still pisses me the fuck off in a list of ways as long as a football field but even I must give credit where credit is due. I've never been mugged or robbed really. 30 years in this country and the worst that's happened to me is I left my car unlocked and got some things stolen.

But I think this is also partly due to the fact that I'm smart enough to avoid trouble because it is still out there.

>>693275024
Of course you did. The PATRIOT Act was immensely popular when it was first signed into law by your elected congress. The few people who opposed it were mostly progressives. Conservatives continued to defend it right up until January of 2009, when suddenly there was a scary black guy in the White House, and for some totally inexplicable reason they were no longer happy about giving the government absolute power to violate their privacy.

And because Republicans are all low information, low IQ retards, it didn't take long for them to genuinely believe that the PATRIOT Act was Obama's work, when in reality it was of course the work of Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, etc.

>>693284806
All public property is a free speech zone, some faggots on their private property are offended by mere words so they try to make designated zones where you can speak.

>>693285067
America also has 3-4 times more niggers and spics murdering each other because of gangster shit.

Haven't we establish that this isn't even about constitutional right to arms? It's about a $32 billion dollar -made in america- industry.

The federal government can adjust, amend or squash any of your constitutional rights.

>>693285422
You are falling for the partisan meme, the democratic party and the republican party are virtually the same. Both are power hungry fucks who don't care about the average citizen.

>>693285067
Every nation is developed now, motherfucker. There isn't a single fucking country in the world with primative technology.
All of them have some semblance of an infrastructure going that may or may not be reliable depending on the current socioeconomic conditions due to war or political strife.
The United States has the 13th highest firearm homicide rate in the world. All of the countries above the US have much stricter gun laws than even Australia and the U.K., and they have a staggering 2-25 times the murder rate.
Before you can accuse me of being a US citizen - I'm a Canadian.

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>>693273494
Jesus, another lefist idiot. Maybe it's better, that West is dying? I can't imagine future to this civilisation with idiots like this.

>>693285114
It's cool I get it, you have no friends, nobody likes you, and without generating conflict nobody would talk or response to you at all ;^)

>>693275502
you fucking peace of shit!

>>693285608
Sounds like projection. Do tell me more about "me" though.
It'll be our secret.

>>693284886
there would be no mass shootings if everyone was armed because then the mass shootings wouldn't happen.

>>693284806

Just because theres a law doesn't make it legal

>>693285067
We have minorities which the rest of the world doesn't because it's an immigration country

>>693285422
the patriot act was needed to fight the rise of terrorism at the time! 0bama used it to get the IRS to go after his enemies so it became too powerful

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>>693284712
>That's true, but generally the muslim immigrants in other countries are the ones that said "fuck this bullshit" and left.
The ones that integrate yes, the problem is when immigrants refuse to integrate so they become segregated. Segregation from normal society has bad effects that can manifest as; mental illness, social isolation, or in some cases violence. I agree you shouldn't single out a single group, the issue is the immigration system should measure heavier on if you can integrate with the society at large, and speak the language.

>>693285497
And the second amendment was made to prevent that from happening.

>>693285452
>America also has 3-4 times more niggers and spics murdering each other because of gangster shit.
Yeah but if they didn't have such easy access to firearms the murder rate would be a lot lower. It takes a lot of emotional zeal to stab someone to death, or hit them in the head with a blunt object until you're sure they're dead. Never herd of a drive-by stabbing.

>>693286032
>It takes a lot of emotional zeal to stab someone to death, or hit them in the head with a blunt object until you're sure they're dead.
Doesn't deal with the gang issue I mentioned, gangsters don't obey the law and illegal firearms aren't hard to acquire.

>>693285951
If that was the case G20 protests would be blood baths, and the current election would probably escalate into a civil war.

>>693286195
>firearms aren't hard to acquire.

Thanks, boo. BTW why don't they just close the 'illegal firearms' factories?

>>693285497
Would take a constitutional convention to abolish the 2nd amendment - that means 33 states would have to agree to it.
Good luck.

>>693286361
Because you can go to any hardware store and buy everything you need to make a shotgun or pistol/rifle.
You going to close down WalMart?

>>693286361
>BTW why don't they just close the 'illegal firearms' factories?
That will do nothing, guns can be manufactured with machining skills or a good 3d printer. It isn't some super top secret technology.

Plus police and military still use firearms, the supply of which you can never stop from reaching normal people with no respect for the law. Like drugs there is no winning.

>>693276017
I bet you have quite a fedora collection though

>>693277237
About 10ish years ago when gas spiked above $4 a gallon my father was filling up all his Jerry cans at the station and when waking out some big ass rednecks were taking them out of the back of his truck. He casually pulls his shirt back revealing his 9mm and politely request they put them back. They did of course.

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Never change, burgers.

>>693277237
The study done at the President's request by the CDC said that between 500,000 and 3 million defensive firearm uses occur each year.
Source: The Centers for Disease Control.

>>693273494
I thought after all those years of blowing up fireworks, the whole world would join us in celebration. Here we still are.

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>>693285607
So this "Hero" who shot his son is saving the wild, wild west? BOOYAH!

>>693285910
that can't be measured though.

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>>693284974
False

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>>693274159
Top Kek

>>693275375
Lmfao you seriously believe that shit happens

>>kid gets accidentally ran over by mother
>>BAN ALL VEHICLES

>>693289050
That's crazy talk. But guns though are totally responsible for all the murders.

>>693288973
Bad bait mate

Git gud

>>693287275
The dumb fuck is lucky to be alive.

Raising the stakes like that, over petrol? What if the rednecks had been packing too? Only in Murca.

>>693288443
If you speak to someone and they can't speak English properly you deport them, because it isn't possible for them to integrate into society. Simple.

>>693278591
http://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3

Here's why everything you say is wrong. At least things you've said about chances of being shot in America and whatnot.

>>693290429
that's fucking retarded.

>>693291161
If you can't speak the official language you can't get a job and you are a parasite, why should someone be allowed in if they are a parasite? Legitimate question.

>>693273494
>kid accidentally falls down a flight of stairs
>father still supports idiotic stair culture and right to have staircases in a two-story house
>MURICA

You can apply your logic to anything faggot

>>693273744
>USA
>Liberty

HAHAHAHAHNAH! Holy fuck mate. You're laws are just as privacy invading as the laws of Eastern Germany or Soviet Union.

I bet you guess are still doing the "we have a free market economy" meme. You guess are hilarious

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>>693290429
>implying all americans should be deported

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>>693291565
I guess you're a special kind of retard.
You see, stairs aren't actually designed to kill you and stairs might actually come in handy. What you don't need, are guns which you probably only use to shoot at fucking cans with. You made me laugh tho.
Damn, you're so brainwashed.
>inb4 muh libertah
>wat if am gettign muggd or robbed XD

>>693291898
American English is the only real English, all other dialects are communist terrorist speak.

>>693292181
>hunting doesn't exist
>pest control on farms isn't something that must be done
>the police will magically teleport to your home and save you, and they will not show up after you are already dead
Welcome to the real world, naive idealists need not apply.

>>693291898
Everything everyone keeps saying with random stats and infographics can be refuted here
http://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3
This is a study on gun violence ordered by Obama himself. There's a reason you haven't heard about it.

>>693292181
Dildos were made for women, but you and your boyfriend still manage to shove 2-3 in your ass a night.
Just because something was made for one thing, doesn't mean it has to be used for only that.

>>693278866
Maybe you'd like to look at how the US classifies violent crimes opposed to how the UK classifies violent crime.

>>693292458
One thing is to have guns for just having guns - another thing is to have guns for hunting.
How often do random people come in your house with the intention to kill you? If somebody comes in your house with a gun, they're probably gonna rob you. If they have a gun and you have a gun, they will probably shoot you or vice versa. Nobody really needs to die, as long as you call 911

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>this thread
>this fucking thread

>>693292185
You change spellings of words so your 67% of Ameritards under average level of intelligence may have a hope of spelling them correctly.

>>693292524
Honestly, what else will you use your gun for? Shooting up your school?

Lets ban everything people have accidentally been hurt from. OP doesn't know ass from elbow

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>>693292817
>canada be watching like

>>693292804
If someone comes in your house with a gun would you rather wait to see if they're gonna shoot you or not? I'd rather at least try to defend myself instead of being forced by the govt to turn into a blubbering mess begging for the life of my family or myself. If someone threatens the life of my child they absolutely need to die. And calling 911 only ensures someone will be there to clean up the mess. 911 doesn't protect anyone.

>>693292984
Or your family or shooting at the thief across a Walmart car park or you could get shot by your kid. 18 fatalities last year. Fuck off with responsible gun owners.

>>693292703
jesus, why are homicides so (relatively) high in greenland?

>>693293196
Here is the study done by Obama that proves the responsibility of gun owners

http://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3

>>693293281
Probably something to do with population. Idk

>gov takes all gun
>niggers and mexicans kill everyone
>the end

>>693276130
I advocate the right to bear arms but this is a really shit argument.

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>>693285067
It's 80% inter-gang and 10% drug related, so, I'd reckon a good 90% of them don't matter.
Then you forget the research done by the CDC which plain as day states that between 500,000 to 3,000,000 crimes are stopped by law abiding citizens with firearms.
So, I really don't give a fuck about 33,000 or so people dying considering that even at the lowest end of the spectrum that, disproportionately, firearms are used to stop crime than used to kill.

Then as all Eurocucks do "t-t-the mass shootings tho."
First off, they're irrelevant.
Second off, they've almost all happened in gun-free zones.
Third off, plenty of Euroshit countries have a higher death per capita rate when it comes to mass shootings.

Just shut the fuck up and stop trying to push your hyper-lefty Euroshit on us.
You've never lived here, and you'll never understand.

>>693293345
okay i googled it tl;dr the population is mostly snow monkeys

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>>693278866
Violent crimes in the US: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.
>https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/violent-crime/violent-crime
And though I can't find out exactly what the definition is in the UK, it includes incidents without injury.
>http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/2015-07-16#violent-crime

Gee, I wonder why the UK has 4 times as many "violent crimes" as the USA.

Now, if you're still dense enough to believe USA has no problem, let's look at Wikipedia's intentional homicide rates.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Sort high to low and scroll down - tell me, what is the first country you find that's considered first world? Hint: Russia is a second world country.

>>693293921
Thanks for that friendo. Here's stats to back you up for you're trouble

http://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3

>>693292984
Summer Olympics have firearms in them.

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>>693294032
>Unintentional injury is the leading cause of death in Americans aged 1 to 44 (NCHS, 2012). Firearm-related injury, in particular, is a serious threat to the health of the nation

>>693275502
what's the original?

>>693275502
fuck you

>>693294015
In one year, guns murdered

nobody...ever! Guns can't commit murder. They have no will of their own, because they're inanimate fucking objects!

>>693274406
>is worried that someone knows hes watching furry and cuck porn

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>>693273494
>accidentally

Stop reading right there.

>>693284260
>less than 46

>50 killed in orlando just last month

You probably think that San Bernandino wasn't terrorism, don't you cuck?

>>693275502
Clever

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>>693294566
Ah yes, semantics > sources.

>>693281987
Not possible to "hoard automatic rifles" considering you'd need to gain a federal license to obtain them and they cost about as much as your average premium used car.

I think you're unfairly and ignorantly singling out rifles that look like the ones you see in movies and the people that own them. You should probably fix that.

>>693294964
It's not semantics, it's truth. Liberal cunts always blame the gun when some nut job goes on a killing spree.

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>>693294032
the studies cited have been debunked dozens of times. Their methodology was a simple phone survey which called people up and asked them 'have you used a gun for self defence'. So of course respondents would include things like hearing a noise in the yard at night and checking it out with a gun. Even if it was just a racoon.

Measuring crimes that didn't happen can be tricky, but if you look at statistics for justifiable homicide (which are based on actual statistics from the justice system and not phone surveys) you can see that there are only about 200 every year (out of over eleven thousand fatal shootings in the US). It's somewhat unlikely that there are hundred of thousands of defensive uses of guns every year and yet only 200 of those incidents actually ends up with someone getting fatally shot.

>>693274741
That's not what natural selection means

>>693273494
Stop being such fucking pussies id rather die in a gun fight like a man then die in my sleep at 80 still wondering wow this world is still shit and I died for nothing

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>>693284112
> trying this hard
get outta here fido

Is it easier to blame the gun or the person? Real question

>>693295253
Nevermind that the post also had a link to Wikipedia listing the USA as the first-world country with the highest homicide rate.

But yeah, you're right, everything in that post was completely wrong because it said "guns murdered" and not "guns were used to murder" in the picture.

>>693295375
No one has debunked the CDC study, you know, the one ordered by Obama.

>>693283142
Slippery slope. That would imply that all constitutionally preserved rights could be regulated in a similar way.

Example: you now must obtain a license to practice your preferred religion.

I realize your response will likely try to point out that this is unlikely, but remember that this is not the only possible outcome. At the end of the day, this idea is more dangerous than the guns we're all so afraid of.

>>693278591
Yeah but that's retatded. Statistically to be in a car accident you need to be in a car. Of course more fun accidents happen where guns are.

>>693295584
>using 1st world incorrectly
It means NATO or Warsaw Pact nation. Retard.

>>693273494
>accidentally run over someone
>holy shit, cars should be banned!!

>>693284260
ok, but whats the % per citizen that is a towel head?
this makes a huge difference.

>>693273951
This is ironic, considering how from my view, (as somebody who loves guns but still wants restrictions placed on them) the only argument people like you have against regulation is simply "Fuck you. I like guns."

Take away guns and you still have knives...
>when a kid accidentally cuts himself while playing in the knife drawer, liberals don't blame the knife
>they blame the parents
>as should everyone else

In some third-world African countries where children don't have access to guns, they still go on killing sprees with knives or machetes in a sort of "school stabbing"

Knives kill more stupid children per year than guns, even in the USA

>>693295899
then it becomes like britain where you can't even have kitchen knives

>>693295633
the study linked here
>>693294032
cites the Kleck study in the section on defensive gun use. The Kleck study is exactly the one that's been debunked time and time again.

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>>693295741
Oh, boo, hoo, I made a mistake. Apparently you're beat by those few murderhappy nignogcountries in southern Africa, what a feat to be proud of!

>>693294412
Did you read the part at the bottom that said that violence, both real and fantasy, in media is more responsible than private legal gun ownership for gun crime and mass shootings?

>>693295375
Once again, 2A exists for many reasons. Principal among them is the balance of power between government and citizenry. What libs fail to realize is that it doesn't matter if this is practical or possible, meaning armed citizens might not be able to overthrow a government. But this doesn't matter. In its simplest form, 2A is a deterrent. Iraq and Afghanistan are good examples of how this works. As mighty as the coalition forces are, they can't seem to take over the country and force those people to live the way they want because there is an armed resistance. 2A ALSO serves as a means for citizens to defend themselves and their property and it ALSO allows them to hunt for food or for sport.

At the end of the day, the United States is very different than any other country. The world probably just needs to accept that and stop slobbering on themselves over it.

>>693275502
(you)

>>693296074
Citation needed

>>693275727
What freedoms have you lost in the last 5-10 years? Be specific.

>>693296074
It also laid out an extremely broad split for the defensive gun uses and at the very least (200k) still vastly outweighs any kind of gun crime.

>>693295584
That's all irrelevant to the fact that the picture is wrong.

>>693296187
You seem to make a lot of mistakes.

>>693295899
This is bullshit. This is nowhere near accurate. Guns are much more effective weapons than knives OBVIOUSLY. Go try and kill 20 or more people in one building with a knife, you fucking retard. See how well that works. Then go try it with an AR15. Huh, notice how it becomes actually possible? Turn off fox news. Turn on your brain.

>>693296374
This. Article two of our bill of rights is one of the checks and balances of our government against overreach of federal power.

>>693275502
Hhhj

>>693275502
Fuck you.

>>693297026
Fuck you. You think a bunch of overweight rednecks are going to be able to hold their own against the American military? Sweet titty-fucking Nelson Memehouse, you're a delusional idiotic basement dwelling hamplanet trump supporter aren't you?

>>693296934
It's also possible with a pocket full of ammo and a lever action 30 cal.

What's your point?

>>693296934
And guns are more effective in stopping a mass shooter than hiding under a desk or cowering behind a cubicle. That's why cops bring guns with them when they go to stop the bad guy.

>>693297189
See, you forgot to read the post that anon was quoting. If you had, you might gain some intelligence.

>>693296934
Theres regular mass stabbings in China. The deadliest shootings have taken place in countries with strict gun control because nobody can fight back (Korean shooting back in the 80s anyone, or breivik). Criminals in Australia have there own weapons manufacturing operations where blowback sub machine guns are built from scratch, not to mention the "sieges" that regularly occur in some of the city's there. And it's illegal to own a gun for self protection.

>>693297189
>doesn't know what a "deterrent" is.
>calls someone else idiotic.

>>693295899
Nice dubs but going to need a source on that 'knives kill more children than guns do' statement. Its like 5x more gun homicides than knife homicides for the general US population

>>693297477

I'd be interested to know what your definition of the word 'regular' is.