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Ok fags, i need your honest thoughts.


I'm thinking about buy from Digital Storm.

Have any of you dealt with them before?

NO I DON'T WANNA BUILD MY OWN PC FUK OUTTA HERE NIGA
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>>693197422
Build one you faggot

I am

I just need a list of all the parts to make one
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>>693197422

I'm literally having a computer from them flown in tomorrow. I'll see what's what.
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>>693197842
Skype name?
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Which one are you looking to get
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>>693197422
>He buys his PC's premade.
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>>693197966
Aventum 3 level 4
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>>693197951

>skype
>implying

No, gimme your steam name, and I'll throw you a line.
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>>693198032
>MrAlex777
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>>693197767
General what you need.
>a processor
>motherboard
>some memory
>gpu
>psu
>case
>storage ssd/hdd
>optical drive (optional these days)
>after market cooler (recommended if you gonna do any kind of gaming)
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>>693198030
why not level three, do you actually need that cpu?
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>>693197422
I recently bought one. It got here then caught on fire. They fixing it rn
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>>693198120
>MrAlex777

Sent. my name's all egypty
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>>693198395
Not really, i guess? i'm just looking for something nice looking and something that will last me a while
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>>693198267
Sweet thanks anon

I was needing that
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>>693197422
Build your own PC you faggot.
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>>693198420

Fucking Jamal left his mixtape in, didn't he?
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>>693198420
The fuck? it blew up on you?
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>>693198543
Don't forget a copy of windows brah.
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>>693198578
Kek'd.
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>>693198648
Yes it literally caught on fire. Hands down worst feeling ive ver felt. Idk what caused it hopefully they figure it out so that shit dont happen again
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>>693198515
well since level three is like 1,5k less i think you should go with that one considering that its two level above the 6700k which is already known as the best gaming cpu and every thing else is the same, also there is no way there are bottlenecks or will be for a very long time
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>>693198845
Wich one u get anon?

Velox or somethin?
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ITT: Mad poorfags that hate the fact that people have more money than them

If you want to save money and get experience, build it yourself. If you have the money and want to buy one, then there's nothing wrong with that. It's easy to trigger brokefags though.

Digital Storm is really good. The support's top tier and I've rarely read of any issues.

Also, this guy is making shit up:
>>693198420
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>>693198845
WTF caught fire? As far as I know there's nothing in a computer that burns. Melts, maybe, but not burns

Somebody dun fucked up.
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>>693197422
never dealt with them but have dealt with too many ibuypower pcs. The cable management is usually awful and messy
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>>693199067
Yea i'm sure D/S is fine.. it's just 4k is a lot to a low nub such as my self. so i gotta be skeptical


have you bought from them before?
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I've built 3 computers so far and I still hate building them. This isn't OP. It's such a pain in the ass because one little thing you do out of order at one stage becomes a HUGE pain in the ass later on. For example if you don't put the motherboard backplate on early, then you basically have to start over to get it on or else try to shove it in place. And don't get me started with the pain in the ass that is CPU fans.

So yeah OP I don't blame you. I was considering Digital Storm for my most recent PC but I did settle on building it.
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>>693199602
Well if it's a lot for you then people are right, you should build your own and save the ridiculous cost they'd charge you in labor. If you're a richfag, then go for it.
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http://pcpartpicker.com/list/7DLtJV this is the reason not to buy prebuilt, theirs cost 2.3 thousand more for their special case and water cooling
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>>693199811
>spends 3k
>gets a processor that's not even 3.5
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>>693199965
omg wow what processor do you have bitch
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>>693197422
Buy from ironsides m8
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>>693197422

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DcdXA3FOf8
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>>693199965
oops i don't care, I'm sure that it doesn't affect the performance that much
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>>693200052
off by 52

kill your self
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>>693199067
nigga it cost 500$ to paint this computer red like wtf
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>>693200052
Jesus Christ, my fucking dual processor from 10 years ago was 3.21Ghz
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>>693198267
You don't need a fucking after market cooler unless you are planning on overclocking, like don't waste money on a part that you don't really need. If you want to overclock anything water cool, your GPU especially.
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>>693200311
wow well this one has eight cores and hyper threading so gg guy
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Don't spend your money on a gaming Pc.
stop playing games and grow up a little bit.
Only kids play games now days.
Go outside and get laid Op
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>>693200862
>I'm a lonely autistic virgin that plays games and makes fun of people who plays so everyone else is just like me
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>>693198267
I would like to add not to cheap out on the PSU. It's tempting, but bad PSUs kill components, houses, and people.

>>693200745
Too bad that having a lot of cores isn't useful for a lot of stuff.
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>>693200745

>my processor can do fancier things in the time it takes your old processor to do multiple useful things!
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>>693200862

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

GTFO CHAD
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>>693199067
richfag here

This faggot is probably working for them lol, only someone under 5 or over 60 can't build a computer nowadays. Then again, I'm rich because I don't waste my money on bullshit.
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>>693198005
at least he doesn't save the save picture twice
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>>693197422
OP, just fucking do it

Cyberpower PC had a billion negative reviews

Yet I put together an online list and my machine arrived perfect, and runs like a champion

The point is, if you have the money, and want to, just do it. Refund/damage policies exist for a reason

DO IT
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I kind of enjoy having a bunch of parts arrive in the mail over a week, and then putting it all together, so I don't have much experience with prebuilts. Do you just give them a list of parts and they stick it all together?
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>>693201788
You forgot this.
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>2016
>not wanting to build it yourself and your only response is to call everyone that would advise that a nigger

topcuck OP. You deserve the shit you get.
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>>693197422
>NO I DON'T WANNA BUILD MY OWN PC FUK OUTTA HERE NIGA

>I don't want to fuck my own wife, I want someone else to do it.

When did you decide to become a cuck OP?
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>>693202253
Op here.

I fucking laughed out loud, gg.

But srsly go kill your self.
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>>693202253
I think it's more of a fear factor than a cuckold one.

OP is fraid he might bend a pin. Had my 12 year old hooking up SLI'd 1080s last week..

its so hawd isnernt ert OP?
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>>693202401
OP, I'm >>693201788 , also, checking myself

I've built computers before, but I have the extra money now because I'm not a child, so I had them do it. Anyways, the people who show aggression about it are jelly children who can't buy their own, so don't listen to them

JUST DO IT LIKE >>693202060 SAID
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>>693200627
You kinda need one, the Shintel Haswell coolers are garbage compared to the $20 212 Evo
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>>693202401
>But srsly go kill your self.
Why? I'm not the cuck who can't elementary school something.
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>>693199067
From experience, it is weirdly cheaper to buy a premade PC from a smaller retailer and swap out parts than to build one here in the UK.
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High-jacking thread
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/TWDLkT
Rate my planned build.
Do you think it'll be adequate in power for running two monitors "smoothly" while one plays a stream and the other a game?
Also ignore windows 10.
Windows 7 Premium which is what I'm running now is $200 and I really don't want to spend that much on an "outdated" OS.
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>>693202872
The only negative thing about the build is the GTX 970. It's definitely only a 3.5/4 card.
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>>693197422
>Digital Storm
Usually a 600$ labor overhead.. It will take you about 2 to 3 hours to build your computer.

I doubt you make 200 an hour OP.
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>>693202671
>Thinks building it yourself is only about saving money
>Saving money is only for children

How's that fantasy going for you? If you wish for it hard enough, you might just magic yourself out of that basement..that's some wizard-tier projection you got going on
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>>693202872
>http://pcpartpicker.com/list/TWDLkT
saw the amd and noped out

>>693203212
I get this reference.. considering I bought two of the fuckers...
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>>693202872
fuck off with the amd shit
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>>693199387
I've seen it happen. A guy I knew in college built a PC out of god knows what parts and I literally saw it burst into flames. I'm not sure how he did it, then again he often went full retard.
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>>693197422
>NO I DON'T WANNA BUILD MY OWN PC

>NO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLAY WITH LEGOS OR ASSEMBLE A LAMP
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>>693203402
>>693203556
Well what do you fucks recommend?
I've never build a PC, and I was told having the 8 cores would satisfy my power hunger.
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What do I do if I wanna build a water cooling setup with the new 1080
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>>693202872
>AMD
I-Is this one of those meme things?
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>>693197422
wait for zen
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>>693203713
>"it's all about having moar coars!"
>What is IPC
>What is single-thread performance

You're not wrong, but you're also not right. There's a lot more to it than that. It's time you tumble down the self education hole and start learning.
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>>693203713
The software environment is designed around the Intel hardware environment. Most AMD cores will be under-utilized while others are over-utilized.

Get a Skylake i7 if you want excess power.
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>>693203881
Zen?
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>>693199633
It takes literally 2-3 hours at most to build a computer along with cable management (crazy custom water loops excluded). l2p bitch
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>>693200862
>grow up
>pic from child's movie

lol
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Give DS marketing team a raise for coming to /b/. I'm sure they'll get a few cucks buying their shit from this post.
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>>693204025
Zen is a processor that is going to be released by AMD probably 4'th quarter of this year. It should be a cheaper solution.

Right now, if you game, get an intel i5. As much as I root for AMD their current processors suck,
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>>693203713
I would say an i5 6th generation skylake is adequate, but if you really want overkill, go for an i7.
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>>693200977
How is having multiple cores not useful for "a lot of stuff"?
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>>693204064
And suppose that you have one or more defective parts when you build it yourself, how do you handle debugging which component is the issue? I've been lucky so far and all mine worked, but I would have had no fucking clue how to isolate which part is broken and I've used computers all my life. Especially if the issue is power supply or motherboard in weird non obvious ways. It would be a HUGE pain and I'm a software developer who used computers all my life.

If you order a computer from something like digital storm, you go through their support for ANY issue and plus they already tested it before building it. It becomes their problem to fix any issue and not yours.
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My problem with all these pre-built gaming rigs (and custom builds as well) is that they all try to look edgy with clear side panels and bright ass LEDs everywhere and cases with all these extra angles and sharpness everywhere.

Am I the only one that thought this shit stopped looking cool when I was 18? Give me nondescript case with great sound insulation and baller thermal management, with options to cable manage if I want to. Stop trying to make my computer look like an early 2000s sexspec car.

Fuck it is embarrassing.
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>>693203713
If nothing else, I would suggest waiting for Zen to drive prices down.

Right now, get a 6500k or 6600k if you plan on just gaming. The 6700 i7 is better for doing high power stuff. I think that the 390 is a better card than the 970, but both are perfectly acceptable for 1080-1440p, get whichever you can find cheaper.

>>693204429
I mostly meant for gaming and normal computing. From my limited understanding, programming things to take advantage of multiple cores is hard.
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>>693203881

this
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>>693198005
>>693201589

oh shit
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>>693197422
BUILD YOUR OWN! I have built my first pc ever and it is compact small form factor PC. Basically, everyone has stated to me, don't build your first PC as a small form factor PC because you are inexperience with even building them

I said fuk that! I want something small with a lot of kick for gaming. So i did. Here is my build.
EVGA GeForce 4gb GTX 970 SC
Intel Core i5-4690K Processor 3.5 GHz Quadcore
Mini-Itx Msi H81I motherboard
SilverStone Technology 600W SFX Form Factor
Crucial Ballistic 16gb ddr3 ram
Crucial BX100 250GB SSD
Raven Z Mini-ITX RZV01 Black Case

If me, a person that has never knew anything about PC and only built it to play RUST can do it you can too.

it is cheaper and more powerful than anything you will buy from these websites.
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>>693203966
>>693204421
>>693204839
I'm noticing pc part picker seems to only show AMD, so I hadn't thought about going with something else.
It would make a hell of a lot more sense to have an Intel processor.
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>>693204839
Programming things to take advantage of multiple cores is still in its infancy. Threading does exist but it's a limited technology, as of now having 8 cores basically means 8 different applications are running in unison at the same time and that's a gross oversimplification. You are right though, as far as gaming the cores won't really have much an effect in regards of performance. Just wanted to point out that multiple cores are, in fact, very useful.
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>>693205289
Waddup?
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>>693204744
Expanding on this, I did have a power supply issue recently which was causing my PC to crash with a loud buzzing sound. I had no idea it was the power supply and I thought it was my video card. So I returned my video card and got another and had the same exact issue and at that point I was pretty sure it was either the motherboard or power supply so I changed the power supply. But then I realized maybe I didn't have to change the power supply, but instead I should have used a different VGA connector (non modular connector) on the modular power supply into the video card than the one I did use. So yeah it's really just a huge pain in the ass dealing with a lot of that shit and I'd recommend not building because it saves a lot of possible hassle.
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>>693202872
>http://pcpartpicker.com/list/TWDLkT
*sigh* Ok, so hers is the deal. You are paying about $100 more than you should be on your mobo, You way over built on the PSU, and windows 7 is $23. You say you don't want to invest in "outdated" things but you still go with AM3+. your cpu is fine but just know it is built on old architecture. You will be fine on a 600w PSU. And unless you care a lot about how much power you use a month bronze is fine on PSU (its a rating of how efficient it is, not quality). Idk how I feel about the 970 at its price now that we have the RX 480 out, Id say give it a bit to get the power draw issues hammered out. I personally don't like more than 1tb HDDs since once you put more than 1tb worth of info on them they start to physically take longer to read the outer rim of the plates. Also, go western digital or go home.

All in all, make these changes and you should be golden (and have about $200 ish dollars more in your pocket).
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Found 5TB Hard Drive for under 200 a pop western digital, gonna put 4of them in my tower, is this too much space?
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>>693205470
That's because you chose a motherboard with an AMD socket, so you'll only get compatible Processors (which are going to be AMD processors).

If you want Intel, you need to select an Intel motherboard. Right now the latest Intel chipset for Skylake is the Z107 chipset, so motherboards with that designation will be Skylake-compatible Intel processors, because it has the proper socket (LGA1151).
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>>693205450
i made sure to take a pic of the thread in my screen to show you OP that this is real. When anons are telling you to build your own they are not lying.
You can do it, you will save tons of money and the gratification of building it and watching it boot up is amazing. Even better than child birth!
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>>693205470
I think what happened is that mobo only supports AMD CPUs, and PCpartpicker is kind enough to keep you from getting parts that don't work together.
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>>693206185
Are you going to be running a NAS on them?

Unless you plan on archiving a lot of space-heavy files on them, I'd consider that excessive space. Even extreme gaming enthusiasts and power users typically don't need more than 2TB tops, UNLESS you're a video editor on the regular.
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>>693204744
Learn how to google shit for fuck sake. You people are the laziest twats on the planet. Like, basic trouble shooting guides can pretty well isolate issues withing maybe a few hours tops. Don't buy shitty parts and 99% of the time you are fucking fine.
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>>693206185
Why do you need 20Tb of fucking storage? Don't just go for the max dude. Throw 2 SSDs or hybrid drives in that bitch. Better read/write speed than mechanical HDD and it will increase your performance. You can also do raid 1 and 0. Stripe the SSDs/hybrids and mirror the HDD.
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>>693206071
>>693206189
I'd like to take a moment to thank everyone helping out fixing my fuck ups, I'm still completely new to this stuff and am just now starting to feel progress.
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>>693200627
I don't over clock and because of my coolmaster the damn thing runs cool. seriously it's awesome. worth the extra $40 to keep my $400 CPU cool.
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>>693205495
Fuk outa here boi
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Also meant to add that the sweet spot for GPU-cost performance is around the 250-350 dollar range. Anything more and diminishing returns sets in really hard.
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>>693206505
No mostly tool around with photo shoop and a little music making soft ware from time to time. DL lots of music/movies though
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>>693206678
No problem bro, check out Linus tech on youtube and maybe JaysTwoCents. They have a lot of really good info on basics.
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>>693206678
No problem at all, just don't ask /g/ for help.
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>>693207125
^^^^^^
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>>693207125
I tend not to go to board dedicated to specific things for fear of being crucified.
>What can I go to improve the form on the fight arm?
>"kill yourself you talent-less fuckboi"
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>>693207387
Yeah it's sad when /b/ of all places is more inclined to answer questions than the topic-specific boards.
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>>693206672
My first build anon, still not super familiar with all the stuff, guess I just figuring more is better than less? Ha.. And from what I've seen the SSD's are quite a bit more for a decent size right?
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>>693197422
Build one faggot.
You are literally retarded not to.
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>>693197422
Build your own you stupid cunt.

You're literally buying a DS to save yourself 5 hours of assembly and installation (with some leeway for beginners included) and to get the gay as fuck case.

Why spend the extra few hundred? Use that extra cash to set up a steam account with some games or buy a better video card. The whole point of PC gaming is to have a higher level of control over your hardware and software compared to consoles.
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>>693206678
No problem, I'd speculate a lot of us are hardware enthusiasts and support technicians that do this stuff with a passion (including myself!).

One suggestion though, get a mechanical keyboard with NKRO. A good gaming computer doesn't mean jack if your keyboard is a mushy rubber dome with 2KRO that wears out every few months.

The easiest way to explain why this is almost necessary is that NKRO stands for n-key rollover, meaning that an NKRO keyboard can properly register key presses no matter how many keys are being pressed. A keyboard with 2KRO (basically every rubber dome keyboard out there, there are no rubber dome keyboards with NKRO) is only going to be able to register 2 key presses properly at the same time before any more presses go unregistered.

Proper peripherals are key to a good gaming experience, and mechanical keyboards can run a fair sum of money real quick when looking at them. I suggest the G710+ mech.
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>>693200627
you stingy fucking jew, i bet your rig is barebones as fuck
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>>693205495
kys
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>>693208063
tbh any mechanical keyboard over $50 is likely to have n-key rollover.

He's not restricted to buying gaymer gear - he could buy any brand from Ducky to Logitech to Steelseries. At that point it becomes more about ergonomics and aesthetic.
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>>693207727
Per unit of storage yes, the SSDs are much more expensive. But you'd be fine running with 2 250GB SSDs to run applications from and the HDDs to store information. Put your OS on a partition (or volume if Windows) within the SSDs and it'll boot faster than traditional mechanical hard drives. If you honestly need 20TB of space to store data then you can buy external drives. But even if you download a lot of music and such, I guarantee 3/4 of that 20TB space will go unused and you'll have lost money. Like I said though, even a hybrid drive (flash memory and mechanical parts) is a better investment than a HDD and they're much more cost effective than SSDs for a relatively similar performance.
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>>693200627
The fuck, does your CPU practise fire breathing as a hobby too? Get the fuck outta here with that stupid shit.
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>>693208495
Right on, thanks for the info anon I'll look into the hybrid drive, though I'll probably need more than 500GB, as I have close to 200GB of music at the moment. Thanks again.
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>>693208495
This.
Im running a 250 ssd for my os and other programs. and dual 2 tb sshd and they run games like a fucking champ.
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>>693208063
I'm going to be honest here, I was planning on just keeping my shitty out of the box hp keyboard and mouse.
They came with this shitty all in one computer and they're what I'm use to and haven't crapped out on me yet.
On top of that I'm not looking for an insane gaming rig, more-so a power rig to I cam multi task on it.
Speaking of which I found this:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vkCwrH/asrock-motherboard-z97extreme6
And I'm going to be honest I feel lost trying to find a good motherboard now, and I'm actively trying to stay away from ones with GAMING in the name because they're causing me to hear the sounds of Doritos crunching and Mountain Dew being gulped.
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>>693208597
He's right though? Water cooling is really only effective for A.) Overclocking or B.) Super intensive computing. Even with today's games, proper fan placement is more than enough to cool your CPU and GPU. A large tower will be fine with 3 fans in the right places.
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>>693197422
>I'm thinking about getting ripped off cause I'm too dumb to assemble a PC that is as easy to do as a Lego set.
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>>693209013
If you have 4 bays open then the 500GB of flash storage will still leave you with 10TB of storage. Like I said, you won't be storing any user data i.e. downloads on those SSDs, they're strictly for OS and other applications such as games. You want 2 min so you can implement striping.
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>>693209361
After market fans include something as simple as the Hyper 212x Evo for $30 though. The stock fans are absolutely abysmal at maintaining optimal temperatures for a CPU under load.

Compound with the fact that maybe OP lives in a hotter climate or wants a mITX build where shit heats up more rapidly, it really doesn't hurt to give some headway for a cooler in the budget.
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>>693197422
>paying a shit ton more for no reason
>guys I cannot into lego

learn it brudda
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>>693199811
>http://pcpartpicker.com/list/7DLtJV
>founders edition

topkek
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>>693209912
Unless OP is sitting in Nevada with no central AC I don't see the need for water cooling. Three 180mm performance fans in a large enough case to allow adequate airflow, coupled with a heatsink that isn't garbage, is more than enough cooling for any game on the market. I will give you the mITX argument, though. But who would want to build a SFF PC?
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>>693209289
That's a Z97 chipset motherboard. Z97 is the previous generation of Intel processors, the Haswell 5th generation. Haswell processors use the motherboard socket LGA1150, so you'll need to make sure that the processor you order is a Haswell-generation processor, or otherwise listed as an LGA1150 socket compatible processor.

The Z97 chipset allows for the overclocking of compatible-Haswell processors such as the Intel i5-4690k. Only Intel processors with a "k" designation are eligible for use of the ability to overclock them using the Z97 chipset. For instance, while the i5-4690k is eligible for overclocking, the i5-4460 is not (both are of extremely close stock capabilities, but only the K processor can achieve anything beyond that).

The Z97 chipset is the highest chipset available for Haswell processors. You won't see a degradation in performance for using a chipset with an H designation, but you won't have any overclock capabilities with compatible processors, and generally, lower chipset motherboards tend to be of a cheaper construction. The Z97 chipsets (the Z chipset line in general) require high quality components used in construction, and have a slim margin for errors in production. The Z97 chipset is a safe choice, if you want to spend money and avoid the hassle of taking a (very small) chance with lower chipsets.
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>>693209843
Nice, again thanks... I have everything bought except my HD's and my case has four slots for HDs so I will look into that, appreciate the information.
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>>693211060
No problem dude. Remember your ESD prevention techniques and to make sure all your shit is compatible before opening boxes.
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>>693198845
perhaps the power supply?
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>>693197422
rolling
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>>693210777
Well, from experience in building for friends in Australia I've found that even just a $30USD cooler is pretty necessary in maintaining a cool CPU in the spring and summer months if you're a gamer. And for the price of 3x180mm case fans you may as well keep the (usually 2) provided case fans and buy a cheap after-market cooler in my opinion.

mITX are also favoured for my mates because they move around a lot with work or university, so that's another matter. I like them too, simply because I hate flashy or show-offy things but that's more a matter of aesthetic preference. I'd choose a SFF PC if my Fractal Case wasn't so damn wonderful.
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>>693211060
Oh, one more thing. Make fucking sure your video card fits. I had some trouble convincing my 390 to get inside my old case.


Fuck you captcha, Kiwis are not oranges
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>>693212113
This so much. Gigabyte cards are especially large so always make sure you know before you buy.
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>>693210821
So say I'm not looking to overclock, then I shouldn't worry about if the processor ends with a "k"?
>cause those processors look expensive, even if they look like what I ultimately want.
Would something like a i5-4590 3.3GHz be sufficient?
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>>693211879
I guess you're right. I've only ever installed coolers for showoffs who wanna put food dye in their shit for a cool glow.
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>>693197422
>2016
>Computers are easier to build than ever before
>Buying a premade computer
>Wanting to waste $250+ because you're fucking lazy
Waow
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>>693212336
Don't let these idiots fool you. Anything above 3.2 GHz will run anything at the consumer level fine. A fast CPU doesn't mean shit if your other components don't compliment it. Make sure you have good RAM and enough of it, and a CPU w/ turbo will be perfect.
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>>693212336
Yes, processors such as the i5-4590 are essentially i5-4690k's without the ability to overclock, since they have roughly the same performance margins at their stock clocks. Processors that are unable to be overclocked will still run absolutely fine on Z97 motherboards.
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>>693212421
You're argument isn't without merit though, I will give you that. I feel like we're just accommodating for two different demographics
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>>693212639
poorfag says what
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>>693212639

$250 isn't a whole lot when you make more than that in the time it would take to build a computer.

Then again OP wouldn't be taking up this time to ask opinions if that were the case.

OP also wouldn't be asking about pre-builds on 4chan if he wasn't trolling.

>itt: poor faggot niggers and a ton of summer
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