>>693190178
Kill yourself shitskin

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>>693190178
Not a muslim /b/ro but curious about asking someone who, of course does it.

Why do you participate in Ramadan? What's the whole jig behind it? (Curiosity strikes me heavy.)

Hello all Muslim /b/ er's

This is athiest. I've honestly been trying to get a copy of the Quran. I'm almost done reading the entire bible and I figure I will try to read every major religious text. Aside from the Quran, is there more I need to read that is considered part of required reading?

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>>693190470
Makes me feel good when I do it. I'm not heavy in religion and I hardly visit the Mosques, but doing it makes me feel like I'm part of something greater.
That's really it, and the food tasted so much better after it. Makes you happy for the things you have.

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>>693191101
Oops.

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>>693190178
Kill yourself you shitskinned goat fucking sandnigger.

>>693191110
>like I'm part of something greater.
Well guess what my man you're not

>>693191463
Edgy.
I live in the Midwest of America and have never seen a goat or the desert. Nice try though /pol/

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>>693190178
Nope

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Shut the fuck up sand nigger

>>693190178
>2016
>religion

wat

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>>693190178
Did you really come to /b/ expecting a significant amount of muslim users?

Prob bait but whatever

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>>693191808
Just wait till Trump is elected and you and all of your kind vanish to concentration camps.

Shitskinned goat fucking terrorist sandnigger.

>>693190178
Get out of here you disgusting subhuman trash. Stupid fucking sand niggers.

>>693190178
Eating: BLT
Drinking: "intoxicants"
Playing: not fucking a 9 year old

You know why muslims can't eat pork? It's wrong to eat family members.

>>693191808
just try not to blow my goddamn country up because of your shit-tier god and his retarded followers

Here's a question, why do Muslims still follow that rule of "no pork because it's a tainted, dirty meat because religion" rule when EVERYBODY knows by now that it had nothing to with the "will of God" or it being a dirty animal and more so just Muslims being dumb faggots trying to preserve raw dirty meat In a hot climate area

>>693192502
dunno

why do people still hate queers when the entire book of leviticus is obviously just a book of primitive sanitation guidelines

>>693192220
>>>/pol/
>>693192348
Kek
>>693192502
It's forbidden, just like jacking off is, and saying "God damn it" to Christians. Doesn't mean we don't do it.

>>693193129
Was that supposed to be like a "gotcha" question? I'm not christian so I don't give a fuck. Literally anytime someone questions another religion some needle dick pops up with a "B-BUT CHRISTIANITY DOES THIS TOO!!!"

>>693192348
>a 9 year old

You realize the Muslims have a different calendar?

>>693190178
> OP's gf

So how does that work out? Are you forbidden from doing anything with her until marriage?

>>693193465
no, I was genuinely just expanding on your point for the hell of it

the koran is just the muslim version of the new testament anyway because they didn't want to accept a jew as their big-dick prophet, all three abrahamic faiths share the old testament as a base

>>693193824
My mistake. It's hard to tell the tone of comments online sometimes

>>693190178
Are you allowed to watch a movie where they clone dinosaurs? I know you aren't allowed to watch Harry Potter so that seems a little far-fetched.

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>>693190178
>>693191110
you're not even really fasting. you eat at night. i do that every day. and not drinking all day is just stupid and nothing else. stop acting like you're the center of the world, when you're actually the scum of the world.

>>693194483
you know, the hick redneck side of my family also forbids their kids from watching harry potter

sometimes I wonder if these people know just how much they have in common with the enemy

>>693194929
But does the "hick redneck" side of your family ban the kids from watching Harry Potter because they believe magic is real but only God is allowed to use it?

>>693195229
that's the exact reason why

when I told them I quit my job and got another one because my boss was an evil asshole, the first question they asked was "did he practise black magic"

crazy-ass fuckin fundies

>>693190178

im not muslim, but my family is. i could have eaten, but i chose to fast the entire month.

i do it because it makes you appreciate your life more. it sets things into perspective.

the thirst you get at the end of the day, is something other people live with daily all theyr life, and some dont even get to drink at the end of the day.

its a nice tradition, and you are also supposed to donate minimum 2% of your yearly income to the poor.

it's all about consuming anything in the life of muslims. maybe you should start thinking about life and the world, instead of having dictated your thoughts and acts by a narrow minded warlord. you know philosophy, spirituality, meditation, metaphysics, really thinking about god and the divine. i read the quran - it's nothing of the above, it keeps your mind in the state of a worldly, pragmatic, narrow-minded ideology.

Fuck all you racist faggots. I'd rather befriend a muslim than a dumb fucking yank any day.

>>693197924
islam is not a race. it's an ideology. so it can't be racist to reject it. because rejecting bad thoughts and instructions is pretty normal to every human. you WISH it would be racist, so that nobody can point out your stupidity.

>>693190876
read the Hadiths

>>693190876
A fundamental muslim I worked at a cinema with insisted that you can never understand islam if you don't read the quran and hadiths in arabic

he was a fuckin weird dude, but there was one time when a jewish co-worker commented on how cold it was and he just responded that he should find a nice warm oven to crawl into

he meant it as a joke but it was fucking hysterical

>>693198534

Awesome, thanks for the reply I assumed my post got lost in the shuffle.

>>693198185
Yeh and i'm talking about people spouting racist bullshit in this thread making your point irrelevant, take it you're also a dumb fucking yank?

>>693190178
You didn't eat for a while fucking month? Wow that's some serious dedication. What were the hardest days? Did you pray a lot during that time?

>>693199902
just wanted to let people know. german, not american and a proud enemy of the sexist, homophob, wardriving, hateful, intolerant ideology which you ludicrously call religion

>>693200300
*whole not while

>>693190178
die in a fucking fire you religious nutcases

fuck off sand nigger. people like you should be fucking wiped out.
>gf
has she had her 5th birthday yet?

Sorry to all you Muslim /b/ros who are sick of the ISIStards

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>>693200990
>muslim /b/ros
>sorry
GET THE FUCK OUT OUT OUTT OUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

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>>693190178
Hi brother Muslim of religion of peace and love we are. You wrote something had tears in my eyes because of the beauty of Islam of thousand years. Please tell me one just thing, can you, is Shariah allow that I watch a born films with my Muslim brother to celebrate today special day, in love and peace and brotherhood?
I don't want be racist retarded man

>>693191953
>datfilename though

>>693200300
they eat after dawn dude, it's not really fasting

>>693190178
>lost 13 pounds
hm are you ok? anon

>>693200577
truth..

>>693201240
you're definitely retarded, might as well complete the package and be openly racist

>>693200990
implyyyyyyingggg

>>693190178
Hi brother Muslim of religion of peace and love we are. You wrote something had tears in my eyes because of the beauty of Islam of thousand years. Please tell me one just thing, can you, is Shariah allow that I burn infidels alive to celebrate today special day, in love and peace and brotherhood?
I don't want be racist retarded man

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>>693201417
No longer the case dear friend us then?

>>693190178
Salam bro. Lost a bit over 10 pounds myself. Cant wait to get subway at lunch again. Tomorrow ill be at eid prayer than taking my girlfriend out for breakfast and maybe we have have sex. Istaghfirullah

>>693191953
wait what
is she arab
I thought they were immune to that kind of weird shit

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>>693190178
Eid Mubaraks b/rothers

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>>693200577
Yeh i don't follow any religion m8 and don't label everyone the same way your sausage munching, beer drinking, nazi german twat

>>693191953
Just the weirdest boner....

>>693201821
lol
Allah's forgiveness is always open,
Istaghfirullah indeed

>>693190178
> Losing weight during Ramadan
> Fake

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>>693202469
If you don't munch sausage and drink beer, you're not exactly white, m80

>>693201330
eat before dawn and after sunset
18 odd hours a day, this year

>>693202522
Asking for forgiveness a couple of days after you lost all your sins by his forgiveness. Makes sense. Laahawlawtakoela illabillah alhadeem.

>>693191953
is that.. legal?..

>>693202927
Can you translate that bro. Im actually a convert and i don't know enough arabic yet. Im the one who initially said Istaghfirullah i was more or less joking though.

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>>693192477
>Shit-tier god
Kek because it's true

RAMADAMADINGDONG!!!!!!

>>693203053
In Islam it is actually law that you do it

>>693202469
muslims are the most homogoenous group there is, because they kill everyone who has genuine ideas. i am a pesco-vegetarian and i don't drink but smoke weed (still german though). and you seem to defend islam, instead of rejecting it. if you're not muslim, there is no reason to not see it's a facist, aggressive ideology. i think you are indeed muslim or you don't know anything about it. read the quran, read what most popular imams teach and talk to other muslims. islam is a good way of life if you want to be an asshole and want every man around you be a total asshole

>>693194907
what

>>693203505
No for real am i going to get arrested for looking at that?

>>693190178
Brother i had already started an eid 2016 thread. Try to be more original, alright akhi?

>>693202758
that's nothing. i do that for at least 10 years now

>>693203408
fyi it's the same god

>>693203826
Depends where you live, newfag. But in most civilized places no. You might get arrested if you do it
But if you're a Muslim, you must go do it right now, with as many animals as you find, otherwise you're not faithful

>>693203391
I dont know the exact translation tbh. But it is used when someone is shamed for a sin. I have a lot of friends that use this so i got it from them. I myself do not speak arabic but a dialect which comes close to it. Basically it means shame on you.

>>693192220
>>693192220
Hes just mad that he missed those quads.

>>693204041
What are the laws in the United states?

>>693190178
now ramadan is over can you give the "blowing shit up" a rest for a while?

>>693204217
Death penalty. Fuck you.

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>>693203973
>Mfw you let Mohammed b8 you
>Mfw you roast in he'll for eternity

>>693203391
>>693202927
Islam=religion on easy mode
why?
cos it recognises humans are stupid fucks hence:
“Declare (O Muhammad) unto My slaves, that truly, I am the Oft-Forgiving, the Most-Merciful.
And that My Torment is indeed the most painful torment.” [15:49-50]

and even those with one iota of faith will enter paradise.

shame some of our brothers forget to be chill

>>693204143
I feel shame.

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>>693204143
It means 'watch a born films', that we do it with our Brother Muslim to show love and peace the Muslim way

>>693190178
What's the point of fasting?

As soon as the sun goes down you guys eat like pigs. When it's over you overindulge in food.

Don't even have dietary restrictions like Chrisians during Lent, like giving up something you actually give a fuck about.

>>693204692
You should

>>693204748
islam was made to be an easy religion

>>693204565
>roasting in he'll
When Allah fucks with you because you're an infidel

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>>693191792
Not OP.
>Well, guess what my man. You're not.
Fixed. You're welcome.

But, just to belabor how stupid you seem to be: he's a human so he's a part of a race. I'm sure OP was born in a country, so he has a state (something which is literally bigger than you). He was born on Earth, so he's got a planet.

I know you were trying to be hurtful and say that OP's religion is fictitious, but what you actually said is just really stupid.

>>693190178
>me and my gf

You're not a muslim. There are no girlfriends or boyfriends in Islam. You're either married or you're not.

>>693204427
Holycrap just looked it up for my state its illegal whats my chances of getting v& if i didnt watch the whole vid only enough to understand what was going on.

>>693205281
>thinks Jews magically can't eat lobster
>prohibition != incapable

>>693204748
No man we dont eat like crazy. Infact its hard to eat alot as your stomach has shrunk.

>>693204683
these two verses contradict each other in one sentence. it says, god forgives and is merciful, but his torment is the most painful.

>>693205281
Are you the Muslamic Pope, to excommunicate a brother?

his religion is between him and his Lord.

granted his Lord will not be happy with his out-of-marriage hanky panky but the door to repentance remains open.

>>693205416
Just say you're a Muslim, they can't arrest you for doing something that's part of your religion

>>693204683
You can indeed get away with a lot of thing according to the quraan. But that is not a reason to commit those sins. You can ofcourse do those things and be forgiven. But that would not make a whole lot of sense.

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>>693206001
I am the Muslamic (kek) Pope. I'm the one who watched most born films

>>693206013
That makes no sense. If i was a satanist and i killed someone would they let me go?

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You guys can eat at night during Ramadan right?
>find an overnight job
>have lunch at sundown
>dinner at 2-3 am
>small snack/breakfast before sunset
>cheat the whole Ramadan thing entirely
>laugh at starving fellow terrorists
Does this work or not?

>>693206158
Not sure. You should try it, and tell me about it later. Write to [email protected]

>>693205810
nah man, his torment refers to being thrown in hell. the entire verse is about: youre gonna do bad shit cos youre a fucktard human but as long as you seek the always forgiving god then you'll be spared that shit.

quoting small excerpts is obvs misleading but who wants to read an essay.

>>693205019
thatswhy muslims are so immoral, because they don't have to change for the good, they can be immoral fucks. because it's not a religion really, it was made to conquer the world and make all people the same by killing everyone who is different

>>693206198
Why would you cheat something that is made to realise how tough some people have it. It is for your own good. Its something you do for yourself. If you dont want to, you dont.

>>693206288
checked on 4chan.com. dead porn site.

Aren't the ones who make it to Ramadan considered failures? All the successful ones have blown themselves up I would imagine.

Sitting at the table having dinner now. Moms lookin at you, then Dad pipes up "You're not my favorite and never were." Moms like "Don't listen to daddy son. You'll find a nice market place soon to detonate like your brother."

salam brothers and eid mubarak,

are there any other gay muslim in /b/? i cant be the only one allahu alam, because of all the porn on with traps and penis, i know its "wrong" but only allah can judge me

time to fuck and sleep :)

bismillah /b/

>>693206542
fair enough for your POV man, i dont think i agree though.
what's your moral code brother, lemme look into it maybe its better.

>>693206507
still a contradiction. if god is the all-forgiving and merciful, why does he throw you in hell in the first place? i read the whole quran - it's not the only verse, that contradicts another

>>693206804
lols
but nah man dont be hating its eid yo

>>693206939
>time to fuck a sheep :)

FTFY

Guys he was right. I shouldnt have sex with my gf. Especially right after Ramadan, it makes the whole month pointless.

>>693190178
Fuck is this.

>>693206996
i empathize with people and don't do what might harm them. there are exceptions of course. i might harm someone immoral to prevent harm to others. i do not follow strict rules - i think for myself. abstract ideas of the good which are found in oneself are my "moral code". having static rules like islam is the worst you can have for being moral

>>693207006
if god has forgiven you he wont throw you in hell
hell is for the folk that dont be seeking the forgiveness.

but cool man that you read the entirety of the quran. did you take away anything positive?

>>693207580
Trolls pretending to be muslims on a board full of penis pics, traps and other gay shit and drugs.. don't forget the drugs, muslims love drugs amirite?

>>693205782
Dude, I have Muslim friends, grew up in an area with a lot. Maybe for a small portion of Muslims they won't overeat. I know too many to not think this.

>>693208040
Hard to speak for all Muslims. I find it very hard to overeat

>>693207655
thats a pretty good maxim to live by man, kudos brother.

but Islam isnt really static it evolves man. there are ofcourse some hard and fast rules, like you mentioned but you know its hard to know how to separate out moral decisions based on our own desires (conscious or subconscious) and decisions that are "objectively" good for a particular situation. its those exceptions you mention that get us.

where do you go to get help to figure out those tricky calls? do you read any moral philosophy?

but i like that you think for yourself. Islam encourages this more than the other religions, from what ive seen. cos its down to each individual to figure it out and not rely on some pope or church to tell em what to do. the only authority is the quran and sunnah, everything else is up for grabs. which makes it pretty flexible but then you do get fucktards like isis.

>>693208002
lol
where does the word assassin come from.

Allah, gimme some of that weed so i can contemplate the mind bending nature of existence. ameen.

>>693207750
if god is ALL-forgiving he won't throw you in hell. there are a few wise words, but most of the time it's talk how bad the jews and the christians are and how to deal with them (killing them or make them pay for being christian), misogynist, intolerance to ANY other ideas and intellectualism, punishing people by chop off body parts, subjugate others, especially women and it seems, mohammed only thought about sex all the time, instead of anything spiritual or metaphysical. it's a very aggressive book and it's in no way spiritual or moral

>>693190178
Happy Eid man, i got myself a bacon cheeseburger, a beer, some weed and a raging boner for my hijab wearing girlfriends tight asshole.

Eid Barrack Obama my brother.

Supreme Chancellor Trump will soon put you and your whole fucking sand nigger race in tidy little "worship camps". But first, step into this shower so that you can be "cleaned".

>>693209029
no it does not evolve. not in theory (because quran says it should not be changed by anyone or he shall be killed), and not in the real word, because muslim countries are still stuck in the 7th century.
if you really learn about yourself, then it's not very hard to know whats good or bad. and i really have to laugh very loud if you really think, the quran can tell you, what is objectively good. killing people who are different is sure not good. islam does not encourage to think for yourself. muslims say that to let their ideology look in a better way. quran states very clear, if you differ from it's rules, you have to be killed.
>more than other religions
ridiculous, it's obviously the opposite. the pope or the church has no power over your faith, even if you go to church and talk to the priests. quite the opposite in the islamic communites of course.
you just made all this up, nice try

>>693209373
yeh man theres a shit tonne of stories not just about jews and christians but all sorts. the point of the stories isnt to go round killing such folk but the point is to hear about some situation (and yes its almost all about non-muslims cos previous to the quran there were no muslims so it uses these other groups as the examples) and then learn about the correct way of doing shit, if and when a similar type of situation comes along. its like the bible and its parables, in that respect.

>it's a very aggressive book and it's in no way spiritual or moral

you know an act of "aggression" "subjugation" "chop off body part" etc etc is a moral statement. so i dunno man, not sure were talking about the same thing when we say "moral" to each other. i get we disagree about what kinds of acts are morally virtuous and which ones are not virtuous but to say the quran dosent transmit any morals is probs incorrect man.

also man, you know the first word revealed in the quran was the imperative "read". the big boss is commanding you to use your intellect, so id disagree that the quran dosent support "intellectualism".

Unlike the rest of u /btards. I have actually ended 6 Islamic Extremist. I should have never left the sand box but there is plenty of work to do here at home.

>eating
>drinking
>playing
Im sorry bruh. But isnt it haram to drink LOL

>>693210722
no, not really. it says, as a muslim you have to make all nonbelievers to muslims, also by force, or make them pay for not being killed or be killed. so, no, you're wrong. no it's not like the parables in the bible. parables make you think and see for yourself, what is good and bad. quran has clear statements, unambigous rules and no metaphysics or idealism whatsoever. it says: do exactly this and that. you obviously don't know the quran, nor the statements of the most influental imams or any muslim, that calls himself a muslim

>>693210616
>not in theory (because quran says it should not be changed by anyone or he shall be killed)

yes youre half right, the parables in the quran are not meant to be changed but clearly what you take out of the parable changes as the context of society changes.

not sure what to say about
>muslim countries are still stuck in the 7th century

man you should go chill in a muslim country.

> the pope or the church has no power over your faith, even if you go to church and talk to the priests. quite the opposite in the islamic communites of course.
you just made all this up, nice try

I aint no expert in christianity or other religions but i thought it was the case that the priests tell you who is or isnt a christian hence we have the term "excommunicate"

but nah man i aint lying about islam not having this command and control structure. as an example Islam accepts there are mutliple versions of what is "right", hence why it has what it calls the 4 "schools" of law, which can be found being taught in the same place.

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>>693190178
Sorry but Muslim isn't a race. It's an ideology and all ideology's are open to criticism and ridicule.

>>693211951
True or false: during Ramadan you should stay at home and not go out and party. Obviously not drink but no movies, social gatherings, etc. Also, can you have sex if you're married during Ramadan?

>>693211908
>nor the statements of the most influental imams

which imams would that be brother. my statement as a b/tard has as much authority as anyone you care to quote. the only differentiator is our skills in analysing the quran - hence it is a religion that supports intellectualism.

>>693212185
>Ramadan you should stay at home and not go out and party
false

>Also, can you have sex if you're married during Ramadan
yes

>>693210722
by moral i meant the "good". i am not a native english speaker. yes, moral statements can be bad, sorry for the confusion. and "read" is not "think" of course. if you read a book that is just a bunch of statements, how to live your life, it doesn't make you think, as books which have abstract ideas you have to make yourself valid. quran does not have any ideas like that, it's all very clear and unambigous. some books can make you think; quran is not one of them. or do you think if you read the phone book?

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>>693192141
this is some middleschoolers idea of "normalizing" their primitive religion that wants it's followers to convert or kill everyone else. even worse than bait

>>693190178
Hey man, Not muslim but I'm glad you enjoyed Ramadan. Sounds like you had a lot of fun brother.

PS. It's not Racist to dislike a Religion
Like Christianity of Islam so please don't say that
Glad you had fun man :)

>>693192348
Well yo be fair, you're not fucking anything but your own hand

>>693211951
there are not really abstract parables like the ones in the bible. it's just all too definite. there is no room for interpretation like in real books with ideas and not only concrete instructions what to do.
i was in catholic church for 10 years and you obviously have no idea. the pope nor any priest has any power over you, there are just there to help, if you have questions; and then, you don't have to follow them. you can be excommunicated (don't really know for what, because no priest does it) but still go to church and everything. you just can't get married in church and other services, but mostly you can even be buried in the churches graveyard.
and again, islam is the most homogenous group there is, because you can't really argue about it, because it's so unambigous

>>693212740
thats cool man. yeh as i suspected we have different ideas on what is morally "good/bad". I assume you make yours up for yourself as you go along, whilst i prefer to make them within the context of the Quran.

but can i ask, what kinds of books do you read for these abstract ideas?

>>693212444
i don't know their names anymore, but i read a lot and talked to muslims. and just stating, that islam supports intellectualism, doesn't make it say so. try to make a genuine statement, that is controversial in saudi-arabia or egypt or iran. and compare it to what you might call "christian countries". islam is the most intolerant and anti-intellectual ideology i ever heard of. even the nazis were more chilled

>>693213954
again, if you see, that people are harmed by the same things as you, you will know, what is good or bad. and the quran very very often differs from that. and i read western philosophy (popper for example, but there a tons of good authors...look at arab countries, how many books are published - they just have to quran, because the quran forbids ideas that differ from it), the bible and humanist novels, authors of the enlightenment and stuff like that

>>693190178
Do you feel a sense of responsibility to remove radical Islam? Whether you do or not, how does the rampant violence and horror perpetrated by groups like ISIS make you feel?

>>693213832
Not him, but,

>the pope nor any priest has any power over you, there are just there to help, if you have questions; and then, you don't have to follow them. you can be excommunicated (don't really know for what, because no priest does it) but still go to church and everything.

First, you dumb heretic, you do not have the authority to interpret the Bible. Go knock on the door of the next Pentecostal church if you think so.

Excommunication can be automatic. Do not need be declared by anyone (latae sententiae). And no, you loathsome condemned to hell, is not to set foot in the church after that.

>islam is the most homogenous group there is, because you can't really argue about it, because it's so unambigous

...Are you retard or something?

Islam is infinitely more diverse than Christianity. First, the interpretation is not institutionalized, nor uniform. There is no priesthood. And no, you nitwit, it is not just read the text. Not everything is literal - and even if it was, even if all hermeneuticists were like you (brainless) - the text is a lazy machine, wating that whoever reads it to do its job.

>>693195553
Must be fun living in africa

>>693215998
>First, you dumb heretic, you do not have the authority to interpret the Bible

Evidently we do. Why do you think there are so many Christian denominations?

>>693213832
> islam is the most homogenous group there is, because you can't really argue about it, because it's so unambigous

Explain the need for wildly varying Hadiths that interpret the Qur'an in completely different ways and the ridiculous amount of bloodshed that comes from these differing interpretations.

>>693215998
what is a pentecostal? maybe there are a few christian movements that are more strict, but compared to even moderate islam it's laughable. they won't kill you, if you don't want their idea of god anymore. and they don't drive war and they don't chop bodyparts off and so on.
there is no such thing as having the authority to interpret the bible. people read it and do what they want in western, christian societies as you might know - it's called open society; there is no killing for apostasie, but democracy and constitutional state and secularism.
excommunication does not lead to anything like that. you can go to church, there is nobody who will throw you out - not the priest, not the community. in fact. they will still be very nice to you. exommunication is just a church-law thing. you cant become a priest after that for example. it doesn't mean anything to the believers.
islam is not more diverse than christianity and you have to look at the communites to see that.
plus, there is not much hermeneutic interpretation room in the rules of the quran if it literally says, that if someone says, he doesn't want to be a muslim (anymore) you shall kill him or that christians have to pay for not being killed

>>693217092
ok, shia is very homogen and sunnis are very homogen. better?
i didn't say, they don't distinguish, but that muslims are the most homogenic group. still can be a bit heterogen.

>>693217092
they kill each other, because they are so narrow-minded because of the quran and because they are so aggressive because of the quran. islam wants to make all people even and thatswhy they are so xenophobic and aggressive against people who are different. they are just very backward people. there was also more killing in the west hundreds of years ago. but muslims can't go on, because of determining quran.

>>693190178
>me and my gf
dating is haram
>we gonna eat poptarts
so are most poptarts

>>693217914
>the people from a sub group of a ridiculously fractured larger whole are homogeneous

Yeah, alright.

>>693204385
Fucking kek

>>693218958
again, try to be "different" in saudi-arabia, iran, afghanistan, islamic parts of africa, pakistan

>>693217092

>Evidently we do. Why do you think there are so many Christian denominations?

Well, on the premise that citizens has integrated the lines of Catholicism, not that freedom simply does not exist.

There are several Christian denominations precisely for the possibility of deviating from institutional interpretation.

>Explain the need for wildly varying Hadiths that interpret the Qur'an in completely different ways and the ridiculous amount of bloodshed that comes from these differing interpretations.

There is no need. But it is the natural result of a non-institutionalized and non-uniform system. When anyone can give to anything the meaning he wants - to the Qur'an and the Hadiths.

>>693218958
and by saying
>most homogenous group there is
it is very clear, that you have to compare it to the other groups. again: i didn't say, they don't distinguish, but that muslims are the most homogenic group. still can be a bit heterogen.

>>693219344
And all we're talking about is the vast array of Islamic sub groups.

>>693219889
not as differing as people in western, christian societies. learn what "most homogenic" means. it does not mean "not heterogen at all"

>>693217413
>what is a pentecostal? maybe there are a few christian movements that are more strict, but compared to even moderate islam it's laughable. they won't kill you, if you don't want their idea of god anymore. and they don't drive war and they don't chop bodyparts off and so on.

Indeed, no doubt, you're retarded. In Islam, too, no one will cut your head for doing so.

>there is no such thing as having the authority to interpret the bible. people read it and do what they want in western, christian societies as you might know - it's called open society; there is no killing for apostasie, but democracy and constitutional state and secularism.

...And also a heretic. Who can get to the ridiculous of calling Western, secular, society, as "Christian".

>excommunication does not lead to anything like that. you can go to church, there is nobody who will throw you out - not the priest, not the community. in fact. they will still be very nice to you. exommunication is just a church-law thing. you cant become a priest after that for example. it doesn't mean anything to the believers.

No, just means you go to hell. Only that. And is no longer part of the community.

I do not know what kind of hippie community have you been attending, but does not seem to be the Catholic Church.

>islam is not more diverse than christianity and you have to look at the communites to see that.

It goes from believing in the oneness of God, to believe that the infallible Imam will return at the end of times with Jesus. It goes from believing that God is the first cause, to believe that God is manifested in certain people from time to time.

I do not take responsibility for your abysmal ignorance - about your religion, or on others.

>that if someone says, he doesn't want to be a muslim (anymore) you shall kill him or that christians have to pay for not being killed

>Literally pulling rules of your own ass

Mine was good /b/rother! I got a shitton of junkfood to makeup for what i lost. Dem dunkin donuts was good.
>inb4 kill yourself shitskin

>>693220223
Welcome to Moving the Goalposts 101

>>693220228
>In Islam, too, no one will cut your head for doing so.
wrong of course

>Who can get to the ridiculous of calling Western, secular, society, as "Christian".
i can, because i studied western philosophy and i know the impact of christianity in the western societies of today

>No, just means you go to hell. Only that. And is no longer part of the community.
just wrong. the vatican has given that up in the Second Vatican Council

>I do not know what kind of hippie community have you been attending, but does not seem to be the Catholic Church.
it is, you just have no idea, what the catholic church is and have no idea of western communities

>It goes from believing in the oneness of God, to believe that the infallible Imam will return at the end of times with Jesus. It goes from believing that God is the first cause, to believe that God is manifested in certain people from time to time.
yes, that's the opposite between shias and sunnis, still very even people compared to people in the western society

>that if someone says, he doesn't want to be a muslim (anymore) you shall kill him or that christians have to pay for not being killed
>Literally pulling rules of your own ass
read the quran, dude, you don't know your own religion or you are liar to defend your "religion". it says exactly that in the quran

>>693219598
>it is very clear, that you have to compare it to the other groups. again: i didn't say, they don't distinguish, but that muslims are the most homogenic group. still can be a bit heterogen.

And, again, it isn't.

While Christianity is divided on questions of transubstantiation and substantiation, or if Jesus has the same substance as God, Islam is divided into rows about whether there is a Messiah or not, if God can manifest in humanity, what is the nature of God , whether or not intercessors, who was the last prophet, and so on.

I wish hitler gassed muslims instead of jews. Fuck the muslimsgoddamn subhumans.

>>693221304
i did not mean theological questions as the context suggests, but normal people and their behaviour. and of course, the western, christian society is more divided than the muslims. how many western people are really part of a church? and how many muslims call themselves muslims compared to that? and then look how they differ. not much, compared to western people

>>693190178
would it be weird to participate in ramadan if youre not muslim?

>>693221247
>wrong of course

Psst, my dear idiot. There are at this very moment millions of non-Muslims living in Islamic lands. Three of the five original patriarchates of Christendom have spent the last fourteen centuries of Islamic rule. What's your point? They are the result of a hallucination?

>i can, because i studied western philosophy and i know the impact of christianity in the western societies of today

It is a fine argument of authority. And irrelevant, too. Christianity was torn by force from the Western institutions.

>just wrong. the vatican has given that up in the Second Vatican Council

With ecumenism? Hahahaha ... No. Ecumenism is a measure of dialogue, not a doctrine of salvation.

>it is, you just have no idea, what the catholic church is and have no idea of western communities

Yeah, "I have no idea." I like when the debater tries to guess the context of where I come from. Well, I'll forward you: I live in a country overwhelmingly Catholic majority, with strong Catholic institutions, and come from a Catholic family. Stop talking shit, please.

>yes, that's the opposite between shias and sunnis, still very even people compared to people in the western society

No, you idiot, between Sunnis and Shiites themselves. The Nizari Shias, for example, believe that their Imam is the living manifestation of God. The Twelvers, that the Hidden Imam will return at the end of time, along with Jesus. Both are Shiites - and their belief is mutually incongruous.

>read the quran, dude, you don't know your own religion or you are liar to defend your "religion". it says exactly that in the quran

Unlike you, my good brainless, I have read and re-read. As well as the Bible and the catechism - maybe you should revisit that last, my dear apostate.

>>693191110
This makes sense.