>>693125457

It's like you think we won't vote for him.

Let us be real, we all know what she is like and how she acts and what she will do.

>>693125604
yes, we do know. and that's exactly why we're voting for her and not that con artist.

the right wing propaganda attempts fall one by one. the timing could not be better.

>>693125682

I just want proof that she is just a cog in the new world order.

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No rage here. But I'll ask you this. How does it feel knowing that Hillary will likely get off scot-free for something the government would put you in jail for most of your remaining life ?

>>693125682

Also, the use of the word con artist shows fear.

You are afraid that he actually cares about America and not the circle or the rich that pull the strings. God forbid they loose some of their power, that is the most terrifying idea to a sociopath.

>>693125917
so is trump dummy. he's firmly for the corporations despite what his pandering implies

>>693126049

So why Hillary over Trump?

>>693126047
he's a rich man. he's for the establishment.

he has you duped, that's all.

>>693126122

Again:
>>693126096

>>693126096
i don't think that way. i only vote for the person that agrees with my own views and that person is clinton. there are plenty of reasons to vote for her that have nothing to do with trump at all.

some highlights:

my life is better off than 8 years ago and she will continue that progressive growth.

trump on the other hand, is for going backwards. bringing shitty jobs from china back into the US.

we need to move intot he future and prepare our workforce for the future jobs. not look backwards.

>>693126326

What future jobs? At least Trump will prolong the inevitable, which is that machines will replace most jobs that humans perform. The 'workforce' you talk about is essentially nonexistent in the future.

>>693126520
it's not nonexistant, it's just different. you're right all bad jobs will be done by machines. why prolong that change? other countries will be there first. we need to be.

this opens up a whole new world for humans. we need to prepare for that. education and training is the key not trying to get shitty jobs back

plus one really important thing is preserving the death tax. it shoudl be even higher. we'll get there eventually.

trump wants to do away with it. if yuo agree with that, you're a moron.

>/ba/

Fucking neck yourself

>falling for the bait
>what are you summer

An fucking Hero you roodypoo

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>>693126326
Actually growth of the GDP has been mediocre at best. Certainly not progressive growth. learn 2 google.

>>693126326

I also want to confirm that you are talking about what is essentially slavery. Keeping the workforce in places where it is so cheap to perform that revenues can be maximized. You want to get more slaves is what I am getting at, and that is going into the future for you.

Tell me how that benefits humanity.

I don't want this to be a deadlock argument.

>>693126798
GDP is not the only thing to go by.

you should read throwing rocks at the google bus as soon as you can.

>>693126326
You're formulating words into legible sentences, but you're not actually saying anything. Please explain in detail exactly what you mean.

>>693126858
wrong. the whole dynamic needs to change

read Throwing Rocks at the Google Bus.

>>693125930
>this
Edward Snowden; traitor
Hillary Clinton; president
Must be nice to have political pull

>>693126858
>>693126914
the entire growth focus and industrialization shift needs to change. we can't sustain it much longer. that's the real reason people are feeling disenfranchised lately.

>>693126721
Does this involve only taking into account only the wealthy and educated and leaving the rest of the worlds population behind, because at that point, they are redundant and unnecessary.

>>693126721
Tell that to the city of Detroit.

>>693127055
yeah if you can't see the difference there you're really an idiot.

>>693127115
we haven't made the shift yet. that's the problem.

>>693127201

I don't think that shift will occur.

'Only the strong survive'

>>693127091
education does not only mean ending with degrees. training is not only for lower end jobs. you're stuck in ancient industrial terms.

>>693126925

OK, to what then?

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>>693126874
OK buddy please enlighten me. Instead of making blanket statements. What else besides the GDP we should be looking at.

>>693127137
>man shares state secrets
>woman exposes state secrets to an unsecure server
Yeah i guess Snowden should have just leaked instead of coming out huh?

>>693126326
you posted this moronic shit the other day.

>>693127258

Define the terms you are using.

>>693127310
yeah one was intentional and one was dumb not understanding how emails servers work.

>>693126721
probably don't pay taxes at all, do you?

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>>693127302
throwing rocks at the google bus
looks like socialist propaganda so far

>>693127302
it's growth that's the problem right now. every value we measure is based on growth.

>>693127542
Yet both are classified as treason, hmmm. Good thing that didnt happen to you or I, we would be fucked.

>>693127459
Exactly. It is a shill. I tried to get this anon to explain how his life was better now than 8 years ago, he couldnt do it. All he said was i know it is.

>>693126326
There are two types of people who vote for Hillary.
1. the useful idoit
2. The people complicate in her scam.

Hillary is the most corrupt politician ever. Hell even Bill was impeached.

"she"ll say anything and do nothing" Obama but she will do something she'll keep lining her pockets with donation from foreign government and special interest. You Know BRIBES.

So if your voting for her to get some huge tax cut or government funding I understand.

But if your not you are beyond stupid.

>>693125457
No charges RECOMMENDED, not no charges. We all know the charges won't stick, but it's not over yet.

>>693127640
damn evil capitalist ! lols Growth is a problem. sure OK what other way should we measure. Feelings?

>>693127201
Yeah, a "shift". Let's just shift the whole world into something new. An order of sorts. What an idea, anon!

>>693127898
Hillary spent 1 million dollars, to have people post on social media in favor of her. What way it wont be as obvious when she Riggs the election. These dipshits are probably just collecting a check.

>>693127898
what scam is that exactly, faggot?

everything you're parroting is just right wing propaganada and attacks. that's it. wake the fuck up.

>>693128050
Endless growth and the need for it IS a fucking problem you rancid swine!

>>693128098
it's already happening dummy. the world has completely changed. we're slow to catch up. trump wants to slow it down even more to make as much money as they can before the whole system implodes, preferably long after them and their kids are dead.

>>693128194
LOL, it's a fact moron. The propaganda is on TV. Stop watching the lamestream media that is paid by the same people that benefit from the corruption Hillary offers them.

I see your the useful idiot.

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>>693128288
oh look dubs. Growth is needed. As a population becomes larger you need growth to sustain the economy of said population.

Republicans win in the long run. Increase killings across the world. Hillary wants more immigrants. It's the start of the end. Way for people to fuck over Americans Power by letting a Self centered woman take over.
> top kek
> its happening

>>693128617
you really don't know what the fuck you're talking about, that's the real problem.

no point an argument with someone who doesn't get that words have multiple meanings.

ignore this 'tard

>>693128660
i see no problems with immigrants.

The only problem is energy.

Fusion is the answer that will change everything and prolong the existence of this species.

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>>693125930
This is why it's time for a revolutionary war. The political elite are exempt from laws that only apply to you.

>>693128777
Hell yeah decrease wages and increased crime is awesome.

I also love how they bring their native countries disease with them.

It's an even bigger bonus if their Muslim and hold beliefs that i should be killed.

>>693128998
revolution is not necessary. we just need to fix a few things

and a drastic increase int he death tax as well as closing the loopsholes that families like waltons use to keep the wealth

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>>693128699
When you can't win an argument just start name calling and insulting . What a great strategy. lol

>>693128617
Has it occurred to you that the population needs to STOP growing at some point? 7 billion people is already too many. Population decline is not the end of the world--endless growth is.

>>693129084
I also like traffic jams more pollution and super expensive housing.

>>693125457
He recommended no charges. That is not "she gets no charges", dumbass. Also, this is just the server fiasco. The Clinton Foundation is still being investigated.

>>693129266
the more expensive a place is to live, the more people want to live there.

you want cheap? move to detroit. they're giving houses away there

people are so dumb

>>693129316
who is going to charger her exactly you dumb faggot?

>>693129217
that would help the problem is ever politician says that and then adds new loopholes. Like Obummers green energy tax loophole bullshit.

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>>693129237
I've been hearing that argument since the 1970's . We were supposed to all have starved to death by now. 2000 I think. and the ice caps should melted by now. You need to learn some history. I encourage you to look things up.

>>693129572
>>693129237

it has nothing to do with population growth yuo dumb shits. it's a straw man argument you're putting out there, purposefully probably.

>>693129331
Yes you are dumb, if you think Immigrants arent raising the housing prices. look up supply and demand. You think they're going to Detroit? get real.

>>693129414
Loretta Lynn is ultimately the one who decides. We know Bill put the fix in and it won't happen, but it is still a possibility. Hillary is scum. Go kill yourself.

>>693129737
population increases a number of ways, not just immigrants idiot.

i told YOU to go to detroit, not immigrants. immigrants understand ecoomic concepts better than you. they'd have to

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get ready anons

>>693127137
Yea, one deserves to be a national hero and is treated as a traitor, and one deserves to be a traitor but is treated as a national hero.

>>693129792
she said she would agree with the recommendations. she said it loudly becauase you dumb fuckers demanded it.

you think she's going to against it now? bah ha ha

>>693125682
>being this delusional
Kek

>>693129870
wishful thinking.

there's no need for voter fraud. trump is way behind in the key electoral states he needs to win.

>>693129331
lol California's housing isn't in demand/expensive because of the huge over population that is made up of 2/3 illegals. Pull your head out of your ass. They aren't going into the desert and making new cities

>>693129572
Listen you generation x faggot. The ice caps are melting faster than ever. The world is getting hotter every goddamn year. Open your fucking eyes and look at the mountains of evidence for once. Not just the poorly researched uncited shit that supports your worldview, but actual fucking science. You have NO ground to stand on. Scientific consensuses may change when presented with new data but that doesn't mean they're incorrect. I'll give you this if you're a troll you've really fucking succeeded.

>>693127817
maybe his life.

>>693130099
most of california outside san fran is pretty fucking cheap to live. the illegals aren't making enough money to change that, unlike the techies in san francisco

you just make a really shitty living, apparently. nothing is going to change that though, certainly not trump who thinks you already make too much money

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>>693130115
You're kidding right ? Back in the 70's the big scare was that the earth had man made global cooling and we were going to freeze to death. That was settled science too.

>>693129840
Are you a paid shill? Are can your brain really not make the connection? California is 2/3 illegals there is no other way possible for it be as crowded as is it right now. Then their kids.... Population growth from other sources isn't the problem.

>>693130305
No it's not it cost more to live here. 300k gets you a shit house 3 hours from any major city in the desert.

>>693129237
old argument is invalid. Ya know we could take every human being on Earth and fit them all in their own individual living space of over 300 sq feet on just the island nation of Japan which accounts for less than 1% of Earth's total land mass. This is of course assuming that couples and families don't share homes and they don't live in apartment style housing stacked on top of one another. This means that every human could comfortably live on a small island nation while we commit the other 99% of Earth's land mass to resource and agriculture. Telling you that we're overpopulated is a bold faced lie. They intentionally limit resources to drive up prices then tell us that it's our fault because dumbasses like you are stupid enough to believe it.

>>693130537
who cares? what do you want to hear? don't go to california i guess if you're so frightened of immigrants.

>>693125457
>/ba/

>>693130115
>scientific consensus may change
>doesnt mean they are incorrect
How does this work?

>>693130787
It will be like that everywhere in the US In 10 years

Are you trolling me? or do you really not see the problem with immigration?

>>693130731
more than where? check out san fran and NYC for places people really want to live.

>>693130787
>are you a shill?
>who cares?
>what do you want to hear?
Sorry anon, i dont think youre getting paid for today's work.

>>693131013
i see zero problems with immigrants. i just don't care. there are some great people from other countries and some shitty ones. there are great americans and some shitty ones. this country was build on immigration.

yes, i see no problem with it.

>>693130958
it's not religion. of course things change, dummy.that's the whole point

>>693130753
Truth, glad to know there are other sensible people

>>693131364
So how can they not be incorrect when consensus changes?

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>>693131604
man you're an idiot. what right wing website is pushing this nonsense? i'd really like to know

people want to keep making as much money as they can and you are helping them. i hope you're happy about that.

>>693131140
Too bad the US doesn't get the good people from these other nations. Usually just get shitty ones.

>>693128777
sure kid

>>693133092
really? who says exactly? what proof do you have of this?

>>693130305
when did he say that?

>>693126096
Because at least she represents stauts quo which buys you time, Trump may be a cathalyst for a lot of shit which ver likely goes through American's living standards plummeting fast.

>>693133388
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbZ-o1T6F5Y

>>693133673
Can you provide reasoning? Not a trump supporter, but all this doom and gloom based on one man, who wont hold any real power is kinda silly.

>>693133673
yes, exactly. the thing is the people who's lives suck, they don't give a shit. it can't get worse, as far as they're concerned. they enjoy the thought of other people besides themselves being fucked too.

they want to drag everyone down to their level, the typical trump supporter.

we can't let them get what they want.

Is it too late to get another Behghazi inquiry going?

>>693133288
Ever see any illegal immigrants running something important?
A trash truck doesn't count.

>>693134233
hell yes. in NYC they are great small business owners, for example.

maybe in your podunk shit town no one ever does anything with their lives. that doesn't mean it applies to everywhere else.

>>693134363
>illegals
>business owners
You're lying.

>>693134233
They got together and made the greatest country in the world, the USA.

>>693134418
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/immigration/undocumented-immigrants-can-legally-set-llc-even-hire-american-workers

>>693134418
oh thought you just said immigrants.

illegal immigration shuold be stopped, naturally. is it enough of an issue to elect a president on? of course not

we were talking about plain old immigration. you brought illegal into it.

>>693133092
Let's see... Mexicans

>half white
>white values, aspirations
>Christians
>believe in separation of church and state
>familiar with toilets and showers

The alternatives
>Indians
>Actual Africans
>Arabs/Muslims

The best you might get are Chinese, leaving aside the very well documented niceties of their culture (like eating dogs and cockroaches or having this manic impulse to constantly spit in public) most migrants will be well educated and competing directly with middle class Americans for lucrative jobs.

>>693134451
Talking about modern day dumbass

>>693134633
yes, and the kids of mexicans will just be firmly american. they have no desire to make the US into mexico.

mexicans are probably the least problematic minority.

>>693134561
HAHA really sucks when you think you're making a point defending someone only to be shot down by that person you think you're defending.

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>>693134790
More lying by the left.

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>>693134790
>>693134790

>>693134813
Just showing the anons that illegals can open businesses

>>693134561
yes, plus they can then also legally work for much lower than minimum wage this way too.

>>693134928
she's probably a trump supporter. you can't fault them for doing the same thing every rational american wants to do too

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>>693135032

>>693135094
i'm not up on my pepe memes so i don't know what this means faggot

>>693135032
>attacking people based on political views
>rational

>>693125457
So it's okay to be a corrupt shitbag that is above the law as long as some faggot can use it as weak bait.

>>693126326
>>693126721
Hang yourself

>>693135152
>i dont understand facial cues
>yes i do have autism, why do you ask
Kek, dont you have some skittles to count and sort.

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>>693135291
MAGA

>>693133889
Trump is proposing policies contrary to business, however much he may bill himself as a great businessman himself, this includes liberal use of debt for finance (he's threatened defaul as a way of renegotiating) unilaterally breaking treaties and international law (which means no protection for American intellectual property abroad, possibly trade wars) forcing restrictive laws on corporations (limiting where and how they can do business) and in general Venezuelan style protectionism in order to "bring jobs back". Big corporations/business is now global, they consider his style toxic (biggotry isn't good for their bottom line) and ultimately they won't allow themselves to be cut off from global markets. Putting obstacles to trade with China, Mexico, Japan; Korea and getting in the way of FTAs with Europe and the Pacific region means real loses to them. If you think private capital and investment are the engine behind job creation then Trump is going to royally screw things. If you want to try policies which were widespread in 20th century Latin America (aka import substitution with domestic goods) by all means he's your candidate.

>>693135632
>bigottry
Come on. Are you saying, bringing jobs back by incentivising companies is a bad thing? Do you honestly think other counrries will just up and stop trade with America if trump breaks treaties? You cant accurately compare other countries to America, we are a tier above.

>>693135632
yes, in every way imaginable he is a step backwards. backwards will no longer work in this modern world. it's a recipe for disaster.

>>693135632
There are good reasons we shouldn't be doing business with the Chinese.

Not even Russia trusts them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_the_International_Space_Station#china

You globalists are fucking retarded.
Plus you don't even make your paragraphs easy to read which tells me you might be a shill.

>>693134865
Then propose a better source, Eastern Europe cannot provide migrants to the US in the numbers needed and those are mostly people with college degrees and access to the EU, who else is left? Latin America is the most resource rich region in the world per capita, has no Muslims and is not hostile to Western culture (as its actually a part of it) What other region of the world makes for an important strategic ally? It's also geographically well located, no need to defend it from neighbours. If you want to stop all migration altogetherthen you need a plan that allows adjustment of the current economic model as without migration US demographics look like Europe's, it means a shrinking work force taking care of a growing number of pensioners. That you will have to adjust your living standard is an understatement... And FYI, the left wants to let EVERYONE in.

>>693136164
He is. which is why; conviently after every anti trump/pro hillary he has his hype man come in
Seen here>>693136156

>>693136475
I'm not reading that till you make it easier to read.

>>693136115
Name Trump policies that would incentivize business, all he's proposed so far are things investors hate.

>>693136164
And yet China remains America's most important trade partner, what do you think the effect on the average Joe will be, can the US produce electronics as cheaply? How about construction materials? Consumer goods? Clthing? Do you think you'll have as much disposable income without Chinese imports and payying for living wages on every single service that you receive?

>>693136506
yeah because 2 people can't both simultaneously hold views different than yours. sure kid.

>>693137102
>China remains America's most important trade partner
You're completely wrong on this.
The only reason any trade exists is because of "cheap shit".

>>693136695
Want met greentxt it?

>If not Latin America fucking who?

>>693137102
the only people who won't be fucked by this are the rich and the corporations.

>>693137102
Lowering the corporate tax rate is one
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/us-china-trade-reform

>>693137387
yeah because trickle down has certainly worked in the past right? dummy

>>693137199
I know youre same fagging. You post long walls of text, than come hype yourself up

>>693137102
>he is actually defending china's pollution and sweatshops

>>693137469
It has, you obvious minimum wager drop out.

>>693137469
>thinking i am talking about trickle down
Im talking about incentives to keep jobs in American, not wealth redistribution

>>693137220
Yeah, no surprise trade exists because of "cheap shit" do you think is corporations or consumers who will pick the price of ending "cheap shit"?

>>693137804
>we want jobs and more money!
>but we should send them all to china too!
Democrats everybody

>>693137771
fuck those shitty jobs of the past. the future is coming along quicker than people realize. manufacturing shit is not the future. it's 100 years ago. fuck it. let those jobs go. let's focus on the future. retraining and re-education is what's necessary now.

let's prepare americans for jobs, for example, that right now they need to bring in other countries to fill. let's make it so americans can do those jobs.

>>693137387
So Trump will lower taxes on himself? Please tell me how does lower income relate to greater spending?

>>693137945
And what are these future jobs? Tech? Good thing Trump wants Americans to do those jobs as well. He wants to make it harder to get the h1 visa, so Americans can take the tech jobs that are being stolen from us. And he wants to use the money from the h1 program to bring training into the inner city so poor youth can get in on the future. So more manufacturing for the rural rest belt, and easier access to tech jobs for the urban poor. Sounds good to me

>>693125682

It's alright, Trump will hail supreme. It really sucks for you Hillary cucks because you could of just chose Bernie, now you will face the wrath of truth.

>>693137387
So slightly lower taxes will draw corporations away from tax havens? And they will make up for loss of profit from selling all over the world?

>>693137945
>fuck those shitty jobs of the past
Why do democrats always spout off this horse shit?

>>693138268
tech will be increasing for sure.

the h1 visa is NOT the issue. the h1 visa is the only thing allowing these companies to actually exist.

the problem is americans are not able to do these jobs. fix that and you won't need h1 visas.

>>693138041
What? Your post doesnt make sense in relation to the topic

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>>693125457
>NO CHARGES
Until the Republitards have their say and then all her holes will be sewn shut and she'll be thrown down and old missile silo. Elizabeth Warren for Pres.

>>693138418
Which will happen with the redistributed funding

>>693138333
How are they losing profit?

Snowden for president!

Less of a traitor than Hillary!

>>693138425
Trump is not head of his own corporation?

>>693138519
the plan makes no sense.

leave h1 visa's alone and prepare americans for the coming jobs. it's simple.

>>693138602
He is, but your second question made no sense

>>693138610
>we need to prepare for the future
>but let us keep people taking the jobs we need to prepare for
Holy shit dude

>>693138418
>americans are not able to do these jobs
>this person does not know anyone who was affected by the h1b visa program

my mother, a trained american technician living in the USA, could not find work in her field during the recession because immigrants were cheaper to import in to do her job.

>this job she's done for 30+ years

>>693125457

The only choice is to not vote for Hillary. So I'll cast my vote to Trump, yeah he's a dirt bag but the same old establishment is really making things a bore now isn't it? It's time to spice things up, Trump will win and the worst part is the people had the choice to pick Bernie, now they will live with the results we all feared. Have fun Hillary cucks, your time is up as this only fuels the desire for young voters to pick change.

Checkmate.

>>693138825
americans can't do those jobs right now dummy. businesses need these jobs filled in the meantime.

how stupid are you?

>>693138580
Trump upping tariffs on foreign country means, at the very least, tariffs go up on US made goods. Do you think the US economy survives without exports? Do you think America is even competitive as it is? If you want to buy say advanced technology or luxury goods why would you choose American over German/EU made when Amrican goods/serices not only just became a whole lot more expensive and that country is not buying goods/services from you anymore? Do you think businessmen outside the US are not rational actors?

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>>693138610
>coming jobs

WHAT JOBS, ASSHAT!? There are none, they're being shipped out to countries with cheaper labor. The entire problem with h1b visas is that theyre TAKING JOBS THAT ARENT THERE TO TAKE. Its obvious you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>693138877
yeah i'm sure that's the only reason she couldn't get a job.

as if personal anecdotes mean anything anyway

as if mothers are all perfect workers.

as if shitheads don't lie about it on the internet

>>693125604
Only dumb fuck low-IQ voters are going for Trump.

Educated people on the other hand are all in with Hillary.

>>693125457
>Being excited someone gets away with crimes because they are famous
And this is why I hate liberals.

>>693138689
Have you heard Trump's comments regarding debt and default? You have not come across how he means to borrow to finance his programs?

>>693139092
>TAKING JOBS THAT ARENT THERE TO TAKE

this makes zero sense.

take a deep breath, get a hold of your butthurt and try again

wtf are you trying to say?

>>693139051
the funniest part is when every candidate that ran in this campaign is opposed to the TPP.

inb4 "nu uh Hillary supports TPP", no faguettes. She supports the concept, but shes said multiple times that it needs to be tweaked.

>>693139236
he has zero details abut how he wants to do anything, except that dumb wall.

i guess he intends to make i don't know china finance it?

>>693139181
>as if you're not a 12 year old in a basement who's never been part of the workforce in his entire life

kill yourself. judging by the brain damage, it sounds like your mother already tried in utero.

>>693139051
>americans cant do these jobs
Proof? I know plenty of tech studehts who are unemployed because of the h1.
How can you say out of 350 million people, there isnt a force of unemployed americans who catn do the work? Why do you want to import labor

>>693139268
i'm against the tpp too. what's your point?

>>693139268
She was for it before she was against it. Unions coming out against it changed her mind.

>>693139344
Yes, China paying US debt will work splendid... Trump calls himself the king of debt...

>>693139251
>makes zero sense

It really doesn't. Especially when you know what the fuck you're talking about. You have zero grasp over the causes of the Great Recession, yet you shitpost here about all the jobs we have to offer when we just got out of a 12% unemployment crisis.

>in case you have no basis for comparison
>12% unemployment is GIGANTIC

>>693136695
>Waaah, I'm too stupid to read anything longer than a Facebook post.

>>693139389
it takes training and education to do this work. the whole point it isn't a single person on the production line. those are the shittiest possible jobs.

artisan craftmanship is even making a comeback, thankfully.

here, this lays out some of the issues pretty well

http://townhall.com/columnists/helenraleigh/2015/09/05/the-truth-of-the-h1b-visa-n2048326

Now Trump literally does have nothing.

He has stolen all of his other talking points from Bernie and Hillary.

So there is no reason left to vote for him.

>>693139426
>im against the TPP
>yet support the h1b visas it created

you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>693139088
What makes you think America could not be competitive? We innovate much more than any other country? What makes you think people wont want American goods?

>>693139769
i support the visas for now until the american workforce is capable of doing the jobs that american businesses need to get done.

unlike picking fruit, it actually costs a business more money to get these jobs done by non-americans. so logically as americans are able to do thsee jobs, the number of visas will naturally decrease.

it's really simple.

>>693139942
Stolen technology =/= innovation

>>693139942
the whole idea of "american goods" is a throwback. it loses more and more meaning every day.

>>693139736
I work on a team based in San Francisco, which has no shortage of tech talent, and 17/22 people in my team are h1s. Of those 17, 2 are competent. If you think the choice to hire H1s has anything to do with the skill of the workforce available, you have been misled.
These h1 hires make around 40% less than the other 5 of us.

>>693139975
>really simple

When you explain it like a 2nd grader, anything sounds "really simple". But there's a lot more to it than that, sport. There are jobs here that needed to stay here, and everyone but you seems to agree on that. With odds against you this hard, it's shocking that you still think you're right.

>every candidate we've had said that the recession was the result of shipping jobs overseas amongst many other fuck ups caused by the TPP
>somehow you missed this

>>693140153
those jobs are NOT h1b visa jobs, that's the point.

>>693140087
It's because the US worker cannot compete in a global market. They are too lazy by comparison.

>>693140147
they still cost the company more money.

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>>693140273
They really are, kiddo.

Or did you think people literally meant "jobs that left US soil"? They mean the jobs here, that could be performed by American workers, that got filled by cheaper labor imported by big businesses.

>shitposting this hard

>>693140035
>stolen
By whom and when?

ITT: one Hillary bootlicker (obviously too young to vote or understand politics) and Bernie/Trump supporters who aren't fucking autists.

>>693140337
think about the digital marketplace. an american band creates music online and people all over the world buy it. does that music count as an "american goods"?

>>693140526
those jobs can't be performed by american workers, that's the point. american workers need more training and education. we've fallen behind.

>>693140413
>do you not think these business owners are rational agents
Then why hire them?

>>693139235
They are literal cancer and would support Bill if he sexually assaulted a bunch of women or if Killary helped a child rapist get off easy.

Oh wait, they already are.

>>693140661
because americans can't do the fucking jobs.

we're going in circles. either you're dumb or you have some hidden motive for not understanding this.

>>693140642
Dear god almighty, you're not even part of the workforce. Why would anyone ever take you seriously?

>read more about the TPP
>and why every candidate has come out against it

>>693140817
THEY CAN DO THE JOBS, THATS THE ENTIRE FUCKING POINT.

They don't require training, they've been able to do these jobs. They WERE able to do these jobs when immigrants took them, they've been able to do these jobs since the position itself was available. Americans CAN DO THESE JOBS yet can't land the position because immigrants are cheaper.

>how is this rocket science to you
>its astounding

If your theory was correct, we wouldn't have gone through a recession in the first place kid. Think before you shitpost.

>>693140845
i'm against the tpp too faggot.

that doesn't mean you have to be against every part of it, against every word ever written in the damn thing.

your black and white mentality is part of the problem.

>>693140817
And you have yet to show me proof behind your viled claim.
>americans cant do the jobs
Again out of 350 million god damn people, Americans cant do the work? You are telling me no one is specialized enough to do the work. Until you show me proof, we will continue to go in circles.
http://www.cjr.org/essay/it_doesnt_add_up.php

>>693139975
are you trying to say that american's cant landscape or do construction?

>>693141004
you don't know what you're talking abuot. they cannot. they are way behind. no one even has any interest in being trained for these jobs.

the visas are the only thing allowing american tech companies to compete and actually function at all.

>>693141119
yeah because clearly you don't understand what these types of jobs are. you think it's the same as fucking selling cigartettes in a gas station.

i.e. you're an idiot.

>>693125930
i could say the same for Reagan

>>693141032
your stupidity is the problem, kid. if you can't grasp the concepts that were included in the TPP, then you don't support it because you have no idea what the TPP even was in the first place.

you can support your concept of it all you want, just know that you sound like a fucking moron.

>everyone says this about the TPP

I'm not pulling shit out of my ass, this is how everyone BUT YOU feels about the TPP.
>those odds are NOT in your favor
>in case you failed basic mathematics too

>>693141119
i gave you a link. you clearly didn't read it

you're probably a paid shill.

good luck with your shitty job.

>>693141327
you're just a troll.

>>693141247
>you think it is selling cigs
Did you fucking read my link retard? I know it is for the tech area, i know it is scientists, engineers and the like. Show me proof that Americans cannot do these jobs! You fucking intellectual coward.

>>693140817
I know its anecdotal, but my team does QA, which literally any computer literate person can learn to do. Except for half of H1s who land here for 6-7 months before being fired. In the past year, 11 H1s were let go before the end of their 12 month contract due to their inability to do the work. People are just people man, its not like India is a nation of geniuses.

Of the Americans interviewed for the role, we see a lot of strong candidates, but they take other positions as Wells Fargo pays complete shit.

When a company offers less money than a job is worth and can't find people, you can't blame that on the American workforce

any non-trolls have anything to add to the discussion?

>>693141161
>no one has any interest

Tell that to the 12% unemployment rate we saw 4 years ago you vapid cunt. EVERYONE wanted a job, no one could find one except immigrants. That doesn't mean no one could DO the job, just that there was NO JOB for them to do. Because it was already taken by a cheaper immigrant.

>these are very basic concepts

>>693141004
It's kind of hard to do manufacturing jobs when all you have are gender studies grads, and entitlement fucks who think they should be paid the same wage as the guy who has worked 20 years on the job.

>>693125457
If they keep on doing this they will just cause a world war 3

>>693141331
All your link talked about was one person's life as an h1b visa holder, it didnt explain why Americans cant do the jobs despite huge numbers of unemployed/underemployed STEM workers. All your link said was hurr it is expensive so companies must have to have a reason lol

>>693141394
You're just a retard. You have anecdotal evidence, links to sources, and you still sit there saying "nu uh americans cant do the jobs" like a faggot. You have so many people proving you wrong ITT it's almost comical.

>even the politicians who do this shit for a living prove you wrong

>>693141561
>guys who worked 20 years on the job HAD THEIR JOBS STOLEN TOO
>being this goddamn useless

kill yourself

>>693141561
yeah, good point. the whole education structure needs to change. we need to modify it to keep up with the coming changes.

ITT butthurt lowlifes who can't hold a job blaming every immigrant for their own shit lives.

Take some personal responsibility and fix your own life faggots.

>>693142322
>resorts to insults because he cant prove his argument
You have a lot of posts to reply to, may want to get started

>>693142322
yes, they feel taken advantage of. it's pretty much just the low-end jobs they're worried about losing too, that's the funny thing about it.

meanwhile if we train and re-educate - not for a degree necessarily, that needs to change - they will be much better off in the long run.

>>693142322
>immigrant who took our job located

Bet your family came from a 3rd world country with "nothing to their name" and "worked for everything they have today" too, huh?

>ITT one solitary faggot defending his shit interpretation of the TPP
>while calling the taxpayers who pay for his foodstamps irresponsible uneducated entitled brats

>>693142752
>low end jobs
Read the thread m8, we arent talking about just low end work.

>>693142773
funny and true whether or not this decision by the FBI proves it

>>693125457
I'm sorry, but was the Clinton case already dropped? Oh, that's right. The case isn't over yet. In fact, it's only passed to the DOJ. Does not having the FBI investigating you count as a loss? Is that what you're saying? Because if you're saying that I can assure you that you're wrong. Why would you make this topic when the investigation is still on? The DOJ are still investigating right now and they have been the best forensic team in the West for how many years now? They're investigating one of the worst presidential candidates in the USA who just happen to have a FBI connection because they're feeding off the energy of her husband. But you know what? She's still a fucking crook. Trump is one of the best fucking candidates in the USA, they went 17-1 last year and would of won the polls if the muslim didn't shoot up the club. Maybe you should shut the fuck up before you make retarded topics like this. You know why? Because you're going to be embarrassed when Hillary is indicted and someone bumps this topic. Are you a fucking drunk? Are you retarded? Are you autistic? You are a fucking idiot and you should never make a topic on this board again and I'm fucking serious. I almost have a feeling you're the only guy making all these anti-Trump topics because you're a faggot hater who doesn't like the team because they're good. Fuck you, be good at something in YOUR life and then maybe try to troll these fucking candidates on the board, like I give a fuck. It's so easy to spot out your threads now, you're a retard. Always doing stupid shit like this. Why don't you try to be a good poster? Just for once? For once in your fucking life try not to make a topic like this. That's just you, you're always right at getting it wrong. Fuck you. You are nothing.

>>693142942
the fbi has investigated and will continue to investigate every single national politician. if's a fact of life. you just don't hear about most of them.

>>693142942
keep telling yourself that. You might just convince yourself of it.

But no one else buys into your whiny bile.

>>693127542
>not understanding how emails servers work
lmao you don't actually believe this do you

>>693135032
Listen. I don't even like trump, but even that's fucked up. Nobody should assault another person.

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>>693128194

*$0.50 has been wired to your account*

>>693130115

> climate change is settled science!
> but gender is fluid! all of biology is wrong because i am clearly a polytransabioticwhalekin!

>>693135632

> "businesses might make less money when we stop them from using slave labor in 3rd world countries!"

also:
>bigotry

>>693140087
>>693140035
>>693139088
>>693138333
>>693137102

> "tolerant" liberals unironically defending chinese sweatshops

>>693133972
jesus christ you people are fucking delusional

>>693144999
the sweatshops are going to be a thing of the past pretty soon too. in the meantime, better chinese workers suffer than american ones. imo.

>>693125457
implying people won't view this as corruption.

>>693145547
Wow

>>693145584

Only those already firmly buying into right wing propaganda are going to see this for anything but what it is: justice served.

>>693125457
if Trumpo keeps saying she's a criminal when now she has no criminal charges pending against her and he has several, then he is just like a tumblrina who says a man accused of rape who is found innocent is still guilty.

>>693145722
lmfao u gotta be kidding me

>>693125457
implying she won't be charged with something else tomorrow.

>>693145877
Only Hillary wasn't found innocent. She in fact was responsible for 101 classified emails being on an unauthorized server.

trump is right about some things. if you want rich conglomorate corporations and families to keep tight control over the means of production and distribution then we need to get those jobs back in the USA.

the coming changes are scaring the shit out of trump and the businesses he represents.

the end-result of things like uber, etsy, ebay even amazon, yes amazon, the promise of 3d printing in all sectors, even clothing, is what's scaring these old timers.

we can either give in and let them get back control of we can prepare for the future NOW.

>>693146319
i guess we can get all philosophical huh? not guilty = innocent. period.

>>693146319
110

>>693147189
>globalist rhetoric
>implying your preparing for the future isnt setting up an even worse fate and even more concentration of wealth

>>693147189
>we can prepare for the future NOW

I suggest SCORCHED EARTH POLICY. Burn it all down.

>>693147479
You have to go to court / be indicted to be "found" innocent or guilty you dumb shit.

>>693147479
>not guilty=not sufficient evidence
Saying not guilty=innocence shows your ignorance of American justice

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>>693147574
>Burn it all down.

>>693147565
it's the exact opposite of global dummy.

each person creates and gets paid for the stuff they create. each person individually offers a service and gets paid for that service. no middlemen, no higher-ups deciding what should or should not be made.

>>693147574
yeah when your life is really shitty, why NOT do scorched earth. your life can't get worse right?

>>693147675
the fbi found her innocent you fuckwad

Hillary Clinton did absolutely nothing wrong.