Install Gentoo

Fedora is great
using it for a while now

>>693107920
It has a moderate learning curve to do anything worthwhile and that is too much hassle for Windows users and Macfags.

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>Implying popularity equals quality.

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Debian is the best distro.

>>693107920
gentoo/funtoo

>>693108435
Why do you say that? Additionally, which release do you run?

>>693108553
I run Debian but Linux mint is Debian based and good for newbies and non noobs too.

>>693107920
Linux is good indeed but for computer literates. I use Ubuntu Linux for example: it is considered ‘for beginners’ kind of distribution but it fulfills all my needs. I couldn’t go for Arch or Gentoo – they are for gut-dwellers, not scared of terminal abyss window, but that distribution is ideal for me: it got gongs and whistles and everything I need from computer. Still I had to figure out some nasty things that occurred after installation. Several rules of thumb also help to run and maintain the system. Some say Ubuntu is malware, botnet even, but I have no choice – stick to that distro for good and evil to come (hope the latter never comes tho).

>>693107920
I've used Debian based OS's for the most part. I think the best Buntu is MATE, but only mess with Buntu or Mint if you're starting out on Gnu&Linux.
The fags on /g/ seem to like the Gentoo based OS's. Arch seems based as fuck but I can't tell you for sure cause when I installed it on a VM it worked until I couldent get a desktop up or the fucking thing to update.

>>693108435
>>693108553
i think so too, debian has most drivers, APT (my fav) and many tools. If you are not a gamer, try Debian.

>>693109053
Personally, I'm not a huge fan of aptitude.

>>693109053
>>693108435

I am a 5 years ubuntu user. Is the pain of switching to debian worth it?

>>693109581
Probably. I don't use either and haven't in a while, not personally at least. Though I will state that if you're already using Ubuntu, it's worth switching to Debian.

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>>693107920
Xbunti

>>693109442
you use pacman? i never really tried another one than APT, its cause i startet with ubuntu

>>693109581
i dont want to make you switch if everything is ok atm, remember: never change a running system!

Windows xp

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>>693109711
ghosts and goblins.

>>693109711
Yes. Currently I run Arch and use pacman. I've always preferred it over Apt. Just personal preference really, though I feel the commands and functionality are nicer, as well as oddly more aesthetically pleasing in use.

>>693109827
While this is generally a good rule to follow, you don't have to. Change isn't always bad, just remember you don't need to fix something that isn't broken. If you want to change, change. There's no real harm in doing so.

Since lots of people hate on arch, my current uptime on Arch is 35 Days with a laptop.

>Implying systemd distros are not botnet shit

Arch masterrace checking in

>>693110141
Arch could be best if there wasn't systemd.
Archfag reporting

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>>693110116
>Implying

arch here,
I like apt, but the aur has stopped me from wanting to go anywhere else.

I still dual boot for games.

>>693107920
It's free, so people who develop it aren't motivated enough to make it user friendly ( Although you can use easy distros) Also, kids windows because it's got all the gayms and they get used to it so they stick with it. Honestly, linux is a better OS but windows currently has a lot more programs for literally everything.
>inb4 wine
It can be unstable sometimes, but Linux is becoming more supported and newbie friendly each day.

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>>693110141
>>693110205
>>693110571

>>693107920
Because industries refuse to train people. Not many programs are supported by Linux. Regular people can't into more than a brainless clickedy clack.

Gentofags use arch wiki and there is a reason for it

>>693107920
Everyone IS using Linux. Not that they are aware of tho
Manjaro user here. Used to use Ubuntu.

>>693111079
Who doesn't use arch wiki?

>>693107920
>Android
>servers
You meant desktop Linux I think

>>693111153
True

fedora mate compiz spin <3

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>>693111113
manjaro is love

for a webserver is better debian or centos?

Anyone here use Weston/ Wayland at all?

>>693112076
Centos is one of the best supported server OSs
But debian is a close second

Centos is normally everyone's choice only because it mimics RHEL

I recently stepped out of my windows box and started using ubuntu. It took me a few days to get everything set up but I really like it. The only thing I dont like is the lack of game compatibility.

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>>693107920
Windows and Mac users are usually not wanted in to the linux scene so people will intentionally weed them out by posting all solutions as a command line job.

GNU/Linux doesn't need you, you need GNU/Linux

>>693109581
Ubuntu is a good OS, I use it on all my computers and I am a freelance developer. I even have alot of games running on my desktop under Ubuntu.

>>693108320
>Implying the best quality isnt the most popular
How does It feel to know Linux is you in highschool while Windows was the star athlete who has a successful life?

>>693110815
This.

>>693112401
Depends on what you play. Especially indie games and the sort nowadays also made for GNU/Linux as editors make exporting for multiple platforms so easy and libraries like SDL are so widespread. The more popular games often run well enough on wine (I guess there are exceptions but I haven't ran into any recenty.) Though wine of course does mean you have to go through a little extra trouble by going to the wine appdb and see what other people have done to make the program work or work more efficiently.

>>693112687
Yes by stealing your resources.
>muh bloat

>>693112687
atleast in my school the star athletes didn't really do anything with their life. The loners and nerds rule the world.

>>693112824
I dont do a lot of pc gaming these days (Iuse my sons computer for that if i need to) and everything I do play is through steam. It hasnt been a huge inconvenience and I'm sure if I tried hard enough Id find a way to play most of the games id want to (that I'd be able to on this old laptop).

>>693107920
hey use Linux mint, i love that´s distro

>>693113650
Among Linux users, mint is frowned upon.

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>>693112468
what a helpful community

>>693113832
thanks for the vital input

>>693113832
Use the debian-based version. It allows updates and is faster than the ubuntu-based version.

I'm a Linux user, but I don't necessarily frown upon it as a noob distro.

>>693107920
By "everyone" I assume you mean the vocal minority which also includes fans of certain genres of popular music and an odd fascination with seeing movies they know will not be enjoyable.

I'm a Ubuntu user and a Windows user and I use Macs too if need be. Because I don't really give a fuck what I code on so long as I keep getting paid as well as I do to do it.

I never understood why anyone cares. It's just a different tool. Ubuntu is fine, I use it a lot.

>>693113832
another reason people don't like using linux is this. They start going into it but linux users are mostly rude so they push people away from linux.

>>693114674
So this thread is Zed?

>>693114791
Zed Bias

>>693112468
The biggest reason for posting the solutions to most problems as command line versions is the fact there's no unified GUI for GNU/Linux. There's a great amount of distros there and a damn large amount of different of GUIs/desktop environments too, so the easiest way is to take the general route that works on every system and say the command line version.

>>693114674
so true, the linux communtiy is pretty toxic frequently. Ask a stupid question about windows, no problem.. ask a intermediate question about linux, die noob.

>>693114674
Why haven't I ever seen this sort of behaviour, then. I heard it shouted out on /g/ all the time but still haven't seen any concrete examples. You could post forums replies or something of people being rude to new users or something, you know, to make the point more concrete.

>>693108259
A moderate learning curve to do anything worthwhile was acceptable in the 1970's and 1980's. Users no longer need to "learn" a modern OS in order to get work done.

Linux, however, has stayed in the dark ages. And not so much "because lol Linux", but because of the way FOSS works, it's requirements, and how it's supported. Which is all great for people willing to learn it to get a task done. But in 2016 your average user has moved beyond that kind of thing.

>>693110815
>more supported and newbie friendly each day
you are talking about the specific distros faggot not Linux

>>693116317
The only reason people have to "learn" to use a modern desktop distro (like Amazon-Ubuntu) is the fact they're used to the Windows-way of doing things.

>>693116494
This is accurate. Especially considering the Windows approach to things is fuck-all-terrible.

>>693109581
If you are prepared to view Readme's and man pages you are good to go.

>>693117484
What the fuck do people have against readme's and man pages? For fuck sake.

>>693117581
Dickhead! I was being serious. i started reading them in 1997 and still refer to them.
you must be a newfag

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>>693117581
man pages are gay by definition. Please be gentoo with me.

>>693117701
I'm serious too. They're perfectly reasonable and helpful, but people are afraid to put in the effort and read them to learn shit.

>>693108122
Gentoo: because being a control freak means watching megabytes of compilation logs scroll up for hours on end

>>693117906
you are forgiven
I thought you might go all Darl McBride on me

>>693118905
T-Thanks.

>>693112687
if by "success" you mean "professional career kicks off gloriously, few years into the career the success starts going to his head & makes front page news in various publications over legal battles so often that some publications probably consider permanently reserving a portion of the publication for him for the next twenty years and counting, isn't the star he was in the beginning anymore, but is doing well enough that isn't probably going away for many years", then yes, Windows is a success, at the same time Linux is "quiet, hard worker, hardly visible to general public, held in high regard in his industry, a few "experts" who have no real experience in the industry to speak of insist he's just an amateur who everyone in certain specialized sectors of the industry rely on for some reason that doesn't make any sense & he could never 'make it' in 'the real world', doesn't really care that others are making tons of money thanks to him, he's just happy to be able to do what he likes & that he can be of use to others"

>>693119270
kek

>>693108259
and inherent issues with driver firmwares then security problems
with kernel updates the complete
lack of consideration by hardware vendor security and performance
the absolute lack of power saving

yeah the learning curve is if it don't
work make a script that does it then
that comes with 4 million problems

>>693120804
Try that again in English.

>>693121087
be of phone hound correctly spell automation

>>693121244
gr8 b8 m8, 3/8

>>693119270
This not only applies to operating systems, but real life as well.

The only distros I've run recently: Ubuntu and CentOS (also, Kali, but it's obv not for general use).

Ubuntu was nothing but trouble. Haven't had any problems with CentOS.

>>693123665
What sort of "trouble"?

Linux loses out because manufacturers and software developers prefer to provide support and configurations for Windows and not Linux. I prefer Linux, but I use Windows because I can't be assed dealing with all the compatibility issues associated with running Linux OS's. If I want to test on Linux I just use a virtual machine.

>>693119270
then Mac: in the beginning not really a nerd but not a jock either, got plagiarized by Windows early on which helped the latter to become a success, got by thanks to certain industries liking what he was doing until one day he re-invented himself & finally became a success, has a cult-like following that borders religion, some call him a scam but he doesn't really care, he gives people what they (think they-) want, isn't hurting anybody & it's making him rich.

>>693109581
Unbuntu and debian are basically the same.

>>693107920
Your pc is a botnet itself by hardware. No matter which OS you have, you can always get rekt. If you like Windows, get "Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB".

>>693124313
Which compatibility issues do you have, that can't be fixed with 5 minutes of work?

>>693124528
Are you literally retarded?

>>693124956
what makes debian and ubuntu so different tehn?

>>693124956
Software and Hardware issues. For example. I purchased a cheap AC USB WiFi dongle that I had endless troubles with. The support simply didn't exist. I ended up having to run a script every time I rebooted my computer for the dongle to activate and start transmitting. Don't try and deny that Linux is a pain in the ass to use.

osx is better than any linux distro cuz its freebsd

>>693123991
>What sort of "trouble"?
It's been over a year since I was running Ubuntu, but I was always having issues with getting things working. Off the top of my head, I remember having issues using Octave in an RDP session.

I remember always going to the ubuntu help forums and someone else would be having the same problems, but there weren't real solutions. It was always "why are you trying to do that?"

Since I moved to CentOS, I just haven't had any such issues. Shit just works.

>>693125166
> windows, any version
> update
> reboot
> wait for computer to shut off
> start again
> wait for computer to start because update need to be installed (?)
> wait at least 5 minutes for nothing because windows is a bag of security hole anyway

> linux (on debian for example)
> # apt update; apt upgrade
> if kernel update, reboot and be back in a minute, else continue what you were doing

Why linux is a pain in the ass?

>>693125522
summerfag detected
underage b&

>>693125166
Okay, well, you made the script. Congratulations you learned something, now fucking set it to autostart on system boot and you're good to go, won't ever have to think about it again. I'm sorry, was this a hard step? Because it literally takes 10 seconds.

>>693125708
Your argument is pointless. I hate Windows for other reasons, but I find it less of a pain in the ass overall. Pointing out (correctly) that Linux is more efficient when updating does not make my other issues any less valid.

>>693125166
> windows
> want a software
> go to google and type trololo
> see almost 1000000 answer for trololo
> find a website that looks not so bad
> download an .exe on a shitty bandwidth
> 10 hours later, you run trololo.exe
> click 10 times on next
> shit I installed 3 unwanted software
> virus on computer now
> rekt

> linux (for example, debian)
> apt install trololo
> enjoy

Why Linux is a pain in the ass?

>>693125931
Literally one example out of many. Why are you getting so upset at another person's choice of operating system anyway?

yum

>>693125943
Linux is just easier to understand and to work on, yeah you'll have trouble sometimes, but guess what? There is a plenty of problem on windows, maybe not about compatibility, but the system is fucked up since it's born and peoples still use it because it's popular.

Now, if you have a nice debian stable most of the time it'll be okay. Need "exotic" compatibility? Fedora, Arch, Ubuntu or even Debian sid can makes you happy.

I lost ten mores times on windows update than error and bugs on my Debian unstable.

>>693126016
Because its ignorant people like you who enable the existence (and dominance) of harmful, proprietary software. [spoiler]t: not him[/spoiler]

>>693110815
I'm really hoping that Win10 drives more developers to start making games that will run on Linux nicely. I'm mainly a gamer, and while I've used Linux in the past, Wine is trash and I need an OS that will natively support my games, so I stick with Win8.1. My hope is that someday the people like me who refuse to update to Win10 will be able to use Linux for all our gaming stuff.

>>693126200
Even if proprietary, valve have made a good, and probably bigger than never, start for linux gamer.

>>693116317
people are more stupid now, using your brain is not acceptable in 2016

>>693126334
It really has been helping, lots more games have been coming into the market for GNU/Linux in the last couple years.

It's a pretty shitty excuse nowadays. If more people switched now, more games would come. End of story.

>>693126196
This

>>693116494
>>693116762
Now I'm mainly a Windows user, but what's terrible about their way of doing things? I'm not afraid of the command line, but I much prefer a nice UI over it. It's infinitely better than the confusing mess that is the Mac OS UI.

>>693107920

cool it's time for my retarded questions, anyone here experienced with arch and bumblebee (for laptops) ?

>>693126538
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Bumblebee

its in use by like 80% of the worlds systems

>>693126147
Through my own experiences and trials, I find Windows has less overall problems, essentially no compatibility issues. I do use DeepIn on my small laptop as I don't need to run anything 'exotic' on it, and I find it works okay, but it does crash once every few weeks, which is annoying. I'm thinking about switching back to Ubuntu.

>>693126196
Ignorant? Hardly. I would be ignorant if I'd never tried Linux. There are plenty of things I like about Linux, such as the file hierarchy system and the simple permissions structure. I prefer Terminal over CMD. The fact is that Linux isn't as well supported. I use a lot of programs that don't work well on Linux. Some software I like to use isn't compatible at all. All in all, it's much easier for me to use a Windows OS. I don't support the company, either, since I've never purchased a Windows distro before.

>>693126492
I'm glad that Valve helped it along, but most games made for Linux are little indie games, which I'm really not interested in (usually, there are exceptions). Really most of my games are older AAA/slightly off AAA titles (Paradox, Bethesda, etc.).

>>693107920
In my corporation we use Linux distributions to run our servers, program our controllers, etc.

Just you don't see in any hipster home doesn't mean it isn't used.

>>693125883
i'm older 4channer that you idiot, osx it's better fag

>>693126532
Funny you should say that, because the UI options on GNU/Linux are a thousand times better than windows!

>>693126866
There are still a lot of larger titles as well. But I don't usually play very intensive games myself. One of my favorites is Terraria, which is a fucking 10/10 game and is native on GNU/Linux.

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>>693125708
because is less mouseble. Also is not Fisher-Price like

>>693125988
you forgot that in Linux:
>every now and then get an error message about dependencies
>check what these required packages are
>non-free software that are in repositories you have to add yourself because the guys who made your distro want to make sure their users who chose Linux because of the opensource thing don't accidentaly install non-free software

I know, adding those repos isn't a big deal once you learn how to do it, but it's still not fun when you have to go through updating apt after adding those repos before you can install the missing packages...

>>693110815
>It's free, so people who develop it aren't motivated enough to make it user friendly ( Although you can use easy distros) Also, kids windows because it's got all the gayms and they get used to it so they stick with it. Honestly, linux is a better OS but windows currently has a lot more programs for literally everything.

one million times this.

I'm using ubuntu currently.
After decades the linux desktop has the basics down in gui programs.
But I miss quite some programs from windows that were freeware and offered a lot more of functions and were definitely more user friendly.

>>693127140
Depends on the distro. On Arch based distros the user repository, although unofficial, usually contains non-free stuff packed with the dependencies. Debian on the other hand is pretty strict, and as result, Ubuntu somewhat inherits this structure as its the same package management system.

>>693127358
Which programs? Maybe somebody can think of alternatives if you say which.

>>693127140
Why you make it sound like a hazzle? It's even easier than windows. You just need to get the libraries that are needed, it will tell you, you just need to read. Use apt or pacman and get them. You sound like a little bitch

>>693127480
anti twin
irfanview
ditto
visipix
winmerge
CCleaner
Eraser

The alternatives I found are worse than those I've used on windows. Either less comfortable to use or just lacking in functionality.

I mean I like the command line in linux but not for every task.

I'd like to have a taskbar like windows. But without having to jump through dozens of hoops by installing additional packages.

Because it's only good for certain purposes, and is for people who are good with shell and programing. It's not for people that aren't tech-savy, to put it lightly

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>>693110876
>nice one
Arch here too but if it's a first time with linux, you are going to have bad time.

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>>693127869
>CCleaner
>taskbar like windows

>>693127869
>>I'd like to have a taskbar like windows. But without having to jump through dozens of hoops by installing additional packages.

Most desktops have one

>>693127869
>irfanview
viewnior

>ditto
Not familiar with it but there's plenty of managers for the X clipboard, though I've never used one.

>CCleaner
Isn't this some sort of windows meme, like windows and harddrive memory fragmentation.

>winmerge
I know KDE has a similar type of tool but don't remember the name.

Where can I learn to use that fucking command line? I have Mint and tor/tails and sometheing else. Tails works fine but not fit for casual use, Mint is cool but once I have to do something with the command line I'm fucked, and my other one, ubuntu or debian, my track pad won't work so fuck that.

>>693127869
>I'd like to have a taskbar like windows. But without having to jump through dozens of hoops by installing additional packages.
XFCE4 Panel.

>>693127869
>>693128728

>what is tint2

>>693129017
For clipboard shit try parcellite.
And yes, CCleaner is pretty much. On GNU/Linux that shit is 100% unnecessary and stupid.

>>693129037
The fuck don't you understand?

>>693129080
So many options.........

>>693129037
If you do a lot of stuff that requires it, you get a hang of it by yourself in a bit. But Here's a nice series of lectures I watched recently just because it seemed nice, I'm sure it'd be helpful:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxikwcqz8D0

Other than that, your search engine of choice is your friend. The most important commands you'll need are sudo (on most systems, anyway), cd, mv, ls -l, cp, touch, cat, grep. Learning that'll at least allow you to navigate. Also search for unix command pipes on the internet - its the chaining of a command's output to the next.
And remember that when you can't remember what a command does or doesn't do, use the man pages (man *command*). If you're thinking of a command but can't remember it exactly try "apropos *search word*" - that'll search the man pages.

>>693129673
that's great advice, thank you anon. i'll give it a shot!

>>693129206
>So many options.........
I'm sure there's plenty of options but that's one that's certainly much like the Windows taskbar and easy to configure.