You've never experienced communist tyranny, either.

>>693083143
you don't know that, i have

>>693083012
>Americans consider Bernie a comunist...

>>693083012
>Millenials
>Voting
Nigger detected.

>>693083012
You're like four months late. Sanders publicly said he's voting for Clinton.

>>693083305
Oh I'm sorry 'democratic socialism'
adding democratic in front of something doesn't make it any better, in muslim countries you can democratically beat your wife.

>>693083535
I see people left and right saying they'll write him in. He won't win but I'm still going to tell his supporters they're wrong.

>>693083012
>says Democratic Socialism is no different from normal Socialism
>Doesn't realize The Great Depression was ended because of The New Deal, biggest democratic socialistic act in history

I love weed and hate Bernie, can't stump the trump

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Free college really should be a thing. That being said fuck bernie sanders.

>>693084731
Why should college be free?

>>693084863
Why shouldn't it be? Why should i need to work two or three jobs and be in debt just to pay for my college or university courses to be able to have a chance at a better job?

>>693085065
>believing in ancap bs

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>>693085227

>>693085204
Serious question. Why is Lenin on this image? What innocents did he have shot? (Names would be preferable.)

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>>693085454
His regime is in the list

>>693083012
None of your clever arguing is going to change the fact that there is clear evidence that points towards a primordial tradition and earlier advanced civilizations.
Can you explain why flood myths are so similar and so ubiquitous? Nope.Can you explain the recurrence of precessional numbers in myths and sacred buildings all over the world? Nope.
How did the Greeks and the Hindus develop the same myth of the "ages of man" separately? Why did the ancient Chinese and European alchemists use the same symbolism( REBIS hermaphrodite and the masonic square & compass)?
Did you even know that the story about the rib of Adam creating Eve is a metaphor that describes the sexual chromosomes? Of course not.
It goes on and on, I haven't even mentioned the Pythagorean tetraktys and the progression of the Yugas in the Puranas, or the sphinx facing leo at the end of the last ice age,etc...
There are so many things that modern atheists are ignorant of, yet they speak like they've figured it all out.
Why do you think the free masons forbid atheists from joining them? Are you more intelligent than the very people that rule this world(inb4 muh "conspiracy nut")? No you're not, You don't know shit.

>>693085168
Well who WOULD pay for it? Maybe if you didn't take gender studies and didn't work at mcdonald's you'd have more money.

>>693085065
beautiful thank you brother

>>693085368
You're implying you know what I am. I just dont agree with ancaps. They live in a fantasy world. We have finite resources and wealth, someone will always be exploited and poor no matter how "hard" they work.

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>>693083570
>Comparing Soviet era communism to Scandinavian free market with socialist aspects.

>>693085630
>someone will always be exploited and poor no matter how "hard" they work.
That's how life works. Some are the wolves, others the sheep. Strong rise, weak fail.

Sanders is done for this election - he ain't getting this year's primary. I mean, you can still hate him if you want, but it's kind of pointless now.

>>693085541
What does any of this have to do with anything?

>>693083570
To paraphrase Ayn Rand, "The difference between communism and 'democratic' socialism is a vote. It's the difference between murder and suicide."

>>693083012
No one will be voting for sanders once he endorses Clinton in a few weeks, or at the convention.

>>693085542
"Gender studies" no. Im taking courses to become an electrician...you know the guy who makes sure you get the electricity into your homes? Not everyone goes to college for something retarded, I'm actually trying to give back to my country but im unable to due to high prices just for the chance to get into one

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>>693085542
>Maybe if you didn't take gender studies.
Why do you cucks always go back to "DURR ESJAYDOUBLEYOUS" in these conversations. This literally has nothing to do with that right now. Yes gender studies is retarded, but regardless, college will put you in debt and it's hard enough to find a job with a real degree

>>693084485
If the New deal didn't happen, we still would have gotten out of the depression, and had been much more free and prosperous in the following decades.
Fucking retards always act like the new deal saved America. This is wrong.

>>693085938
I mean both sound pretty terrible!

>>693085168
Asking the inverse of the question you were just asked is not a fucking answer.

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>>693086009
>I'm actually trying to give back to my country
...by demanding others five you "free" shit. Think about this for a moment.

>>693085938
I like suicide,go kill yourself

>>693086009
Fair enough but whos going to pay for it?

Bernie Sanders Will Make Anime Real

>>693086093
You shouldn't quote Ayn Rand anon. She was a coward who sold out her beliefs and died as a welfare queen.

>>693086138
No one brought up sjws

>>693084863
more education = less idiots

>>693085168
>Why should i need to work two or three jobs and be in debt just to pay for my college or university courses to be able to have a chance at a better job?'

because your life is your own fucking responsibility. Why the fuck should I get up and go to work to pay for some snot nosed retard kid like yourself to get a better job than me?
Fucking sense of entitlement with millennials. I want to kick each and every one of your pampered fucking asses.

>>693086313
>implying taking out of a system that you paid into is bad
She paid into SS, she can take it back.

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>>693086433
>implying the genders studies majors aren't idiots
>implying anyone outside of STEM isn't an idiot

Jill Stein

>>693086233
Why don't you come kill me, boy. See what happens.

>>693086433
Colleges and universities are now ran by leftist morons so more "education" = more idiots

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>>693086578

>>693086313
Source that, you queer.

>>693086562
he's right though, don't respond with a meme and actually try to address him

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>>693083012
Don't worry, it's not society's fault you couldn't get into college and are now stuck in in a dead-end job while your wife fucks other, actually successful men.

It's yours.

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>>693086578
>jill Stein

>>693084485
The New Deal was an easy-way-out quick fix that screwed us over down the road. I mean yeah, we could do a bunch of shit that would make our lives better right now, but they would only last a few years without having incredible repercussions. That's the problem with liberals, they only see the initial outcome of a situation. "Free college? yeah thats a great idea! then everyone will learnded!" "Force everyone on to universal government heath care? what could go wrong?"

>>693085168
Boo hoo!!! I want you to pay for my chance at a better job!!! I'm taking gender studies after all!!!

>>693086438
By that logic, she shouldn't be decrying others who paid their taxes, but fell into hard times and resorted to government assistance. Nope, and she even took the money under an assumed name. What a hypocrite.

>>693086228
>>693086253
Im not demanding others to give me anything as working in general puts money back into a country, more people working jobs a country needs means a better economy for everyone but if the majority cannot pay to get a job to put money back into circulation thats when you get canada and its shitty dollar. Short answer is everyone putting a little bit of money and effort in so that everyone has an easier time. Im Fucking nad at explaining things so bear with me

>>693086562
Nice retort, kid. You are a glowing example of why i shouldn't have to pay for your education.
You clearly wouldn't make it into college on your own merits.

>>693083300
you don't know they have

>>693085938
And yet ayn rand was incredibly stupid. If you dont see a difference between forced equality (of outcome and not oportunity) which both costs enormous amounts and cripples organic progress, and government assistance with health insurance, free tuition, and higher taxes for the rich you are an idiot of the highest caliber. I dont agree with socialism, and id never put a socialist in power at the top, but aspects of socialism help keep the great beast of capitalism chained so it doensnt eat itself (see 2008)

>>693084485
no ww2 got us out

>>693086791
What argument? "My life was artificially harden by an unregulated system so your must be too!" How compelling...

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>>693086884
>Short answer is everyone putting a little bit of money and effort in so that everyone has an easier time.
i.e COMMUNISM
The state takes most of everything, hard working people are forced to support the lazy, it's a god damned nightmare and anything but just.

Where do conservatives get this idea that people are lining up for gender studies degrees? They didn't even offer it at my uni I don't know anyone who has

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>>693086569
well yeah you would have to fix your education system first, get rid of "gender studies" and the like

>>693086434
Lmao and you are part of the problem, no one should be more entitled than the next person, you pay for others to get free education which you can then use yourself to get a better job. Dont be a lazy shit man.

>>693085630
No we don't. We actually have infinite resources and wealth. Like, this is what's confusing the older generation, and why we need to wait for them to die, before we can just move on into a new age of abundance.

We have infinite wealth now. It's trivial to just make a matter / anti-matter reactor, that converts the energy produced this way into carbon / hydrogen and essentially "3d print" whatever physical thing you want. Including hydrocarbons (bread) that you can eat. The technology is out there.

It's just hidden, because the first thing 20/23 posters in this thread would do if they got their hands on such a device would be to manufacture bigger and deadlier weapons in order to feel safe. Which, obviously makes the other 19/23 hypothetical posters in this thread feel the need to manufacture even bigger and deadlier weapons.

Like, it's done man. We solved technology. Nobody will ever have to work again, unless they want to. But, instead what do ya' got? People *competing* to do tasks. And people creating problems, for others to solve. Really let that sink in. "I created work." That's a phrase people say without any sense of irony, but with pride instead.

Still, those who are in it for progress chug along, dragging the rest of humanity kicking and screaming with them if they have to, regardless of how much work they create for themselves.

>>693087206
It's more a meme than anything. Really what we're referring to is non STEM degrees. You know, the useless ones.

>>693084485
Tell everyone what caused it cousin.

>>693083012
What if I want to be a child, faggot?
You can't stop me!

>>693086009
We don't need any more goddamn electricians. Should I also pay for more construction workers and tree trimmers. Any fucking ape can be an electricians apprentice, but you are so fucking entitled you probably want to be a goddamn plant manager. If you want to be the next Tesla then pay for it yourself.

>>693086735
http://knowledgenuts.com/2013/09/20/ayn-rand-was-a-secret-welfare-queen/

http://www.alternet.org/story/149721/ayn_rand_railed_against_government_benefits,_but_grabbed_social_security_and_medicare_when_she_needed_them
I know you cucks love her, but there are superior libertarian figures who actually stuck to their beliefs.

>>693086985
You get the award for most hilarious retort of the thread.
A long winded way of saying "You don't agree with me. thus you are dumb."
"Beast of capitalism." nigga, is this 1833?
Forced equality can only bring those who do well down. Thus it is destructive, and curtails freedom and liberty. As such, it will not take true hold in America unless it comes down to a civil war.
It would certainly happen over my dead fucking body.

>>693087323
>It's trivial to just make a matter / anti-matter reactor, that converts the energy produced this way into carbon / hydrogen and essentially "3d print" whatever physical thing you want. Including hydrocarbons (bread) that you can eat. The technology is out there.
Star Trek is fiction, idiot.

>>693087290
noone should be entitled period.
how does giving money away get you a better job?

>>693087206
Like this dude said >>693087339
Majors such as Art History, and shit where the only career you can hope for is to teach the subject you majored in.

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>>693086929
And helping pay for your future medicare sounds so wonderful for my generation eh old man.

>>693086434
So heres the thing, free colledge is stupid, but a system like australias hex debt gives a nation the advantages of a population that can be highly educated, without the crippling cost of free tuition. The reality is a nation should be balancing these things by cost. There is a certain point where the advantages of the education you subsidize outweight the cost of paying for it (in terms of economic benifit.) Finding this sweet spot should be the goal, not simply saying it should be free, or that people should be in debt for the lives if they get an education. That being said, you have to many people in colledge and not enough people doing labour jobs, where theres a massive labour shortage.

>>693087399
>cuck
reddit is that way, kiddo

>>693087391
No. You dont need electricians in the U.S. but where I live we have no one to replace people in important jobs we need once they retire which is going to be pretty soon. No one to replace them because no one can get a degree to actually do these jobs. Im talking about trades not stupid shit like art or gender studies those should still cost money

>>693087323
even if that technology would exist how on earth would you make a society where people won't abuse the shit out of it and like you said make guns to overpower others.
And that's assuming we will ever get rid of the "people who don't work are lazy bums!!!"

>>693087452
Exactly. Rather than even consider the possibility, you've already decided it can't be true.

That's why you don't get to have nice things. You're doing it to yourself. WHICH IS FINE. Have as much struggle as you want, it's all yours.

But, when you start claiming "ra raaa not enough resources to go around," in order to justify your stance, just remember. There is. There's enough infinity for everyone. If everyone just sat down, around the world, just literally everyone woke up and simultaneously sat down and prayed or world peace for an hour.

Somebody would come forth with what you want to call a "replicator" and show you how to use it. It's your fault that this doesn't happen, not anybody else's but yours. You made the bed you're sleeping in.

Live in scarcity if you want, but don't go blaming others for your hard times.

>being a pure ameritard

yeah doood sanders is communist xD YOU ALSO EXPERIENCED TYRANNY XDD


fucking faggots, fuck your education and everything about usa

>>693087607
If you can copy and paste where I said medicare was a good fucking idea, I'll take a thing you say seriously.

>>693086837
This is stereotyping.
Education should be free.
Always.
If you don't agree, then you lack education.
Read a history book. See what happens every time.

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>>693087644
>Implying cuck didn't gain prominence in /pol/

>>693087607
I'll never understand the cuts to education. The older generation thrived on things like the GI bill and dump trucks of money poured into STEM during the space race. Now all these programs are being cut. Our economy is predicated on education; it's what allows us to further the job market.

>>693087735
hey Eurofag, everything about your continent is shit, all your countries are shit, and they will be overrun by sandniggers by 2020.

>>693087391
97% of jobs can be automated today.
That includes your job cousin.
So don't pretend it's us against you.
It's you yourself and us and them.

>>693087619
>Australia
What other nations do is irrelevant, so stopped reading that part there.
IMHO, government involvement in any education, of any grade level is wrong. If the feds are putting money into education, they sure as fuck are influencing it.

Awe. Is somebody lonely and looking for attention? That is so sweet.

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>>693087714
Do you understand physics? Where would we get the anti-matter? Do you understand the laws of thermodynamics? No such thing as free energy.

>>693087713
Welp. The first step would be to remove the U.S. military from overseas wars.

Is Hillary going to do that? Is Trump? Bernie will, for certain. I don't give a damn about his other policies--just the anti-war thing alone makes him the only sane choice in this election.

BTW, do I need to dredge up the numbers on how much welfare the Federal government gives to fatass military officers? SPEAKING OF WELFARE, you might consider going anti-war if you're against the idea of the government holding the populace at gunpoint, in order to redistribute their wealth. And by anti-war, what I really mean is to quit letting Saudi Arabia use the U.S. military like the cheap whore it's become.

>>693087894
Topkek.
Are people really this insecure about being white?

>>693087735
typical millennial hates his own country
go move to canada

>>693083012
You sound like a fucking muslim. Go back to Iraq.

>>693083012
Millenial here. Voting for trump.

>>693087714
do you know where you are?
>If everyone just sat down, around the world, just literally everyone woke up and simultaneously sat down and prayed or world peace for an hour.
Or are you just trolling us?
>>693087778
It was everywhere here for months before lolreddit or 9fag, not just /pol/(which frankly I don't spend that much time on) but I can tell which liberal queens around here hang out there.

>>693087922
You're creating more problems instead of solving them cousin.

>>693083012
Bait thread, but I will still contribute.

Sanders may not be the best leader, but he is a hell of a lot better than Shillary or Trumpfuck.

Socialistic Democracy is running the countries with the highest living standards in the world.

Is it perfect? No, but it beats Fascism and Totalitarianism.

Canada, Norway, Sweden, Finland. Look at their governments. For the people,

And no, it isn't just
>hurr durr my college and health care and weed

You can disagree with me, and that is fine, but trillions of dollars of debt and voting the same system in won't help shit.

>>693087429
>>693087220
Forced equality. As in comunism. As in im showing the difference between comunism ( forced equality of outcome) and socialism (a series of checks and balances and a potentialy over leveled playing field) i also said socialism, like enviromentalism should never be in a position of high level power ( because the ideology matters more than the outcome) but does do well if it advises and tempers the choices of capitalists. Your both thick as fuck if you think im a socialist. And yes capitalism is a great beast. When profit margins become more important than the financial security of a nation thats when its gone to far and it starts eating everything

>>693087922
Why? Americans stick their noses into every other countries' politics. If you can dish it out, you better be ready to take it.

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Same applies to eduction

>>693088189
you're barely of high school age aren't you?

>>693087751
Unless you plan on shooting yourself before your sixtys that doesn't change the fact you bitter old kook.

>>693088208
trying to explain socialism != communism
good luck

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>>693088274
kek you never get dubs, bitch

>>693087429
Oh and go read atlas shugged. Its trash. Ayn rand didnt rise to prominence cause she had quality opinions, it happened cause she justified the imorality of people who walked over others with no regard for their lives.

lol shut the fuck up ameritard, trump is a laughing stock

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>>693088208
Socialism leads to communism

>>693088310
Not really a real retort, but ok

>>693086154
dude stop baiting at least try with a good explanation of why it does not even though free college is less costly than imposed debt

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I'll vote for bernie-bird

>>693088208
>When profit margins become more important than the financial security of a nation thats when its gone to far and it starts eating everything
This has been the case since the great depression.

>>693088326
Well its like socialism is prescription drugs. Small amounts are good, and can vastly help a nation. To much and you fucking die. Comunism is just cyanide. Its bad and has never ever worked in any degree

>>693087967
Research Dirac's Sea. There is an infinite amount of anti-matter in the spaces between matter. What is required is a catalyst, to purify the anti-matter, so that it's in a form that can react with its reciprocal matter form. Contrary to popular myth, anti-matter can only convert if it's matched up with matter that shares its quantum numbers. Since Dirac's sea is essentially white noise, the abundance of anti-matter that is there doesn't react explosively.

I could teach you how to circumvent the second law of thermodynamics, but I won't, because I've already tried that over hundred times. Over a hundred times, I've been the one that takes burden of proof into my own hands, and does the work, and shows the equations, and makes the models, and explains patiently. I'm done. You can believe whatever you want.

Go ahead and blame scarcity for your actions if you want. Go ahead and blame scarcity, without even attempting to fix it, if you want. Fuck it. I'm headed to the hills again to wait out this disaster of a civilization.

>>693083012

>voting
>for Sanders
>voting

Well there go my sides.

>>693088531
Well yeah which is why i want more people like bernie, i just really dont want them as president. They need influence not power

>>693088059
glad you were raised right -->

>>693088189
>calling names
>"living standards" see every socialist country ever, haven't been to one have you
>canada bad healthcare, targeting law abiding gun owners
>sweden rape capital
>"beats fascism and totalitarianism" stalin sure beats hitler whats your point?
>"trillions of dollars" 1 years of sanders programs will raise the debt from 18t to 36t

>>693088277
Bullshit.
You need to learn more about capitalism.
And socialism.
Hell you just suck at politics, i'll give you make-ups till the next test. Study hard cousin.

>>693088708
>sources OP

>>693083012
But I havnt smoked weed in years and I already graduated.

Though I'm not a mellinial. I just prefer him to Hillary and trump.

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>>693088596
It would require god knows how much energy to extract the anti-matter, a super huge net loss.

>I could teach you how to circumvent the second law of thermodynamics,
Aaaand stopped reading here. You're an idiot.

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>>693088710
No actual counter to the argument?

>>693088441
Socialism can lead to comunism. You have medicare and free high school and primary and america. Thats socialsm, but it hasnt led to comunism cause it moderate. The slippery slope of some thing like socialism is real, but its also not very slippery till free colledge and totaly free medicare start to be implemented

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BTW, all you /b/tards have been arguing over is what form of Communism you prefer.

The U.S. is already fully communist. It's just, you don't get those benefits unless you're already rich. In which case, you get handouts like made. Handouts, that they print, from paper. Every dollar you've ever touched was already welfare handouts from the moment it was hot off the printing press. But that isn't even it. There's more credit, more digital money than actual fucking physical dollars in existence. Ya'll around playing around with little digital numbers in your bank account, and going "why don't you earn some REAL money."

THERE ISN'T ANY REAL MONEY. Money wasn't real to begin with, and fiat currency is even less so.

>>693083012
>sanders
>communist

pick one

>>693088596
Dude you're so full of shit.
Even without all these bullshit fantasies you're spewing, there's enough resources for everyone. So just drop them and maybe you'll be taken seriously.
India produces over 7 billion bananas a day. I don't need your fucking sci fi bullshit to feed people.
Funding is what is needed. The mentality is that spending money must be profitable. Hence fair trade and all the other bullshit companies.

>>693089032
Better idea: Let's just avoid socialism all together? Let people keep what they earn! If people care about the poor, they'll fund charities.

>>693085949
Guess I'm voting Gary Johnson after all

>>693086093
Jesus Chirst she's ugly. No wonder she was such a bitch.

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>>693088277
you dont understand rights

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>>693085454
Still disappointed nobody ever answered to this.

Ignorant of history, people point to Stalin's mockery of fascism and say "SEE? LENIN'S IDEAS DIDN'T WORK. SEE?"

>>693088330
kek

What is sanders even doing right now? I haven't seen or heard from him since the California primaries

>>693089319
You don't understand anything about morality. How is theft ever moral?

>>693089355
See
>>693085526

>>693089440
didn't say it was, i said you dont understand rights.

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>>693089126
Heheheh. I already feel like I know the answer to this question, because I've asked it so many times. I've asked it to university professors, to actual inventors, to bicycle mechanics, to mathematicians that worked for NASA, to the sons of engineers that worked for NASA, and never had a reply.

>Dude you're so full of shit.
Even without all these bullshit fantasies you're spewing

Really? I made a mistake? Can you please show me, with equations, so that I can learn where I am wrong and you are right? I would love to learn from you, if you would please teach me.

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>>693089200
Yeah but unchecked capilayism isnt actually good. See 2008. Regualtions are important and are good for maximizing and economy
>a poor man gets $100. He spends it and the economy is $100 richer
>a rich man gets $100. He banks it offshore to so he cant be taxed and the economy is $100 poorer.
This is why an efficent economy engages in SOME income redistribution, in the form or tax brackets (though not 90% cause while its better for the economy at that point it actually isnt any where near fair), while also reducing company tax to encourage economic advancement.

>>693083012

second this,

however,

trump is a fascist and will actually do away with even more rights. Notice the rise in terror acts coinciding with his increasing anti Muslim sentiment? Not a coincidence. The CIA is working with him. AKA the military industrial complex. These people are not pro business or capitalism. They are power fags that want oil money and to control brains via mass media propaganda and mass surveillance.

Pay attention.

Learn some programming and vote clinton because she's completely owned by wall street, which hippies might hate, but that's just because they're lazy.

Nothing wrong with being a hippy, but don't be a lazy hippy that doesn't do anything but bitch about how other people who don't get stoned all the time have more money than you.

And clinton is only pandering to liberals because they are dumb as fuck.

Just as trump is pandering to dumb fuck hicks.

But those who don't give a shit about any of this shit and just want to live a decent life and support their community, just fucking vote with the money. Trump doesn't no shit about money btw. Look how many times he's gone bankrupt. He's an actor.

>>693085526
Okay. I agree, that Lenin led the so called Bolshevik Revolution, in order to dethrone the current government, and seat himself as the de facto leader of his new communist regime. I also read his work, about how he regretted the necessity of that move, since it meant that the revolution was spearheaded by only a few; he believed that in order to truly overthrow the reigns of tyranny, the entire country needed to rise up together. I read his writing, on how he was all to aware of the irony of overthrowing one regime to install another.

Still, from all accounts, (that I'm aware of anyways) after fighting a legitimate and fair war, communist Russia under Lenin's direction experienced a blossoming, and successful reign. Until he was assassinated, and Stalin turned everything he worked for into the opposite direction by centralizing the power that Lenin had spread out, and enslaving the people that Lenin had freed.

I understand perfectly well that under Stalin's dictatorship, that Dictatorship Russia didn't do so well. What I want to know is that under Lenin's rule, how did Communist Russia do? Not Dictatorship Russia, *COMMUNIST* Russia. Do you see the difference?

Lenin <-- these are different people --> Stalin

Eating popcorn and watching Hillary and Trump burn your country to the ground

>>693083012

Have you experienced communist tyranny? Oh wait, no? Well that's just too bad to hear. Let us make the decisions of OUR future, you old men can retire now, your time is done. Just remember where we came from, it was you old fucks who made this generation, so remember that.

>>693089919
2008 happened BECAUSE of the government! All those banks would never have gotten that big in a true free market, not to mention it as the government forcing the banks to give mortgages to losers who couldn't afford them.

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>>693090095
You're so deluded there's no way I could ever make you see reason. I feel bad for you anon

>>693089273
He calls himself a socialist to b8 everyone and get attention polemically.
He's just a social democrat.
He's not anti-capitalist.
He wants to curb capitalism so that more than 6 million people have more than 50% of the country's wealth.
>inb4 CEOs used to be in a tax bracket of 90% before the 70s.

>>693090347
He wants to steal from the rich to give to the poor. He's a god damned communist.

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>>693089586
>screenshot of a banner

>>693090345
Soviets beat the Nazis. The what the power of communism holds.

>>693090347

But don't you see that wealth is just a side-effect of being smart?

>>693090138
Thats right we did make you so you better listen, every person who has survived communism will tell you how it doesn't work, you have no life experience and grew up without any wars or the threat of communist tyranny.

Are you suggesting that older people should lose their democratic rights?

Our time isn't done until ungrateful shits like yourself get a clue.

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>>693090347
And here we see our upper income bracket, hard at work sitting in chairs, and waiting 8 hours to press a ( Yes / No ) button to cast their vote, after being told what decision to make by their lobbyists.

Why can't you hippy pot smokers get a REAL work, like these hard working Americans?

>>693090590
Communists killed over a hundred and fifty million of their own people last century, THAT is the power communism holds.

>>693090345
This thread has gotten derailed about conversation about a democratic socialism into Communism vs Nazis.

I'm out. Enjoy your even more fucked up country in a year's time, Americans.

>>693090347

The market-place= a socialist state already.

Everything we have, cheap food, phones, and housing.

Might think its not cheap,

but it is. Because of mass production shit.

Corporate work life = communism. You get a job, you do your dumb job and your taken care of. You don't get rich, but you get enough and don't need to do much.

But there is an option for those who find this boring. You can do whatever you want sort of, but now all the boring shit is taken care of by corporations and robots.

And mexicans

>>693090807
And capitalists have been killing and imprisoning their own people for profit. What's your point?

>>693090095
Insofar as I'm just talking about Lenin's writings right now, you're right. He was aware of the irony. And then he was all, "I don't know how to control power of the Bolshevik party should a malevolent dictator step in."
"Oh hi, Stalin"

>>693091138
>implying there are anywhere near 150 million dead thanks to capitalism
How about we think about the number of people that capitalism has SAVED thanks to the technology and abundance it brings?

>>693083012
I think I have a better understanding of economics than you, solely based on your OP.
I also know I have better understanding of politics than you, also based on your post.
And, again, based on your post, I know that OP is fag.

>>693091280
Thank you for contributing nothing.

>>693090189
The banks wanted to give out high risk mortgages cause they dont care if those people end up ruined as long as it boosts their bottom line

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>>693090672

You don't think intelligence is distributed normally? It's so left skewed that this makes perfect sense?

>>693091276
Capitalists have probably killed that many of their own people and many many more foreigners. I can't put an exact figure on it because I don't believe in propaganda and lies.

>>693091167
Nonetheless, I'm convinced--based on observational evidence of history--that communism is an effective way to overthrow a government that's been corrupted by treasonous royalty. Kind of like how the U.S. is currently full of government traitors, who are selling out to the prince of Saudi Arabia. In between the moment when communism is itself overthrown by a dictator, and the beginning of a worker party uprising to throw out the royals who have been hoarding wealth in their country, it's a pretty sweet deal.

Considering that the Presidency lasts 4~8 years, it seems like a smart choice at this juncture. Either by assassination old age, Bernie will be dead by the end of it, and we'll just vote in whichever leader is the least like Stalin.

Compared to Hillary, who's already Stalin.

>>693091138
False equivalence retard.
>there is rape in western countries so we cant judge the actual rape culture of the middle east that is like 1000 times worse

>>693091495
Not him but it does, if you create a company, incur the risk, invest the money, pay your workers, then i think you deserve all of the money you make.

>>693083012
all those motherfucking IDIOTS stating that communism killed anybody; you fuckers obviously dont know what communism is about. what was actually implemented in the soviet union was a socialist dictatorship.

the main feature of communism is that in a communist society one does NOT produce for profit of any kind but for the needs of the people. and as long as the people determine their need and it is not shoved upon them like in stalins or lenins or whatever soviet era, there is absolutely no point in killing anybody, so shut you ideologically poisoned mouths you idiots and read the capital by marx to understand which opposing interests naturally arise from a capitalist society and how they can be overcome, thus resulting in a communist society. NOTA BENE: killing somebody is the expression of opposing interests which would have vanished in a communist society. FUCKING IDIOTS

>>693091495
That's a little too highbrow for anon. He understand that he makes money, and he congratulates himself for making money by telling himself that he's smart. Any logical structure beyond that meets the end of his concentration, and he just loops back to the part where he makes money.

>>693091583
>probably
>i dont know
>i should really stop talking

>>693091773
>it's not real communism if it isn't MY special snowflake brand of communism!

>>693091660
Not the person you replied to, but capitalism has given you guys the highest incarceration rate in the world.
My, aren't profits great?

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>>693091435
I contributed, you just didn't like it. Manchild.

>>693092058
Kinda hard to keep your country lit up when the world refuses economic contact with you.

>>693091943
The U.S. is not capitalist. The U.S. is right now, today, a communist society. The government prints out "value vouchers" which have no intrinsic value. They distribute these welfare value vouchers to their friends and family first, after having meetings in a congressional hall, about who to give their value vouchers to. People line up to make a case about how much they're in need, and who ever's in the greatest need, gets rewarded the value vouchers. That's about as communist as it gets.

You don't get rewarded for doing good work--you get rewarded for physically being present at your job. You don't get rewarded for being financially sound--you get rewarded for crashing a business that the government relies on, so that they bail you out. You don't get rewarded for saving money--you get rewarded for printing out welfare value vouchers, that devalue the rest of the welfare value vouchers in the world by virtue of being printed as a fiat currency.

I don't know what kind of capitalism operates on a virtue of need instead of a virtue of ability. "Croney capitalism," I suppose.

>>693091909
no, it's not my special snowflake kind of communism; people usually know that communism and marx are somewhat related and that the critique of capitalism in the capital is the foundation of building a communist society; but if you agree to that, you must also agree that it has not yet been implemented, e.g. the soviet union was forced to be a state capitalist due to trade within a world that is built from capitalist state, thus enforcing capitalist dynamics on their people as well.

>>693092058
again, north korea is NOT a communist state. it is a stupid, socialistic dictatorship run by an inflated piece of shit, the people barely decide anything and there's a government... they even have money, which is impossible in a communist society rigorously following the ideas of marx.

>>693091943
No unchecked capitalism, over privatization and corruption have done this. And its still no where near the gulags or purges

>>693083012
Come to Scandinavia, we make Bernie Sanders look like a right wing liberal. And we're the happiest people in the best countries with the highest standard of living on the planet.

>>693091943
what does capitalism have to do with incarceration rates? would socialism end gang violence and crime?

>>693092128
you've just bragged about nothing and then added an ad hominem. If you pass this as a contribution then you arent old enough to be on this site.

>>693092307
North Korea refuses contact with every other country, get out of your echo chamber and look outside.

>>693092441
Nor is it near democratic socialism, so why are the communism arguments even being brought up?

>>693092441
and im this guy btw not one of the fucking retards
>>693089919

>>693091762
All right, I like startups too.
Your thoughts on CEOs who take control of already successful corporations? Whose jobs are to keep things going and not run them into the ground? Why don't you take a quick peek at the stock prices of any Fortune 100 company right now? A good half of them haven't been growing for the last year. The rest of them aren't that impressive either.
Can't wait for Uber IPO though.

>>693092558
>for profit
>capitalism
>for capitalism
>profit

>>693092558
>North Korea refuses contact with every other country, get out of your echo chamber and look outside
I guess if you believe every lie you've been told

>>693092665
then why do we send them foreign aid?

>>693092568
Yeha im not with those guys, im this one. Fuck anonymity sometimes>>693089919

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>>693092568
This. OP is a faggot for bringing up communism. Stop talking about communism.

>>693092805
So we look like nice good guys helping our poor sick little buddy.

>>693092904
I hear you then man. I respect proper disagreements and your opinion makes plenty sense.

That is why I like the mixed market economy in Canada, there is a bit of government involvement, even though people call us communists.

I seriously am hoping that your next leader just doesn't throw your country into the garbage, as your closest ally and neighbour. Best of luck to whomever you all elect.

>>693093070
How else is supposed to trigger everyone at the same time?

We are also going to be supporting our police and law enforcement -- we can never forget the great job they do.
I am also going to appoint great Supreme Court Justices.
Our country is going to start working again.
People are going to start working again.
Parents are going to start dreaming big for their children again – including parents in our inner cities.
Americans are going to start believing in the future or our country.
We are going to make America rich again.
We are going to make America safe again.
We are going to make America Great Again – and Great Again For EVERYONE.

>>693093079
so korea does have contact with the outer world and is still like the way it is

>>693093070
>>693092647
>>693092904
A few great people in this thread. I may not agree with you all but you make some amazing points and I accept them.
I am a canadafag who just wants a healthy balance between capitalism and socialism. Like our economy.

I know it probably isn't ideal, but what society is Utopia? Europe is in shit right now. You Americans have our backs with military and trading. We have your back with oil, water, lumber, and a shit ton more of resources.

There are parts of capitalism that are good. there are parts of socialism that are good. many countries and presidential candidates are trying to get a healthy medium of both.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_economy

>>693093204
I will not repeat myself

>>693093204
>derailing a thread talking about a fascist communist regime that has nothing to do with anything related to elections

Ignore this faggot, folks.

Aah Americans... It's honestly so amusing to see you discuss these dumb subjects... meanwhile im sitting in the best country in the world and laughing at your missing healthcare, your expensive as fuck college, and your retarded pc police

Lang lebi schwiiz !

>>693093707
>this communism has nothing to do with my communism

>>693093849
hows merkel and the migrants treating you?

>>693092558
>what does capitalism have to do with incarceration rates?

See GEO Group, Inc. and Correctional Services Corporation. Have you been living under a rock or have you actually been told that federal prisons are filled with gangsters and criminals?
I'm not calling business between two consenting adults criminal activity.

>Police stations get more funding based on convictions.
>10x easier to arrest Johnny Dealer on the corner than Scarface's righthand man.

>>693093849
Irish guy here lurking the thread.

This guy is just baiting.

Europe has gone to shite.

Although Germany and Ireland are two of the only somewhat stable countries in the region ATM

THANK FUCK REFUGEES DONT WANNA COME TO THE EMERALD ISLE

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>>693093849
>pc police

>>693093933
Americans once again proving their low IQ, by not even realizing what country I am talking about. Way to shoot yourself in the foot.

>>693083570
> democratically beat your wife
Well that explains why you don't understand. You don't know what the word even means.

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>>693083012
OP, that is sage advice

>>693093933
dub-dub-dub-dub-deluded

by your logic, an Aryan is the same as a Slav.

Y'know, because white people are all the same.

Get a job before 11th grade, you can buy a couple of books.

>>693093996
Haha you want to tell me how my country is doing? I really wonder what sort of shit news outlet is telling you that, sure lots of immigrants are coming, but atleast they arent shooting up gay bars where we live here. Honestly, we are in such a better situation right now, im dead sure its 200% then what you deal in the USA. We had free healthcare for centuries now. Ring a bell now?

>>693087290
Or... get this

I keep my money and you pay for that shit. You're going to make more money then me anyways right?

Fair is fucking fair, we can't all make 100k a year and I don't want to pay for some dumb fucks education because he thinks he's going to get a job in some retarded field.

Also to note, the more people in school the less people working... and the bulk of STEM jobs don't require a college degree (the bulk of STEM jobs is manufacturing which requires a fucking body standing there)

>>retarded entitled millenials are cancer

>>693094183
You are replying to an Irishfag who has never even been to the USA. Why attack me? I agree the USA is in shit lol.

But ok!

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>>693092435
can you fucking stop posting and kill yourself holy shit

>>693092558
Gosh, good to have proper adults like you around then.

>>693083012
God tier meme, but bernie is a kike, so is trump and shillary and pretty much everyone else

>>693086138
College won't put you into dept if you get into one of the many skilled trades that are in high demand right now, most trade businesses will pay for your schooling if you do half decent

>>693087391
>don't need electricians
>average age of electrician in my company is 55
>within 20 years a huge amount of the trade workforce is going to retire

>>693094883
Canadian who lives in Alberta.

Took electrician courses for less than 2k. Subsidized by the government too, and I didn't even need a nigger scholarship because I'm a fuckin white dude man!

On pace to make 90-110k per year. I'd be happy with it.

Sanders lived on a sofa for a while and paid less tax than some of the Conservative candidates.

The only thing I respect him for is that speech, standing up and talking infront of literally no one. No one wanted to hear what he had to say. Whether or not that is a BAD sign is besides the point, he's a brave guy.

But he's a Socialist, and I don't support Socialism in the least. He's a supporter of Black Lives Matter, and therefore a racial supremacist and race traitor. He's an outspoken SJW, and I feel that there will be racial, possibly even sexual wargames if this guy gets anywhere near a seat of power, and then begins inventing fictionalised social issues for himself that only more legislation and laws can fix.

And you can bet he won't want to live on a sofa anymore. And you can bet he'll declare just as little tax.

>>693095198
https://www.stormfront.org/forum/

let the adults talk, manchild.

>>693095113
Same here only around 2k for schooling, get my return for schooling costs. Makein bank without my license and will only make more as time goes on

>>693095267
Go fuck yourself, paedophile Socialist.

I'll say what I want, Socialist. You have nothing, fucking nothing to say to me to debate my points, other than to call me a man-child. You're fucking autistic, an autistic Socialist.

>>693095421
I'm not a socialist, I am just calling you out for acting like a little kid.

Which you are.

kek. You look so retarded right now.

>>693083012

You're retarded right?

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>>693083012

0/10 Bait Dude.

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>>693095421

This Anon has it right.

https://youtube com/sjHTO1bAjjg?t=2807

Sup with gun control with you guys nowadays anyways? People fighting to the death for guns still?

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>>693095532

No stop acting like a fucking ape and actually try to articulate, or do you posses the ability to do that you stupid fucking chimpanzee of a humanoid.

>>693095532
And that's why I've made valid points, and all you've done is essentially call me ugly.

Ugly =/= Wrong.

However, I can call you retarded, and an autistic Socialist because that is indeed how you are portraying yourself. You have nothing to say, but to call people names in an attempt to make yourself look better and elevate yourself. Typical Socialist SJW feminist tact. You should kill yourself.

>>693083012
as a weed dealer i urge everyone to vote against free weed. I'll hook you up.

>>693083012
Hi

I'm normal human being. Bernie supporters are always having opinions, but you want to know what else is also true? That's right, Trump supporters also have opinions. So really Trump supporters are just as bad as Bernie supporters.

Let's all agree that we have ideas on how best to run the country and chat it out in a civilized manner.... I mean seriously it's the current year.

>>693095710

>everyone who disagrees with me is a nigger

Not him, but Jesus, you look like a retard.

Normal people, have you noticed how Trump is actually having rallies? Why do you think this is acceptable? Bernie supporters are also holding rallies.

It's quite clear how important it is for us to talk about these things, politics is very important. Reme̙̘̰m̟ͅb̷̗̼̰è̲̠r͏̲͚̥̱͍̗ͅ ̰̝̠̰̺̼͢t͎͝o̦͓ l͚͕̩̞̩o͎̳̺̰̮ve ̵̥̫͖͍̝̗̻o͡u̦̦͈̜̞̥̥͢r͎͈̳͕ ͏̘̟̝̗g̛̖o͘d̻̼̙̬ ̶̱̱̘͈̼̭͈Ạ̯̻͔̲z̫̪̙͖̩̘e̪̜͜A̼̤e͎̞͘@̫̲̬̥̤d̮͕̣͕͘2̥͓̘̼̙̥̲͘{͉͚̝͜2̖͇͈̥͎3̷̣10̣̩̜̥-̧̺ͅ1͔̞̯̕2͇]̜̜[]̧̙2͍̬ ̛1̩̪̼̖̝'̹̳̜͙͓'̳̟̬͍͔;̻̞͍'̪͓̞̣̰ͅd͔͇̣͉̩͕;̯̣̲̱̤̤̣͠a'̛͕̗d̫a͜;͏̟̩̹̩t4k̟̜̣̗̯͙ļ̯͈30̰̮͕̼͍̭̬-̪̻̘ͅk̗̖̮͖

>>693095641
Probably because people should be entitled to a fucking TANK if they want one. State should have no say in it whatsoever.

Areas with the highest gun control have the highest gun violence, and you can't explain that shit.

Areas with predominantly high black populations always support Leftist policies, expecting more and more handouts, but actually just result in their communities just degrading over time. And you can't explain that shit.

Women, gays and minorities have more rights enshrined in government than an average man does, but we're the oppressors, and we're the Patriarchy. And you can't explain that shit.

>>693096013
Both Bernie and Trump have good points.

USA could a little isolationism, but Trump is also a faggot who denies climate change and wants to deregulate shit so we can have pollution like China.

Some of Bernies policies make sense, but he also preached a lot of bullshit like free college. It's not an investment, it's entitlement. An investment would be you taking a loan for your own future

Clinton can't be trusted for shit. She's indebted to too many lobbiests and will probably make some horrible decisions on their behalf.

>>693096591
I feel like Clinton's main point is "I could be first female president"

As an left-wing economics graduate who's smoked weed daily, I can say that they're entirely wrong. The legalisation is because it only effects [not affects] that person and personal choices should not be regulated.

Free college to educate everyone, enchaning the economy massively and providing relatively equal opportunity to acquire a meritocratic system that works best for all.

Not even hard mate. Anyone other than Jill n Sanders are fools.

>>693096574
I can: you're a fool.

Is o.p trump?

>>693097609
Awesome, more autistic name calling.

Bitches don't know about my government studies and actual facts.

>>693088277
I can't believe I'm replying to your post, but...

What are taxes?
I'll take "Simple Answers To Stupid Arguments" for $400, Alex.

>>693085065
Yeah democarcy is crazy fucked up. We should have total anarchy and then everything will work out because people will just do their best.

>>693097368
- And then there's THIS crazy fucking asshole, who thinks lowering the demand on education wouldn't affect its overall worth.

>>693083012
We in Europe are laughing at you so hard. Our social standards are so much higher.
Now you have Bernie, who is representing the majority of the population and is actually trying to close the huge gap between the rich and the poor just slightly . But all you do is voting for this bitch Hillary who only represents the richest 1 percent of the population.
And she just keeps playing the woman card.
Top kek

>>693096591
I'm pretty sure he means it's an investment of the country into your education. With the thought that well educated people will provide more for the state once they're part of the working population.

>>693098670
That is the dumbest fucking logic. So should we change for elementary school to get the best value? Only the rich need to be educated.

You a literally the poster child for better education in this country.