Ninjitsu.

Because. Ninja.

>>692787540
Just learn to box instead.

Martial arts are for pussies.
Check it out - boxers always kick the shit out of MAs.

You might as well study yoga.

>>692787540
Krav Manga or MMA. I did goshin jitsu for 6 years as a kid and i realise now later that it was a waste of time for the - most - part.

krav maga

>>692787855
I'm skinny as of now and don't want every one of my bones broken. Say I worked out and gained mass would I be shitted on every day still? If you had to choose one, MMA or Krav Maga, which would it be.

>>692787540
I used to do taekwondo and strongly recomend it if you can find a place that teaches the traditional way not the sporty karate bullshit. I liked it because it requires a lot of fittness, has a vast amount of techniques that can be used differently for different functions (blocks can become strikes n shit) and most importantly because of the level of lethality, once you grade to black belt they will teach you very strong techniques that you are not allowed to practice in sparring because you'll cause perminant damage. I found this very useful as i grew up in a rough town where fighting was custom in disagreements and i'm joining the army so yeah
Thats what and why.

Jkd

>>692788162
Depends what you think your up against. If your enemy is 3-10 niggers trying to pwn you in the street then i'd go for MMA probably. If its mostly one-on-one scenarios then krav manga.

Krav Maga is probably the best as for techniqes but MMA will build your mass better i'd guess.

>>692787540
Muay thai, all the effective techniques/strikes thrown into 1 package. Other than that, taekwondo american kickboxing or standard boxing is my recommendation

Learn to box, then get into MMA.

>>692787540
I've done karate for nearly 10 years now, and I've fought a lot of different guys from different styles. It honestly doesn't matter what martial art you do, all that matters is how much work you put into it.

Also if you're gonna choose, do Wing Chun, it's the martial art that flows the best

>>692787855
MMA doesnt work in the real world. There is a referee and rules in a cage but two average guys could easily mug an mma fighter as they do not do weapons training and will kick kicked to shit if they fall over (which they do a lot)
Krav magar would be though>>692788793

>>692787540
What do you want? More fitness or fighting skill?
A sport or a how to not get mugged lisence?

>>692788843
Sure, trust a jew to teach me how to fight

>>692788793
this. I've been in martial arts since age 6 and Wing Chun is one that I'm just getting into at the age of 28. Sadly I didn't realize how amazing it was until now. But as long as you push yourself it really doesn't matter what martial arts you choose.

>>692789054
Doesnt change the fact that MMA doesnt work in the real world

>>692788843
Obviously has no clue of real martial arts...

BJJ

It's the only one proven to work.

>TKD blackbelt of 6 years
>really good
>state champ and shit
>went to BJJ gym
>thought I was tough
>guys training for 6 months beat my ass
>sign up same day
>train for a long time
>BJJ is best

jiu jitsu or muay thai - coz boxing aint a martial art

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>>692789173
Also proof, timestamp is old and I'm not getting up to make a new one

>>692788843
In the real world you don't fight a thug with a knife, you give him your stuff.

>>692789143
True, it's shit

>>692789014
Fitness and fighting, and how to not get mugged license.

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>>692787540
I recommend Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu to you, OP.

It chanded my life, made me more confident, more aware of my body, made me really stronger and healthier.

BJJ destroys your ego and it's a great douchebag filter, so most people you'll meet are nice and helpfull.

Also after few years of figting you won't be dumber and dumber because no one hits you on the head.

Pros:
- low damage/injury risk
- you're putting in literally every musce into it
- cool and helpfull people attending
- you're overall conditioning will go up like crazy
- will do wonders for your mindset

Cons:
- useless against 3 or more opponents
- you will need to buy GI
- every inch of body will hurt in first 3 months
- if you're big ego guy you will be put in your place very often

>>692789145
Dude i got two black belts in taekwondo and was always in fights at school, i was regarded as one of the toughest black belts and was often told to instruct students although i wasnt the highest grade there, i know what i'm talking about. Let me guess you did sumo wrestling in primary school?

>>692789379
>- if you're big ego guy you will be put in your place very often

I'm the TKD/BJJ fag and this is very true and very hilarious

>>692789237
No you fight the cunt unless your a bitch who wants to lose their wallet

>>692789551
Well at least graduate high school first.

>>692789071
i'm no expert on the subject, but from what i've seen wing chun is useful to people that already know how to fight. trying to use only wing chun will more than likely get you wrecked by anyone with any other fighting style.

sauce: a few fights i've seen where some wing chun badass gets his shit pushed in without much effort. i'm sure if you dig around on YT you'll find them

>>692789331
Do something asian, i always suggest taekwondo because that's my field but aikido can be very useful if ou fight a good training centre i always advise against karate because its for kids and kungfu is just chinese boxing but yeah find a good place in your area (and always go to the toilet before training)

>>692789776
That's the same problem, inexperienced people or people who don't give it their all tarnish the reputation of the martial art as a whole. It's fucking logic, if you can't fight, don't fight.

>>692789742
K lol

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>>692789507
Yeah and I love it since I am jolly, nice guy.

I was doing Muay Thai for 2 years, gym was full of pricks who are there with their faces saying "I'm gonna kill you all faggots,, - even if they can't do anything.

On BJJ I went helpfull and nice people, who with a blink of an eye can snap into beasts with all their BJJ knowledge.

Also, I lost 14kgs in 1 year just by training BJJ.

This if you have the time >>692787661 otherwise >>692787855 , just make sure you don't choose karate or any meme-tier "martial arts".

>>692789656
He's right you know

Op here, these are really helpful answers and I appreciate it. Right now leaning to Krav Maga, or BJJ. But I always thought the fluid movements of Asian sports were something to be awed at. I will do one of those after I learn BJJ or Krav. Anyone by chance in the Detroit area?

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>>692787714
>being this retarded

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>>692790308
Nah bro sorry, I would be happy to introduce you to BJJ but I'm from Poland, so pretty far.

>>692790200
Proper karate isn't bad, it's just these retards who think they know karate but learned themselves at a fucking McDojo are essentially tricking people out of their money.

>>692790308
Do whatever seems most fun to you m8. Treat it like a sport.

>>692790308

Watch Jacare roll for flow and then talk about fluid movements.

BJJ is love...

BJJ is life...

OSS

>>692789776
Not trying to be a faggot, but if you don't have the spirit to fight then it makes no difference what style you learn. Most people you see in those "XYZ MASTER KTFO" videos are going into a fight thinking they are the best fighter around and the results are predictable. If you're unprepared for a curveball you'll get struck out. Most martial artists that I know move from one art to another over the years and this helps them to become well rounded fighters. I just feel like Wing Chun would be a good base to start from as opposed to other forms.

>>692790248
BJJ doesnt work when you are in a self defence situation, never has. Its too slow, predictable to the trained eye (people trained in literally anything) rules of the sport say you cant punch or kick the head which is what works in the real world. From my experience as soon as someone feels the sting of a cut and sees there own blood they usually give up the attack as the feel they have lost control. Control of course is always no more than an illusion and real martial arts suchas krav maga, aikido and taekwondo teach you this.

>>692790426
google
boxer vs martial arts

only retard is some who thinks MA is good for anything other than exercise.

>>692788344
lol

Krav
Bjj
Muy Thai

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>>692790635
Amen to that, I never practiced karate but you're right man.

I'm training BJJ myself, I once rolled with karate guy, he was fierce even on the ground, also he knew a few chokes with GI.

Also, them kicks right in the jaw.

I imagine if 2-3 nignogs will jump you on the street and you greet the nearest one with kick in the jaw and put him to sleep, all the others will run, or pull out a knife - then you should run.

Weapons are shit, I would always get the fuck away from a fight when someone got a gun/knife. Only if I am in the corner or they are about to hurt my friend I would jump in, other way it's always smarter to just run.

I'd consider muay thai, boxing, judo, or san da if I really wanted to know how to fight.

I'd probably do xingyiquan or kendo for something I found interesting.

Kyokushin is both good for fighting and interesting, though, so if I get the opportunity I should probably do that.

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>>692789656
>tells me i'm bullshit and not to listen
>gives essentially same advice
Well done.

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>>692790745
Have you seen the professional boxer James Toney getting his ass choked out by the professional MMA fighter Randy Couture? Go watch it.

>>692790635
>I watched karate kid and this shit is awesome
karate is probably one of the worst martial arts for self defense. Not saying it's terrible, I'm just saying there are many better options.

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>>692790701
OSS! my friend

Also OP, BJJ have nice throws. Try BJJ-throwing a nigger on the concrete like on pic, fight is over before it started.

>>692787714
That 18th century english attitude. Didn't work too well.

>>692787540
Just dont do judo or jew jitsu
It doesnt work and if you ask anyone trained in and other martial art they can tell you exactly why.

>>692787540
Wing chun because of my size and because i'm a pussy who doesn't like to hurt people.

Kung Fu

Seems fun to learn and efficient

>>692787540
Kansas Kwan Ki Do
Striking, grappling, handguns, carpet knives, and walking canes.
It is hard to find anyone that knows it though. A guy created it in the 80's after spending his life learning different martial arts and working as a police officer and body guard.

>>692790995
you literally have no idea what you're talking about. Kyokushin is a style of karate, and it's one of the most effective striking martial arts in the world. In Japanese MMA, a lot of people have kyokushin as their main striking style instead of muay thai.

>>692790995
Not quite, everyone in that movie was pretty bad at karate. I'll admit that Kung Fu is better, but otherwise all martial arts are really the same. Technique doesn't actually matter, all you need is reflexes, the knowledge of the best places to hit and some practice

wing chun cuz i rekt yo all

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>>692790745
There ya go, usually that how BOXER (White guy) vs BJJ (braz-nig) goes:

https://youtu.be/g2UDJ1GCE44?t=2m46s

>>692791341
>this
Judo and ju jitsu dont count

>>692790742
and to affirm what the BJJ guys are saying, their art is solid. Ground game like to other, and if you can take a street fight to the ground and maintain control you're (usually) golden.

Krav is an Israeli martial arts with the goal of killing an enemy combatant, or at least maiming them to the point where they can't do anything else to harm you. Brutal stuff.

I've got both BJJ and Krav (albiet only a year of "crash courses" from an instructor friend of mine) and I can only say that they add to my playbook in a very beneficial way. More styles = a greater ability to respond to a variety of situations

>2016
>Choosing martial arts
> Not choosing gun kata

>>692791255
"kung fu" is just a catch all term for any Chinese martial art. Some styles, like san da, are indeed efficient. Some, like choy lee fut, are effective if trained in properly, but are sub par compared to martial arts with more active training. Some, like performance wushu, are actually completely useless. Some, like tai chi, may have been used for self defense at some point in history, but are now just done for recreational exercise.

>>692787540
IPSC

>>692791506
Yep definitely, I dont even know how they're considered martial arts

>>692788344
>and i'm joining the army
good luck buddy, you're about to realize what taekwondo is used for

>DS. Friendly fucking your day up with a leg lock

>>692791568
>wushu
>useless
wHAT?

>>692788372
>wut is no style

>>692791397
>>692790745
You're both literally retarded. Grapplers destroy strikers. Boxers aren't trained to stop take downs, and once they're on the ground, they're helpless against anyone who knows judo, BJJ, or Greco-Roman wrestling. Boxing is one of the best striking martial arts, but you're literally retarded if you think it just destroys everything.
Also, while boxers are infinitely better punchers than muay thai fighters, muay thai fighters have the obvious upper hand because they use elbows, knees, and kicks as well

>>692791568
Isn't the story behind tai chi that it was invented so the warlords wouldn't notice that they were doing martial arts training? I'm also pretty sure that tai chi is meant to be done as well as kung fu, not by itself

ITF Taekwondo. Not WTF Taekwondo.

You will learn how to fight. Heaps of sparring.

That's if you want to go the traditional martial arts route. Other than that I would suggest BJJ and do both gi and no gi.

If you want to learn to simply fight and defend yourself, go with boxing/muay thai.

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>>692791835
Dude I think you missed the part when I said that grappler (bjj) will always win with striker (boxer), and uploaded a movie where boxer got owned by bjj guy to back up what I said.

>>692792214
ah... so I did... never mind bud

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>>692791530
This.

Equilibrium was a shit movie, but the gun katas are awesome.

>>692791726
You know how many defences there are against leg locks in taekwondo? We laughed everytime a white belt would pull some stupid shit like that

>>692787540
karate
軍鶏, Shamo

>>692792524
And yet you still haven't enlisted. Make sure to your Drill Sgt hi for me, we were probably battle buddies in the sandbox. And make sure to tell them ALL about your training, they love to hear those kind of stories ;)

>>692791966
I've never heard that but it seems suspect. You could be right though, who knows. Some styles of tai chi are more forceful and violent than others - Chen style Tai Chi has lots of obvious strikes, while Yang style Tai Chi is the slow moving one most people are used to seeing. When you actually see the applications of tai chi you can see it is basically a grappling style, and if you do sticking hands with a good tai chi practitioner it's disorienting how much they can dominate. Nowadays tai chi is certainly used to compliment other martial arts, but historically it seems to have been a stand alone martial art. It's interesting to compare it to other "internal" Chinese martial arts, like Baguazhang, which has the same slow, meditative practice, but strongly resembles both judo and aikido.

Still, at this point the exercise component is so strongly emphasized, that I don't think any modern day tai chi practitioners would even consider trying to use it against, say, an MMA fighter.

>>692792808
I have an enlistment date set, thanks buddy
You know you dont much martial art in the army for one simple reason... Guns.

>>692792476
Equilibrium is the best movie.

>>692793016
lol as soon as you enter the army you're going to learn what you just said is complete bullshit.

You do know that a number of martial arts were literally developed for military use, right? Krav Maga was developed by the Israeli military. ITF Tae Kwon Do was used by the South Korean military until its founder had a falling out with the South Korean government. American troops get training in MMA or BJJ. I'd be really surprised if Thai soldiers didn't train in muay thai.

>>692793016
There's a reason they're called MARTIAL arts

krav maga
i dunno why, but seems interesting and powerfull haha

>>692793016
Thats completely obvious dude. Thats the first thing you're taught in combatives. "First person to win in unarmed combat in a firefight is the one whos buddy shows up first". The point is that you'll get wrecked by anyone worth their salt when it comes to combatives if all you've got is TKD, but go have fun. It'll be a good lesson for you.

>>692793366
I'm gonna be cavalry, i dont need to know how to fist fight because i will be shooting people not jelly wrestling them but like i said i have two black belts in taekwondo and trained directly under a master for over a year so i'm good. What are you doing with your life sorry?

>>692793366
see
>>692793745

you're both right. martial arts and military go hand in hand, but they are rarely used in a firefight.

>>692793745
All you've got? Haha dude just no XD

>>692788843
"Krav Maga is the best huuur duuuur"

see : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j55d8uqvKDQ

ITT: Faggot guidos who walk around in Tapout shirts all day and think MMA is more than gay porn with a referee.

Aikido is the only correct answer here.

>but muh arm bar
>muh choke holds

There's a reason MMA fights have so many rules during the fights.

>99% men rolling around on the ground hugging each other
>1% punching with some occasional blood

>>692793553

No it's not. If you really want to learn how to fight, choose a sport with real sparring, loke boxing or MMA. You never really practice with Krav Maga, every move is scripted.

Krav Maga, JKD, Combat Sambo, SCARS, KAPAP, Budo Taijutsu, Defendu, Systema, anything based in real world self defense with modern weapons.

>>692793912
>seriously using "XD"
>2016
just go tell your DS about your shitty martial arts experience already and learn your place. ask them to record it for me and send it to 173rd airborne 5th battalion C company 3rd platoon. thanks.

>>692794087
>gay porn with a referee
spit out my coffee

>>692793916
It truely depends on who is the better fighter is, just because a man has been a banker for 20 years doesnt mean he's the best banker,most of the time just means his old.

>>692794087
Aikido ? kek.
Aikido is not a real "Martial" Art.

Here is the martial arts forum. Everyone who posts there trains MMA. I have been for 14 years. Come join us.

>>>/sp/69200220

>>692794178
I wish I could get amused so easily.

>>692794157
So you like parachutes?
Let me guess graduated top of your class in the navy seals over 300 confirmed kills? Or were you talking about COD again?

>>692794332
let's raid, folks

I actually fap to mixed grappling/mixed mma videos. I love it when the girl straddles them and lays on top of them. I also love being choked. How can you watch mixed grappling and not stroke your cock until it bleeds?

>>692793296
Equilibrium is life

>>692794415
Reported.

>>692787540
Judo, BJJ and Boxing or Kickboxing.

>>692794332
>Everyone who posts there trains MMA
Truth.

Everyone who posts on /g/ is a hacker
Everyone who posts on /fit/ is a fitness expert
Everyone who posts on /pol/ is a capitalist
Everyone who posts on /x/ has personally captured a ghost at one point

When are you losers going to get that no one of value comes to 4chan? Everyone comes here to pretend they're not so fucking pathetic.

>>692794208

A MMA practicer is used to real sparring, with real punch in his head while a Krav Maga practicer only study the theory. In a real street fight, I would bet every time on a boxer, even if he's only a begginner.

>>692794403
I never said I was anything other than a member of a certain unit, fuck off kid.

>>692794087
The only Aikido demonstration I've ever seen was at a school sporting event. Some old guy threw people around that ran at him and they clearly weren't really trying to accomplish anything or hurt him. It was basically like watching someone go "play dead" over and over.

>>692794776
>saw the Steven Seagal video
>That's how Aikido works
Anon, look up someone named Feriz for real demonstrations. Not that pompous overweight prick. He is a joke among the Aikido community.

>>692787714
theres a lot to what you said, but like everything on this planet, it depends.

Boxing is better than all non contact martial arts training, or those that lack randori. its the body to body contact that really puts boxing over the top of many arts.

but judo is different. try it, you will be pleasantly surprised!

>>692794654
Yeah this makes sense but best practice it going to a black neighbourhood and shouting 'nigger' but i still say sports are too soft. Doing taekwondo i must admit i found how much of it works in theory and nothing else from school yard fights but there were Mma kids my age and similar figure and i used to kick their asses so stick that in your dick lick it

>>692795007

Aikido is not effective at all. Get over it.

>>692794661
I love pissing off guys like you
If your telling the truth i respect that i got nothing against soldiers come on its 4chan so go vote for trump and lay down some suppressing fire cunt

>>692795449

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>>692795299
Yeah, being able to control someone's movements and use them against them isn't effective at all.

Grappling and rolling around on the mat in a dry hump session though... that's where it's at.

>>692789459
not the other guy, but i kinda doubt it commando cody

>>692789459
>taekwondo
Oh come on now.

Taekwondo is a meme. It's made just to sucker parents into giving old people money so they can spend all day with kids in robes.

>>692795844
I mean honestly, have you ever seen those Taekwondo classes and ever seen adults in them? It's always kids. They sign their kids up so they can drop the little shits off for a week.

Krav maga for self defense
Aikido for the philosophy

chronic lyme tho, can only do some tai chi and hatha yoga on my own for exercise

>>692789859
i second aikido, i've been studying it off and on for years now, (3rd kyu) and its practical if your dojo does randori and works on more atemi (jabs) than just the three stupid strikes. in other words, just like everyone else on here that has done it, your dojo and instructor with have way more impact than the style.

>>692795700

A MMA practicer has 2 option :

Being a stricker, meaning he's more effective in boxing, kick boxing, or being a grappler, meaning he will try to go to the ground.

The "grappling and rolling" is only 50% of MMA training.

While you're busy playing with you pyjamas with scrypted movement, I'm busy sparring with real hit and strike, and yes, sometimes with grappling and rolling on the mat in a dry hump session.

But, in real life, my punch would be more effective than you dancing moove.

>>692796152
Autism: The post

>>692791116
also the downside is you are going to jail and court. big problem for judo / bjj / jj guys

that said, there is no better work out than judo. i love it. but i would need to be in a life or death situation before i fired off an o soto gari

You need conditioning as your primary goal, skill as your secondary. You are starting late, you are going to have a disadvantage what ever you pick.

I have a martial art called a gun. It seems to be pretty effective.

>>692789173
>>692789229
traded one shit sport martial art for a slightly better one. Also almost every video or article i have watch/read talking about BJJ masters fighting other style masters and winning is bullshit. For example Gracie says he wins this fight...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pwMnKNNuDM

>>692796061
Yeah there's some of that around in every activity, so what?
Might be the only time in their lives they get to do something a little bit tough or complex.
Adults don't have much time for martial arts and in the east being a grownup into fighting is seen as weird and perverted. It better be making you tons of money, because they see it as a few steps up from porn actor.

>>692787540
Ninjutsu, shits been used by Japanese special forces for thousands of years, literally unbeatable

>>692796483
Yeah, too bad they'll never get to use it since they're not allowed off the island. If CQC soldiers ever invade Japan though... look out.

>>692796282
go on ?

What's the best martial art for drowning people? My friends and I wrestle in the water and spend a lot of time in the lake. I love holding people down underwater until they violently thrash. It's my fetish. My gf and I broke up last month because I laid on top of her and wouldn't let her up. She went unconscious, told everyone later I tried to kill her and won't talk to me anymore.

Wing Chun has been around for a long time, longer than newer styles that still have kinks to be worked out. I'd look into that.

I've done karate, boxed, and done jiu-jitsu. It's a good combo.

>>692796891
...what the fuck am I reading?

>>692794776
yes, the demonstrations suck. in fact all the top end stuff is strictly for gibbering it up with other old guys. but if you learn ikkyo, nikkyo and sankkyo you have yourself a great time turning the tables on an attacker. but it takes time, most schools take forever about rank and some places promote your rank without promoting your belt so you stay a white belt even after years and promotion. it can be disconcerting to novice martial artists.

>>692796891
Play water polo. They practically fight in the water and have to wrestle with each other. It's pretty close to what you're doing.

>>692787714
Moron

Has anyone tried Keysi? It's what was used in the batman movies

>>692797338
>It's what was used in the batman movies
Yes along with millions of dollars of gadgets and if you didn't notice, he got his ass kicked a lot.

>>692795299
it depends on what you want to do and what you think a fight is.

if you are working security and need to deal with drunks or rowdy hotel guests without blasting them thru the floor, then there is none better. i used it effectively for years, was only interviewed by the cops once and never wound up in court.

it you want to fight in the ufc, go study karate and judo.

>>692787714
>only reason to train martial arts is to "kick the shit" out of people.

Wow. You sound so tough. I'm impressed.

>>692797476
Can confirm as a past bouncer, I would have much rather had the knowledge to throw people out without taking a fight to a ground level.

Also, for those who want to do any kind of security or bouncing, you will quickly learn that women are the absolute fucking worst drunks to break up in a fight. Men have a one track mind and usually don't turn on you. Women don't give a fuck what's around them or who they hurt when they're mad at someone.

Fucking spoiled college kids and their shitty tolerance levels. Why can't everyone just come in, sip on some whiskey and talk about how their life didn't go as planned?

>>692797476
This.
I know an aikido instructor who's about 5 foot 5 and he can handle anyone on earth. He's a walking library of all these tricks, holds and small joint manipulations but mainly he's so secure and steady in the head he stops fights starting just by being a great person. Works in security.
Steven Seagal is a fake and his characters in movies are all cunts.

>>692791116
>BJJ
>throw

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>Boxing - For the standing start of the fight.
then
>Wrestling - Because the ground is where every serious fight ends up.
then
>Judo - So you can learn how to put a motherfucker on his back.

>>692797981
>Steven Seagal is a fake and his characters in movies are all cunts.
I fucking hate this guy and how everyone associates Aikido with him.

He's a blowhard who thinks he's God himself. He opened a dojo in Japan to throw around manlets and only stars in movies he can write himself. He wasn't so tough when the mafia shook him down.

>>692798134
>the ground is where every serious fight ends up.
If you let it, sure.

>>692787540
i have practiced both Karate and Muay Thai, both are really fun, but i would recommend Muay Thai.

>>692798186
okay mr super internet tough guy, go back to using the satsui no hado kaioken x10 to beat them bitches up you obnoxious cunt

>>692792813
Ever see the movie "Man of T'ai Chi"?

Damn, I didn't realize /b/ was jam packed full of seasoned veteran fighters and tough guys. All this time I thought it was mostly underage spergs and people with no life so they came here to make themselves believe they had one.

I was wrong.

>>692797981
have you guys heard about him hitting his stunt men in the balls to check if they were wearing cups? he is a bully and if you see his earlier films, doesn't do much aikido.

>>692798692
He also drove a tank through someone's house as a cop, killed a ton of chickens and then went on TV to say "I just hate people who abuse animals."

>>692787540

If you want to be a badass then learn some Jeet Kun Do, it's often overlooked, but it's really good.

If you want self defense then do Krav, it's bullshit for martial arts, but really good for self defense.

if you want to compete, the laziest, most stoner friendly one is BJJ, also the lease painful, but potentially the most painful.

If you just want to get fit and learn a thing or two about fucking people up, do some boxing.

Other than cost, there's no reason you can't do all of them

>>692798134
do you guys know why many fights "go to the ground" ?

its usually two untrained drunk douche bags who don't know how to fight slap-punching each other on a slippery beer soaked floor so they won't look bad in front of their douche like girl.

they slip, they roll around, in comes security.

ergo, in the retell they go to the ground. but almost never by intent.

>>692787855
MMA is not a style it is retards with no real experience learning a few punches

>>692791121

Boxing is one of the most enduring, effective martial arts known.

>>692799027
No, having sex with fat women is.

>>692799024

6months of mma and I wrecked 3 guys who did Aikido for 15 years minimum.

>>692798196
ok, this is not OP but why not karate? you are not the first person to say this either.

Aikido - might actually learn something

Whatever it's called when you just grab people and start headbutting them or bodychecking them into a wall or picking them up and slamming them into the pavement. Because that's the kind of shit I do, and I've never lost a fight. I've never even been in a fight that went longer then a few seconds.

>>692798568
i think its just the same 5 people talking to each other with a half dozen teen trolls. it feels like last night's gun talk.

>>692787540
learn russian systema, you can be a fat cunt and still destroy highly trained fighters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PKfW2R6x_E.

>>692799162
Kek-ed out my coffee. good show old chap!

>>692799478

demonstrations always look amazing, show us videos of it actually being used.

>>692799478
I think being russian alone is enough. They're all fucking crazy.

>>692799478
so its aikido with good atemi (jabs)? punching people in the solar plexus is a great shot but you may be talking to johnny law afterwards.

incidentally, it would make security work 10 times more exciting if brawling was done by trained brawlers. mostly its just filling out daly activity reports and walking chicks to their cars.

>>692799642
they are all ex spetznaz, this is how they actually fight in hand to hand, trust me if it gets used on you it fucking sucks.

>>692800046

cool story, but show me an actual application of it.

>>692799237


learn how to lose a fight

>>692799642
this is more of that O sensei shit, and why aikido needs randori. the higher up you go, the easier it is to convince yourself of some superman level bullshit.

but i still love aikido.

I'm starting my 2nd year of MMA, and it's honestly changed my life. What I've learned is mostly Gracie/BJJ Jiu Jitsu, Judo, and kick boxing. I'm more confident around girls, and not scared of those huge kids who walk around acting tough. TL;DR, Jiu Jitsu is great against bigger and stronger people, I highly recommend it.

I'm starting my 2nd year of MMA, and it's honestly changed my life. What I've learned is mostly Gracie/BJJ Jiu Jitsu, Judo, and kick boxing. I'm more confident around girls, and not scared of those huge kids who walk around acting tough. TL;DR, Jiu Jitsu is great against bigger and stronger people, I highly recommend it..

>>692800122
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFzNkA9-BwU

>>692800419
>>692800310
I too enjoy the taste of men's tongues in my mouth.

>>692800122
Or, OR, learn situational awareness, learn to discard your ego, learn that attacks can come from multiple opponents, learn 3 incredibly useful counter grapples that can be converted to either throws if its desperate or pins to put handcuffs on someone.

and wear sexy white pajamas while doing it!

The best is Viet Vo Dao

>>692800419
fucking awesome! thats what its all about man. keep going and don't let these wanna be tough guys discourage you.

>>692787540
Always been fond of the balance and hand speed of Wing Chun. Thats what i'd pick up.

>>692800451

oh look, another demonstration.

>>692800535
aikido is as effective as tai chi, get over it, move on and stop wasting your life.

if however you gain some spiritual centering or something from it, then keep at it, but don't fool yourself into thinking it actually works.

Reading all your comments. There are a lot of contradictions. Let easy this: suppose you are out on the street and 3 guys try to jump you. No warning. There are no rules. There are no standards. Just brutality. Which discipline will help you win?

>>692787540
Jujutsu probably. It seems like a good balance between throws, holds, kicks and punches.

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Currently I'm a brown belt in JuJitsu and often practice Jeet Kun Do and KeySi fighting method, all are very fast-paced, high impact martial arts and are very effective to your opponent/enemy. Inspiration to do so: Son Goku from Dragon Ball Z

>>692801256
but i have used it for a long time now, and it works. not tons of fights, and it can't be used in ufc but it is an effective way to deal with aggressive drunks while staying out of jail or court.

what do YOU think fighting is?

>>692801525
if 3 guys jump you, you make your peace with god.

no amount of hand to hand will stop a co-ordinated ambush against 3 to 1 odds.

>>692787540
Alpha Combat. It's the best. Looking forward to what other /b/tards say about Alpha

>>692801525
Krav Maga

>>692799224
Because Muay Thai is a lot easier to get into, and you can start with the fun stuff right away, from my experience in Karate, i started having actual fun practicing it after reaching the third brown belt, but that's just me.

fun fact #1

olympic judokas prioritize strength training and cardio fitness over further technique.

Get a blackbelt in Niggertiebo

Helps you defeat the Hangman

>Source; iam black

>>692788793
Well I used to train MMA at a Gym in Germany where Wing Tsun guys showed up a couple of times per week to do sparring. Even their master was so bad that he got is ass kicked by middle class MMA guys. Wing Tsun/Chun is shit and doesn't work

>>692787540
go to Uganda,
every one there knows kung fu

>>692801778

fighting is fighting, aikido is fighting without hurting, i.e. how to lose.

judo, aikido and a lot of jujutsu is derived from the same selections of old school japanese stuff, Ueshiba, Kano etc took what the wanted and made them suitable for the purpose they intended.

The key difference between Ueshiba and the others is that he incorporated his own personal religious beliefs into his form, which drastically reduced the effectiveness of the techniques in any practical sense.

It's why shodokan aikido exists, and it's why their practitioners have to gimp their contests to prevent them from using Judo, an actual effective form.

If you're truly honest with yourself you'll be able to admit you've never seen the techniques used in a real world situation.

>>692802009
thanks, I've always wanted to pick up karate, just never had the chance.

so is it all Japanese arts that are this slow to teach and learn?

i only have experience in aikido and judo. judo was randori every session but it was faster than aikido in so many ways.

Judo if you plan on learning something that legitimately helps you out in combat without causing any legal issues.

Boxing or muay thai if you want to fuck people up without fear of the law. Take this advice from someone that's practiced judo, karate and boxing for a good couple of years each. Most of the stuff posted in this thread is for clowns or people who plan on getting shot in the parking lot, with the exception of krav maga, that gets your ass whooped instead.

>>692802531

They're slow because the orignal forms they're based on were dangerous to practise, which is why they have kata to begin with.

You learn basics and focus on kata and over time you refine your technique with light sparring.

Boxing and muay thai are demonstrably effective because they had to be. There is no room for bullshit in combat sports. If you have no interest in sports, you can still learn without getting battered around in sparring.


the law can be odd, but as a general rule of thumb, if someone attacks you, or you think they're going to, you can use reasonable force. Which translates as you can drop someone, but you can't put them in hospital.

>>692802531
aikido is really slow, i have tried out a lot of martial arts, but the ones i trained the most are muay thai and Karate. The most fun i have had was training with bō, and doing muay.but if you are interested in it you should absolutely try out Karate, i practiced it for 7 years. And if you start with Karate, dont be afraid to go to competitions even if you have a very low belt, you learn a lot and have lots of fun. You will also gain insane overall body strength from Karate, i have never trained weight lifting or any of that sort, and i still bench more than the people who go to the gym everyday thanks the martial arts lol.

>>692802675
I think that judo is more of a second art, you do that after an initial art is covered but judo is shit on its own and wont work

>>692803377

judo is effective, but it depends on the traininig. Like all asian martial arts it depends on where you go and what type you're doing.

One Jap Jujitsu place might have some grappling but focus on striking, another might focus entirely on grappling from standing.

Others are more competitive sports focused, which others are more about milking money out of students and try to keeping them going for years without learning much.

>>692802428
ok so you don't know fighting, thanks for your opinion.

allow me to enlighten the rest of the folks

fighting comes in three flavors, sport, art and combat which has two subsections, self defense and lethal hand to hand. you can use the same skill set but you better know what you are doing and why you are doing it. fighting is not fighting, you throw someone on cement because he insulted your mom and your ass is going to jail. likewise you throw a kick to someones head, boom, right in jail.

i have used ikkyo and sankyo very effectively for a long time. me, not a video, not a movie. me

it doesn't matter what o sensei said or did, it doesn't matter the rules, if someone grabs my collar, i got their thumb. and thats all you need.

Trang Do
http://youtu.be/WZ2J0_499UY

>>692803873

Fighting comes in two flavours, fighting and bullshit.

If you want to wear a skirt and do cartwheels when sensi looks at you, you go right ahead. If you want to learn to actually fight, regardless of reason, do anything other than aikido.

hell, even ninjitsu can have effective techniques (because they stole them from karate and judo)

so bottom line, learn judo.

>>692804167
yup, you have never been in a fight

Krav or Muay Thai.
Also Japanese JJ or BJJ.

>>692788344
>Taekwondo 30 years ago before the bullshit and ATA

Yeah, pretty good times.

I wouldn´t recommend it now though.

>>692802675
What do you mean Krav Maga gets your ass whooped? I was thinking of taking it for self-defense. Sounds like you would recommend boxing or Muay Thai instead. Is that correct?

>>692804754

not that guy, but I know a bit about krav.

They get a bit of a rep because people, including the guys to go to it, are told it's the isreali special forces stuff. It's not, it's a civilian grade self defense class.

In a one hour class, half your time will be cardio, the other half techniques. It won't be effective in a one on one fight with a skilled dude, because that isn't what it's for.

Its for getting you out of shitty situations. So lets of mental preparation, geared to helping you keep your wits about you instead of flapping and panicking when the adrenaline kicks in.

what to do when/approched by

>knife weilding mugger
>gun weilding mugger
>group of thugs
>being choked
>attacked from behind
>etc

They work as well as anything can, and you're always told the first thing to do is run, if you can't, then try something.

My favourite thing was when they get you to lie on the ground while the class circles you and kicks the shit out of you and you have to fight your way out of it.

Judo
/Thread

I make KravMaga and i enjoy it a lot, it's for personal defense and it's really good. But you get really fucking tired at the end of the training, but it's worth it!

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>>692805290
"what to do when/approched by

>knife weilding mugger
>gun weilding mugger
>group of thugs
>being choked
>attacked from behind
>etc"

yeah, try any of that shit in those demonstrations in real life and you will either get shot or stabbed, dumbass.

you're a neanderthal if you think you can defend yourself unarmed against someone with a gun or a knife and get away with it.

>>692804754
also he said judo won't land you in trouble with the law.

judo is incredibly effective but remember you are throwing an untrained opponent into the cement. at best you are causing a concussion.

>>692788162
MMA is a sport. Krav Maga is all about inflicting as much damage as possible.
I would go MMA. And if you stick with it, you may also compete.

>>692805642

probably, but it's better than nothing, and plenty of jewfags swear it's true.

You know what jews are like, they want to get their shekels worth.

>>692787540
ju jitsu ant tai chi because you can subdue/avoid fights with people without harming them

>>692805642
>yeah, try any of that shit in those demonstrations in real life and you will either get shot or stabbed, dumbass.
>you're a neanderthal if you think you can defend yourself unarmed against someone with a gun or a knife and get away with it.
b-b-but senpai! In movies all these tricks works!

>>692805742
but the only flaw with mma is that it assumes a single opponent. it is the best at dueling, but it is dueling. please be careful

>>692805290
>My favourite thing was when they get you to lie on the ground while the class circles you and kicks the shit out of you and you have to fight your way out of it.

Most of the unarmed defense shit won't work, but this sounds like a good time.

>>692787540
Leave Maga fag here.

Krav maga is literally the only practical one in this day and age aside from BJJ

Anything else is just for cultural tradition, and if you don't already know one, I'm going to guess its not part of your culture.

>>692787540
Learn multiple styles as every situation is different. The people who you go against might also have training.

Wing chun or shaolin

how about Krav Maga?

>>692788793
> wing chun.

you might as well do pilates

You have to ask yourself if you want to invest in a striking martial art or a grappling martial art. Karate and Taekwondo schools are the most common eastern striking martial art schools to find but they are pretty much geared towards children. Proper striking doesn't take that long to learn anyways, so I'd recommend taking a few boxing/ karate/ taekwondo classes to learn proper striking form. After that I'd honestly invest in a soft style that involves joint manupliation. Aikido, kung fur, hapkido all are hard to find, but are very potent(which is why they are banned from the maa) if that doesn't appeal to you try krav maga or muay thai, they are very good striking hards that can save you in a pinch.

>>692806497

at least it has some punching, unlike fag kwon do

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>>692806670
You ready for me to grape you with this Kung fur?

>>692806677
Kicking is way more powerful and effective than punching, you can also keep a safe distance due to increased range. Granted taekwondo is treated like a sport now and is poor against a trained fighter or someone with a weapon.

>>692807011
kicking is also WAY more likely to seriously injure your opponent, and getting you arrested or sued. i keep harping on this because there is nothing worse than going to jail for a fight you did not start.

i do boxing because in a street fight i dont want to get someone in a choke hold. i just wanna beat their face in.

OP, what is around you? if something is available in your town close by you are more likely to stick with it, regardless of style or "street value"

>>692807216

better to let them kick your ass.

>>692807216
If you're in a situation where you have the choice to walk away from a fight then that's aways the first option. If you're getting kidnapped then it doesn't really matter at that point what will get in the most legal trouble, your life is on the line.

>>692787540
Wing Chun

anything but teakwondo, that shit is just fancy kicks in empty air.

>>692807661
>>692807591

but really, is someone fucking kidnapping you?

or is it some drunk douche talking shit? because i have seen a ton of the second, and no kidnappings.

better not to get in the fight.

>>692807309
wow, that was incredibly honest.

>>692794654

This isn't true at all. Lots of Krav gyms spar regularly. Yeah sure, you don't get to gouge eachother's eyes out, but you do get the fighting experience.

>>692808016

ofc it's better not to get in a fight, but sometimes you really don't have a choice.

I'd rather learn something proven to be effective than some flashy bullshit that looks cool in videos but ends up being utterly useless irl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXIBi_lszsg

>>692787540
Origami.

I'm a blue belt in a certain style of jiu jitsu that focuses on defending yourself and others in streetfights and stuff (Durewall jiu jitsu). Been doing it for almost 8 years now. It's pretty cool, learning how to to techniques against weapons and firearms up close. You can't compete in it because the style only focuses on real life situations. Mixed opinions about that though

>>692808969
Soduko

All these faggots think of when they consider martial arts is whipping someone's ass. Try using it to cultivate yourself into a better person. Not someone who is going to strike a fancy pose before some asshole shoots you in the face in a dark alley.

>Also Wing chun

>>692808962
yeah, joe rogan talking about sports again. fun, but he should have talked to a bouncer or a cop about the effectiveness of their defensive tactics which are in large part based on aikido.

irl, there are beer bottles, chairs, guys with "secret knives", bouncers, cops, duplicitous girlfriends, you get the picture.

i know that ikkyo and sankyo are effective because i have used them as a doorman. and i am not a huge guy either. its not terribly hard to adapt an overhead strike defense to one against a beer bottle. or a side of the neck strike to a drunken, badly aimed version of a straight right.

at its core, aikido is not flashy or complicated. and everyone goes home at the end of the night.

>>692810446

none of them use aikido

any Shoalin style and wing chun along with aikido will beat all, I've been practicing northern shaolin and wing chun since i was 7 and aikido for some years now, they're effective styles that compliment eachother well

My crush's boyfriend recommended tai chi

>>692810693
quiet troll, the adults are talking!

>>692806215
you sir know your shit

>>692787540
wushu because of a movie a i saw

>>692811004
i boxed when i was a teenager. then i got into Northern Shaolin.
Shaolin, particularly northern forms look fucking sick when you do them. and theres pretty sweet applications if you have a good sifu

>>692787540

Krav Maga or Ninjitsu

Both are perfect choices for self-defense, and Ninjitsu's ninja stuff is cool if you're into that kind of thing

If your not into the whole philosophical aspect, aren't trying to level up your self into a better person, just want to do it for self defense or want to be capable of kicking someones ass just go for something that has no spritual roots. Most asian martial arts have zen/chan budhistic roots and being able to fight isn't the most important reason these martial arts exist. I could give a more detailed explanation, but nahh. Short: they are more an active way to spiritual and physical awareness. I did Shorin-ryu Karate for a decade and probably won't be able to win a street fight with it. But it made me become a more sincere, hard working and self confident person. If you're looking some way to just win a fight try some combat systems, which were made for practical reasons like krav maga, Philipine MA (e.g. escrima), and combat systems used for sports like boxing.

>>692811696

I loved dressing up in black pajamas and throwing ninja stars....when I was a child.


>>692811178
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJhsd_eVbyM

>>692787540
Capoeira