>>691528499
Who will be operating all these tanks helis and drones?

>>691528499
do you think fighter jets never land and refuel, rearm etc. tanks don't need gas...

Might as well go down swingin'.

But I'm not one of those nuts who think the government is going to go all Hunger Games on us. My AR is more for home defense. And just cuz I wanted one and had the money.

Which is why the middle east is totally peaceful since US intervention. Right.

>>691528660
the soldiers that are conditioned to not give a fuck anyways shitlord

>>691528660
The US military wants to make the next series of jets autonomous.

>>691528499
A civies can't take on the military. Not in this age.

>>691528660
The government who ruins everything.
That is who we must protect ourselves from.

>>691528499
You need police for a police state you stupid cunt. good luck enacting a police state with 300M armed citizens.

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>The enemy cannot push a button if you disable his hand.
>Would you like to know more?

>>691528499
must be retard night.

lol hello we've been fighting the war on terror for how many years now? against people who are armed with less. spent 6 years active army... our military will crumble the moment you start a war on home soil

>implying the government would use this shit against its own citizens and risk totally destroying their international reputation

>>691528499
>>What is Vietnam

>>691528737
I lived in stockton, at one point the police force basically gave up on patrolling and it was the wild west, told my wife that I either wanted to get a gun or move, I got a 30-30 from my grandpa and we moved.

>>691528499
it's more about the face they will have to kill people armed with guns like an AR, and it's not totally easy to enslave them.

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>>691528919
All it would take is a manufactured virus.

Some of you fags have absolutely no idea how much power the ruling elite has.

The battle is lost. It has been for a long, long time.

>>691528751

/thread

And I'm even on the side for more gun legislation.

If it comes to it, it won't be the military - sure, most of those guys are douche bags, but they're also mostly patriots, and I don't think they'd fire on their own countrymen. It'll be the departments. If you have a little free time, see if you can figure out why the Department of Education is buying up weapons and ammunition. And they're not the only ones, nor even the least likely ones to be arming themselves.

>>691528499
If rifles are useless against all those things the military has, then why are goatfuckers in the middle east giving the military such a hard time?

>>691528499
I know right?

Why even bother?

We should just give our guns away and vote hillary!

>>691529101

The international reputation of being a violent monster who just can't control itself?

>>691528499
but if the gays ever riot, it's proven its worth!

>>691529693
Kek.

>>691528919
gonna be scared when those 70-80 year olds and the 1-4 year olds come to kills me

>>691529436
Because the US sent "moderate rebels" awesome weapons to fight al Assad in Syria. Those "moderate rebels" turned out to be the not so moderate ISIS. With weapons that were across the board better than what we left the Iraq police with, they easily ran a muck. They then began selling Iraqi oil to find their war effort, and bought more shit from God knows who, but probably the CIA in some round around 6 degrees to Kevin bacon kind of way.

veitnam retard

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>>691528499
It might be nice if the sentiment were true, right?

We would have won the North of the Korean peninsula, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan would be stable. We probably would have taken Iran too if it were easy.

For good or ill asymmetric warfare is a bitch.

Maybe someday mini drones will see all and know all and deliver deadly poison to any dissenters.

Until then insurgencies are a thing.

>>691528499
An army of 100 million people who are scattered across the states would have the advantage. On top of all the soldiers that refuse to follow orders to kill civilians. It would be easy to take out the leaders.

>>691529245
not being a conspiracyfag or anything, but they've done fucked up shit like that before

>>691528880
100 million civies with a trillion rounds of ammo can.

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>>691528499
> totes give up, bruh
*sigh*
Let's see how anti-whatever you are when Trump gets here and rips your welfare check away.

And just in case you double as a sjw, you're never going to get $15/hr working at that coffee shop

>>691530220
>as if a whopping two percent of that number is going to join a domestic terrorist cause...

>>691528499
You think there putting a missle or tank round into each and every house? Most would be door to door type of confrontations.

>>691529664
sure and the violent monster that finally turns on its own people would have consequences on its allies and opens up opportunity for enemies

>>691528660
This is a good point. Which makes me ask why you need a gun if our military and police are going to be on your side in this fight? If we really need more people, won't they be happy to recruit you and give you one?

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>Implying that small arms resistance is not a thing
>Implying that government with large military powers haven't been over through before
>Impying Egypt was not a think
>Implying that people can resist large and powerful governments in rural areas
>Implying that ISIS and Al'Qaeda are not a thing.

Your bait is almost as weak as your will anon. I cant want for you to fall victim to your hubris.

>>691528499
Good thing I bypassed the 15 and built my own 10's

>>691528499
Are you somehow implying that America would violate the terms of theGeneva Convention against its own people? Because I'm pretty sure that NATO would intervene and Allied powers would rip America apart for doing that. Are you also somehow implying that the military (aka mostly a bunch of 19 year old kids) would take up arms against their friends, family, and neighbors just because they were told to do so? Most of them aren't even given loaded rifles because they can't handle the stress and pressure of taking a human life. A civilian population already armed with the same means as the military is a civilian population that can be much more easily trained by awol military personnel to fight back against what would probably be a very small military force still desperately clinging to an already crippled government infrastructure.

>>691528499
Yeah, that's why we won Vietnam and Afghanistan.

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Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?

>>691528499
yeah guys lets make things illegal bc a massively small percent of people do bad things with them. lets ban cars when muslims start running people over. all those awful gun stats you read about are mostly niggers anyway. i say we ban niggers

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>>691529245
We've lost, yeah. Corporations own our government, bought and paid for. The takeover already happened and they did it without firing a shot. You gun fags need to get to work if you're serious about overthrowing the tyrannical government, cuz the shit already hit the fan and you gunfags slept through it or something.

>>691530591 yeah fuck welfare the only viable way of getting money is from giant inheritance cash given to you :D

>>691528880
You don't need to kill them. just have enough people die the a General decides to stop killing his countrymen and stages a coup. Still a revolution would be nothing but a major setback for democracy. It's better if it never gets to that point.

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OP you stupid faggot you think the military is just gonna spend million dollar equipment to take out your puny self, bitch a nobody can litterally barge into your liberal hipster house and put down your worthless ass with a $5 pocket knife while your getting fucked in the ass by your shemale girlfriend.
>>>tumbler

>>691531714
Don't underestimate the determination of a general. Their job is to get things done, and they will do everything in their power to do so, even if it means bombing a few towns.

>>691528880
Sure we can, ragheads fuck our military up all the time. Oh, they die a lot too, but it's not nothing.

>>691529104
No one wanted to fight that war, we had no idea what the land was like and what the conditions were in that country. Vs American soil that is clearly mapped out on Google maps. Pretty sure that Americans who answered 60% correctly about gun control test and have only 50 hours of actual training/shooting and then gun was put in a safe in the basement of their home for "muh protecion". Vs actually trained military.

>>691528499
The people who post these cancer threads are the same people who brag that the USA hasn't won a war since ww2. And why is that? Because every country we have fought used guerrilla tactics. Anyone who has never served should stfu about this kind of stuff. Because they are ignorant college fags who don't deserve to live when they speak about this stuff.

>>691530220
>against drones
>against war ships
>against satellite coordination

Wtf is wrong with you?

>>691530600
Nigga, are you not American? We're all domestic terrorists here; at least that's what the Government thinks.

>>691530220
It doesn't matter how many of you you think there are or how much ammo you have. A single carpet run can level entire towns, rendering the overwhelming majority of you homeless, without food, and in massive debt when everything settles. I doubt anyone except white trash cares enough about their guns to put their and their families' livelihood on the line.

>>691528499
You don't need to shoot those things, only need to shoot the people operating those things.

>>691532291
All of which require people to run them, just kill the people.

>>691532291
Wtf do these people know about war? What do they even know about drones? Or satellites? Like really?

>>691528499
OP makes our point by demonstrating that we dont have weapons equality with the tyrannical government.

>>691531112
>2016
>first world country

Fucking pathetic you're even discussing this.

>>691532593
This !

>>691529867
Minimum 50 million retired military veterans in the country, many combat veterans, many retired officers, majority still young enough to fight, all able to train potential insurgents, and more than enough guns in civilian hands to arm every single one of them with tens of millions to spare.

>>691528499
if it were that easy why didn't the US military just nuke Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq back to the stone age?

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>>691528499
Yeah because the US government is going to be sending an Apache to raid a townhouse. That would go over really well.

I like how being liberal requires that you are willingly ignorant of modern warfare and basic economics.

>>691532471
>Just kill them.
That is the most intelligent idea I have ever heard, why has no one ever thought of that? You should be a general.

>>691528499
When they come after you with those, half the country will be in a state of civil war and insurgency. That rifle is the one incentive keeping that keeps them reconsidering if it'll be worth it.

>>691529436
Because we can easily kill people but that is ineffective against people who are willing to die. And the more Father's and brothers we kill the more support Isis will have.

>>691530600
Even if just 1% of all armed americans joins the resistance, in the event that a resistance forms, it would still outnumber the military 7:1

>>691532471
How did that work out for the islamists in Afghanistan and Iraq trying to kill soldiers in bases? They all had assault rifles. If my memory serves me, they're all dead.

>>691532844
I should, you fucking commie.

>>691532258
It also had a lot to do with the American military being arrogant as shit when it came to dealing with a bunch of gooks in pajamas and not having any clear goal like 'take ground, take town, move on'.

Fighting against your own people would be much harder. Despite what people say about the military, it's hardly a South American dictatorship. If you want to bring up 'muh rights' then you'd be sure to find a lot of those same opinions within the ranks themselves. Even if there are some deluded nutjobs in the higher ranks they can't fight a civil war by themselves.

Powerful armies in the past have made huge mistakes underestimating 'weak' foes which has lead to catastrophic and humiliating defeats. History repeats if you don't learn from it.

>>691532790
>Hurr hurr everyone fights for my cause.

Yea, well we have a minimum of 50 million retired military veterans in the country, many combat veterans, many retired officers, majority still young enough to fight, all able to train potential insurgents, and more than enough guns in civilian hands to arm every single one of them with tens of millions to spare.

>>691532915
>no understanding of modern warfare

Anyone who does not think that even a few thousand armed USA militiamen could take down the whole system is fucking stupid as shit......

Whos gonna bomb the shit out of their own country?

>>691533204
And their own people en mass. Like fr

The government can't get into an iPhone without whining. What makes you think they would fire on their own citizens.

>>691533204
The US? Like the civil war?

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>>691532189
Ragheads are safe from all out attack because the government can't risk public backlash and losing the next election. Both those issues are gone in a civil war.

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Also fucking starved vietnamese and korean farmers with shitty broken up cheap gear beat the US military by hiding in holes. The US was already forced to inscript underage kids to obligatory military service and leave behind thousands of POW's with its tail between its legs mind you.

>>691532977
>If my memory serves me, they're all dead.

OKAY GUYS
THERE ARE NO MORE ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS ANYMORE

THEY'RE ALL DEAD

WE KILLED THEM

>>691533312
Like those faggots who occupied the goverment buildings and got fucking shot.

>>691532854
>That rifle is the one incentive keeping that keeps them reconsidering if it'll be worth it.
yeah, let's just ignore the UN and the fact that by basically turning into a tyrannical/authoritarian government overnight would be political suicide and any other sane Nation would simply not allow it.

>>691533478
Like that one faggot who bought some fertilizer and leveled and entire building.

>>691533204
>>691533286
If someone is threatening to kill you, you're not just going to let them. Rebellions like the one OP stated need to be quelled quickly otherwise they'd get out of hand.

Rather lose a million gun nuts than hurt the military, ya know?

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>>691528499
FOR ALL YOU STUPID UNDERFAGS

>>691528499
the right to bare arms was supposed to encompass all types of weapons, and vehicles.

hence why it doesn't specify guns.

but americans are dumber than dumb and i even hear, they enjoy it up the ass. so when their corrupt government fucks them. they don't care aside from the odd chimpout here and there.

>>691530591
The face of that guy on the right fills me with hate

>>691533477
Theres loads left, just most of them gave up after seeing it was useless. You fucking dumb cunt.

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>>691528499
Merica best armed citizens in the world because of access to guns. We should be the safest nation in the world right.

ITT People who have no concept of history.

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>>691528499
>shill

>>691528800
dude do you polish your tin foil hat as well?

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>>691528499
A bunch of fucking towelheads with 30 year old AK - 47's and 30 year old Toyota Pick up trucks are beating us in a war that has been dragging on for 15 years.

Yeah, tell me more about how the government is SOOOO competent and all powerful...

>>691533587
They could fight back all they want. But hurting civilians is only going to escalate and inevitably the gov would lose. Like totally. It happens everytime.

>>691532189
Our ROE's were fucking bullshit. It's not that we couldn't kill them, it's that we weren't allowed to kill them because the faggots dressed like civilians. The U.S. doesn't need more baby-killer publicity.

>>691528880

What is, ISIS, Al Qaeda, Daesh, FSA, PKK, YPG,Taliban, boko haram..etc.?

South Asia and north Africa are literally packed with non state sponsored fighting forces that are successfully challenging the authority and sovereignty of nation states and world superpowers alike. There are even other non nation-state groups organizing themselves to combat other non nation state groups...because the state backed groups are fucking up so bad.

The rifle is the claw and the fang of any man willing to stand for their own. Is it a match for a cruise missile? No. But it forces larger powers to make a risk reward assessment. How many bombed out neighborhoods does it take to stamp out a resistance? How many bombed out neighborhoods can a state afford before it no longer can exist as a state?

That is the power of a rifle. So fuck off.

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>>691528880
That's why we won the Iraq war so easily, right?

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>>691533527
Let's not pretend the UN are actually willing to do anything to intervene other than imposing sanctions. It's all they ever do.

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You guys are fucking stupid.

>>691530969
so isis has there share of weebs as well dont think i dont see that nippon steel you fucking faggots

>>691533613
Word your post less literally then, fagshitter.

>>691533590
>>691533653
>>691533741
>>691533833
>>691533877
This.

>>691528499
Taliban, and other Jihadists still fight us. Vietcong defeated us with just farmers. Can't barely hold onto Afghanistan without a massive death toll.

Point being, they may have the military and powerful weapons but wars are won by the determined men not it's weapons.

And even if it did happen,it's not the military we'd be afraid of. It's their Massive Mercenary groups. Which actually get's paid enough to not give a god damn about anything.

>>691533312
The jarheads can kill their own bretheren, what they can't do is protect their own families from what the bretheren is gonna do to them.

>>691529436
First of all, those people have rocket launchers, not just semi auto AR-15s.
Second, the force that is in the middle east is a tiny fraction of total American military power.

>>691528499
Of course the government would slaughter us


But it's not about "winning". The government doesn't want to have a civil war where they have to slaughter their own people. Thus if we threaten an uprising, they'll have to consider listening so that it doesn't come down to mass slaughter.

>>691534007
Implying that every single United States solider would turn their guns on members of their own country.

>>691528499
you're pretty stupid, OP.

a hundred men with AR-15s can seize control of a town hall. what is the government going to do, bomb the town hall?

and what happens when that happens in 10 towns across a state at the same time? and the police start siding with the militia(and in many cases ARE the militia) and the military has rogue generals from the same town and whose brothers and cousins are among the so called "under gunned" militia?


fucking retards have no idea about war.

>>691533811

ROEs are what separate us from our enemy, friend. They target civilians as a matter of strategy, we do our best to avoid it. It's tough, sure, and painfully so when you have a mission or an objective, and you know you can achieve it. But the alternative is to literally do the same thing the enemy does. That's not a win.

>>691534007
And now? They got old soviet rocket launchers. But look how many people are in the military and how many would desert of the time will come. Many won't kill people they knwo because of orders they recieve. They will take their equipment and being it to the resistance.

>>691528499
People who say this also believe that Iraq was a lose only conflict.

>>691534093
Then it is the defectors that will do the fighting.
The safest bet against tyranny is a military that is loyal to the people, not having shitty civilian rifles.

>>691531112
I don't think there would be any NATO resistance. They would not stick out their necks for us.

>>691534117
>a hundred men with AR-15s can seize control of a town hall
oh no where am i going to get my building permit to install a toilet now

>>691534117
>and the police start siding with the militia(and in many cases ARE the militia) and the military has rogue generals from the same town and whose brothers and cousins are among the so called "under gunned" militia?

But they won't so....

>>691533784
See this
>>691533388

>>691534117
Keep living in your fantasy world bro. This is not a video game retard. Your love for guns killed more innocent people than it has protected in the entire history of the US. Fact.

Now go sit in the corner and don't come back until you've found a brain.

>implying there wouldn't be massive desertation if soldiers were ordered to kill their fellow countrymen
>implying korean/vietnam/gulf/aghanistan/iraq veterans wouldn't be able to take command of groups of rebels
>implying the soldiers that don't desert would have the command structure to form any form of coordinated offensive strategy
>implying deserters wouldn't use all that hardware against those who ordered them to kill fellow americans
>implying the government doesn't know how a civil war would go down nowadays
>implying the government would effectively commit suicide by ordering it's own military to fight its own people

Fuck you people are stupid.

>>691529095
not to mention how much of the military would defect to the other side.

>>691534322
Oh really. They would get more backlash when they would do the shit they do and use over there here. What the fuck do you think they use?

>>691534071
no, the government wouldn't. first off, the government is made of the people. the government would in many cases have to use mercenaries. and what would happen when the mercenaries from god knows where start going around raping people in the towns?

and what happened when the government is so fucked that they go bankrupt?

civil war is never so simple as the person with the biggest guns and most technology wins. civil war is totally different than that. and what happens when the government dispatches a train with supplies and guerrillas start blowing up the train tracks and runways?

you guys are not well educated about war.

>>691530811
Hello Switzerland

>>691528499

When the (inevitably socialist) government does use those jets and nukes against its own civilians, the armed forces will realise tyranny is here and there'll be a junta within a half hour.

The only true argument you can make about the military having bigger guns than their citizens is the nuke. Its what kept the people scared durinf the cold war and has been so till the present. But dropping nukes willy-nilly is gonna fuck up evrything for everyone, so the real question is how much is a tyrannical ruler willing to sacrfice to have his way with the people.

>>691533896
Fuck even ISIS have a car I need a truck something like that this picture lowered my self steem I need some pussy magnet.
Also what Currency does ISIS use ? .....

>>691528499
You can not occupy with drones, tanks, missiles and jets
You can only occupy with boots on the ground
Unless they plan on destroying their own country, they can and would submit if a substantial civil uprising came about

>>691532122
Revolution is almost always achieved via military coup. I'm not saying it wouldn't be awful.

>>691534254
A single shot rifle is far more accurate therefore much more deadly than anything automatic.

>>691528499
If your so certain of victory, why take my guns at all

>>691533877
This guy doesn't give the afghans enough credit

They learned how to do this shit in the 80s against the soviets. They'd capture rockets from storehouses and without a platform to fire them from, they'd just rest them on rocks and rig them up with wiring.

>>691534206
It's not fair, man. We have people dying out there because command wants to look pretty.

>>691534368
what fantasy world? this is real life. fantasy world is thinking that a government would have the capability to control a national uprising of armed citizens, they won't.

saying I don't have brain? i actually know history. and i don't even have a gun, i am just speaking facts to you. this is how it is.

>>691528959
Top kek

>>691533590
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>>691533877
>>> READ THIS HERE YOU STUPID FAGS. <<<

>>691534374
totally agree. glad people get it.

>>691528880
>vietnam

>>691534479

Also, this is why they want hordes of non-English-speaking mudslimes, niggers & assorted spics flooding in. They have no patriotism & actively hate white, god-fearing patriotic real Americans. They want these hordes to go into the Army and various other branches of civil service. So when the time comes for their tyranny, they'll have their own foreign army to do their bidding who have been completely insulated from anything American and don't know word 1 of the Constitution.

>>691530600
>terrorist
>using buzzwords I don't know the actual definition to
>not knowing the difference between terrorists and an insurgency

>>691528499
>Yeah guys, it's a good thing we have our AR-15s to protect us from drone strikes, thomahawk missiles, and fighter jets.


Tell it to the Afgans

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>>691528499
Op is the retard that surpassed metalgear

>>691533141
>the irony of that statement

>>691533811
ROE Afghanistan circa 2011
They can have a weapon, point it at you.
IF they shoot you can shoot back
IF the weapon is dropped the fight is over.
IF the "Battle Bus" comes into the firefight, they can take any injured party.
The battle bus was a shitty medic van from the Khandahar hospital.

>>691528499
They've been talking for years. Still haven't seen any signs of a revolution, just bullshit "Soon..." like that creepy fucker everyone knows but doesn't want to associate with.

What a lot of people don't understand. Is there was a significant rebellion to the point you could say that the US military would bring out heavy ordinance, a lot of other states would likely turncoat

>>691534546
Sure, but there's a reason that military rifles are select fire.
There are situations where full auto is very useful.
Like inside buildings, for example.

>>691528499
Rather die with my ar in my hands than as a cuck slave

"Guys in black pajamas stopped a whole division with tanks and shit?"
"Guys in black pajamas didn't do too bad in Vietnam either...you gotta respect the pajama"

>>691534939
A single JDAM can wipe out a city block full of people.
Numbers don't matter against superior technology of this kind.

>>691535144
Nobody likes war you spaz. People are not quick to assisst others in need when they have even the slimest possibility of making it out on top. Thing is ppl are fucked over 1 by one by loan sharks and joblessness, they are vilified by the media at a daily basis, and the herd of sheep will never shoot back even if at an advantage.

>>691535270
you have 1 person with a bold action rifle that could hold a town hostage for hours in some cases. it all depends on the circumstances. but the simple fact of the matter is people who do uprising are generally LESS anxious to kill than the government they are up against. and this gives them public favor. what if you uncle or brother or nephew of just some people you know from work or school started getting rounded up and killed by the government? Obviously this is horrifying and would create even greater unrest. an armed public is not violent, they are exercise their right to assume authority.

each person should be like a nation unto themselves. they work(industry), have their own territory and their own defenses(they are armed).

>>691535572
Yea, okay.

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>>691528499
hey faggot OP, it's a good thing our government has drone strikes, tomahawk missiles, and fighter jets, so when we fight a bunch of backwards arabs who only use ak47s and homemade bombs, we beat them fast and our war doesnt last an ongoing 12 years...

>>691535144
revolutions are a part of history. really they are a standard fact of life. so whether your ego can accept it or not is of no consequence. revolution and war is a fact of life.

to put it simple. it IS coming. like it or not.

The American military will NEVER go against its own people.

>>691535922
>to put it simple. it IS coming. like it or not.
Sure, just try to do it in this lifetime.

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>>691528499
Government detonates a nuclear weapon in the van Allen belt surrounding earth blasting the northern hemisphere with charged particles instantly frying any electronic devices that are in a direct line of sight with detonation. COD players know this as a EMP. Top professionals in the government estimate 90% casualty rate within 36 months due to mass starvation, disease, lack of medical supplies and so on.

Good thing you have that chunk of steel to protect us from such an event

>>691535781
Sure. A person with a bolt action rifle can be a threat.
That's called a sniper.
American military doctrine states that you kill snipers by either calling in air support or artillery on the location of the sniper.
Obviously, in a regular scenario, they wouldn't do this.
In a war, they would.

>>691528499
The US Military would never EVER kill Americans. They aren't mindless you fucking cuck.

>>691533031
Hit the nail on the fucking head. I can tell you more than 75% of my company would not support a war against fellow Americans. Most of them are pretty anti fucking Obama and pro gun, and would gladly assist in a coupe against a government that would seek to disarm its citizens by force. People some to forget that we are apart of their communities and that we all have family and friends that we would back before the orders of some old fart general.

>>691531316
Bingo. WW3 already happened and it was "fought" with legalized scams and computer power. Why "fight" a war with armed citizens when you can just distract them and enact policies and systems that get you what you want?

Bigger guns or drones or missiles won't protect you from the government and the moneyed elites hatching "legal agreements" and "trade agreements" that fuck you over all the same. Think about what is "won" without even picking up a gun today. When someone points a gun at you, you can name them and name the the threat. If someone bamboozles you without you understanding what you even lost, you're fucked.

>unlawful killing machine that must be restricted from civilian hands
>impotent toy compared to real guns
pick one.

>>691536069
>COD players know this as a EMP.
holy shit my fucking sides. please kill yourself you tin foiled cuck

>>691528499
>the government is going to send fucking Tomahawk missiles at my house

s u r e j a n

>>691531112
That would happen regardless of if we had civilians with assault rifles or not.

>>691528660
A whole lot of gays and coming up next month, a whole lot of trannys.

>>691535963
20 years ago I thought that the American people would never be dumb enough to vote for a socialist... Times change.

>>691533388
No the problem is that unless you kill everyone you have to somehow make children not want to kill you.

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>>691535963
Cops are awfully eager to pepper spay, beat up, and elctroshock you before putting you in a cell with convicted murderers though.

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>>691535963
Never.

>>691533971
No retort. My argument stands.

>>691528499


As someone on Voat said, "the military is made up of citizens."

>>691528499
terrorists have aks... they've been a 15+ year problem

>>691532344
This.

>>691528499
>posts things which all need humans to operate and/or resupply
>Posts 3/4 things which can be destroyed with small arms fire

>>691528800

There is a huge difference between shooting someone from a different country where people are actively trying to kill you and shooting American citizens...

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>>691535963
tell that to south carolina.

>implying you're good enough for the government to waste a Tomahawk on your ass

>Yeah guys, it's a good thing we have our AR-15s to protect us from drone strikes, thomahawk missiles, and fighter jets.

Yeah, they sure pacified the Iraqi insurgents, the Afghani Taliban, and the Islamic State. OP is clearly not a veteran.

There are very few fighter jets. Our Air Force is not designed for counterinsurgency on a large scale and it can't put birds in the air everywhere 24-7. All CONUS bases are vulnerable. In a revolution there are always soft targets, and the military itself would be divided. The amount of US armored fighting vehicles in all our services couldn't secure the US even if they brought back all the Cold War era mothballed vehicles at Camp Shelby. There are many places tracks and tanks cannot go. It takes far less to stop an MRAP then pick off whatever ZOG forces tried to escape.

what you dipshits dont understand is the military would not fire on its own citizens. they are all Americans themselves. its to protect yourself from the people that would try to do something like this aka the police. they are the only shitbags in the countryt that genuinely enjoy shooting americans. the only force that we would ever need to protect ourselves from is the police force. and to be honest most of them would probably defect anyway.

>>691530969
>>Impying Egypt was not a think
>I cant want for you to fall victim to your hubris

you can't english either, can you?

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>>691536069
>COD

>>691536155
That's the thing about organizations like this. A lot of people seem to think of them as monolithic and autonomous beings, incapable of infighting. I think a lot of it stems from media, which either portrays the government and military as completely incompetent and in need of saving, or omnipotent and omniscient.

It doesn't occur to them that if the order was given to fire on the people they are charged with protecting that there would be many soldiers who would flat out refuse and may even rebel. Many military institutions have an 'honour' to uphold and the quickest way to lose it is to fire on civilians, which is even worse when they are your own people.

In America, it's probably the easiest way to have two fights on your hands.

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>>691536135
Yep.
Glad to hear it.

>>691533204
This applies regardless of whether the citizens are armed

Ar stands for armilte riflle.. After the company who designed it

>>691531941
This anon is angry and confused, and quite possibly illiterate. Definitely autistic

>>691537229
Sherman shall march again if you don't quit being flag fags.

>>691533477
There numbers are decreasing, or at least they were before we pulled out. Assault rifles just prolonged the inevitable

>>691528499

There's many valid reasons to own an AR-15. But you are correct, overthrowing teh gubernet isn't one of them.

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Finally, a reason to post this

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>>691536453
>>691535963
Lincoln ordered the biggest massacre of american citizens in over 200 years of history. Giving power to industrialization at the north and taking out the slave competition without due compensation for the farmlands. A crude war were amputees were commonplace and eating maggot ridden bread was a good meal. Most condecorated president in history.

>>691528499
That's like saying the second amendment has been 95% obliterated, c'mon, what's 5 more percent?

Yes, the original reasoning behind the second amendment was that civilians could have similar arms of the government (assuming they could afford them), they could also asimilate into armed militias that would effectively be as strong (or stronger), than their own government to keep away tyranny. Now since we've all consented to defense spending that's about half of our tax dollars (about 20% of every person's income in the US), and we've restricted arms, this government has grown more tyrannical with every right we've been willing to concede (or were negligent enough to let go of).

But still, we may own guns.... not similar munitions as the government, mind you, but enough to defend ourselves and make ourselves a political force to be reckoned with if they try to strip us of our last freedoms.....

Yes, we should be able to make militias, own tanks, own fighter jets.... yes, the world would be a better place if more people were armed.

You ever notice that those terrorists don't assault government buildings? Any one wanna guess why?

>>691528499
There is weak spots on those vehicles and rockets/missiles in that image

>The tank
Shooting the optics, viewports, barrel, tracks, and whoever sticks out to cool off from being in a hot vehicle
>Drone
Body, wings, engine, the camera that allows you to see when operating it, fuel tank
>Helicopter
Rotors, fuel tank, the armament

>Missiles/rockets
Fins, sensor and or guidance system (if those are missiles), fuel storage, hydrolic system that angles the missiles/rockets

>>691528499
Vietnam held out against against the American military. It would be a similar situation. It would be possible for the American people to win, even if the Americans in the military obeyed orders completely.

It would frustrate any military effort. Not just a potential tyrannical government but potential foreign invaders.

>>691537229
>civil war.
try to conjure up in your tiny mind a situation where this would happen again in America?

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>>691536754
to be fair, they only tend to do that when "the people" are being faggots.

>>691537571
>possible.
you mean inevitable. do you understand how many Americans with guns there are.

>>691536884
Google Kent State massacre you dumb fucking millennial autist. If you are not a millennial, i apologize, you're just an ignorant mongoloid

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>Find out who the soldiers are that haven't yet defected to the rebellion if shit ever hits the fan
>Kill their families if they don't surrender
>Same with treasonous politicians

Fighting them directly would be stupid, you gotta hit them where it counts

>>691535477
>A single JDAM can wipe out a city block full of people.

Not a New York city block or anything near it. Have some Mark 84 and stop exaggerating.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_84_bomb

Troop dispersion does matter. Don't pack together within the blast radius. JDAMs are just "smart 2000 pounders", not magic. When the enemy kills innocents trying to get you, that's a bonus for the movement. Dispersed insurgency doesn't play to the high tech opponents strengths, it takes advantage of that technological strait jacker.

This game has been played before. It's being played now in Syria.

>>691531714
>implying we have a democracy now.

>>691537524
topkek

>>691533815
That's the power of the rifle when the attackers are trying to avoid civilian casualties

>>691537524
YOU'RE BREAKING MY IMMERSION!

>>691528660
Just look at ANY country where there is a civil war. 99% of you will bow down to the government, and continue driving the tanks and jets, while 1% of the population, the inbred rednecks, will be shooting with everything they've got, while wearing pants that show their ass and caps that can only shield the sun at most. Don't ever think you've got a capable militia that would ever become organized.

>>691537634
It's getting closer every day. The two political parties do nothing but defy the will of the electorate. No one I know wants endless war, yet both parties are for it... No one I know wants the federal reserve, both parties are for it. No one I know wants limitless surveillance... etc.

Granted, it may be a more subtle type of change than all out war, but it *would* be a revolution. It could be as simple as many huge companies stopping paying taxes because the American political class is not acting in a way that represents the people.

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>>691537330
You misunderstand.
I only support the South rising, so they can be put down again, this time properly.

No more faggotry like Hayes v Tilden.

>>691534117
>what's the government going to do, bomb the town hall?

That's exactly what they'll fucking do

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>>691531113
we didnt win vietnam boi

>>691537783
>implying the NRA is run by 'the people' and isn't the lobby arm of gun manufacturers

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>>691538166
my sides.

>>691534254
/thread

>>691537918
>implying the constitutional republic of the united states of america has ever been a democracy.

>>691538201
This faggot is a faggot, and he doesn't even know it. Just submit to your new black master race, why do you care if you're being watched by anyone, you're not doing anything worthwhile, nobody will care, just keep submitting.

>>691538466
you are so stupid it hurts.

>>691536427
Putting away people for breaking the law, even if it's very blurry, is completely different from assaulting a town full of revolutionaries, killing as many as necessary to break their morale and capturing the rest.

Crime fighting and waging war are two very different things. This isn't being an armchair general, it's fact.

>>691534374
>implying that civilians with guns play that large of a part in this.

See >>691534254

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>>691538466
Literally every other industry has lobbyists, why is the NRA so vilified?

>>691538617
the truth usually does hurt

US Armed forces oath of enlistment

I, (state name of enlistee), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend theConstitution of the United Statesagainst all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of theofficersappointed over me, according to regulations and theUniform Code of Military Justice.So help me God.

The real thing the military follows is the constitution. If anyone goes against it (including the president) they are deemed an enemy of the state.

>>691528499
Yeah, because insurgeants in the Middle East armed with AKMs and AK-47s are totally now all dead and not fighting back at all against all the government's military might.
Dickhead.

>>691534923
How's that tinfoil hat feeling?

>>691538201
bruh this shit dont make no sense.

>>691538782
the gun manufacturers can have lobbyists, my point was it's foolish to pretend the NRA is anything but a lobby, as that anon was trying to do by saying it was the voice of the 'people'

>>691538782
Because guns. It's not like alcohol ever killed anyone. If it did then all the stupid White girls would have to stop their trashy party lifestyle.

>>691535144
Maybe that's because people would rather reform the system than topple it.

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>>691538856
According to the Constitution, who gets to determine what is and what isn't Constitutional?

>Protip: its not armyfags

>>691528499
>government is going to use drones on one person

>>691538809
people buy guns because they like them not because they need to be lobbied into buying them. If you are talking about the government then yes it is a lobby. one that actually wants to protect one of the only two remaining constitutional rights.

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>>691539128
They lobby so the Jew kikes in Washington don't strip away the rights of the citizens

And do you really think they're that well funded compared to the gun control lobby?

>>691538856
yeap, and those god damn hippies at kent state were obviously a threat to national security, so the military was totally justified in murdering those kids, because muh oath....

>>691536069
>COD players know

Thanks anon. I needed that laugh

>>691537524
FOR GLORY!!!

>>691539394
they are extremely well funded. but this lobby is one that the people care about as well instead of just a few very rich people trying to get more advantages. if you understand the democratic process at all then you understand bribes are the only way to get shit done.

dumbass debate. The point of an armed populace is we will never get to the point that it's the government vs. us. If we even got close to that point, you'd see probably 70% defections from the military. A civil war would not just be billy bob gun nut vs. the government, plus the various foreign countries that would also be involved on both sides. Don't be fucking stupid.