>>691037841
Because they have the mental illness.

>>691037841

Praise?

Huh?

Wtaf?

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>>691037841

Because it tingles my dingles and I don't care what some faggot on the Internet thinks.

>>691037841
> praise
Fap to maybe...

>>691037841
because they are hot

Transgenders are not okay. Traps are okay. Only cuz it's hot.

>>691037841
i do?

>XX = female
>XY = male

all else = gender dysphoria.

>>691039421
kek

>>691039421
You are a faggot.

>>691039711
Yes it is gender dysphoria, we are women however and deserve to be treated like them.

>>691037841
we praise them for their incredible courage and inspirational bravery in being themselves

>>691040030

how does simply being a woman equate to deserving anything? sounds like a loaded emotionally loaded bullshit assumption

>i know nothing about you, so the term "deserve" is meaniningless to me.

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>>691037841
because is more sexy than another women

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>>691037841
I don't have a gf so I jerk off to crazy shit online. I don't care about them after I cum.

>>691040543
this. courage and bravery

>>691037841
feminine penis = not gay

>>691040030
>deserve
shove your sense of entitlement up your ass and kys

>>691040591

>meaningless-*

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>>691037841
i praise this

>>691041415
>feminine
>penis

Pick one

For your viewing pleasure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1KoJFs8ysg

trans are real womyn and deserve the same special treatmen all womyn do

in fact trans desetve extra special treatment for their incredible courage and honesty and bravery

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>>691040030
Take me very seriously when I say this: commit suicide. Write a letter to your loved ones then take your own life.

There's only 2 genders https://youtu.be/Sf6cmB-OC9E

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>>691041844
>video

>>691040591
>Implying we should not be treated like our preferred

Ok, stay in the 20th century, that's your choice. I am saying you should treat us as women because we are. Or men, both of us exist and just want to be happy like you. Do you have a problem with that?

>>691041468
I am entitled to be treated like a human being just like everyone else. Saying I am acting "entitled" is bullshit. You have no idea what being entitled actually means. I just want to be happy and I deserve the right to find that happiness without interference due to ignorance or bigotry.

>>691041747
Again, spewing shit. Not all men have penises, not all women have vaginas. Shit happens, we are who we are in our minds and our bodies should reflect that. Or do you just ignore science when it doesn't suit you like those stupid bastards who don't believe in climate change?

>>691042133
So much edge

>>691042707
>fix that pesky XY problem and we will talk.

>>691042397
kek

>>691042133
>Telling people who you don't like on the internet to kill themselves
No I am good, thank you. You should however. . I am sure you have thought about it, why don't you do it?

>>691042397
http://www.apath.org/rede/23.html

try again.

>>691042707
so much "entitledness"

no one is disputing you are human.

>>691042823
Doesn't matter what genes I have. Intersex people have XXX or XXY or XYY. Gender is not black and white.

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>>691038059
The jews command us to.

>>691043156
You are acting as if I am somehow lesser than an XX female?

>>691043415
no, im just saying you are a fucked in the head male.

>>691042707
>>>>>691041468
I am entitled to be treated like a human being just like everyone else. Saying I am acting "entitled" is bullshit. You have no idea what being entitled actually means. I just want to be happy and I deserve the right to find that happiness without interference due to ignorance or bigotry.


You have no rights, whatsoever. Do NOT think that you have any.

>>691043129
O.K, I'll say it slower this time. tthheerree aarrrreeee ooonnnlllyyy tttwwwoooooo gggeennnndddeeerrrrs

>>691042707
Topkek

This is what true b8 looks like, take notes you fucking plebs!

>>691043263
they can also be XY and manifest female due to other issues, but they are still male.

>you got Y chromosomes, you are male, you got X only you are female.

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>>691043263
Those conditions represent less than a tenth of a percent of all humans.

I highly doubt you or anybody you know has them.

>>691043507
What's it matter to you what we choose to do with our bodies? There are all sorts of socially acceptable forms of body modification, why should this be any different?

>>691043579
Pedos are entitled to be treated like a human being just like everyone else. Saying pedos are acting "entitled" is bullshit. You have no idea what being entitled actually means. Pedos just want to be happy and I deserve the right to find that happiness without interference due to ignorance or bigotry.

You have no rights, whatsoever. Do NOT think that you have any.

>>691044004

you can dress your body up any way you like, it doesnt change what you are.

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>>691038854
>>691038854
>>>691037841 (OP)
>Because it tingles my dingles

Fucking kek

>>691037841
I dont

>>691040833
That should've been /thread

>>691043579

"I deserve to be treated like any other human."

"You have no rights whatsoever."

Why dont we treat you like you are to him and say you have no rights whatsoever? Why are you entitled to decide how everyone is treated?

>>691043507
I was born in the wrong body. My brain is just fine. Hormones made it better.

>>691043579
>You have no rights, whatsoever. Do NOT think that you have any.

Do you live in a free country? Have the right to self determination? You would deny someone those rights because you do not agree with who they are? Says a lot about you.

>>691043614
According to you. There are multiple genders. There are two sexes

>>691043651
>Implying

>>691043717
From a purely biological standpoint yes. But they walk, talk, act like a female. If you saw them in public you'd thing "that is a girl" and it happened naturally without medical/pharmaceutical intervention.

>>691044186
>>691044200
Why is it ok for people to enlarge their ears, get some shitty piercing, or ruin their body with many tattoos? You think that is any different from this?

>>691042823
There are actually natural born females with XY chromosomes, its called Swyer syndrome.

>>691044655

so you wanna make your body look different than what you were born with.. is that supposed to change anything?

>>691037841

no u

>>691044655
Yes it is different dipshit, those people don't claim to be something they are not.

>>691044814
and i have already stated that in this thread, still male... just look female.

>>691043878
My clinic treats one. Intersex, parents wanted a boy, she wanted to be a girl. We have an innate sense of gender that we are born with. You cannot change it. Unfortunately I was born with the mind of a woman due to hormones in utero. I cannot change that, I can only change who I am now.

>>691044994
You mean artificially added hormones? Say, like the kind a 'gender confused' woman might take?

You dumb nigger

>>691044879
They claim to be cool, they claim it's "ok". Well it's not ok since nobody with brain will empoy you if you have that shit on, you have to hide it with long sleeves / get rid of them. Why would anyone want to do something shitty like that to their body? Because they're braindead

Are you calling being strait a mental illness?
Cause if not, what you're trying to say is ironic

>>691037841
If a dude wants tits and to be called she, whatever, man. It's not like they're dangerous or hurting people. Treating them has actually proven to have worse results than letting it be. Honestly, tits or none, cock or pussy, man, I don't care. Even supposing trannies are mentally ill, it doesn't stop them being useful. They have jobs and contribute, so I say let 'em do what they want. I don't care what the fuck you call youself. If you can do your job and be a useful member of society in some capacity, what the fuck does it matter?

>>691045194
Yes, artificial hormones. If you knew half as much as you pretended you did you would know many of these intersex people do not create sex hormones and have to be on HRT their entire lives.

Nah i'm trans and i agree it is a mental illness. Like seriously i don't doubt myself that i can't actually be a woman i'll always just be a faggot trying not to kill themselves, and the hormones makes it easier to not think about. I like that the solution to my mental problem is that people encourage me to pretend to be something i'm not.

Try to convince me to kill myself

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>>691044994

Well, I'm a post-op genderfluid dolphinkin. Im a dolphin trapped in a human body, its not my fault.

>>691045569
I will accept this answer. Not giving a shit what someone does to be happy if it doesn't hurt anyone else is better than irrationally hating us.

Be me...be black...go watch a movie....talk all the way through it....loudly....nigger's got mental problems...don't even remember what I was talking about just had this urge to ruin the movie

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>>691037841
Speaking of the LGBTBBQ, the last episode of Keit-ai has been released.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLUjMWRCzic

Is 4chan finally free of Keit-ai?

>>691045328
If it were legal, I'd never hire a mental patient 'gender confused' type. Fuck you, you mean to tell me I am to let a clearly unstable individual handle food or money?

Let alone for now the image hit my business would take, as if I would want to look at them every day, I would lose business.

Fuck them.

>>691044879
We claim to look like, act like, feel like and for all intensive purposes should be treated as our target gender. But we don't deny our biological background, that would just be silly. All we ask is that people stop specifically targeting us out for harassment.

>>691045580
Imagine that.
Men don't produce female hormones?

Women don't produce male hormones?

Clearly evolution done goofed.

>>691045601
Go talk to a professional.

>>691045688
>making fun of transpeople and those who are confused

Stop comparing apples to oranges. It makes no damn sense. If you want to be a dolphin, go be a fucking dolphin. Leave us out of it.

>>691044994
>Unfortunately I was born with the mind of a woman due to hormones in utero.

Every fetus is exposed to parental hormones pre-natal. A whole cocktail of them, infact. If this theory were correct, all women would be hyper-feminine, and all boys would be poofs.

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>>691037841
here's a lulzy song made specifically for this raid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nden1ULmyM

>>691045328
That's an issue in and of itself. Body modifications have absolutely no bearing on your ability to do a job competently and people need to stop thinking it does. What the fuck does a tat or a piercing matter? Can the motherfucker make a sandwich/lay flooring/drive a truck/whatever? Yes? Is he reliable and trustworthy? Yes? Good, he should get the fucking job, in a proper business that hires, fires and promotes based on merit.

>>691046257
"He"?

Wow, check your privilege. Fuck you.

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>>691042707
>I am entitled to be treated like a human being just like everyone else.
No. You are entitled to not be physically harmed or harassed. You are not entitled to not have your feelings hurt, at least not in sane countries.
I however am fully entitled to treat you in any way I want without physically harming you. It is called freedom of speech. I am free to call you male pronouns or tell you that you have a mental disorder that needs correction.
In turn you are free to disagree with me, not to listen or read this or call me a bigot and what not. It's all fair game.

>>691046565
This guy is based as fuck.

Listen to him.

>>691046090

How dare you disrespect my species identity, cishuman scum! Dolphinkin deserve just as much respect as any other mental identity. Just because you identify as human doesnt mean everyone else does.
Speciesist.

>>691046565
>freedom of speech
kek, freedom of speech does not mean freedom to harassment, harassment is a punishable offence. Just like lying and slander.

>>691046780
I'm a crococtopus. Lets make little abominations together <3

While it might be a mental illness, I don't think it's as debilitating as other, more severe illnesses. Trans people have just one more issue to face in their lives which empathetic people (i.e. not /b/ users) should be able to understand. The comparison to pedophilia is meaningless as pedophiles are capable of severely damaging kids psychologically (those who do not act on their impulses are a more complicated debate).

At the end of the day, how does another person's identity directly affect your life?

>>691046780
Trans helicopter here. (Human to heli, just didn't feel 'at home' on the ground)

These "gender dysphoria" kids have no idea what a true struggle is. They won't let me fly missions in the middle east! As if "not having rotors" or "being insane" are valid reasons to put in a rejection letter!

I FEEL like a helicopter and want to be treated as one. I deserve to live the life I believe I should have been born into.

>>691046181
Yes, we are exposed to a whole cocktail of hormones. Get testosterone at a certain time of your development and you grow male genitals, don't and you remain a female. Nobody knows why transgender people happen, we just do. There are theories, but it requires more science.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3296090/

I identify here as mayonnaise. Who else here #mayorights ?

>>691047323
>I don't think it's as debilitating as other, more severe illnesses.
Have you been to any college campus in America today? Everyone's pretty fucking debilitated.

>>691047081
If I can legally tell a cop to fuck his mother and that he has a dick where his head should be, I can tell a mentally ill dude that he isn't a woman and needs to seek help.

You don't know what harassment is.

(The 'lying' bit reveals this as bait, just bored and telling it like it is)

(attack helicopters are known for their honesty)

>>691047532
"Nobody knows where Atlantis is"

There is no developmental reason, kids who are raised wrong often develop mental disorders.

Seek help.

>>691047820
> If I can legally tell a cop to fuck his mother and that he has a dick where his head should be
Lol are you one of those Sovereign Citizen retards? Go try to say that to a cop, see how well it works out.

the term was changed in 2013. so its not a mental illness anymore, faggot. LMAO

>>691047532
That's not how it works. Your blood has hormones floating around in it all the time. Tons of different kinds. The child is exposed all throughout pre-natal development.

You eat sjw propaganda like it was made of spoo.

>>691048095
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Atlantis

>>691047081
No one was targeting you until you chose to post here. This was your decision, you are at fault for your harassment.

>trans person goes to anti trans post looking gor conpassion

Its like a nigger going to the kkk and looking to join, yet getting angry when they get "harassed"

you dont need to be a sovereign citizen to have civil liberties

>>691047212
I would love to make croctolphin babies with you zhrr.
At this point im just making up pronouns because i dont even know anymore.

But hey, at least we know our baby croctolphins will be either male or female.

>>691048491
Lol did you just compare your self to the KKK? Seems accurate.

>>691046565
>Using freedom of speech as an excuse and justification for your bigotry.

So you have no other argument other that "I have freedom of speech". You pay no attention to the science behind this. You outright refuse to believe it when even the medical community by and large agree that Gender dysphoria is a condition, but not one that warrants being called a mental illness? That makes you an idiot. Ignore science and use your "freedom" to exercise your bigotry. You are no better than those who are involved with the WBC. Have fun being on their side.

>>691046780
Nobody gave you any surgery to be a dolphin. You have posted nothing to justify that the disorder you claim to have exists. Go find a research article about dolphinkins existing and come check back in here when you do.

>>691048165
A cop can ruin your day no matter what, but getting convicted for solely telling a cop he's a buttbaby is a little different.

>>691047081
>le did not listen meymey xD
Are you retarded? I literally said you are entitled to not be harassed. But someone calling you your non-prefered pronouns on an internet board you freely went to does not count as harassment.

>>691047362
You go heli, show them. Call the police for harassment and fly. It doesnt matter if you dont have the parts, as long as you feel like one, you can be a helicopter

>>691048760
Much like the rest of my argument

>>691048165
I've done it, hence my mentioning it.

I wish a cop would arrest me for speaking my mind, I'd be rich.

>>691045848
That exactly the same thing that applies to tattooed, pierced and ear englarged people. No business takes them, yet people give it "OK" pass for their friends to get tattoos and piercings? What's wrong with you guys, why would you give pass to this abomination?

>>691048806
>A cop can ruin your day no matter what
if you are a dick to them, yeah

>>691048095
So that is your argument. Can't find anything that justifies your argument so you build strawman arguments to tear them down. I bet you feel clever.

>>691048407
You eat far right christian propaganda like it is science. That is exactly how it works. You have no idea how the endocrine system effects fetal development in both the mother and the fetus.

You didn't even read the study because you refuse to be proven wrong by science. That is willful ignorance you exhibit, just like radical religious types, just bury your head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist.

>>691048580
>>691048806
Right here

>>691049353
So dont be a dick? Sounds like good advice....

>>691044605
You were born with the mind of someone who is delusional. You have decided you have the mind of a woman when two people cannot even know they share the same perception of the color red. Pure self confident hogwash, but it's OK because it is a symptom of your sickness. I hope you someday make a recovery.

>>691037841
Depression?

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>>691037841
society has praised mental illness for millennia, intact three of the largest religions were all founded by a man who heard voices in his head that told him to kill his son.

>>691048994
I believe!

I'm headed to the helipad on the roof of my building (picked this location for the pad, helps the anxiety) and getting a running start.

Read your papers tomorrow, you'll see "brave transcopter individual tales flight!"

I'm doing it, dad!

>>691049865
This

>>691048796

Why should i have to prove anything? If I have to respect the genders that other people identify as, they should respect what species i identify as.

Or maybe, these identities only exist in our minds and should be treated as such.

>>691049785
Lol if we can't tell if we have the minds we do, then how can you? Your own argument is self defeating. Pure self confident hogwash,

>>691049517
Not a strawman and you know it.

Children who grow up in toxic environments commonly develop mental illnesses. You should seek help.

What part of that do you fail to grasp?

>>691049988
Godspeed anon godspeed

>>691044972
I'll never believe a word you say spider!

>>691050510
oh, i'm so hurt.

>>691048165
What are you a retard. Of course you can say that to a cop. Albeit the cop will more likely watch what you do and giving him a reason to actually want to arrest you.

>>691049785
I was born with the mind of a female. This isn't some bullshit that we spout. Brain scans have been done on transgender people and both the gender they were born as and the one they transitioned to and guess what it matches? Ill give you a hint, it ain't the gender they were born as.

Don't believe me?
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304854804579234030532617704

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20032-transsexual-differences-caught-on-brain-scan/

http://cercor.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2014/09/12/cercor.bhu194.full

Either A: Accept the science behind this as fact or B:Admit that you simply hate transgender people and everything you have said is irrational bullshit that has no basis in reality and is not remotely factual. Just propaganda that you are spewing.

>>691048796
>You pay no attention to the science behind this. You outright refuse to believe it when even the medical community by and large agree that Gender dysphoria is a condition, but not one that warrants being called a mental illness?
I honestly don't care about gender dysphoria. It does not affect my life. What does affect it is people trying to supress freedom of speech. That's what I spoke out against.
And to be honest, it affects the transgender community negatively too. So instead of whining about people not treating you the way you want (which happens to everyone) you might want to see why your community has suicide rates as high as jews during the holocaust and why noone is talking about it.

>>691050741
>I was born with the mind of a female.
Keking so hard right now.

>>691050255
He makes a bulletproof argument, retard.

How do you know how a woman 'feels'?
You have never been anybody but yourself, therefore you're deluded to think you are another gender. You have no way of knowing what that would be like.

You have a dick and 'like women's clothes and makeup and gay sex', you are a man who crossdresses.

Same for a 'confused' woman.

They will never be anything else, as they were not born with the anatomy and cannot possibly know what the fuck 'being (different gender)' feels like.

>>691050741
Kill yourself, please. Even A or B, we don't fucking care, just hang yourself.

>>691050061
You have no justification for your argument. None. It makes no sense. Science doesn't recognize it, Medical science doesn't recognize it. You cannot find one shred of evidence that backs up otherkin existing, i bet you looked too, however there are mountains of evidence and research studies that show trans people exist and are the gender they choose to transition too and are happier and healthier afterwards.

>>691050255
The world of the mind is not yet understood. The plumbing you were born with is. Belief that you have the mind of a woman despite being born as a man and growing up in the body of a man and living the experiences of a man should be considered a delusion. You have a powerful burden of evidence. To say otherwise is an insult to real ciswoman. But sure, you literally have the brain of a woman. Now cis males can tell women how it feels to be them. Lmao great job patriarchy

>>691041747
you fella's ever realise you're all just getting baited?

>>691050741
So if you give a man a ton of female hormones, they, like, feminize him?

How enlightening and totally natural.

Those scans, they're all on pre-hormone patients and therefore have validity, yes?

>>691050357
>Children who grow up in toxic environments

The argument at hand is if Transgender people have a mental illness or not, you are switching the argument to if children who grow up in toxic environments develop mental disorders. That has nothing to do with the argument at hand, whether or not children in toxic environments develop mental disorders has no bearing on if Transgender people have mental disorders.

>>691050791
This right here.

Nobody gives a fuck about trannies, they throw their 'condition' in our faces nonstop and we have to bite our tongues?

Just fucking wear your dress! Nobody wants to see you, just stop.

>>691050717
Oh I see, so you get away with saying those things because the cops feel sorry for you because you are retarded. Makes sense.

>>691051374
Yep, I just love a good debate.

Since I can't find one, I'm killing time here.

>>691051054
You have no way of experiencing our minds, so how do you know we don't have the mind of another gender?

>>691051805
You do not get away with anything since saying insults to a cop does not warrant an arrest.

>>691051532
Studies link childhood trauma to the 'identity disorders' trannies spout.

Usually sexual abuse.

Themoreyouknow.jpeg

>>691050791
You are trying to use freedom of speech as an excuse for bigotry and hatred. You wouldn't call someone black a nigger to their face, even though you have a "right" too, that black dude won't see it that way.

Plenty of people are tarling about the catastrophically high suicide rates and guess what the consensus is? The denial of their gender identity as being legitimate. Same thing happens to gays when they have to repress who we are. We were meant to express and explore ourselves, not deny it and try to fit in small moulds called "normal". People like you are the reason transgender people commit suicide, because you refuse to believe their identity and instead choose to insult and belittle it because it intimidates and challenges you and the way you perceive the world. Remember the golden rule: Treat others the way you wish to be treated.

>>691050900
>Refusing to see science.
Yup, Another r-tard.

>>691051124
That is the best you can do. You have no backup argument other than "kill yourself" its funny. You are just embarrassing yourself and showing how small minded you really are. Your bigotry has no basis in science nor fact. Just in the bible. I bet you see yourself as an atheist too.

>>691051185

Just because the evidence isn't there doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If there was an operation to make me look like a dolphin and i had it, would it make me a dolphin? No. It would make my body match my mental identity. And that's exactly what trans people do, change their bodies to match their identities.

>>691051374
The cucks are real :)

>>691050741
A) the sample size of these studies are hilarious
B) the methodology is suspect
C) few conclusions can be drawn from them
D) there is not even a fucking diagnostic to come out of these
and E) if there was, how the fuck would you know if you met it and not the more obvious delusional and mentally ill diagnostic? You know theres a Venn diagram here? even if there was a chance all of the above things were rectified and the "science" stood you'd be ten thousand miles from a world where all the self identified trans are 100% scientifically othersex brains

>>691052157
I don't claim to know how any other person thinks, retard.

Neither can you. Or anybody else.

That is the point. You have no yardstick by which to measure 'how you feel' vs 'how a lady feels' and any thoughts otherwise are not grounded in reality and therefore are delusions.

>>691051423
Brain cell structures change very little throughout adult life. Mostly formed by experiences during early childhood. Would not be influenced by hormones. It isn't like how the body changes when a person feminizes or masculinizes.

>>691052189
>>Refusing to see science.
>Yup, Another r-tard.
You could say so but I was not presenting an argument, anon. So go fuck yourself for taking my comment seriously.

>>691052189
Calling a black person nigger is not even close to calling a man in drag 'him' you fucktard.

>>691052189
Never said i was smart or anything, i know i'm just retarded as all of you, i just hate the humanity in general including myself. Don't fuckin care about embarass myself or anything else. Don't care about science or anything.
And not atheist, more Agnostic. Or i just don't care.

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>>691037841
http://bit.
ly/25xOEE4

>>691052599
This is not true. Ayy lmao

>>691052599
Nobody is talking about structure.

We are talking about chemicals, which certainly do change the way your brain works.

Nice try.

>>691053016
>>691053018
Based as fuck.

Give a person hormones, of course they'll have an effect on their body and mind.

The brain isn't a fucking hunk of metal, it's an organ like, say, breasts. It serves a different function, clearly, but is acted on by hormones all the same.

>>691052712
Says the KKK member

>>691053275
The cucks cant even tell, Mr KKK is really trying hard now

>>691053612
Yeah, you're boring now.

Decent bait while it lasted, I'm out.

>>691053969
Victory though shit posts!

>>691052294
>Just because there is no evidence that god exists that doesn't mean he isn't real!

That is the argument you are making right now. Same damn thing. Science backs what I am doing. Do a simple damn google search. Here I will help you.
http://www.cakeworld.info/transsexualism/what-helps/hormones

>>691052467
Transgender people are few and far in between. Believe it or not. Did you even read the oxford article? Of course you didn't, you skimmed. You are making these claims without having supporting evidence to back up any of that. Nothing, Not one shred of it. Have fun being a bigot not having any science to back it up.

I have been to doctors, I have followed the exact same methodology of these patients. I have seen multiple professionals before I ever started hormones and I was told the same thing by every single one of them "I believe you have Gender dysphoria, I would like to talk with you about what the implication of what that means".

>>691052189
>You wouldn't call someone black a nigger to their face, even though you have a "right" too, that black dude won't see it that way.
Actually I would if I wanted. Fucking strawmanning bitch.

>and guess what the consensus is? The denial of their gender identity as being legitimate.
Transgenders are far more accepted in society than they once were and yet the suicide rate stays. Gays never had such high suicide rates.
And you forgot. It is as high as jews during the holocaust. Are you trying to tell me being a transgender today is as hard as being a jew during the third reich?

>People like you are the reason transgender people commit suicide, because you refuse to believe their identity and instead choose to insult and belittle it because it intimidates and challenges you and the way you perceive the world
Again. Strawman. I have a transgender collegue and we get along. Why? Because nobody gives a shit about what she wears.
I am however well aware that she has mental problems. As far as I know she goes to a therapist.

>>691054209
Actually, I just remembered that picture of Randy Marsh as a dolphin and ran with it, just to see how sarcastic I could be and how much you'd be willing to argue an obviously facetious argument.

The answer to both was an impressive amount.

>>691050716
good

>>691054209
You believe the science backs you up but you're running on faith in a delusion: that you are a woman born into a man's body. You are backpedalling away from your claims of female brain structure and scientific truth and equivocating your gender dysphoria diagnosis with ironclad proof that you have a female brain. All you have is a delusion and science doesnt work the way you think it does. Yet you invoke it the way a Christian would invoke Jesus name. There is a reason for this.

By the way I've read those papers. Sorry that the world does not match your imagination.

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>>691055039
3d print penises and vaginas from stem cells, problem solved

>>691052639
Still makes you an r-tard.

>>691052712
Giving them shit for being who they are is. Insults hurt just the same regardless of race or gender.

>>691052867
>Don't care about science
This is the problem with people in this current generation. The lack or respect for research is astonishing.

You sure make a lot of the same arguments a religious person does for someone who is "agnostic" which is a bullshit term in itself. Either god exists or it doesn't. Quit beating around the bush with your indecisiveness.

>>691053016

The brain has an extent of plasticity, yes. It can grow, but the growth that already occurred does not change. Lrn2science.

>>691053018
Structure is inherent to the argument that I am making. I am saying transgender brains are different and therefore are influenced by hormones of the other sex in a different way than the brain of someone who is cis gendered.

>The year is 2016
>Americans are disgusted with politics and refuse to participate in the election
>In a scramble to maintain democracy congress arrange a literal race between the candidates
>fastest time around the white house becomes the president
>Be an old Bernie Sanders with shit knees
>24 minutes
>Be Donald Trump with aerodynamic hair
>Takes 11:05
>Be Hillary Clinton
>Demolish the gardens, pedestrians, and bald eagles to save time
>Takes 10:30
>Hillary wins
>Praised for her time some say its a record
>Public scours the books trying to find the record
>The record is found buried deep inside the white house
>Bush did 9:11

>>691055498
>Still makes you an r-tard.
It's called /b/tard, baka.

>>691055498
It's not that i'm questionning myself about what exist or not, i just don't fucking care, that's all.

>>691055498
also neurons have jumping genes similar to immune cells, so a lot more fluidity in the brain, which explains why we can send people to the moon.

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>>691037841
because I don't

Hes a fucking genius

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try your very best not to rage

>>691037841
You act like being a female isn't a mental illness as well.

Shit, we're all mentally ill at this point. Fuck it.

>>691044605
gender=sex
Make up a new word for your new brand of faggotry you lazy cunt

>>691056570
Jesus fuck do you not know how to screenshot

>>691054861
>Actually I would if I wanted. Fucking strawmanning bitch.

But you don't, because you are afriad of the consequences, regardless of your freedoms, you do not infringe upon the rights and freedoms of others, especially when there is a personal stake in it for you. Read:Getting shot

>Transgenders are far more accepted in society than they once were and yet the suicide rate stays. Gays never had such high suicide rates.
And you forgot. It is as high as jews during the holocaust.

Still not accepted by society, regardless of what you claim. Still seen exactly as you see them and that is the problem. That causes the problem. When people claim they have mental illness or do not exist it destroys their entire identity and who they are.

>Are you trying to tell me being a transgender today is as hard as being a jew during the third reich?
I would like some sources backing that up. I am not comparing apples to oranges, Both have their struggles, when the state is attacking you for merely existing, legalizing discrimination against you in public, when there are those on the street who feel it is their "duty" to rid the world of transgender people. When there are those who stand on a pulpit and proclaim the are subhuman and deserve to be killed. I can see the parallels and it is terrifying.

>>691055039
The world matches exactly what I have said. The entire time I have been in this thread not one person has posted a research article that is peer reviewed. You have nothing to dispel or disprove how I feel. You just make assumptions because you disagree with my feelings. You are an idiot and nothing scientific backs up what you think. Your argument is worthless, your words are worthless, you have no evidence to back up either. I have made my argument and presented evidence in support of it. You have made a bunch of assumptions trying to present them as counter arguments with nothing supporting your argument but your feelings.

>>691056110
When someone you are close to you ends up being transgender, you will.

>>691056123
Again, you are not hearing my fucking argument you imbecile. I will say it again because you are an idiot. There is plasticity with neurons, yes, however those neurons that have already formed do not change. Connections that have already been made do not go away, only new connections are made.

>>691057036
>Making up a new word
Try again.

>>691040030
>Yes it is gender dysphoria

No it's GENDER IDENTITY DISORDER.

You are NOT women. If was to look at your DNA, you would have and XY on your 23rd pair.
The thought of this DISTRESSES you to the point where you refuse to accept what you GENETICALLY AND PHYSICALLY ARE. This is why it is a mental illness.
This is why you need therapy to hopefully pull your psyche out of the rut that tells yourself that your personality traits somehow make you a male or female and not what you ACTUALLY ARE.

>>691042707
Sorry to break it to you but if you have a penis you're a guy thats how it works faggot

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>>691037841
coz gurls dont want meh and i wanna lick boypussi! >:3
[spoiler]I actually hate the fact that i'm so driven by my primal instincts , I'm trying to get back on the right path[/spoiler]

Because why the fuck would I have a problem with

>More traps
>More tomgirls

>>691057628
>Caps lock is cruise control for cool

Again, Go look at the fucking DSM-5, It is and I quite "Gender Dysphoria"
http://www.dsm5.org/documents/gender%20dysphoria%20fact%20sheet.pdf

>You are NOT women. If was to look at your DNA, you would have and XY on your 23rd pair.

Yes, Happens to intersex people too. We are not binay people, There is much more diversity to humanity and how we perceive gender.

>The thought of this DISTRESSES you to the point where you refuse to accept what you GENETICALLY AND PHYSICALLY ARE. This is why it is a mental illness.
The DSM-5 Doesn't see it that way. You are arguing against psychology while trying to claim it. You are making an ass of yourself. Go read it and actually educate yourself.

>This is why you need therapy to hopefully pull your psyche out of the rut that tells yourself that your personality traits somehow make you a male or female and not what you ACTUALLY ARE.
Implying I havent seen multiple psychologists and therapists before I ever transitioned. That is the sad thing, you refuse to believe that science says we exist while simultaneously trying to use that science to claim we do not exist. It is laughable and makes you look retarded.

>>691057656
>Implying women can't have penises.

>>691045569
I agree. If a person wants to be called him or her or ze, the polite thing to do is to indulge them. But by definition, your gender or sex is not defined by your appearance or what you identify as. It is defined by your chromosomes. It doesnt matter if you have some jacked up condition where you developed with female attributes even though you have male chromosomes, you are a male. If you want to be nitpicky and bitch and moan about it, thats fine. It doesnt change shit. If i wish to become an astronaut, nothing i can do will make me one except ACTUALLY visiting space. Pretending i am one, dressing up in a space suit, even getting in a rocket does not change that.

>>691058372
drag queens and girlyboys are people who have reconciled their sex with their psyche. They have realized that they can be feminine and still be male and carry male qualities. These are not the people to be concerned with, they should be respected. The people who are the issue are the ones who protest what they are and encourage others to do the same.

>>691057225
It is hilarious how you have not addressed the core of a single one of my points, and have simply dismissed them. I guess your mental illness is in part caused by a deficiency is understanding and making fully connected logical arguments. Science is a dialogue not an oracle and not a single one of the papers you have posted stand alone as proof of your world view. They have been posted by your sort many times before for many years because that is how they tend to be used, but you never have a notion of the context of scientific criticism those papers live within, the strength of their findings and how limited the conclusions you might support from them are. But you would never dream of researching for evidence that might not support your delusion.

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>>691058494
http://www.dsm5.org/documents/gender%20dysphoria%20fact%20sheet.pdf
Still a mental disorder dipshit.
It's just a nice word so whiney transexuals stop screeching. It's the same fucking thing. It wouldn't be in the 'disorders' section of DSM if it wasn't.

Caps highlight keywords.
I would like to here you explain how you can be a female even though the blueprint and acting functional makeup of your body (the only thing that really carries a 'sex') is male. Note that what is in your head is essentially genderless and you have made the choice to assign a sex to it.

>>691058494
intersex are a complete separate issue and the fact is, they are so rare that they hardly count. Most 23rd pair anomalies do produce one or the other sex.

>>691057225
>But you don't, because you are afriad of the consequences, regardless of your freedoms, you do not infringe upon the rights and freedoms of others, especially when there is a personal stake in it for you. Read:Getting shot
1. I don't do it because I never feel the need to. Partially because I don't know any blacks. 2. Calling someone a nigger would not infringe on their freedom or rights. 3. Shooting someone however would.
Answering with violence to an insult is fucking retarded.

>Still not accepted by society, regardless of what you claim.
Depends on where you look. My country had conchita a while back. You elected a transgender woman of the year.

>Still seen exactly as you see them and that is the problem.
Please, oh wise one, tell me how I see them. Certainly you know me better than I do from these 5 texts I wrote.

>Both have their struggles, when the state is attacking you for merely existing
When did the government do that?
When did anything remotly similar happen to you that happened to jews during the holocaust.
The stat, by the way, I took from the interview of some transgender who speaks out against the current perception of transgenders.

>>691058494
The problem with your therapy is that you don't WANT to get better. you just want to be a girl.. that is your sole agenda. You like girls, you hate yourself, you want to be what you like. You start getting in a rut of using female behavioral pathways, and it snowballs. It's all thanks to the trans community egging it on, people like you telling others that "they ARE the other sex and the only thing they can do is lop off their dick".. in the end causing them to want to kill themselves even MORE from all the hormones and destruction of a functioning body.

Believe it or not, I want what's best for people. The trans movement is turning GID into a memetic virus, spreading with the idea and influence and ultimately ruining lives.

>>691058770
Again, you have absolutely no evidence to support your argument. All you rely on is erroneous claims of mental illness when the defining document on mental illness does not even see Gender dysphoria as a mental illness.

I have tried researching evidence that refutes what I am doing, There is no peer reviewed research against transitioning nor transgender people. Each bit of research you may find has been dispelled and proven erroneous and bogus. It is laughable how much resarch is in support of transgender people and how little research is against it. Says something huh? Maybe you might just be a bigot whom is full of shit.

>>691059335
God damn, you do not even understand what a mental illness is do you? It is a disorder, not a mental illness you fucking retard, you cant comprehend basic english, dipshit. You have such a little grasp on how mental illness actually works it hurts. I hope you never go to college and stay at your mcjob.

>Caps highlights words
Cruise control for cool, just to prove you are sooper sereal.

>I would like to here you explain how you can be a female even though the blueprint and acting functional makeup of your body (the only thing that really carries a 'sex') is male. Note that what is in your head is essentially genderless and you have made the choice to assign a sex to it.
Again, you are making assumptions about my gender with no science to back it up.

http://www.cakeworld.info/transsexualism/what-helps/hormones

Quit embarrassing yourself and get on my level.

>>691060687
>Making assumptions on why I transitioned
You know me so fucking well bro.
No. I wanted what was best for me and went to doctors wanting them to tell me NOT to do this, not the other fucking way around jackass. None of the shit you are claiming is true. There is so much research that dispels it is makes you look fucking ridiculous.

>Believe it or not, I want what's best for people.
You want people to fit in your nice little mould the way you believe they should be and when they dont you claim they will not be happy. So many studies have been done on those who get GRS and everything, everything contradicts what you claim. You don't know shit, and now it is starting to really show.

>>691052912
is that the sauce or a virus?

>>691060737
The evidence you should look for is criticism of your brain scan studies. Hint hint, it is not criticism made by bigots solely for the purpose of preventing you from transitioning. You keep leaping from the micro to macro scale in your arguments and skip all of the necessary supporting steps. Delusional people frequently make that kind of logical mistake though.

>>691060687
This poster is correct and society will look back at these decades in horror not two generations from now.

>>691060737
It is curious that you ignored this post:
>>691051327
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>>691061218
Again, you claim people like me just have delusions and criticize the brain scans when you show nothing backing up any of your claims. Not a shred of evidence. It is starting to get sad. You have nothing to back up what you claim. You just keep claiming it hoping it sticks. It doesn't work like that.

>>691061394
Just like we look back in horror about the stonewall riots, the civil rights movement and think "what the fuck were we thinking, treating human beings like that" Even history doesn't support your argument.

>>691061617
More like lobotomies and electroshock therapy.

>>691060737
>went to college for psychopathology

1)I'm doing you a favor by classifying it as a mental illness. A mental disorder means that it's all in your head and you really kinda just did it to yourself. An illness states that there is actually something physiologically wrong with you.

2) what constitutes a mental disorder/illness vs normal diversity?
Abnormal functioning of psychological or neurological processes that creates a scenario where the individual causes or experiences distress.. whether that be intrinsic or emotional pain, or being a significant threat to society.

>>691052495
would like to point out a very old thought... i think therfore i am. our physical bodies may or maynot be an ilution. infakt our entire planetary system might just be in my head an none of you and every material thing i se and feel might just be but an ilusion.. you can't firmly prove that annything exists. therfore letem have as meany fucking genders as they whant they can't even prove they exist as a person... just a thought...personaly i dont believe in more than 2 genders. but personalities now that's some fucked up shit

>>691061175
I know you are lying. to me.. or to yourself. I've seen it before. You fool nobody. Trust me.. you maybe don't want to feel this way, but subconsciously, you feel this way because you want to be something else.

>>691061617
I'm trying to prompt you to read and think a little. But you are trapped in a holding pattern. I'm not going to hold your hand. Please continue to lash out whenever someone threatens the bubble of delusion you are ensconced in.

>>691061833
even if you are going to take that expanding "no limits because reality isn't real' standpoint, you still define things by sets of laws in each layer or reality. In the 3+flowing 4th dimensional universe we live on.. organic lifeforms from the planet earth that are eukareotic multicellular evolved from the notachordic chassis.. have male or female... with the warm blooded ones never being able to change their sexual dimorphism over their lifecycle.

>>691061562
I have replied to every other post and did not see it.
>The world of the mind is not yet understood.
No it is not, why are you claiming that transgender people cannot exist and that this is a mental disorder when we have only just begun to understand how the human brain works?

>The plumbing you were born with is.
It is understood at the basic level I.E. how it works, not why we form the genitals that we have beyond having a chromosome. Fetal development is an emerging science.

>Belief that you have the mind of a woman despite being born as a man and growing up in the body of a man and living the experiences of a man should be considered a delusion.

According to you. Not scientists, not doctors, not psychologists, none of them agree with you. Stick with your furry threads, you obviously have no grasp on this at all beyond the average internet poster who does.

>You have a powerful burden of evidence.
I have a hell of a lot of evidence too. You have none.


>To say otherwise is an insult to real ciswoman. But sure, you literally have the brain of a woman.
None of this is an insult to cis women, but again you are the expert right?

>Now cis males can tell women how it feels to be them. Lmao great job patriarchy

This is who I am, Who I always was. All the science and professionals agree. It is pissed off internet posters who do not.

>>691061744
So did my doctor. We have talked about this in depth and she thinks people like you are full of shit. Because you are full of shit.
>Doing me a favor
No, you are doing yourself a favor, it takes the burden off of science and humanity. Nothing is wrong with me and all the research backs that up. Again you have nothing supporting your argument. I will give you one more post, if you can not find evidence to support anything you say that is peer reviewed. After that you can talk to a hug box.

You make no verifiable claims. Just speculation and conjecture.

>>691061933
I don't have to fool anybody I am who I am.
>Lying
I went to a doctor because I did not want to be this way, my entire life I was different and all I wanted to be was normal and it turns out I am not. I am ok with that finally and do not care that I am not normal, nobody is, but I am me and that is good enough.

>>691062115
I have read, I have studied, I have seen all the research for and against but yet again you cannot present anything in support of your argument because you cannot find anything that does that hasn't already been refuted.

I am pointing out how your opinions are bullshit, shown you study after study in support of ehat I am saying. An all you have done is act like it wasn't true. It is peer reviewed research, not a fucking daily mail article. You have done nothing but make a fool of yourself. I hope you don't always argue like this, you just look like a retard.

>>691063104
Something of similar strength to your previous papers that contradicts one of the pillars of your arguments:

http://m.eje-online.org/content/155/suppl_1/S107.full

>>691044972
Spider confirmed

This entire thread is overrun by tumblrite cancer

i don't care and don't know why anyone would get mad that someone identifies as planetkin or whatever

it seems pretty new to actually get upset over stuff like this

>>691063731
>The findings suggest that treatment of MFs with estrogens and anti-androgens decreases the male brain size towards female proportions, whereas treatment of FMs with androgens (not substantially affecting circulating estrogen levels) increases the female brain size towards male proportions. The magnitude of this change (i.e. 31 ml over a 4-month period) is striking, since it signifies a decrease in brain volume, which is at least ten times the average decrease of around 2.5 ml per year in healthy adults (16). Moreover, please note that consistent with the findings in the young adult control subjects of the present study, the longitudinal brain volume changes in young adults are normally small as compared with the older adults (17). The changes in total brain and hypothalamus volumes following cross-sex hormone treatment in the transsexuals were mirrored by changes in their third and lateral ventricle volumes, i.e. treatment with estrogens and anti-androgens in MFs increased third and lateral ventricle volumes, whereas treatment with androgens decreased the third and lateral ventricle volumes in FMs.

Again, exactly what I said about brain plasticity. You implied this was going to shatter my argument and all it has done is reinforce it.

>>691064622
That male brain structures are changed to resemble the proportions of female brain structures and vice versa by sex hormones? Then where is your at birth female brain in a normal male body?

>>691064622
And when did your doctor take imaging of your brain structures and slot you into one gender or another? Or did you just have good conversations about how you feel and your inexplicable unhappiness with your form.

>>691063104
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/06/15145/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2528051

http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/Warning.html

I the rest is harder to study quantitavily. I have yet to meat a transexual who isn't a titanic asshole.. but i have met plenty of tomboy's and femboi's who are as happy as can be. I think it's time to re-evalute the extremely coddling attitude driven to prevent anger (and loss of patients due to angry storms out of the therapy room) and look at facts based on science, knowledge, and the shit that we have learned about the human brain.

I saw a doc on transexuals on pbs.. great stuff.. really showed a lot of important data, then in the end they were like "oh yeah.. trans should be coddled." in contradiction to all their data.

>>691037841
I don't. I think faggots, dykes, transgender, and people that think they can "identify" with WHATEVER they want are PURE CANCER TO THIS PLANET!!

>>691066014
How exactly is 2 women kissing harmful to the planet?

>>691063731
Ill leave you with this. I am done arguing with you people. You have such a frail grasp on science it is getting hard to argue with you. It is like arguing with religious people. Stufk in bigotry.

http://www.majickalproductions.biz/bekasite/resouces/In-Womb%20Development.htm

http://transcience-project.org/brain_sex.html

http://www.academia.edu/7346016/What_s_in_a_Gender_Studies_of_Brain_Structure_Find_Evidence_for_Neurological_Basis_of_Transgender_Identity

>>691064885
>Implying the brain doesn't have plasticity

I literally said this like what, an hour ago9 and you refuse to acknowledge that. Like you are holding this smoking gun proving transgender people do not exist. It is sad.

>>691065199
Wow, paul mchugh, you pulled that card. He is an asshole and has been turned into an embarrassment. Good job, you can use basic google.

http://genderanalysis.net/2015/09/paul-mchugh-is-wrong-transitioning-is-effective-gender-analysis-10/

>About the health effects:
We know this. We were warned of these consequences. It is worth it to us. Increased side effects happen with all medications, some are more dangerous than others.

>ai.eecs.umich.edu
>Artificial intelligence laboratory of michigan
Oh I am sure they do a ton of research on transgender people! Im sure its a daily thing for them

A handful of people who transitioned regretted it, So? That was their decision. They should have made a more well informed decision.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26237928

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/274833229_Psychosocial_outcome_and_quality_of_sexual_life_after_sex_reassignment_surgery_An_Italian_multicentric_study

Again, you have shown me one peer reviewed article and the rest is hogwash.

Get on my level. You are a poor college student. I bet your grades were shit too. You are lazy and all of your "research" is full of holes.

>>691065199
I can send you way more if 4chan didn't fight me on the spam filters.
http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/24433562
http://www.europsy-journal.com/article/S0924-9338(14)77643-6/abstract
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15532739.2014.890558#.U5HxsE2KAUE
http://europepmc.org/abstract/MED/24755998

>>691066893
You are the reason why it makes it so hard to support transgender people. I believe it is an actual thing, that people should do whatever makes them happy as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. But the way you act and attack everyone is just like an angry dog on a leash.

Also, what the fuck are you doing going into a thread on /b/ and expecting a reasonable debate? Honestly you brought this all on to yourself. It is like walking into a shark tank with a cut and then getting mad when you get bit.

Maybe people would be more sympathetic and willing to listen to you if you didn't come off as a complete asshole who tries to force people to accept you. You even got mad at people who said they didn't care what you did as long as you didn't bug them.

>>691066893
Your understanding of science brings to mind cargo cults. You can't even keep your arguments from a few hours ago straight in your mind. Get a real education.

>>691065199
More for your faggot ass so you will leave knowing you were bested this entire thread by the thing you hate:
http://www.aerzteblatt.de/pdf/111/47/m795.pdf
http://www.jourpsyc.com/2014/703.pdf
http://www.emeraldinsight.com/doi/abs/10.1108/MHRJ-05-2014-0015
http://www.hindawi.com/journals/tswj/2014/437378/

>>691067723
No, People like you are the reason why people like me are so god damn defensive. I said it in the beginning of the thread what we all wanted. To be treated as human beings, to be treated like the gender we identify.

I am tired of constant attacks against who I am and how I feel like it is a problem. If you don't want to support us for defending ourselves fine. If it was you you'd be the same way, but your entire identity isn't being attacked by a group of people not believing it exists.

I came in here and made my point. people left because they weren't getting their lulz because I actually have a fucking education and won't be walked all over. What the fuck are you doing on /b/ and attacking peoples identities?

People wouldn't listen to me being "nice", people don't listen to kind people who can be walked all over. I have tried that approach over and over. It doesn't work.

I will defend who I am and my identity, regardless of how you feel a central part of my character was attacked, I was told I had a mental illness, that I was delusional, that I didn't exist. That is the problem, not me. Society has a long way to go.

>>691067956
Your idea of science is a bunch of hogwash that can't actually be proven. I showed my sources. You just embarrassed yourself. You wasted your money with college.

>>691069084
Of I had a dollar for every pixel in that image, I'd have like 5 dollars.

>>691068845
You aren't smart enough to realise that you are the one who has embarrassed himself. I would say that this argument has been frustrating but at least I don't have to wake up tomorrow living in your stunted mind.

If the surgery is so freeing, then why is there such a high suicide rate after surgery? Transgender suicide rates post op are higher than the suicide rates of black slaves in the 1800s who were so oppressed they were lynched. If it's not a mental imbalance that's causing them to be so unstable (to the extent they want to kill themselves at a higher rate than blacks in the 1800s), then wtf is it that's causing high suicide rates?

>>691069364
I proved my argument. I showed how hormones and GRS improves the quality of life for people like me.

>>691069417
You have compared our suicide rates to jews during the holocaust, blacks during slavery. Everything and I have already answered it, the lack of acceptance is the problem. Being told you are not who you feel like is and incredibly destructive thing.

I honestly think letting your whole life revolve around your fucking gender when theres so much other shit is just sad. Youll spend ages trying to find your gender and in that time you could have done something actually productive

>>691069855
At the mere cost of sterilisation, an increased risk of cancer and a lifelong dependency on hormone replacement therapy. With a staggeringly high comorbidity with (other) mental illnesses and a high suicide rate. But no, it isn't a mental illness. Society is the problem.

is there still a lgbt raid still?? is there a link to the thread?

>>691069855
Even more destructive than being told you are not a human being? I don't think so. The reason your illness is compared to these things is because it is not fathomable that you can even be less accepted by societies than those people were. There was no Jew pride parades, no "Black acceptance month" or anything else. In fact in a study done, 70-80% of transgender youths said they felt the feelings of pass forever. Meaning it is a chemical imbalance in the brain that needs to be cured and looked after, rather than encouraged or celebrated. You are not being more oppressed than blacks and Jews were, and you're not being rejected by society, you have people who want to help you with your disorder and people who want to further your disorder. You chose the latter.

>>691070808
It's funny that this poster is going to abstract this all away as a memory of him fighting bigot trolls online.