>>690987423
are they?

they aren't superior, it's simply that they exist and it's so darn expensive for both countries to make new rockets they just cooperate

>>690987423
It's not that it's more efficient, NASA just has a deal with Russia while they develop better technology since shuttles were decommissioned

>>690987835
By they look way cooler

>>690988003
Dat korolev cross

>>690987835
They are actually in trouble. Much lower costing rockets are about to hit the market and make them obsolete.

Russia is making a successor, but whether or not it can compete we'll have to see.

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>>690987423
>>690987667
>>690987835
>>690987978
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>>690987423
They are tried and tested and engineered with simplicity. The fuel tanks and the geometrical importance of the sphere for example. They are a fuck ton cheaper to make too

>>690988207
degenerate incest trash

>>690987978
Also, no one is gonna deny that the Russians are pretty fucking good at this stuff. We just don't really need anything else for the iss right now. Russia gets glory while NASA gets a ride

ITT: butthurt murricans

>>690988323
As long as he bumps I don't care

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>>690988246
When they were developed, the Soviets didn't have the technology to make anything BUT spheres. One of the many things that bit them in the ass when scaling up for the n1.

>>690987835

Horseshit. NASA sucks and has no current, reliable and available delivery vehicle worth a shit. Sad thing is they have a bigger budget and access to 50 years of technical development in the field and can still not compete with Russia, India, China or a couple of private corporations when it comes down to it.

>>690987423
Russians have always excelled at rocket engineering. That's why they were first in the space race, and why America was so obsessed in trying to get the other space "firsts" after that.

>>690987423
>Superior rockets.
>Still hasn't made it to the moon.

What?

>>690987423
soviet union captured best german scientists for rockets at end of war

>>690988692
That's why they are researching new rockets, they need a lift while they try bigger and better rockets for further and more efficient delivery

>>690988875
They got second helpings then dumped them back into East Germany to be forgotten once they got them to show them everything.

A lot of the top bracket went West because of the reputations the Soviets had.

>>690987423
better colorway

>>690987423
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>>690988692
You all are morons, the US government decided that rather than infesting shittons of money in NASA to make new/better rockets opted to allow the private sector to develop rockets.

>>690988801
this

russians were first to leave the planet. anything america has done in space won't ever top that

>>690989259
MOON

>>690989107
That doesn't mean NASA isn't doing their own shit still

>>690988875
Wernersville von braun was the director of nasa from its inception until 1968. A year before the moon landing. Nasa was originally based on the German v1 program. It's quite the contrary

>>690989461
I'd say both are on par with each other. Each will be remembered equally

>>690989461
>MOON
fake moon landing that eventually happened

>>690989461
That's passe. Forget Mars, too. Leaving Earth is a transition from air to space. The next big step will take leaving the solar system and visiting another star system..

>>690989259
Interstellar travel, however, is the next frontier, and may the best survive to see that glorious day.

>>690989741
Ok nutjob, you do you

>>690989741
I heard the chimp the US sent up actually died and they had like 2 spares just in case.

Politics.

>>690989845
>Interstellar travel
tfw we probably won't be alive to see it

>>690989075
>>690989558
USSR captured german research sites that were all in Poland
America got one guy and none of the research

>>690989558
Soviet system was completely based on the V2 rocket. They found a few engineers and had them rebuild one so they could learn how to make it. Everything was an evolution of that.

Soviets added more rockets to the V2, Americans made them bigger.

>>690988692
You can't just pull out some blueprints and make a rocket. There are entire untold parts of the process and tooling that cannot be easily recreated.

>>690988801
Technically the Nazis were first to send an object into space, just not into orbit.

>>690989845
From Terra Nova to space is easy, landing on a body that isnt TerraNova is fucking hard (even harder when the goal is to come back alive...)

>>690989845
Voyager 1 is the first manmade object to leave the solar system.

Still functioning on low power two.

Unfortunately we probably won't be alive to see man do this.

>>690990176
>fucking hard (even harder when the goal is to come back alive...)

Sure, but, honestly, there was no point to it. Going into space has all kinds of awesome implications, like satellites and such, but landing on the moon was all politics. I mean. honestly.... what did they expect to find? little green men? cheese?

>>690990125
That one guy smuggled a ton of research and scientists with him. Adding to that, Americans quickly brought tons of equipment and tooling west before the war ended. Soviets weren't empty handed, but they still got sloppy seconds.

most of the technologies from the US and soviet union is based off of the work from german nazi scientists...so, it really comes down to funding, resources and creative engineering. besides, space is likely to end up in the private sector with some government assistance than some states dominance over space.


tl;dr we have a long way to go and only a retard involves states being truly relevant in space colonization

>>690988843
>Soyuz has never tried to go to the moon
>???

>>690990711
Very interested in SpaceX for example. Will be cool to see what their heavy launcher does. Blue Origin is producing cool shit too, besides their tiny micropenis rocket.

Other countries are making progress as well, but not in the private sector afaik.

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>>690990108
>we probably won't live to see it

I would expect not, unless the plot is advancing somewhere without our knowledge, but can you imagine what a glorious day to be the first people in an alien star system? On an alien planet orbiting an alien star? It's more than most people can probably appreciate. What fantastic possiblities await with interstellar travel.

Maybe when something better than mankind evolves from the best of our best, in some far future.

>>690990920
It would mean we can survive much longer as a species. If pride is all you have, that's something to invest in.

>>690990920
>Maybe when something better than mankind evolves from the best of our best, in some far future.

That'll change the laws of physics...

>>690990414
Its not what they found when they got thare, its what they developed and made getting there, also why hasnt anybody gone to the moon since? Because its not easy. Also, NASA has taken High res photos of nearly every major body in our solar system, flew past and landed on them too, so getting into space was the easiest part

>>690988843

The moon is limited in potential scientific value. I mean yes, geologists have lots of stuff they would like better answers to regarding the moon but nothing that is going to justify the expense of the trip.

>>690991170
I appreciate that it wasn't easy, but you have to admit it was all politics.

>why hasnt anybody gone to the moon since?

Because there's nothing there worth the costs and risks of getting there and back, right?


I mean, OK, let's just be honest for a second. Technology to explore and colonize the ocean floor would be 10 times.. no, a hundred thousand times more applicable, useful, and reasonable, than some random moon rock base baloney.

Honestly, I always figures the space race to be a clever way for the governments to perfect their rocket technology without diverting from the defense budget, increasing the effective budget, and gaining wide popular support for it at the same time.

>>690991170
That's the argument for private industry. We know how to get shit into space. We are very good at it. Now let's do it for cheap on an industrial level.

>>690991416
Part of the talk of private enterprise is getting scaled up to the point where celestial bodies can be mined for resources. Usually this is limited to asteroids though.

The moon's value would be as a habitat off the planet with lower gravity and easy access to the further reaches of space. If such a thing can be self-sustaining then it means no longer fighting the Earth's gravity to get things up and down.

>>690991674
If you can lift a man to the moon, you can lift a nuke of any size to any location on the planet.

>>690991130
>That'll change the laws of physics...

More like change our current primitive and imperfect MODELS of the laws of physics.

Last I checked, there's no unified field theory anywhere that completely explains all physical behavior and properties of matter under all possible circumstances.

>>690991674
The way to Mars is through a Moon colony, you need to test equipment, maneuvers, and generally how to do things. Also, there could be oil on the moon for all we know, its not about the reasoning, its about the discovery.

>>690991829

Sure, but that's not something you just make a single trip to it for, which is what anon was saying about the russians never having gone to the moon. Moon base would be a massive operation requiring years of planning ahead of time and lots of data collecting on its feasibility and potential benefit.

>>690991829
Helium-3 on the Moon is of significant economic importance

>>690992394
I don't know, But you cannot, scientifically, 100% say that there isnt oil on the Moon.
also it was an example to prove a point, Of course there isn't oil on the Moon

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>>690992185
Oil isn't likely. Raw materials, yes.

>>690992306
Didn't realize Helium 3 was on it. I know they suspect Uranium deposits are present.

>>690992276
Russians absolutely tried. They failed so spectacularly that the program wasn't public until the USSR dissolved. See Pic Related. American spy photo showing the aftermath of one of the largest man-made non-nuclear explosions to ever created.

>>690992885
The Moons core is Dino Jizz...

Prove me wrong...

xD

>>690992885
There's a ton of it on the Moon, the Apollo astronauts confirmed it

http://fti.neep.wisc.edu/research/he3

>>690993405
That's awesome, didn't know. Thanks for sharing.

My brother is a neutron physicist. He'd give a nut for He3.

>>690987423
Russian rockets carried an air mix for the cosmonauts to breathe, whereas USA carried oxygen, so Russian rockets were bigger.

Also, Russian were designed to land on land, not at sea.

>>690987835
They are old tech but far superior to anything that was or currently is on the market.

Is very close to no longer being true, but still...

>>690992306
Its not, its easier to make then it is to harvest from the moon and send back...

its a curiosity, nothing more

at best it will be used to fuel a rocket from the moon to another location, but doubtful since it would be cheaper to bring the fuel to a space fuel depot and refuel there.

>>690988843
If the Lunnahaud didn't count, then we also never been to mars.

>>690992306
This is how you get moon Nazis

>>690988692
Who the fuck said anything about NASA? The private companies have rockets that are far superior than anything they have.

>>690994494
>Its not, its easier to make then it is to harvest from the moon and send back
That's the first I've ever heard of that

>>690995289
Lol oh yeah? Are they? How much space exploration do they have? Oh yeha.....wait a minute.....weird....yep they dont

>>690987423
Because they have 1/3 the reliability at 1/10th the price.
Also, because Russia can't into cost cutting to eliminate government waste and corruption.

>>690995480
>implying rockets are only used for space exploration

>>690995480
>how much space exploration do they have

it's how many space exploration do they have, dumbass

tell me more about Russia landed used rockets like SpaceX, tell me more about Russian landing men on the moon multiple times, tell me more about Russia landing SUV sized rovers on Mars..

>>690995367
then read more scientific papers instead of pop culture "buzzfeed" shite