>>690891269
....what?

>>690891269
Didn't God kill a shit load of egyptian babies or some shit because muh jews

>>690891269
Hahah I love these bait threads...

If there was a God, why did Hitler exists? Why was there world wars, why are there people starving all over the world? And why hasn't it revealed itself to us?

>>690891269

Atheists can kill as many infants as they please without worrying about a divine (as in, non human) retribution, yes.

The thing is, pretty much every atheist you see is currently killing as many basbies as they please, which is zero.

You're implying that the only reason religious people don't kill babies is because they're afraid of what will happen to them after death, which honestly tells you more about the lack of moral fibre inhabiting religious people than it does atheists.

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>>690891728
this guy gets it

>>690891728

The only reason you don't kill people you disagree with is because you life a life of fear, foolishly rejecting a life of love.

>>690891269
Only little kids need the threat of punishment in order to understand why they shouldnt do something obviously harmful to others. Any normal human being over the age of five understands that hurting other people is wrong and you shouldnt do it because we have empathy. We're pack animals nigger, social animals that need to be civil to each other to survive, no need for creepy daddy issues with a made up man in the sky waiting to burn you forever if you break his arbitrary rules.

>>690891269
The crusades?
Inquisition?
The holocaust was carried out by christians.

>Hurr durr hypothetical infants

No but please carry on

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>>690891269
>Theists could simply kill ten thousand infants for no reason and they shouldnt feel bad about it because they get a free trip to heaven.
>No wonder theism is such a fucked up masterplan and you degenerates are falling for it.
Fixed it for you, faggot

>>690892635

There are mudslime preachers right now talking about how killing fags is the "compassionate" thing to do because it frees them from being fags

That is literally some Warhammer 40K "Suffer not the mutant to live" shit.

Meanwhile atheists generally don't give a fuck as long as you're not blowing each other in public

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>>690891269

Believing the only reason anyone has morality is fear of punishment by God is why you lose. Good day sir.

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>>690891269
Consider the following

>>690891705

I used to have questions like these when i was 16 man ...

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>>690891269
God damnit! Fuck off with this shit

>>690893129
>That is literally some Warhammer 40K "Suffer not the mutant to live" shit.

I would have said that's some Nazi eugenics shit, i.e. life unworthy of life. But I guess I'm from an old generation. Let's go with the Warhammer thing.

>>690892324
Once you start thinking like that, you start thinking that outsiders are fair game, that retards and leeches are fair game, etc

Without christian morals what's stopping people from sterilizing idiots, incinerating downies, and exterminating niggers? Nothing!

We need christian morals.

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>>690891705

Devil's advocate, god gave everyone free will, for his amusement or for whatever reason. Therefore people can choose to be evil, hence Hitler exists.
God doesn't really care, because he has offered you eternal life in paradise. So he doesn't give a shit if you are suffering on earth, if you die, if your children die, etc. Life on earth is a proving ground where your actions over 80 years reveals what kind of person you are, and determines your fate for the next 80 billion+ years. Sounds fucked up, but God made the game, so he made the rules.

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>>690894748

Tell it to Japan, China, or any pre-christian society, like Romans, babylonians, etc. They sill had some morality. Because it is innate in (most) of us. Either from nature or god, your choice.

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>>690894843
That is one fucked up god.
At least most humans have good morals.

>>690895237
Innate morality makes exceptions. It also extends beyond what it "should", so you'll end up valuing the life of an untrained, disposable dog over a random hobo as long as it's fucking cute.

If everyone was an atheist we'd have a world of kitten-savers that also strangled niggers for fun because they barely look human to non-niggers.

Where the fuck are spiderman and desu for fuck sake? Fucking lazy assholes not doing their jobs.

>>690895483
Again, I'm being devil's advocate. But if God created people and gave them life, that would seem to give him a lot of latitude on what he does to us. Drowns us all, give us eternal paradise, whatever. It's like property rights.
To me it brings up a larger question, does a being owe you its fealty, just because of the fact you created it? This is a fundamental question of religion.

>>690894748
As if Christians don't separate people into saved, and the outsiders... Then they hope their god makes all the outsiders suffer a terrible fate.

>>690896085
What if god lied about creating us just to be a dick

>oh yeah dudes i made you
>swear your souls to me, it's not like i need to eat them to stay in existence or anything
>remember, strong, i mean evil, souls taste the worst, i mean, go to hell, so keep good community morals and remember that you are mere sheep in the flock

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>>690896085
Yes, that is true. But it would still be a totally fucked up god. Like a parent that rapes his children. We put those types away.

>>690895802

Atheists aren't running around killing other races and fags. Theists are. Example Orlando. Because their morality is that God sets morality, and God says kill the other races, fags, and other non believers. Because they barely look human to theists.
Check and mate.

>>690891269
Dennis Rader, the BTK killer, probably one of the worst , evilest people to ever live, a devout christian, EXPLAIN

>>690891269
Who is the girl in the picture

All anons: please sage this to the bottom

>>690896373
and the exodus never happened

the jews are famous for making up stories of persecution

>>690896630
if the god isn't real and is a human creation, it's just a proxy justification for preexisting behaviour like fedora'd atheists have their shaky "logical morality" that ultimately rests on a set of unprovable assumptions like "human nature exists and is consistent across all humans". "intelligence is an objective measure of a life's worth", and "objectivity exists"

>>690896373
That is where the fealty question breaks down, because parents create children, but that doesn't mean the parents can tell the children what to do all their lives. Because we recognize the children at some point have a right of self determination. Of course, some would say the reason parents don't have the right, is because God is the ultimate creator of the children who trumps the creation rights of the parents, and according to god each child has a soul and should have free will over his own life.

>>690896928
Never-ending story

>>690891269
why does dying or not affect whether something matters or not? Why does something mattering cosmically change whether something matters or not? Seems arbitrary.

>>690891269
I only bang Christian infants to death because they always give me both cheeks.

>>690891269
>Atheists could simply kill ten thousand infants for no reason and they shouldnt feel bad about it because you cease to exist after death and you will not be punished?

And yet they probably would feel bad about it, even while holding those beliefs. Why?

>>690891269
I thought you killed yourself?

>>690897297
The point is that humans have higher morals than whatever god you are thinking of, and being the 'creator' of the game doesn't make that god any less immoral.

>>690897053
>the exodus never happened

None of the shit in those old storybooks actually happened. The Jews aren't the only story tellers.

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>>690898005
It would seem that way to us. Because we have the idea that it is wrong to kill people, but God gets to kill us and its not wrong. So seems we have the higher morality.
But God has an out because he grants eternal paradise. So why should it be bad morality for him to kill your kids, if it means he is transporting them to paradise?
But, condemning someone to eternal hell for millions of years for actions they took over a few decades does seem cruel and immoral, especially when God is being all cryptic, cloak & dagger, and shit about whether he exists and what he wants us to do. Like being thrown in prison for breaking the law when you can't even get a look at what the laws are, just some people's idea of what might be the law. To punish based on that is fucked up; I have a hard time trying to come up with a devil's advocate position for that.

>>690891269
bumping one of the most successful posts in all for 4chan history. truly kekic.

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>>690892324
>Only little kids need the threat of punishment in order to understand why they shouldnt do something obviously harmful to others
So how do you explain the millions of adult felons in the US alone?
>man in the sky
How do you know what God looks like?
Let me guess, nigbro...is He white, too? Did he steal yo moneys?

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>>690892581
>The holocaust was carried out by christians.
This is the level of education worldwide.
The guy who hated Jews actually worshipped one!1!
Dumbass.

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>>690893129
>Meanwhile atheists generally don't give a fuck as long as you're not blowing each other in public
Atheists are in control. How's that working out?
Pic very related.

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>>690897297
>and according to god each child has a soul and should have free will over his own life.
That's not in the Bible.
Misquoting God? Bad boy.

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>>690899716
>but God gets to kill us and its not wrong.
Who do you know that God killed?
Is /b/ just pure autism now?

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>>690891269
Catholics could simply kill ten thousand infants for no reason and they shouldn't feel bad about it because you just have to say you are sorry to a priest and you will not be punished?

No wonder Catholicism is Satan's masterplan and you degenerates are falling for it.

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Yeah...take it, bitches...all the way in...

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>>690902166
>you just have to say you are sorry to a priest and you will not be punished?
No.
But you should get your knowledge of religion from television, then base your life beliefs on it.
Dumbass.

1 Samuel 15:2-3
This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.

>>690902376

Oh, sorry, forgot something, thanks.

Catholics could simply kill ten thousand infants for no reason and they shouldn't feel bad about it because you just have to say you are sorry to a priest, pay some money and you will not be punished?

No wonder Catholicism is Satan's masterplan and you degenerates are falling for it.

And since I lived all my life in one of the most devoted catholic apostolic roman countries in the world, I've got a pretty close knowledge about what Christianity is truly about. Or do you truly believe that the merchants would allow a hippie like Jesus to throw them out of the temple?

>>690891269
who is that. no reason in particular

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>>690902548
Some people can't be saved.
If you could take out a gang that killed for fun and profit, would you not do it?
Plus, they got food for weeks.
Maybe you're just stupid?

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>>690902813
>you just have to say you are sorry to a priest, pay some money and you will not be punished?
Wrong again.
Damn, son. You are not smart.

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>>690902813
>And since I lived all my life in one of the most devoted catholic apostolic roman countries in the world
Apparently, you also have had stupid shoved into your mouth your whole life, because you know what that's about too.
>merchants would allow a hippie like Jesus to throw them out of the temple?
Businessmen always close up shop when a rampaging mob of yo brothas show up.

>>690903314
Ok, prove then you sustain your opinion on something else that the "ad-hominem" fallacy.

>>690903479
I've lived in a catholic society all my life and studied in catholic schools until 14 y.o. but I'm not catholic, I'm not even baptised, I haven't received my first communion, I'm not confirmed in christianity.

So I know how it works, but I didn't played their game.

>>690903647
>prove then you sustain your opinion
What?
Of course I keep my opinion unless new facts come in.
What you said was retarded.

>>690904105
>So I know how it works
No. You don't.
It was a wrong opinion based on pop culture atheism.

>>690904999
Ok, so I ask you to prove your opinion and you choose to hide it, at least old time trolls tried.

>>690905073
Dude, I've seen the price lists handed by the priest himself to marry, baptise, do a preach and the rest of the services.

This is how it works, it's a business. They have their own bank: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_for_the_Works_of_Religion
And I'm friend with some Altar boys (although here their are usually older than boys) and they told me some stories.
So, I do have some insight of how it works internally, not just how they like to look like or how others want them to look like.

>>690905772
>their are
*they are

>>690891269
On the contrary.
Religious need the fear of god to stop them from doing it.

>>690894843
That would be OK, except Christians made their God omniscient, so he knew the outcome from the onset. The free will they espouse is non-existant.

Unless, of course, their God created humans with the ability to exceed his omniscience, in which case he can't be omnipotent.

Legacy of Kain was a great series of games btw.

op is a dumb cunt

>>690905073
As an ex-catholic I can confirm he's right, regarding forgiveness for everything if you ask, and do your Act of Contrition. And a donation never hurt. 10,000 deaths would be a lot of Hail Marys, but no hurdle. Blaspheming or rejecting the Holy Spirit was the one unforgivable sin.

>>690896085

I don't "own" my children, get to decide their fate or am ultimately apathetic as to what course their life takes or how they end up. The gods of most world religions purportedly do. The fact of the matter is that believers apply a different set of moral standards to what they consider to be acceptable behavior for their god than they do for themselves or other human beings across the world, simply because they see others do this and are taught that this is the way. All prior, mind you, to having any sort of tangible evidence that god exists. Instead of seeking or producing said evidence, they busy themselves with making their narratives supposedly insular (e.g.: suffer not the unbeliever to live, the unbelievers will be cast to the flames for eternity, only a fool in his heart believes there is no god, ...) to requests to demonstrate the existence of their god or even any of their supernatural claims and stories so that it would make sense to skeptics to follow their edicts.

>>690905772
>Ok, so I ask you to prove your opinion and you choose to hide it,
No, you just missed it because you wanted to.
>Dude, I've seen the price lists handed by the priest himself
You said you're a foreigner, from a shithole. Maybe they did.
Maybe that's why your country is a shithole.
Because that was not 'priest'.

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>>690906046
You're both wrong and stupid.
Surprise.

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>>690906859
No. You have to be sincere.
If you're going to commit the sin anyway, you wouldn't be forgiven.
If a priest did forgive you anyway, that's not a priest.
Just because it's a church, doesn't mean that God expects you to follow blindly. He gave proofs to his followers many times. Blind faith was never asked.
Even Jesus expected you to know that. He taught the OT, and His followers were assumed to know it, too.

>>690892251
>life a life

Religious people make me glad i'm not one of them.

I've never met a mentally sound, intelligent and kind hearted Christian and i've met many, including family members.

>>690891269
Genuine question for ya, matey...

If god is truly omnipotent, why does he wait until you're dead to punish you? Why doesn't he stop the bad actions before they're committed?
Why does he allow the 40-something pedo to rape the little, 12-year-old girl and then wait, what?...20~40 years?...before he gets around to punishing the rapist?

Why is your god so fucking worthless?

>>690907985
>and i've met many, including family members
Your gene pool is defective. They are like you, and no one else likes them, either.
>everyone hates me!11! it's not me, it's everyone else!111!!!!
Occam's razor, kid. The simplest explanation is usually correct.

>>690908106
>Why doesn't he stop the bad actions before they're committed?
This is such a dumb question.
Imagine if God were out in the open every day. Why would anyone achieve anything? What would be the point? You highest peak would be nothing. It will have all been done. It'd be like Africans being proud because they invented the wheel last week.
Think before you post.

>>690894748
> Without christian morals

Do you mean the same "morals" that were used by Southern US congressman to rationalize and legalize slavery? The same morals that influenced public executions by stoning, burning, or lynching? The same morals that lead to the drastic decline in scientific knowledge and progress, a decline that plunged the western world into hundreds of years of ignorance and fear?

Those the morals you're talkin' 'bout, anon?

>>690906906
So where you live is the ONLY civilized country in the world.
As I said, trolls used to try.

>>690908356
> conflating human accomplishment with god preventing evil people from doing bad things

You've done nothing but dodge the question. If I ask, "Why doesn't god prevent bad people from doing bad things.", you're not answering the question by saying, "What point would there be to try to achieve great things if god were out there every day?"

It's like if I asked the ice cream vendor if he had chocolate, and he responded, "What's the point of bicycles if we have cars?"

> Think before you post.

Sage advice, anon. Perhaps you should heed it. ;)

>>690891269
Its called abortion

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fgt pls