>>690802386
What's the benefit of leaving aside from being free from the free movement of labor?

Voting out, send em back.

Make Britian great again.

>>690802816when you vote it actually counts and your parties views are reflected in national government rather than some european idiots making laws for ther interests not Britians

You always get vote-bait fear mongering in the final days. Same thing happened with the last general election, it's a fact of life. Just ignore it and vote with what you agree.

>ranting on an anonymous image board
>about how autistic OTHER people are

I don't know
One one hand I don't want my streets overrun with Sandniggers and uneducated Slavs
But at the same time I don't want the pound to fluxuate like a fishing boat in a storm,
Help me out here.

>>690803643
>when you vote it actually counts and your parties views are reflected in national government
The current prime minister said he would reduce immigration by 50% during his first term and if he didn't he'd step down, it doubled. The idea that any individual vote "counts" is ridiculous especially when small towns votes are tallied against larger cities near to them meaning the votes have 10% or less of the voting power of the cities. You prefer one civil service cunt providing you with your laws instead? With 0 oversight and 0 ability to over turn them? I get you want fewer immigrants and you're trying your best to come up with other points but the only difference with being out is more expensive access to EU markets and 50,000 per year fewer immigrants. You also get that this will cause a new scottish independance referendum because scotland needs access to those markets to export and import goods cheaply, right?

>>690804391
Brexit would barely change the imigration policies, plus you can't just start deporting people so those already here are guarenteed atleast their current term of citizenship

>>690802816
You really haven't read up enough by now to make your mind up, i fear this is the kind of thing that will make a lot of people just vote in for the sake of it

>>690804105
It's hard to do when they shit post it fucking everywhere

>>690805327
Then please give me some direction on how being out will benefit me as an individual.

>>690804239
When it comes to a political debate about an entire country's future posting pictures of cats to get people to vote in is about as autistic as you can get.

>>690804636
This is something i fear, i hear the vote for in and out will be tallied over 12 county's and done from that, it should just be a straight up higher or lower number vote

>>690804662
True but you can deport those who no longer have the right or never did to be in the country.

Just use BBC 'Reality check'
The leave side are talking shit. It's all on the site.

There is no point in an argument with these vote leave neanderthals.

>>690802816
>Your tax money stays in UK
>Your law is superior than EU law
>You can impose immigration, security law
>You can freely set duties and tax rates (In EU you can't do it absolutely freely)
>You don't have to stick to EU policies like a common agrary policy, enviromental policies, political beliefs policies
>Free to set own import/export policies with Russia and China
>Don't have to stick with enviromental limits, hunting limits, fishing limits, so on.

And many more

>>690805488
As much as i want to why should i spend my time doing that, you have had months to read up and watch political broadcasts about it to make your mind up if you're to lazy to do that then i would question your ability to even bother to read what i would put so im not going to type, just watch these.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq72f81kkM4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTMxfAkxfQ0

>>690806191
>BBC
Do you know of any unbiased sources on this topic?

>>690806191
So what you're trying to say that all the shit the in voters have been saying is 100% truth and not one bit warped to convince people to vote in.

>>690805926
Technically yes, logistically probably not.
With the appeal process as it is, even if they did start 'cracking' down on illegal immigration and expired citizenship, those involved would be able to remain here for years during the appeal, and then only IF the outcome if just, would they then BEGIN the deportation process.

Don't get me wrong, I'm voting out, it's just not going to be a exciting as people want it to be, sadly.

>>690806347
I have watched the Brexit movie and it scared the shit out of me that people would believe any of the shit they showed. Because there were 0 sources

>>690806515
I don't need to say anything when the facts do it all for me.

>>690806526
I don't think it will either but at least we will have a choice in that and many many other things as well .

>>690804239
It's quite handy, because it's anonymous.
People can write here without fear of being socially excluded or scrutinized, only called a faggot by some other anonymous poeple.

>>690806379
No source is ever truly unbiased. But the BBC are the closest thing to it.

>>690806620
Okay so despite the fact that they got in top political figures, had interviews with huge businesses and traveled to the country's in question you still think they would have just spent all that money on making the movie with out fact checking a single thing.

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>Shoot MP Jo Cox
>Arrested
>judge asks your name
>Yell "Death to traitors freedom for Britain"
>nationalism intensifies!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGrxHO-B2TY

>>690806738
Correct, my views exactly.
It's not going to make things magically perfect, but atleast whatever is wrong will be our problem to fix, and not debated by politicians that have never set foot in England before.

The EU has brought in some good things (working time directive) but at the same time we could have adopted that policy ourselves anyway. I'd rather things take alittle longer if the result is it's actually our own countries decision to something.

>>690806738
Since when have you had a choice? The laws the civil service puts into place? The choice of having more than 2 political parties to choose from? The choice of having tax and duty changed? You have never had any of these things, they have always been decided for you. The only thing you're doing by pushing this "LEAVE ITS FOR OUR SOVEREIGNTY!" rhetoric is gimping our trade in the EU. Which may not seem important now but when food and utility prices go up you'll know.

>>690802386
Well the remain campaign is full of liberal, retarded students and rose-tinted spectacle wearers. It is no surprise that they foolishly believe that pictures of cats and shit will work.

It will be so close. I'll be gutted if Leave lose but it still seems like the likely scenario. People get scared in the ballot box.

>>690802386
>On the other hand i have yet to see the leave party coming up with anything as pathetic as this to attempt to "convince" people to stay in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulkh10sSmVE

xD

>>690807140
Im not one for conspiracys but i have a feeling jo cox was a false flag, why would a guy that killed a woman, stabbed a man that tried to help just bow down and surrender to the cops with out a fight. besides that before it happened the out vote was set and was higher then all of a sudden some guy comes out of nowhere and does something that could have turned the tide of the entire vote.

>>690806978
>But the BBC are the closest thing to it.
Take this shit to the ylyl thread.

>>690807557
That isn't a video from the Leave campaign.

>>690802386
you're not looking hard enough faggot

>>690807140
But in which accent?

>>690807411
Not now but i have a feeling partys they actually want to stand for the people will rise and things will change, in the eu we have less choice over things then out so just leaving is a hugh choice for the people to make that covers a massive amount of things.

>>690802386

holy shit, autist detected

>>690802816

leaving wouldn't guarantee an end to the free movement of labour.

accessing the single market like Norway or Switzerland would entail agreeing to the same freedom of movement as is currently the case but with fuck all further say in the matter.

also, for the record, both the aforementioned countries have higher levels of immigration than the UK.

The Cameron Initiative - solve your internal party bickering by unnecessarily throwing the whole continent of Europe into economic and political instability, right at the time an apolalyptic death has taken control of swathes of the middle east and is trying to start World War III. What a fucking idiot. I'll be voting remain.

>>690807649
not a false flag, thats what americans do , was just a mentally disturbed man , influenced by the countries discussion and current events.

>>690808111
> i have a feeling partys
people like you shouldnt be allowed to vote

>>690808502
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do any of you faggots even know that a leave vote only means we invoke article 50 and have a 2 year discussion with all other EU member states then have to choose a model based on Switzerland , Norway or an EEC agreement, all of which still have to pay into the EU and have freedom of movement.....the ignorance is astounding..

>>690808624
economic upheaval should be higher in your considerations than a "feeling"

>>690802386
my country hasn't done any of this shit
you're welcome

>>690808624
"If you use 'I feel' in any assignment, I will throw your paper in the trash, and you're getting a zero." -- best teacher ever

>>690808795
Yes, but we don't have to choose a model based on any of those, and we don't have to make an eec agreement.

>>690809091
But thats bullshit anon , yes you do , those are the only legal options, you will not be able to pass any other legislation in any other form.

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>tfw Sun readers are allowed to vote

>>690809243
But no its not, and the eec can be ignored if an agreement is not made with in 2 years.

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>>690808795
>>690807662
>>690806620
>>690806526
>>690806379
>>690806339
Daily reminder , you are being misled.

>>690809482
should be
>tfw in voters are allowed to vote

>>690809091
To be fair, that's probably what will end up happening.

But if does happen, people who want something different can fight for what they want.

>>690809607
you believe an agreement wont be made in 2 years after crippling austerity from consecutive governments and international influence, you are deluded to the absolute extreme.

>>690809814
It will be the people of the country that should be making the agreements

>>690809871
>spot the in voter
Can't stop fear mongering can you, you do know that you don't have to be an eu member to trade with country's in the eu and leaving the eu will open doors to other trade agreements the eu has blocked from other country's.

>>690809957
LOL, No honestly please go look at the models I stated previously.
>>690808795
if you believe that you are genuinely dumber than I initially gave you credit for.

>>690803419
Impossible with the tories in..

>>690810195
Oh Im not an In voter, the dichotomy is very much the same, except im not deluded into believing an out vote is the be all and end all of our legislative problems.

>>690810195
It's incredibly obvious you've never tried shipping to a country outside of the EU.

>>690810473
Looks like the eu has never tried it either.

>>690806191
This.

Leave have been talking shit since the beginning. Doesn't matter though, die hard leavers won't listen.

>>690810195
believing other countries will trade with us over the power houses of china india and japan. ho ho ho ho ho.

>>690809957
As long as they aren't being mislead by Hitler or Merkel (& whatever else). Which is why in the US the Framers gave citizens the ability to fight for themselves if it were to happen.

>>690810645
Believing other country's wont jump at the chace to trade with a country that would be much more open to trade with then the eu is

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>Boris Johnson actually being taken seriously by a large percentage of the population

>>690810888
>Hitler or Merkel
One stood up for his people and made his country great again, the other let in hundreds of thousands of rapefuges, Please don't compare the two.

>>690811069
People believe the truth and will believe a man that stands for his country not for his bank balance.

>>690810645
Someimes it's cheaper for smaller countries to produce things. There's a term for it, but I don't remember what that's called.

>>690810195

> he thinks that we can negotiate trade with any EU country without the EU having a say

Jesus christ you are one stupid motherfucker.

I assume you're also ignorant of the fact that any trade agreements that we've made with other countries have been made with the EU's involvement, and that we would need to renegotiate ALL trade agreements?

It goes without saying, I suppose, that you're blissfully unaware of the fact that we face the prospect of entirely rewriting UK law since it is currently deeply entwined in EU law? That we'll have to devolve much of the process to unelected government officials, and fuck knows what'll happen then?

There's a difference between fear mongering and being acutely aware of the literal, unavoidable repercussions of carrying out an act of such monumental stupidity that it genuinely makes me question democracy as a whole.

Go vote leave if you want. Remain will win regardless. Even if leave wins, Remain will still win because a referendum isn't legally binding and the government will just make it go away, so fuck you.

>>690811069
He does play the bumbling fool, but I think he's an intelligent chap. He's widely accepted as a good mayor of London.

I don't even think he truly thinks we should leave. He's just picked the side he thought was going to win to have a go at leader of the conservatives.

>>690811502
I don't think he said that, he clearly said you do know that you dont have to be an eu member to trade with country's in the eu. You're twisting his words against him and in your favor.

>>690811348
>believe a man that stands for his country not for his bank balance.
>implying

kek. Boris Johnson never had to worry about his bank balance anyway. He models himself on his hero Churchill and wants to further his career and legacy.

>>690811570

The amount of shit that he's said in the last couple of months that has DIRECTLY CONTRADICTED stuff he said four or five months ago should scare anyone.

He wants power, and he's not too good to lie directly to the British people to get it. What's scary is that he fumbled and whoops'd his way there, and people eat it up.

Voting Remain. And looking like they'll win.
Forget the polls, it's all about the betting odds, and they're swinging to 80% likely for an In vote.
Kinda looking forward to all the dumbasses and old fuckers losing their shit on Friday.
After all this talk of home the EU isn't democratic (it is), I wonder how many will reject a democratic referendum result?

>>690811502
>Even if leave wins, Remain will still win because a referendum isn't legally binding and the government will just make it go away, so fuck you.

I can't imagine that not ending in mass rioting.

>>690812150
more then 50% in the polls means 80% odds...doesn't make sense.

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>>690811502
>so fuck you
kek. Why didn't the politicians on the debate at Wembley today finish their statements with that?

>>690811861
Churchill was one of the ideological founders of the EU. He actually wanted to go further, proposing a United States of Europe model.

>>690811712

How exactly did I twist his words?

The fact is that if we are to negotiate trade with any country in the EU, the EU gets involved. Do you think the EU are going to let us leave, waltz back in and get anywhere near as good a deal again?

Boy, are you in for a shock.

>>690812101
Yeah, I agree totally.

Dunno if I've ever said that on 4chan before.

I meant: fuck you faggit get wrekt Boris for president

>>690811651
>Forget the polls, it's all about the betting odds, and they're swinging to 80% likely for an In vote.

We fucking better stay in, the amount I've already bet on the Remain campaign.

Oh, and <70.5% turnout. Wasn't confident enough to make a more specific bet than that.

>>690812228
The bookes are only interested in the result, not the actual percentage of people voting for that result.
So the odds are saying it's an 80% chance of remain getting anything over 50%.

>>690812165

You've met British people, right?

It'll take a lot more than that to incite mass rioting.

>>690812229

Cause they're not as good at persuasive shit as me :^)

>>690812261
We have Union of European Socialist Republic instead.
They even named government with the same manner, as "comissars" as ministers. They are undemocratic too.

>>690811348
>a man that stands for his country not for his bank balance

He's after the PM gig. That's the only reason he's thrown his lot in with Out.

>>690812498

These are strange times.

>>690812593
Right but that still makes no sense, almost every poll i have seen has been either 50/50 or pro leave so how the fuck do they get 80% from 50/50 odds.

>>690811069
Wow that's a sexy orange man. We have one in the US too.

>>690812228
Leave voters feel more passionately about leaving so more likely to do the polls. They're also more likely to be vocal and rattle their sabres because they're pissed off.

Most people voting remain don't give a fuck about the EU, it's shit, but it's better than the alternative.

Look at the Scottish referendum, consistently high polls for leaving then they voted remain.

>>690805817
>it should just be a straight up higher or lower number vote
and how would that work?

>>690802386
In fact, I'm voting out just out of curiosity what happens.
You know, just tip the first domino tile, because it can't be worse. No 90's worse, I still would have food, internet, and a car.

>>690813154
Right so in the last election a lot of fuss was made about the ukip vote, they had 3rd highest votes just only got 1 seat, i fear that the same sort of voting system will be put in place to keep us in.

>>690809653

Replace the cow with the NHS, UK government wants TTIP, leaving the EU will remove the countries genuinely opposed to it.

>>690813099
yeah i don't understand that with scotland, tbh its the undecided that will make it up and i feel that unfortunately they will vote in just because they think things will keep being the same.

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>>690802386
The leave campaign don't need to stoop to such pathetic levels of desperation as the facts speak for themselves... and just wait until Greece default again in August, a third bailout paid for by UK taxpayers!
I am slightly worried that all of the brainwashed facebook drones will still vote in just because David Beckham says they should
Save the UK... Vote Leave :D

>>690813099
>Leave voters feel more passionately about leaving so more likely to do the polls. They're also more likely to be vocal and rattle their sabres because they're pissed off.

Pretty much. I'm seeing Vote Leave and UKIP posters all over yet nothing from Remain, just because they don't see the referendum as the big fucking MUH SOVEREIGNTY deal that Brexittors do and are (hopefully) just going to go out and vote.

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http://www.strawpoll.me/10549143

Strawpoll gentlemen.

>>690812961

It's the chance of it being one result over the other, not the actual number of the result itself. If the actual expected result is even marginally in favour of remain, the odds of remain winning rise rapidly.

Say the bookies knew that the result would be no less than 60:40 in favour of remain; they would give odds of 1:1, because anything over 50:50 is a guaranteed win, whether it's 50.01 or 99.999. Get it?

>>690811069

That is the biggest brainfuck of all this campaign, not Farage's promise that Remain=Rape, not Corbyn sitting on the sidelines twiddling his thumbs, but Boris 'pickininny' Johnson who quite openly hates the poor and wants to kill the NHS is being seen as the voice of the people.

>>690813783
Funny i have seen the opposite, i have seen more vote in people out of the street then vote out and more posts about remaining in yet more comments about coming out.

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>>690813311
It'll probably be fine whichever way we vote anon. Then we can go back to having a nice cup of tea, and let this all blow over.

>>690813891
Tell me a prominent figure from the remain campaign who isn't just an equally rich, power grabbing fuck.

>>690813099

This. But even factoring that in, I think Leave is ahead.

>>690813447
>i fear that the same sort of voting system will be put in place to keep us in.

Surely it's just going to be a simple tallying up of Yes/No votes, same as the AV referendum?

>>690812961
Because they know that saying something to a pollster is one thing, actually going and voting is another entirely. Pollsters have no vested interest in any particular result, they just aim to give a representation of what people tell them. Bookies however have a huge vested interest, as it makes them money. So they put considerable resource and know how into determining what a result will be.

next dubs decides what i vote

>>690813741
>just wait until Greece default again in August, a third bailout paid for by UK taxpayers!

*Only* the UK taxpayers, right?

>>690814166
enjoy being flooded with germanys rapfuges

>>690814170

They're all rich, power grabbing fucks but Boris is the only one getting his dick sucked by a worryingly high amount of voters.

>>690814131
That's interesting. Maybe it's probably a regional thing.

I live in a village in Norfolk and there is one solitary vote leave sign.

>>690814232
Indeed. But if it is Remain, I guarantee that the paranoid batshit tinfoil hat UKIP racist brigade will call foul and remain (heh) convinced that it was a fix. Because they have very little contact with reality.

>>690813741
>I am slightly worried that all of the brainwashed facebook drones will still vote in just because David Beckham says they should

Having all these footballers come out in support of Remain is almost as embarrassing as the cat hashtag thing.

>>690814232
i thought that would happen in the last vote too, in this one its the uk, ireland and gibraltar voting and the uk is split into i think 12 voting blocks.

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>>690814282
Your country needs you anon
Vote Out

>>690802386
I'm a lefty and I'm voting out.

>>690813741
I'd rather we had a referendum on whether or not to kick Greece out of the EU. Lazy, tax dodging bastards sitting about in the sun. They need a large group of Germans to go over and sort them out.

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>>690814483
>>690814131
>>690813783
Massive regional variation. Cities and Scotland pro-Remain. Rural England very much pro-Leave.

>>690813447
> Right so in the last election a lot of fuss was made about the ukip vote, they had 3rd highest votes just only got 1 seat, i fear that the same sort of voting system will be put in place to keep us in.

Aw, is this your first politics?

General elections use the 'first past the post' system, which is fundamentally bullshit. We had the chance to replace it with AV (itself a watered down version of PR) but a massive and well funded NO campaign had the prospect shot down quickly.

Referendums aren't multiple choice, so no particular system. They'll count all the votes and see which count is higher.

The thing you should be worried about is the fact that referendums aren't legally binding, and the government can just just not leave if they decide it's best.

>>690814717
We can't Germany sold them so much shit if they left the Germans would be fucked. Welcome to the EU.

>>690810888
I like your trips man

>>690814483
i live in the south east..luckily away from brighton aka cuckton,there are many vote out signs yet not many vote in, down in the south most of brighton is probs going to vote in which would effect out vote.

>>690814949
yeah i live in rural england, and who gives a fucking shit what the scots want.

>>690815218
Fuck the Scots. If they wanted Independence they should have let the English vote too, because we don't want the sponging cunts.

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>>690814382
There is no amount of raping refugees that a nice sit down and a cup of tea can't fix old boy.

T

>>690814988
i never voted the eu is the first time i will and governments dont mean shit as you can elect them out, but i didn't know that that was the way the system worked and its gay to work like that.

>>690815218
The democratic process does. That's kind of the point. Also, a Leave vote could result in the SNP gaining power in the Scottish assembly. We could result in another Scottish referendum, where the Scots would then vote to leave the UK, and rejoin the EU. This would potentially end the UK's nuclear deterrent, which is based in Scotland, which could then result in the UK losing its place on the UN security council, meaning we're a vastly diminished power in the world.

All decisions have consequences.

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>>690814617
exactly my point... unfortunately it seems to be the most obvious and lame tactics that have the biggest impact on both sides.

>>690814862
exactly like this... are people really this naive?

>apparently yes