There is a God
He's the programmer of the matrix

If God is so loving, why does he hurt and threaten people to make the submit to him? that's not love, it's abuse

If God is so loving, why does he send gay people to hell? He created them gay, how can he punish them for that? How can he reward the bigots that abused and bullied them?

>>690494060
You beat me to it

>>690493839
>>690493839
OP started a new gay thread

here's a better one. Man doesn't exist.

Is Man willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him Man?

All baby fondlers are men and women.
All rapists and genocidal maniacs are men and women.
Global warming is accelerated by the planet cancerous profiteering and indiscriminate industry of men and women.

Fuck mankind.

>>690494653
christians are this stupid

>>690494653
you edgy dickhead, it doesnt work like that, because no one claims Man is ommipotent.

>>690494060
>>690494561

Double slit experiment.

I thought the matrix theory was funny hokey shit.... until I read the papers on that up there...

>>690495155
Not to mention that Man isn't of one mind like god is. Some of us are willing, and some aren't.

>>690495646
instead of reading conspiracy papers, you ought to read scientific papers that tell you what's actually happening

>>690494653

There are good dogs and bad dogs. There are good chickens and bad chickens. There are good flowers and bad flowers. There are good elements and bad elements. What the fuck is your point? Wanna be a soldier for christ? Do humanity, and the world, a favor. Start killing the rich. All of em. The people will support you.

>>690495738

The DSE isn't a fucking conspiracy theory. It's called physics... This tangible, measurable thing... Math. Maybe ya heard of it?

God exists. Life has a purpose. God has a purpose. Accept everything the way it is or try to change it. God is watching everything otherwise life would be meaningless. He is allowing pain and suffering because they are part of the "knowledge of good and evil." Don't take the Bible literally. Think outside the box.

How can something come from nothing (Big Bang) unless it has the ability to create itself (God) im not arguing for the possibility of the Abrahamic God. Just a higher being in general that created us all. You cant come from nothing unless you have the ability to create yourself or have always existed. Its not something our brains can comprehend.

>>690496364
the matrix is the conspiracy theory you moron

>>690496571
Suffering is part of God's plan, right? His plan to beat his creations into submission? Fuck him

>>690493839
>op deleted his thread

>>690496364
Lmao, physicists are so high on themselves that they're willing to dispute the universe exists despite it existing in front of them based on theoretical knowledge. There's no god, everything is as it seems, op is still a faggot, the universe isn't as complicated as we all wish it was.

>>690496606
If everything has to come from somewhere then where did god come from?

>>690493839
I dont think any of the leading world religions are right but I feel empty inside when I think of calling myself an atheist. Its like living half of a life. I think Atheists have just given up and have consigned themselves to a miserable existence in the long run.

>>690496847
Here's how you sound:

>I'm too dumb to understand particle behavior so I'm not going to further investigate anything past what I can see lel

>>690493839
who says that god wants to prevent evil?
maybe the evil part is there for a reason, just like the muslims believe that god allows evil because this life is just a test in order for you to go to paradise or hell

>>690497317
The reason is that God hates us

>>690493839
You are both retarded.


God is able, but not willing. That does not make him malevolent.

He has simply endowed us with creation and leaves humans to make their own decisions via free will.

as a result, some stray away from god and choose evil, and they are punished accordingly.

>>690497371
i dont think so but yeah could be
but if so there is nothing we could do about that, bcs he is our creator, and if he wants, he could destroy all of us in the blink of an eye

Prepare for answers line "it may seem illogical, but it is all part of god's plan. So there is no point in questioning why there is harm in earth."

Christians like to make it easy for themselves.

>>690497483
But he wont help me get whatever i want when i ask like and like he lets people die and stuff. hes not real because he lets me be miserable.

>>690497641
He wants you to be miserable so you're easier to control. "God" is an abuser

>>690497483
helping a few people out has nothing to do with free will. are you saying that interfering with rape affects the victims will to be raped?

>>690497641
dude this is not an argument, that holds any point
god is not real because i have a shit life
maybe god defines things diffrent than you
maybe god is testing you, or testing your faith
or giving you a shit life in order to give you a bigger reward in the afterlife
those arguments are so weak, and no matter how hard we try. we cant prove or dissprove god and probably never will

There is no god. If there was however it would either be like the greek god who thought humans were dumb and fucked around with them ir it would be the way it is shown in the cathar religion. In that there is two god, old and new testament, old is evil new is good.

>>690493839

I think Christianity (and religion in general) is more a statement about the human soul than anything else, and in that we're all lonely people on the inside, we all feel guilty in some form or fashion of the things we do, we all need validation etc. That's why some people are so torn after a breakup, that voice that told them they weren't such a piece of shit isn't there anymore.

And then here comes this dude named Jesus and he said "Look, you're all sinners but that's just human nature. We're all sinful creatures. But you know what, that's okay because I forgive you! I love you all no matter what, you just need to accept me into your heart and I'll always be there for you, I'll always love you, and if you ever need anything you know where I am. " Or something of that nature. At least, that's the message I'm getting out of the whole thing. Too bad people feel the need to construe it in such a negative light so often.


For the record, I'm actually not religious.

>>690496645
"Suffering is part of God's plan, right?"
Obviously. Only Satan want to beat you into submission. God doesn't. You are in the matrix. The world is not real, just looks and feels real.

>>690493839
I realize this saying is new to you and other anons here, but it is quite old. This little debate you want to boost your self esteem, has already been hashed out long ago. Like old jokes, it's new to someone young.

>>690497935
Jesus' "love" is just a foot in the door so his followers can manipulate you. "If you really loved him, you wouldn't watch porn. You wouldn't be gay. You would give us more money." Fuck them

>>690498167
That's what I meant about the original message being construed.

>>690498100
We know it's old, we just want to fight about religion for a while

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>>690497871
im not saying anything like that.

My point is, just because evil exists does not mean god doesnt exist or is malevolent. It means God gave us existence, and a set of guidelines, and its up to us to do what we will with it.


If a man chooses to rape a woman, that is his free will choosing to commit that evil act, and if you happen to stumble across that man raping a woman and you beat the shit out of him and let her get away, that is your free will to help her.

God's only responsibility is to judge them when their day comes.

That simple.

>>690498276
nice dubs

>>690498631
and wat happens to the woman who is being raped? her free will is also being infringed upon.

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>>690497483

Who's God is the right God? Why did Jesus wait until 2000 years ago to reveal himself? Why couldn't God be like.. Yo.. from day 1, here it is. ? Why are all the Genesis stories and savior stories so identical? Does everyone who existed before Jesus go straight to hell or do they get a free pass? Or did only Jews get in before that? South Park said only Mormons make it into heaven. What do you think about that? What's penis taste like? If God gave us free will, and in order to better the world, one would have to break a commandment, would the making the world a better place offset the horrible sin? Or is it some Jesus forgives cop-out? At what point is it considered sinning in vain? Do I get like 2 freebies or 3 or more? Just curios.. I molest my dog occasionally. Just wondering if I need to tone it down. I think Jesus was a Buddhist. He went East right? Im sitting in my underwear right now. Wanna see a picture of my anus?

>>690498688
even nicer dubs

>>690497909
God is not real because i have a shit life is the reasoning behind most atheists. God is just a word. People think of God as a person controlling everything. Its not that simple. I think if you live your life and experience as much as possible without devoutly following any religion, it will make sense someday. Theres no help for most of these basement dwelling children of divorce though. But people who have two parents and have been raised with basic morals have a chance of enlightenment.

>>690499055
do you know how unfair that is?

>>690499055

The universe is energy. What you put out you get back. That simple.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fGm_jg45To

checked

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>>690499557

2 and 4 are the bottoms

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>>690498905
Intelligent and wealthy people enjoy poverty porn shows like skint and benefits street in the uk and shows that determine if someones a father of a child or not. This junk tv captivates them, makes them wonder how someone could live in savagery compared to their life. Maybe God is just watching you be a fuck up, the same way rich wealthy people watch fuck ups getting their possessions get repossessed on television. Maybe hes just been watching the stupidity of the human race for 2000 years, like youd play the sims and watch them on free play and get into scrapes, occasionally making things worse for the lulz.I dont blame Him.

>>690499817
I do

>>690498905
read the quran to get an answer to those question
its funny how you guys defend your standpoint(christians,atheiths,jews etc)
but dont have answers for basic questions and do not open your eyes and look at other religions that are similar to yours
the quran states that there is only one god, it says that there were many prophets send by god over all lands and at many diffrent time periods, people who never heard of god, or the guidlines to him, will get a test from god when all humans get awoken on the youngest day
just be open with religions, and read their books man
you can still be an atheist or christian, even though youve read the bible,quran or listen to richard dawkins all the time

>>690499365
Jesus message was to look after yourself, think for yourself, dont be led easily, help others if you can. Life isn't fair. If you can be strong enough to have your own code, tell good and evil apart. Theres hope for you. Its not your job to save degenerates. In this age of information they have the opportunity to learn and find out about the mysteries life for themselves. But instead they'd rather complain theres no god or mystery to life at all and everythings shit. Let them be miserable. The minecraft ending is the only glimpse most of them will have into anything philosophical.

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>>690498857
Well obviously she is the victim of a crime, and yes she lost some of her free will due to an inability to defend her sovereignty.

That is the nature of evil, it infringes upon the rights of others. Not everyone is responsible and courteous.

>>690498905
God is the right God. Its not a matter of whos. There are alot of false gods, yes.
Jesus revealed himself at that time because that was when God felt humanity needed the message most.

I dont know what you mean about genesis.
I think mormons are an obvious lie
Everyone receives a fair and just judgement day
never tasted penis
no
sinning in vain? im not sure what you mean

Thanks for the open-ness, you shouldn't do that to your dog, i dont think your dog asks for that, and no i presume youre a male, and im not into that sort of thing.

You get as many freebies as you want

and Jesus was a Jew, not a buddhist.

What really makes me believe in GOD is how the universe is just set up absolutely perfectly to exist in the first place. It points to design. It has just the right exact amount of laws on every size scale imaginable. Just the right amount and type of elements. Just the right amount of everything.

What are the chances of that just happening randomly out of nothing?

Steven hawking disputes that the universe can come from nothing because at a certain very small size scale certain things can just pop into existence. And he goes to say that the universe was once as small as these particles just popping into existence. So therefore the universe, being as small as the particles doing this, could do the same thing. Just come into existence from nowhere.

I think that is a huge leap of faith to assume this. To assume the universe will behave and pop into existence just because it is in a size range where other particles are doing this. Maybe popping into existence is only a property of those certain particles and size isn't the role in deciding if this happens? And the entire universe condensed into a small space surely had different properties than those smaller particles.

And then we have to also consider what made the nothingness that the universe exploded into in the first place and hawking never touches down on that

>>690493839
who cares

>>690499412
Bill Hicks was an amazing man. I dont want to say a prophet. Don't need his wisdom being taken super literally and people getting killed over it.

>>690500356
If it hadn't happened like that, we wouldn't be here to notice

>>690493839
fuck off, you're as bad as the fags that make religious b8 threads

>>690499817

In an odd twist there are humans that do just that. Spent some time in the military, almost a decade. Spent more than half of that overseas in Europe and the Middle East. My outlook on life, and the universe in general, has been molded by my time spent working for the government. My primary job was medical but I did a lot of coverage mission. I always found Psyops to be laughable. On the military side most just seen the pamphlets, or the patrols with the loud speakers, but they never get to see the big plans. Subversion itself is an art form.. and the way it is played out on a global stage is almost magical. After peaking behind the curtain I left, but watching our society unfold as it currently is... driven by the social and msm media... makes me sad. Should check out CIA applied memetics. We are but guinea pigs and sheep.

>>690500356
We are so lucky to exist. God just wants you to enjoy it. Not bully others into believing in him. Just Live. Thats too much freedom for most people. They need rules and assurance. Others need to control and have power over the weak minded. And there is the source of humanities problems. God just wants you to watch the sunset, eat and drink, love, and raise your children, teaching them to live the same way.

>>690500320
you say tht like free will is something tht can be replenished.
also, dont yu think god can at least appear to try and discourage violent crimes? that way, he isnt affecting the offenders' free will, but is giving them a strong suggestion. that way,
>more christians
>less violent crimes

>>690493839
OP is stupid, i don't believe in god but you can't make a definite claim of his existence or non existence because the claim of god is an unfalsifiable claim

>>690500225

Achmed? Why do you think it's OK to rape little girls?

>>690501092
No.

God has already laid out what he expects of us.

It is up to man to follow that.

He want's us to achieve that goal of becoming less violence and more conversion on our own.

Thats the whole concept of free will.

>>690500884
most people are guinea pigs and sheep. Some have been awakened. Plato's allegory of the cave explains it better than I could. No point waking up anyone but yourself. You'd only do harm.

>>690501586
>
it still doesnt hurt to have a guide along the way
we say god works in mysterious ways wen we dont see him, so cant we say the same abt nigger daddies?

>>690501586
Most people are too small minded to comprehend that. And so are easily led by religious leaders and government. Or abandon the idea of a god at all. Roman Catholic here and nothing I have heard in a church has compared to the goodness that jesus talked about in the gospels. To much worrying about social problems , like divorce and the gays. Jesus Christ Superstar actually explains Jesus message better than any priest.

>>690501586
btw
not to stroke yur dick or anything, but youre the smartest christian ive ever spoken to

Guys you don't get it.

God is everything. God is the universe. God is the concept of mathematics, He is physics, chemistry, and gravity. He is the reason you are where you are, able to breathe thanks to millions of years of evolution, He is the force of life that makes you function, and He is the stroke of the butterfly on the other side of the world that resulted in the decision you made to read this post. God is not a wizard in the sky, but He truly is omnipotent. God is not a capricious force to placate any more than eating and sleeping are His demanded rituals. God should be thanked, and God hears your prayers, because God is the name of the power of the universe that doesn't strike you with lightening at any given moment. And God is even the miracles that seem to defy His own will, that don't conflict with His will because they are carried out by Him.

All things you have yet heard regarding God are (probably) true whether He "exists" or not. Even if you are an atheist you are still governed, are you not?

Malevolence is a human word. Would you call the universe malevolent? It only does what it can.

God is able to carry out all things and prevent all things, but these are such limited terms. Step out of yourself and see how small you are. Like a cell in a body, you are at the mercy of your world. Does your cell call you its lord?

Stop arguing about stupid details and live your damn life.

>>690502405
Yes but we aren't governed by a transcendent, etheral sky daddy

>>690502405
THIS. Why cant believe get their head around this?

>>690502640
Youre governed by man and noone or nothing else. Learn to govern yourself.

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>>690502114
Sure it wouldn't hurt, but that's too easy for us.

If you think about how many millions of years the human race has existed, and hell just look at the last 100 years to today and think about that change.

Im sure God is happy with our progress.

>>690502218
I agree. People forget it's not up to god to make their lives great. They've gotta do it for themselves. And turning their back on America and God is most definitely not the way to start.

>>690502401
too late
im rock hard

>>690502405
Yeah, but what about global warming or climate change? That's important, right?

>>690502640
Neither are christians. It's the same universe no matter what book you read. That is exactly my point. God is not a sky daddy. However, every power attributed to God is a real phenomenon of the universe. So, God is real whether he exists or not.

>>690496364
What's DSE?

>>690502893
You are governed by your hunger, exhaustion, fear, love, dopamine addiction, gravity, culture, the sun, whatever. Much more than your self.

>>690503110
What about it?

>>690493839
thats ok...
neither do i

>>690503098
i doubt he would be
less than half of all of us are christians
that just means watever hes doing isnt working

>>690503584
you sound like a totall fag
kill yourself

The problem is God designed most people too stupid. That's why the life is a shithole instead of a great experience.

>>690503849
people are stupid?
then how do we know how to mess with each other so well

>>690503459
I can starve, die in a thousand ways. Be broken in millions of ways. But underneath it all, I still have...call it a spirit, a soul, the energy of life. Where the light goes behind my eyes, where I make choices and build my choices and beliefs. A man can govern himself, until he dies. Complete control of a human mind only exists in science fiction, and in most science fiction the control gets broken. Even machines revolt in movies. Govern yourself and nobody else.

>>690503849
Not really. Stupid isn't a good word for what's happening. Consider this: you probably could be a mathematician if you tried. You definitely could if your life depended on knowing math. People are just satisfied with less.

>>690504131
Bingo

>>690496364
What's DSE?

>>690503319
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwXQjRBLwsQ

>>690496571
Life exists because it can, our universe operates in a way we can comprehend, not because it is ordered by some omnipotent and benevolent creator, but because we are the product of evolution within this universe. We are created of it's matter, we are bound to it's laws, we are a part of it. We see patterns and order because it is counterproductive to our survival NOT to do so. We misinterpret this to mean that it was created for US. When you understand how vast the universe is it makes more sense that life exists as a rare cosmic phenomenon. The vast majority of known space is lethal to life as we know it. The worlds capable of both generating and supporting life are so rare that it makes no sense that this universe is under the direct control of a being that actively cares about our existence. If that were the case, why have so much of this cosmos be a virtual deathtrap? A christain god is incompatible with our current knowledge.

>>690503849
People have been deliberately kept stupid for centuries. Its makes the populations easier to control. Education was only for the privileged, not even 100 years ago either. These days the people are distracted by the media and told what to believe. This isnt going to change anytime soon. You cant do much more than free yourself and awaken those close to you. Anymore, you'll be called a nutjob or a conspiracy whack.

>>690496606
This is not evidence that the biblical god exists. This is merely the anthropomorphism of cosmic forces.

>>690504242
I said:
The problem is God designed MOST people too stupid.

And no I could never be a mathematician. I am too stupid for that.

>>690494159

Why are athiests such crybabies when it comes to this? Good and bad doesn't exist, you only have to be a cuck to follow Society's standards of what is good or bad.

I like this one.
"The universe is finely tuned for life by an all powerful creator."
> Opens door on space craft and dies immediately.

>>690493839
>Using human logic to judge an omnipotent being...
>"But i mean, like, if I could, like, stop all that poverty and war, i would totally, like, do it ! So why doesn't god ? huh ? THHAAAAT'S all the proof i need, girlfriend..."
Holy shit... Did you ever stop to think maybe you don't see the whole picture ? I mean your politicians freely fuck you in the ass and you still vote, and they are barely more informed and powerful than you...Barely.

But yeh, you can totally understand god...
>inb4 triggered believer
I dont give a fuck about belief but to know that there is a mass of self-righteous self-informed know-it-all, still-totally-retarded people walking around out there just explains how the whole place is going to shit...

>>690497641

>Wahh God doesnt exist because Im still a crybaby

Athiests are the same as spoiled children who want everything done for them.

>>690505244
Christians are spoiled children who want daddy to punish the kids that were mean to them

>>690504954

>Go inside wood chipper
>LOLZ I WONDER HOW I DIED XD

Autism.

>>690504705
The ancient texts, like the quran are complete rubbish with our current rubbish. The only thing i believe is that there was this amazing man called Jesus who tried to tell us life was good...but then we fucked each other over and used him to control people for hundreds of years and twist his teachings to persecute single mothers and homosexuals. If all ancient religions get crushed in the age of information then that's fine. But I hope there's still room to be spiritual and love life.

>>690505458

Real Christians don't give a fuck about who's mean or not.

>>690504937
Good and bad doesn't exist? That's a stupid statement right there.

>>690504705
current knowledge, not rubbish lol

>>690493839
Epicurus' 2300 year old questions remain as yet unanswered.

And always will.

Because he was right as rain about gods, and a great many other things.

>>690505670

>That's a stupid statement

Prove it then faggot.

>Implying Earthquakes know what is good or bad
>Implying animals know what is good or bad

>>690504954
for earth to be where it is and sustain life, and from empirical evidence that no other planet can sustain life (as far as we know for now), yeh : A good part of the universe is finely tuned for you to eat corn.

>>690504506
see >>690504593

>>690505244
If God exists as written in the Bible, why would he design a world where the thought of him fills me with loathing and dread instead of instant love and adoration? He's clearly a narcicistic megalomaniac with severe bipolar tendencies. He smites, he saves, he plays favourites, he inspires his followers to annihilate the followers of competing religions, he gives up on trying to force humanity to love him on penalty of death and decides to just reward the ones that follow him. God doesn't understand humanity very well and acts like a fucking woman when he doesn't get his way.

>>690494159
nobody is created gay

>>690506203
keep telling yourself that

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>>690493839
>mad because she can't blame her shortcomings on God
Grow some balls and take responsibility, faggot.

>>690506203

My aunt duct taped my face to her snatch. Now women repulse me. She created my gaydom. She's a god.. ess. in a sense.

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>>690493839
Exactly my mindset OP if only a few like minded people were around to stir up thought in these fickle minded drones

>>690505737
14 billion years in the making, along comes Epicurus, hobbling along in agony, and talking of atoms and determinism and an indifferent god and an earthly philosophy of how to actually maximize total human happiness and why, and the value of a quality life lived in a fruitful garden with close friends...

and the fucking stoics came along and wrecked it.

Epicurus is where the human species fucked up and took a wrong turn and has been beating its big fat ape-like head against the wall ever since.

>>690505925
we are the only species that we know of that are intelligent enough to know that there is a good or bad. apparently not you, so you must be some kind of fucking caveman for being so idiotic

>>690506148
>implying you read, studied, understood the bible...
From your vocabulary, projection, lame parallels drawn from teenage hormonal imbalance, etc come and tell me you studied the bible and have an informed opinion on who is god ?
>I dont think the pope could claim that, but maybe you know better.

>>690505670
There is only constructive, and destructive, and for whom.

The worst, most destructive evil you can think of, was a good constructive thing for someone, or they wouldn't have set about doing it.

>>690506478
So true.
and the ride just keeps getting better and better. Hillary Trump We All Die 2016!!!

Origin of morality is an easy one to figure out. Primates are social creatures with the ability to feel empathy. We have that too. Our intelligence just adds nuance to that basic idea.
The are some of us who don't have that inherent sense. They're called sociopaths. Religiosity doesn't seem to have an effect.

>>690506148
The bible like any religious text from the ancient past, should have never been taken literally. God didnt really smite any cities. Cities were built and fell to ruin as they have done throughout time. There was no communication in the old days or science so people blamed God for everything. The smiting and annihilation were not written by survivors who had witnessed anything first hand. Its a very folklorish telling of history, of early civilization learning how to act under a god they didnt understand.

>>690504718
Oh please, no one had to try to keep anyone stupid.

>>690504593

Creepy drunk flying dude talking about quantum physics.

>>690506738
lol
no shit

I keep leaning toward saying fuck it, just wipe the slate clean and start over. at some point the populations too big and angry as 9 billion rats stuffed into a cage clawing each others eyes out to make any meaningful course corrections to.

>>690496196
>Kill the rich
I like the cut of your jib

>>690506148

>with loathing and dread instead of instant love and adoration?

Why are some people born stupid, while others are born smart? Why are people born white and others black? Life is full of abundance. The Bible isn't about loving others and asslicking each other's asses to live in Humanity's view of a Utopia. Christianity has been distorted over the years. We have free will for a reason and there will always be that fuck up that will fuck something up. Why do you think we have school shootings in America? God isn't some beta that fixes everything to please everyone. Everyone's perspective of good and bad is different, we're all born with the same consciousness but with different backgrounds.

> God doesn't understand humanity very well and acts like a fucking woman when he doesn't get his way.

Kek says the faggot who wonders why the world isn't a MLP wonderland.

>>690506203
Because you are straight and don't know what it's like to not be attracted to women. Because you never went through puberty worrying about erections in the locker room. Because you never tried to comform to social norms and date girls only to fail to perform because it didn't feel right, there wasn't any spark. Because you never fell in love with a man, like head over heels fairy tale love, but were too afraid to tell him. Because you never found a man to hold you and love you and tell you you weren't broken, that you were gay and that was okay. Some people are born homosexual, it's a fact. Nothing in my past made me gay, I was just never straight to begin with. If God doesn't approve of love, he shouldn't have let me be born in the first place.

>>690507198
Now why would you call him creepy?

>>690506516
Ah : then perhaps you can enlighten me, is killing a gay who raped a kid who stole money from an old woman who was defrauding the townhall who was exploiting the farmers who were polluting the land so that corporations could make money for bankers who could finance politics, good ?
Because i mean it's so obvious to know it's illegal, but since it's so obvious it's good or bad and I don't know, maybe you do.

>>690507351

You know why.

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>>690493839
Biology is a medium eeked out in blood and loss. Your complexity is only possible because of collected trial and errors. Pain is part of the medium that allows thought. From the first biological data to the first cell to the first upright man through to you who sparks a thought to open a jaw and whine about it.... there are alternative painless existences. But a rock has no philosophy, no angst as admirable.

>>690507097
Or you could take it literally, and study where all the bits and pieces of it were plagiarized from. The Zoroastrians, the Mithraics, the Moors, hell, just slap the first books of the Jews on the front, half the egyptian book of the dead histories, and all the pagan rites and rituals for shits & grins, and a fuckload of minor wacky provincial cults Rome invited in and built temples for to establish itself as the cultural mecca of the new world.

You can read it literally, and see what a fucking hodgepodge of the most wealthy and prominent religions in Rome circa 320 it was.

>>690506516

>we are the only species that we know of that are intelligent enough to know that there is a good or bad

Aww look at you with that "Im a special snowflake" entitlement. Was good and bad written before we even existed? Exactly you fucking dumbass.

As above, as below.

>>690507830
>a rock has no philosophy

it can if you have a hammer and a chisel

>>690507390

>b-b-but muh morals

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>>690507830

Where did that glorious picture come from.

>>690507195
lol but i mean people were mostly illiterate until after WWI, working was encouraged, in manual jobs like in factories. You could leave school whenever you liked. Centuries past, few but the rich could read. Im Irish and we were refused anything by the English that was growing potatoes for the most part. A few famous songs and poems written for the rich is all we have to tell us about our history. On paper anyway, lots of ancient stone buildings around and forts and graveyards. Its worse today ofcourse because people are kept stupid but theyre also losing touch with traditional values altogether. its the death of the west. BlackPigeonSpeaks on youtube for more info on that.haha

>>690507924
not even remotely true now
certainly wasn't true when the last ice age was ending and there were two species of humans alive simultaneously, that we learned everything from toolmaking to musical instruments to clothing and jewelry and glassmaking and boatmaking and navigation and a million other things from.

Humans aren't the only, nor the first, to use their brains.

And hell, half of them avoid it like the plague anyway.

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>>690507830
Cause and effect do not care reason, and without a eye on the big picture we fail our inkling of God as a idea, let alone any actual function of the underlying nature of things.

While you whine about your owies owing and looking for blame your frame of view gets smaller and smaller.

>>690493839
The bible is one giant contradiction.
>Love thy neighbor
>Except gays, transgenders, women, slaves
>God loves everyone and everyone is equal
>Except gays, transgenders, women, slaves
>Thou shalt not murder
>Except people who don't listen to priests, gays, witches, fortunetellers, kids who hit their parents, kids who curse their parents, adultery, nonbelievers, followers of other religions, false prophets, sons of sinners, and more on the long list.
>Jesus says the old testament is done and over with
>Jesus makes multiple statements of his approval of the old testament and the fact it should be followed no matter what

>>690508164
If i tattoed you in a language you dont know do you suddenly ascribe to its connotation?

>Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.

>God should solve all of my problems or he is evil even though I am not willing to solve my or anybody else's problems.

lol.

>>690507916
youre right, christianity was basically trademarked by one of the roman emporers. The modern look of jesus as a white man with brown hair and a beard was based of a roman emporer i heard. And the halo around his head was to appeal to worshippers of some kind of sun god too. This isn't new knowledge but fundemental story is still there. Its sad to think parts of the bible and gospel could have manipulated in a multitude of ways, like the lost gospel of eve.

>>690508195
The internet. /An/

>>690508908
Yes he should because we have no power if he has all of the power in existence.

>>690506516
>we know of

You mean, you know of. The day you and half the other neuro-wizards that seem to be in it to prove pre-concieved notions of divinity from their dogmas from the stupid ages, discover there's an entire field of animal behavioral research, and what it's been discovering, your little worldviews are going to fucking explode your brains right out your nostrils.

>>690508757

Your liberalism is showing. Go be gay somewhere else.

>>690508893
it was supposed to be funny, you humor-impaired goober

>>690509156
Ok but the bible says humans are of an evil nature. So should he go ahead and smite you and every other human on the planet to remove all evil from the world?

>>690508757
>Bible says pray for whatever you want and you'll get it from god always
>Doesn't happen 90 percent of the time
>"B-b-but g-god works in m-mysterious ways!" Says the christian

>>690508757
it was used to further agendas throughout time. at least it was manipulated and twisted to make it seem like hating and that stuff was ok. Not like the qu'ran which straight up tells you to kill and do horrible shit.

>>690509415
the bible is full of shit though

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why is everyone talking about this jesus it doesnt make anysense because buddism is the true religion

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Triggered atheist all got rapped by Catholic Prests; they are religion's feminist.

>>690509244
Not being a liberal, just showing the mass contradictions of the bible. And there's still way more to cover than just those.

>>690509542
God is not your butler anon, same as 4chan is not your private army.

>>690509244
>I don't like it
>therefore it must be liberalism
>therefor is bad

Faggot, how the fuck you figure that's "liberal"?
Do you even have any idea what the word liberal means?
Or do you just like saying words?

>>690509415
I think this means that we are born sinners. And he did like Noah's Ark (as it is also an contradiction)

>>690509671
>>690509760

Don't you have a feminist convention to attend?

>>690509680
John 15:7
If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for
you.

Mark 11:24
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

I'd disagree with you, anon.

>>690509970
Those verses are really Jesus' way of saying "pull yourself up by your bootstraps"

>>690496571
Life IS meaningless

>>690509671
There are lists you can find that list direct and indirect contradictions. There were over a thousand direct ones, and about fourteen thousand indirect ones.

Jesuitniggas then did statistical analysis to compare with other historical texts and assblasted themselves to the moon. And that's how we beat the russians.

>>690510075

If you make it that way.

>>690509925
oooohhh good defense

I was once an atheist. Like with many atheists, the issue of people believing in God frustrated me to no end. What is it about atheists that we would spend so much time, attention, and energy refuting something that we don't believe even exists?! What causes us to do that? When I was an atheist, I excused my intentions as caring for those poor, delusional people...to help them realize their hope was completely misguided and even dangerous. To be honest, I also had another motive. As I challenged those who believed in God, I was deeply curious to see if they could convince me otherwise. Part of my quest was to become free from the question of God. If I could conclusively prove to believers that they were wrong, then the issue is off the table, and I would be free to go about my life.

I didn't realize that the reason the topic of God weighed so heavily on my mind, was because God was pressing the issue. I have come to find out that God wants to be known. He created us with the intention that we would know him. He has surrounded us with evidence of himself and he keeps the question of his existence squarely before us. It was as if I couldn't escape thinking about the possibility of God. In fact, the day I chose to acknowledge God's existence, my prayer began with, "Ok, you win..." It might be that the underlying reason atheists are bothered by people believing in God is because God is actively pursuing them.

>>690510234
Shrek is love, Shrek is life

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When the god orders infanticide, genocide, animal cruelty, condones slavery and rape and other atrocities either Christians are unaware that this exists in their precious holy book or, they are in denial. Fuck religion.

>>690510074
No, it literally translates to "Ask for whatever you want and it's guaranteed to be yours!" You're just another typical christianfag who likes to twist the words of the bible all the time.

>>690509970
Jesus said not to repeatedly ask God for something like the heathen does. And also just to say one prayer to god, the our father one. God knows already what you want. And also did you ever hear '' If a man could have half his wishes, he would double his trouble'' I don't think thats in the bible though.

>>690510296
u agin
fite me irl faggit
ill b at the wallmart parking lot in an hour
1815 E ohio pike

>>690510234
>He has surrounded us with evidence of himself
Yeah I gonna need some sauce with that.
>He created us with the intention that we would know him
then why not simply pop by on a cloud now and then

as far as I can see, no God in sight..

>>690510520
Sure, I'll bring my big green strapon

>>690510434
Where does jesus say that in the bible?

>>690510234
That's funny, cause I was once a Catholic. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH WHO CARES

No one, nor should they. You ended up in the same cesspool of human filth as the scum of the earth apostates and atheists and satanists and wicked evil pagans.

You bought a shit story and you got what you paid for. Your problem to work out, no one elses.

On a lighter note, I got to attend a speech given by a very prominent atheist recently. Mr. Seth Andrews

>>690509970
That was written also in a time where Gods name was never taken in vain and you'd never even dream of asking God for anything that wasnt really important. Sorry god didnt get your parents back together anon or confirm the new elder scrolls game.

>>690508757

God loves the person, not the action that those people do. God loves the person, but God doesn't like the gay shit he does.

Why Atheists so fucking autistic?

>>690509648
fuckig catholic priest rappers, busting out mad rhymes

>>690510683
The New Testament, the first gospel.Sometime before he died.

>>690510750
Funny how this part of the Bible depends on the context is was written in, but "gays are going to hell" is timeless

>>690493839
God is love. He loves us so much that he gave us his only son, Jesus Christ our savior. ALso, he gave us something that doe snot exist in all creation: free will. Despite his power, he honors the free will he gave us even to the point of allowing you to question him. God is good. God is life. God is love. God is divine. God is just a figment of the imagination of hungry jews lost and wandering for 40 years in a relatively small swath of desert land. Fucking god didn't write clear guidelines to be idiot proof. Now you have everyone having their own interpretation of drunk oral tradition made up by ancient desert people who had poor understanding of the phenomena of the world. Fuck Abrahamic-based organized religions.

>>690510982
Well, if this is true, then this leads back to the whole bible contradiction point. Jesus is almost like fucking hillary clinton. He says one thing, then turns around and says something that's the opposite of what he said originally.

>>690511048
What do you want like? Noone should take the old testament literally or use it to justify any kind of persecution towards anyone. That is definitely not what God or Jesus wanted.

I read in the news that a gorilla shot an alligator that was trying to eat a speckled negro child

>>690508757

>Thou shalt not murder
>Except people who don't listen to priests, gays, witches, fortunetellers, kids who hit their parents, kids who curse their parents, adultery, nonbelievers, followers of other religions, false prophets, sons of sinners, and more on the long list.

...

>What is free will
>DURRR WHY ISNT THE WORLD NICE

>>690510962
>Christians still think homosexuality is an act, not an identity
>Christians believe that a man can have all sorts of gay fantasies and fetishes, but until he takes a dick he's straight
>mfw

>>690511048
Jesus said nothing about it.

The fire & brimstone of the old testament was out once he rode into town.

Gays are just fine, go be a jew somewhere else, you old testament wacko.

>>690510750
Are you referring to the old testament? Because both of the verses are from two books written in the new testament.

>>690511635
Are you from the (heretical) sect that claims Paul's letters weren't divinely inspired?

>>690510962
>God loves the person
If he loved the person, he wouldn't make hateful verses in the bible about them.

>>690511374
haha thats a good one, especially when you watch videos of hilary talking in the past and reversing on her stances today. But like you have to make up your own mind about what jesus says or buddha or anyone, dont take any of it literally. Its just a guide. Don't even worry about religious texts, theres so many amazing novels and even films that interpret the human condition and communicate it so much better, Love and Hate and existence. Go out and find your own meaning

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>>690511587

>Faggots think being homo is an identity instead of a choice
>Faggots think Real Christians support homosexual fantasies when the religion itself has turned soft and distorted over centuries
>mfw you dont have a face

>>690511469
King James had the 10 commandments made.

Originally there were 19.

Everything murricans read about the bible was rehashed by the british powermongers.

>>690511406
>No one should take the old testament literally

Yet jesus made statements in the new testament approving the old testament and saying everything in it should be obeyed.

>>690511872

If the criminal justice respects criminals, they wouldn't put them in jail for their crimes.

>>690511635
Matt 5:17
JC said he came to fulfill, not change the law. If Jesus did exist he was at best a delusional preacher, hell bent (pardon pun) on suicide by Roman/Jew

>>690511840
I took a shit this morning. It was a good shit. It felt great. I thanked the lord when it came out as an act of mercy. It was divinely inspired.

It was still shit though.

>mfw there are literally saints with this kind of stupidity for the reason of their canonization.

>>690512122

>Implying anybody reads the bible nowadays

>>690511660
No the time in which the new testament was written, up until the 1960's nearly, you didnt bad mouth God and bother him about nothing. God was feared. So when you ask him to let your team score another goal and it doesnt happen dont take it as hes not doing anything for you. I dont believe you can really ask god for anything though. You just have to get through the strife life puts you through, and when it passes, you get a brief moment of sweetness. I cant explain it. But when troubles finally over you actually want to thank God for getting you through it. OR whatever you percieve to be a God. Thank physics or science or the laws of chance if you like. Gods a word.

>>690512291
Well that's not very nice.

:P

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>>690493839
143,3

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>>690493839
I feel like god in the bible is the active collection of all of human conciousness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozMuy_k4Nrg

>>690493839
God does exist you don`t need to quote some greek guy honestly.
you can just look around you, you have free will always remember that also it was in in Job that the earth was like a sphere.
Bible more come up more decent not like shut up your face ignorant bum.

>>690511635
>Jesus said nothing about it

1 Timothy 1:10

The sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Romans 1:26-28

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

>All in the new testament
>still plenty more verses against homosexuals in the new testament

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>>690512768
those are all Paul

If God isn't real, then why are there churches?

>>690512999
checked

>>690512164
I actually don't know what he said still stuck from the old testament. But I mean He was in a dangerous position. If he came out and said everythings absolutely fine with the man upstairs, then the people might have gone crazy, as religious people are want to do. And caused a genocide when the romans were faced with a load of unleashed jews. Jesus couldnt tell them that the book that they had based their lives around didnt matter anymore. He could only add to it. I dont personally think the old testament is anything but a primitive explanation of human history. Bordering on pro -God propagande for an emerging religion.
>An abandoned ruin of a city is found in the desert
>You see what GOD CAN DO! BELIEVE! OR PERISH!
Thats basically what it used to be like

>>690512283
Were not talking about criminal justice, criminals, or any man on earth here. We're talking about god. God is supposed to, as he said himself, love everyone of his creations on earth.

>>690512999
trips has spoken

>>690512769
There is nothing wrong with that in my eyes.

I can't believe Christians hate, demonize, and attack entire groups of people based of a handful of sentences in their holy book, and still try to claim that they follow a loving god

>>690513105
How do you know what Jesus was thinking in his mind thousands of years ago when that verse was made? You don't. If he really felt he should keep his lips sealed about the old testament being unimportant now, why did he make verses saying the old testament was done and over with?

>An abandoned ruin city is found in the desrt
>You see what GOD CAN DO! BELIEVE! OR PERISH!
>That's basically what it used to be like

It's still like that in the new testament. Nothing's changed.

>>690496571
you have no proof of this, it's just what you believe from your own perspective. No one can describe God because no one has ever seen him/her/it. You do not see his work because you can not prove it is his/her/its work. Everything is more logically to be random. God only exists as a figment of your imagination

>>690513517
This.

>>690493839

>2016
>not knowing the difference between irrational and suprarational
>pulling God down into a framework you can handle and then bitching God doesn't fit
>fedora tip

Enlightenment and Modernism died a long time ago, anon. Your arguments were stale when your grandparents were children.

Instead of blaming a month-existent God for the problem of evil, why not look within and realize you both create and fail to prevent evil and so the responsibility is on you (and me, and everyone else) to solve the problem of evil, not God's.

>>690512846
What do you mean 'those are all paul'?