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>>690397468
White killing niggers = a good thing that has to be done
Nigger killing other people = TERRORIST DUH

>>690397468 did omar actively practice the muslim faith?
did dylann? i'm willing to make the assumption based on his skin color, it is likely he did not, omar however, preferred to join the sandnigger covenant

>>690397468
Something to do with pledging allegiance to ISIS. Racism is not terrorism.

>>690397468
But Omar Maroof is a terror.

>>690397687
kek

>>690397918
So did Dylann roof

But Roof is a terrorist.

>>690397468
why does it matter?

>>690397468
Omar did a better job because I don't even know who the other guy is without looking him up

Because that's the stereotype bows days.
>Be White, shoot up gay club
>America sad for a week then forgets about it
on the other hand
>Be Muslim/Foreign
>Shoot up gay club bc you hate gays
>Get called terrorist for life including his children and his wife.

>>690397468
Hating niggers is common sense not a political ideology.

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>>690397468
Because Americans havent realized theyve been conditioned to associate the word TERRORIST with Radical Islamist, even though by definition they're both terrorists.

>>690397468

>Let's debate, /b/
sure. OP is a faggot. other opinions?

>>690397777
GTFO God whiteknight

>>690398779
New Fag detected

>>690397468
They are both terrorists. The only reason Roof isn't called a terrorist is racism.

>>690398704
/this

>>690397468
because he's less human than the white of us

>>690398269
Come back when you have grown up.

>>690398704
>radical islamist
>islamist
>implying one is less cancerous than the other
>implying americans should think any different

>>690397777
>Racism is not terrorism.
That doesn't mean that racists can't commit terrorism.

>>690397468
They both inflicted terror on civilians for the sake of religion/political beliefs/ideology so they are both terrorists.

>>690397687
Why don't you come back when you're 18.

I would say about 80% of media outlets called Roof a terrorist. But the SJWs only care about the 20% that didn't and are now even pushing the meme that Mateen was mentally ill.

These people are hypocrites and can't be trusted.

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>>690398941
>whiteknight

>>690399250

>When the brainwashing propaganda too good

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>>690398996
Muslim isn't a race. White Muslims who commit jihad are still called terrorists. The American bias against Muslims is bigotry, not racism.

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>>690399455
>brainwashing
you must be immune to this and trying to help me be immune. thank you anon

>>690399455
>when the brainwashing so good that you ignore literally every indication of islamic savagery and inability to produce successful cultures

>>690397468
eh, they are kinda similar. Both were crazies latching on to an some type of ideology to commit mass murder. But if I remember correctly, Dylan's wasn't really a valid political movement. There weren't lots of others willing to die/ get jailed for the same cause. Maybe if he did this back in the 1950s when the KKK thing was much bigger, he would have been... but instead he trying to do something for a cause that's been long dead; therefore, he's just a crackpot.

>>690399430
I see them suggesting that since Mateen was gay, that means he wasn't true to the islamic faith and thus can't be a terrorist. Which goes against everything liberals usually say because it implies that terrorists are true muslims.

>>690397468
ill try to respond civilly

Anyone pledging allegiance to a foreign ideology (eg. ISIS, Islam) or who commits acts for political harm/gain. Those are the people known as terrorists. Good?

Because the one guy is brown.

>>690400186
The size of the movement is irrelevant to the motivation of the shooter. The motivation of the shooter is the only thing that matters in the definition of terrorism. They are both terrorists. And they are both crackpots. And they are both probably faggots. None of these things are mutually exclusive.

>>690397468
because one is a muslim...any other dumb questions?

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>>690398704
>stupid americans
>letting people tell them shit
>even though everyone knows it is true
>fucking stupid americans

go to google images search terrorist

>>690397468

Read the definition of terrorist and you'll have your answer.

It really is an actual definition, faggot. It has meaning. I'm not going to tell you what it is. Go look for yourself, you lazy cunt.

Timothy McVeigh was white, and a terrorist.

>>690400215
The definition of terrorism is not limited to foreign or political. It can be any ideology - political, religious, or otherwise. And the origin of the ideology is irrelevant. When islamic terrorists blow up muslims in the middle east it does not cease to be terrorism because they are not foreign.

>>690400404
your definition only works if you are trying to dilute the meaning of terrorist. You usually refer to them as terrorists so that you can catch others about to do similar stuff. If Dylan was working with others, then call him a terrorist and catch the others. If he was totally a long gunman and has not other contacts... then what's the point of calling him a terrorist other than to fuck with the meaning? Calling someone a terrorist intrinsically means there will be others doing similar acts for the same ideology soon.

dont pay attention to the killer, but the victims, someone killed hella niggas and another one killed hella crackers, guess which one america goes nuts for!

>>690397468
It's terrorism if there's a credible threat that whatever they did is just the tip of the iceberg. One head on a larger hydra.

Neither of these guys are proper terrorists. One is a random violent racist, the other is a sociopath who got inspired by actual terrorists. ISIS just claims responsibility for this they have no control over. These guys' stories are over. They ended with a single incident. No leverage, no persistent threat, just the ramblings of some asshat with a gun as though the ability to throw your life away and take a few people with you is impressive.

>>690400712
Depends on which definition of terrorism you use.

https://www.fbi.gov/albuquerque/about-us/what-we-investigate

The FBI defines terrorism as “the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives.”

By this definition Roof is a terrorist because he used unlawful violence to intimidate civilians in the pursuit of a social objective.

>>690400215
I said those are the people known as terrorists. The majority of common folk don't refer to most domestic ideologies as terrorist actions. If a Christian killed a bunch of people they wouldnt be labeled a terrorist by the news.

>>690401146
No, the definition of terrorist does not exist for the purpose of catching collaborators. Get that shit out of here. It exists to define an act. The definition is what the definition is. It is not dependent upon your subjective thoughts about whether defining him as such is useful in combating it. Would you not define a serial killer as a serial killer if doing so did not aid in catching others? Words have meanings. Those meanings are constant whether they aid you in your personal goals or not.

>>690401880
And yet if they did so in the name of ideology, they would still be terrorists by definition, regardless of whether the news used the term or not.

>>690401146
>Calling someone a terrorist intrinsically means there will be others doing similar acts for the same ideology soon.

Where is that exactly in the definition of terrorism? And are you seriously suggesting that nobody else has or is going to murder black people because of white power ideology?

Hate crime /= terrorism

Effectiveness is a mark of sanity.

One was an unbalanced child and the other a calculating man.

>>690401146
If someone kills dozens of blonde women in a ritualistic manner but then kills himself before his victims are ever discovered, what is the point in labeling him a serial killer? It serves no point in catching him because he is already dead so am I diluting the definition of serial killer by calling him such?

>>690397777
Checked

>>690401990
And yet OP's pic asks why they're KNOWN as terrorists. Obviously they're both technically terrorists. My definition explains that

>>690397763
Relatively fair to assume he had snapped seeing as he was a gay muslim living in a very religious household.

Reckon he wanted to redeem himself and decided to go out fighting jihad for a surefire ticket to heaven.

One was a lone lunatic, the other was working with an organization dedicated to spreading terror.

>>690397777
Witnessed

>>690397468
But I've heard bowl cut referred to as a terrorist.

>>690397468
because white people cant be muslims

>>690397687
>White killing niggers
killer of golden curls

But who is Dylan Rook?

>>690397468
because america is racist and white people are whats wrong with it lol.

>>690400208
>Mateen was gay
political strategy. make shit people kys each other

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>>690397777
nice get but youre unfortunately autistic as shit. infact, omar is simply psychotic.
while dylan did it literally because they "had to go". you can try and argue w me on this but you are wrong if you do.

>>690403004
No it doesn't. It asks why one IS a terrorist and the other is not. You misread it.

>>690397468
niggers =/= people

>>690399250
>>690400512
you faggots dont get it.
through conditioning most white americans will assume you are a trrrorst if you are muslim.

>3 terrorist attacks caused by a muslim out of 130 this year.

think about that ya faggots.

>>690399786
if a person is brown with a beard he is a terrorist in america.

>>690399342
>babby's first attempt logic

>>690397468
let's be honest
neither one of them are/were terrorists

they didn't use fear to achieve a goal. They are/were pawns who used violence in what they believed would benefit a cause. they themselves didn't get anything out of their actions.

to call either one of them a terrorist is to give them power, and that's not a good thing.

>>690405899
No he's probably a cashier or in a gang. What's will all these autistics incorrectly telling anons what they think?

>>690405496
Are you implying that most ISIS/Al Qaeda member are not psychotic/sociopathic or a that subscription to a radical ideology and having a mental illness are mutually exclusive?

If we say that people with self hatred, anger issues, mental health issues, emotional problems aren't terrorists even if they spend lots of time reading terrorist propaganda, they meet with known terrorists, they tell coworkers that they are a member of terrorist groups, they pledge allegiance to a terrorist group, and they scout out potential targets for terrorist attacks including Disneyworld before finally killing 49 people in the name of ISIS - then nobody is a terrorist. Every terrorist had some underlying issue which drove them to extremism. Those reasons do not change the definition of terrorism.

>one kills blacks and the other kills gays

Both were doing God's work.
What's the debate?

>>690406303
/thread.

I don't eve know why this new 4chan hate these guys.

A bunch of media agencies called Roof a terrorist and he didn't even pledge himself to ISIL. Regressive liberals also defended the white woman who 'passed' as black last year. It's kind of like stupid extremists never shut the fuck up until they snap

>>690402530
have you read into the story of ofmar at all? they are both insane, assole. Omar literally went into a gay club and started shooting ony because they are gay and he hates gay people. Dylan went into a black church and started shooting only because they are black and he hates black people. if omar is considered a terrorist the psyhotic teen should too. but since dylan is considered a nutjob so should omar, because thats what they both are.

>>690405749
I'm curious to hear what you think the word 'terrorist' means

>>690405899
According to who? <1% of the population. Get that SJW shit out of here. I suppose you also think we live in a rape culture where rape is celebrated and encouraged and rapists get a pat on the back while rape victims are thrown in jail for being sluts. Stop pretending that the 1% of scum who hold radical beliefs represent American society. That's just as bad as the idiots who pretend that terrorists represent all of Muslim society.

>>690405899
No, if a person is brown with a beard they're a terrorist anywhere in the world. Faggot.

>>690406269
no im not implying that, because they gay club shooter isnt in isis.

>>690406683
>because they gay club shooter isnt in isis.
ISIL is full of boyfuckers and hires dancing boys. That's like saying a priest isn't Catholic because he molests kids

>>690406530
His motive wasn't purely because they were gay. Stop pretending like acts can only have one motive and that when multiple are present and confessed by the perpetrator, YOU are the one who gets to tell him what his REAL motive was. If his only motive was homosexuality then why was his first target disneyworld? Was he only going to shoot the gay kids?

Both are nutjobs and both are terrorists. Nutjob and terrorist are not mutually exclusive. One is virtually a prerequisite for the other.

>>690406540
shutup fag if i were brown, had a huge nasty beard, and a turban on, you would run away from me.

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>>690397468
Dylan is terror

>>690406986
he was gonn shoot upndisney because walts a fuckin faggot.

>>690406683
And now you're implying that someone has to be an official member of a club to be a terrorist. The definition of terrorism has no affiliation prerequisite. His motivations are what make it terrorism.

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>>690397468
>Media Jews arguing that Media Jews are inconsistent in how Media Jews report crimes in the (((news)))
>blames white people

Things Hitler did wrong:
1.) Nothing

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>>690407338
no hes a terrorist while also being psychotic, but hes not in isis.

Terrorism, as a concept, is not bound to any race or religion. Terrorism is simply an act, violent or otherwise, meant to cause fear. So, whilst not in the traditional sense, y'know "Allalalala!". Dylann Roof is a terrorist.

Omar Mateen had ties to isis and was a jihadi sympathizer.

>>690408275
How do you define membership? ISIS invited him to join them in their propaganda. He accepted and did what they asked. He pledged his allegiance to ISIS. ISIS publicly says he was a member. Do you require that a formal contract be signed? Does he have to give someone a hand job to make it official?

>>690408275
Your shitpost just agreed with what anon said. Learn some fucking reading comprehension

>>690406986
>YOU are the one who gets to tell him what his REAL motive was.
Spoken like a butthurt snowflake

>>690400103
>inability to produce successful cultures
>attributed to religion as opposed to factors that are more relevant

lay off the crackpipe retard

If Dylan roof had ties to a larger group of people committing acts similar to his he would be a terrorist but as it is he's just a spree shooter. Saying Roof is a terrorist is like saying Kleybold and Harris are terrorists.

>>690397468
Dylann Roof hated niggers and acted on his own

Omar Mateen claimed to belong to a terrorist organisation who claimed responsibility for his actions.

>>690409069
They did terrorize an entire school, did they not?

>>690397468
Outside of the fact that they were both homosexuals, the had nothing in common. Multiple murderers are almost always gay.

Neither one of these two are terrorists, these two men are both heroes.

>>690409177
actually, he acted alone because he was mad about what happened to afghanistan. He even made a point of sparing gay niggers.

>>690408852
Spoken like someone who has no counter argument and must resort to random ad hominem insults.

>>690397468
whats with all these shooters and their shit tier hair cuts?

>>690409178
Acting like every act that incites terror is terrorism demeans the meaning of the word. You'd be terrified of you were mugged and beaten, are we going to count that as terrorism?

>>690409411
The difference in me being mugged and beaten and shooting up a school is that with one, the shooters want to send some form of message through murder and intimidation. If I were mugged, they just want my money.

>>690409411
No, because the muggers motivation was not political or religious ideology. That's the definition. It has to be unlawful violence, against civilians, to inflict terror, for political or religious ideology. Roof and Mateen meet all four. A mugger only meets two.

>>690409585
Fine then. If someone beat the living shit out of you to send a message by terrifying you, would you think that is terrorism? You're demeaning the impact of the word. You're like the people who think catcalling is equivalent to rape.

>>690398704
Has nothing to do with the fact once declared his allegiance with a terrorist organization and the other is just done out of hate......
Oh wait it has everything to do with it and your just ignorant

>>690409841
Yes, that would be the definition of terrorism. Why do you think IS behead foreign journalists? If IS beheads one UK journalist as a warning to the UK, would you consider that terrorism?

You're literally pulling strawmen left, right and centre with no consistency man.

>>690409679
Kleybold and Harris didn't have political or religious motivations. Are you still going to say they were terrorists or are you going to backpedal like you regressive a always do?

>>690409841
Were they instilling fear in you to further their political or religious ideology? If so then yes, that is terrorism. That's the definition of terrorism. The definition of terrorism defines who is a terrorist. That's how definitions work.

>>690410061
Look, you're purposefully avoiding the point. By broadening what the term terrorism covers, you are demeaning the impact of the word. Like I said before, it's equivalent to what sjws are doing to the term "rape".

>>690397468
because terrorist is a word used to exaggerate the news

>>690410152
Quit abusing the dictionary definition. We're talking about real life here. The dictionary definition of feminism is equality for men and women but we both know that's incorrect.

>>690397468
Probably because all the white kids that shoot up the school on the Range dumb asses while the fucking muslim has to follow the Quran

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>>690410078
>Are you still going to say they were terrorists
When did I say they were terrorists? Terrorism requires that the action be done in pursuit of an ideology or movement. Psychopathy is not an ideology. White power and Jihad are.

Why the fuck would I be a regressive for calling Mateen and Roof terrorists?

>>690410365

the irony of your argument is that you qualify and demean the word more than anyone else. If it were up to you, it'd only apply in the context of Islamist movements, would it not? You qualify terrorism with an explicit profile of a terrorist and then attempt to lecture someone else on the 'demeaning' of the word. Don't act like it didn't exist before IS and Al-Qaeda and that it won't exist after they're long gone. The definition of the word was given to you explicitly.

Here's a further definition, as found in US legistlature:

"the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives" (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).


Would you call al capone a domestic terrorist?

>>690397468
White people cant be terrorists

>>690410152
See >>690410078

>>690399995
off by 4

>>690399071
What the fuck? You must be new here

>>690410648
oh, and furthermore:


would you call the guy who shot Jo Cox a terrorist?

>>690410633
See >>690409178

>>690410365
No. Rape has a definition which they are trying to expand.

Terrorism has a definition which you are trying to shrink. Terrorism requires.
1. Unlawful violence
2. Against civilians.
3. To instill terror or change behavior
4. in the name/interests of some ideology.

Tell me which of those requirements Roof or Mateen don't meet.

>>690410749
See >>690410633

>>690405496
you suck at arguing. don't even want to argue it.. but obviously you weren't on the debate team or.. you are simply a massive homo-loser.

>>690410648
I never said only Islamic movements. You're assuming because you're a prick unable to understand how other people have different opinions. This is what I said>>690409069

>>690397763
only Muslims an be terrorists?

>>690397468
they both are
>Terrorism: the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

see
>>690411119
>>690410888
>>690410749

>>690397468
Man, they're smashing that dude almost as hard as they are Donald Trump in the media.
Democrats are pathetic terrible people.

>>690411215
Then explain to me how you do not see Roof, who had explicitly political ends, does not fit your definition of terrorism.

>unable to understand how people have different opinions
all fair and good, but if your opinion is based on a bias or bullshit, I will bring your attention to it. It is up to you to do whatever you want to, but my conscience rests easy knowing I can point idiots in the right direction and leave it up to their personal discretion for them to do what they want.

Qualify other terrorist movements, and answer the two questions I posed. Let's see if your definition is built upon principles or on some vague emotion, much like the feminists you so hypocritically criticize.

>>690410648
Al Capone was not a terrorist. He was a mafioso and a mobster. You're over using the word. It's becoming another leftist buzzword just like problematic.

>>690411215
Terrorism requires no membership or affiliation, only the belief in an ideology. You can be the only one who holds that ideology and still be a terrorist. Here, let me quote the definition for the 100th time since nobody seems to be reading it.

"the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives."

>>690399995
he has a nice haircut ill give him that

>>690411510
A terrorist is someone who puts public safety at risk, to the point of killing them, for their own needs. Did he commit mass murder or shit, I thought he was just a drug boss. Druggies die all the time.

>>690411510
and the person that killed Jo Cox?

>leftist buzzword
have you not seen how often that phrase is ironically uttered by the right wing? Isn't it funny how you made buzzword itself a buzzword for things you don't agree with?

>>690411609
Terrorist doesn't require anything more than inciting terror in public. Hence the word. Dipshit.

>>690410920
Roof may be doing it for political or ideological reasons, but Mateen was doing the same yet in relation to a real tangible organization of people with similar ideas.

>>690411510
That was the point. He's not a terrorist. The leftists aren't the ones trying to make terrorism too broad. They're trying to make it too narrow in order to protect Muslims. This is kind of sad actually. The right is claiming the left is broadening terrorism to include roof while the left is claiming the right is broadening terrorism to include Mateen. lol, both sides are a bunch of mindless ideologues who can't understand simple definitions.

>>690411873
No, he wasn't. His motives were personal, based on what happened in Afghanistan. If he were doing it for IS, he would've killed gay people indiscriminately. He chose to avoid killing black gay people, citing the reason for undertaking his mass shooting as payback for afghanistan. But go ahead, refuse to see that, because it doesn't fit your little narrative.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3641598/Surviving-friend-teen-murdered-Orlando-massacre-sobs-guilt-recounts-shooter-asked-black-people-bathroom-stall-hiding-spare-having-suffered-enough.html

>>690411501
I already explained it to you. Dylan roof had no ties to people with similar ideologies commuting similar acts and therefore I do not consider him a terrorist. I just consider him a spree shooter. I consider the IRA and FLQ to be terrorists yet they have no affiliation to Islam.

>>690411859
So when bears incite terror in campers they are terrorists? Learn to think. Then learn to read.

"the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives."

>>690397468
ones black, ones white.

Terrorist implies there's a cult or group with them.

When it's about right wingers, they won't admit its part of their groupings, so call it mental illness when in reality, all terrorism is mental illness.

Playing up islamic terrorrism [one doens't really need to do that anymore] and down-playing right-wing fascist terrorism

>>690397468
I think Dylann Roof is a homegrown terrorist, that's a fair enough call

He tried to use fear and violence as a political statement even though he was dumb inbred /pol/ack

>>690412136
and I've explained how Mateen falls under the exact same category as Dylan.

>>690411873
So? Quote me the part of the definition that says it only counts if you're an official member of a tangible organization.

>>690412017
Absolutely agree with you fam. Tbh I think the whole term is silly.

>>690411859
Is a bear going into a public venue and mauling people to incite terror? No. Bears don't think that much. You dumbass.

>>690412136
That's fine. You can make up your own definition of terrorism. Meanwhile the real definition does not require membership in any organization.

"the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives."

>>690411789
>assuming I'm right wing
There we go another typical left wing act. You people make everyone ashamed to be liberals.

>>690412321
>>690412146
Meant to reply to this dude. Your encroaching on a bears land when your camping bro, bears are just being bears.
If your a person going into public venues and inciting terror, you're a terrorist. That's the literal definition. K?

>>690412248
Look at the social scope of America, we're a decade or so fresh off of 9/11, if you're wondering why one person was called a terrorist and the other wasn't, it's because of foreign relations.

Whether or not you should is a different story.

>>690412090
Quit denying the fact that he had ties to daesh. He'd pledged allegiance to them for fucks sake.

>>690412167
>Terrorist implies there's a cult or group with them.
That may be how you think of terrorism in your mind but the actual definition requires no group membership.

"the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof in furtherance of political or social objectives."

>>690398205
Right. He's a terrorist strictly because he's a shitskin. He called the police, mid rampage, to declare allegiance to ISIS. We're not assuming any terrorist ties with him, he's making it perfectly clear for us.

>>690412449
Good job avoiding the question of Jo Cox for the 3rd time.

Oh, and what about Britain first? Does this not qualify?

http://www.britainfirst.org/press-release-britain-first-to-target-muslim-elected-officials-in-direct-action-campaign/

>>690412618
>he had ties
>carried out attack in the name of them

there's a big difference there fam

>>690412364
The definition was not intended to be used so broadly you idiot. Jesus Christ you're like a pestering child.

>>690412827
Did they hit him back up?

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Cause They were niggers, and not Faggots.

>>690412547
They were both widely called terrorists. They are both terrorists by definition. I'm simply arguing against the right wing sheep who are saying Roof wasn't a terrorist and the left wing sheep who are saying Mateen wasn't a terrorist. And frankly, I have no fucking idea why either side feels they need to exclude either one of them.

>>690412827
He called the police and told them he was doing it in the name of ISIS. Witnesses said he was shouting allahu akbar.

>>690412707
I don't know who the fuck joe cox is bud. I don't give a semblance of a shit who he is.

>>690412880
Yeah, I agree. There's domestic and foreign terrorism. Both are terrorism.

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>>690397468
Dylan was a lone wolf who was not part of a bigger plan/movement to destroy christianity.

Omar on the other hand followed a religion who seeks world domination trough violence and death. So Dylan was just a looney who killed a bunch of people without a bigger plan while Omar did the shooting from the believes of a bigger plan to conquer everything that is non-muslim.

>>690397468
There's a difference between trying to instill fear into people and just wanting to kill niggers.

>>690412707
If they commit mass killings or kill elected officials then I'd consider them terrorists yes.