>>690348808
Control is important if you want any kind of accuracy.

>>690349104
This.

>>690349104
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>>690349104
nice post, bro

>>690349104
Second
The better gun control, the higher combo you'll get.

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>>690348808

Proper stance, proper 2 handed grip helps mitigate recoil for faster follow-up shots. That's my thoughts on gun control.

>>690348808
guns need to be banned until there are no niggers to get hold of them

While I own guns and fuckin love them, with all the goddamn shootings going on I've kinda been on the fence and leaning towards stricter laws. I love my kids more than my guns, and this shit is really making me worry.

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reasonable gun control is perfectly fine for me. I think background checks are a good idea and I think anyone undergoing psychiatric care or an FBI investigation should not be able to buy a firearm.

That said, I think typical people should be able to buy whatever the fuck they want if they have the funds for it and machine guns should be able to be imported and manufactured for civilian purchase again in the USA.

Dude, after all these shootings... Fuck guns

>>690349573

Gun murders have been dropping every year since the early 1990s. Mass shootings are less than 1% of gun murders. They make the news but are statistically irrelevant.

i think guns are too entrenched in america's culture and history to be fully "controlled" in any meaningful way. if the government says no, it will just make a bunch of arms dealers and warlords rich.

>>690349667
Dude, fuck a cactus.

>>690349667

Fuck Islam, not guns. Even if guns are tightly controlled terrorists can still get them illegally...did French gun control laws stop the paris attacks? nope

>>690348808

Well, you see OP.... we need guns to kill niggers

>>690348808
I think it's very important to properly control your weapon.

>>690349707
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>>690349707
Dont see much evidence there, but I am seeing schools gettin shot up. I dont see any mass stabbings or whatever. Thats the kinda thing Im worried about.

>>690348808
Nice walther.

>>690348808
Makes more sense than banning kinder surprises or drugs.
Those can only hurt yourself.

>>690350014
China.

>>690350014

In China a mass stabbing attack killed over 30 people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Kunming_attack

Banning guns doesn't stop mass killings.

The issue is with mental health for the most part. Focus there, and I guarantee gun crime will fall quicker than it is now.

>>690348808
liberal opinions voiced in the media are deadly weapons than guns.

>>690350169
Yeah but how manny mass stabbings do they have a year compaired to our shootings

>>690349865
Ummm.... most of your gun violence is caused by Christians. Not even 1% is sandnigger related.

Niggers make up majority of guns crimes, gun control is to take guns out of the hands of responsible owners.

>>690350274

The question you should really be asking is what is the overall murder rate. What weapons are used is completely fucking irrelevant if their murder rate is higher than Americas.

Ops gun is fake lol

>>690350171
>The issue is with mental health for the most part
You can't screen someone and magically know they want to kill someone
Passing those tests is easy as fuck.

>gun crime will drop
No, it wouldn't

>>690350169
You can never completely stop violence. But banning it will significantly lessen it.

Think most can agree that people with mental health issues should not be allowed to purchase weapons.

And possibly regulate the sale of ammunition.

Guns is funs. Brain Paint Aint

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I'm against it.

>>690350288
80 percent of all murders in the US are gang related per the CDC and FBI crime reports. It's simple folks. We deport the niggers.

>>690350459

But banning guns in a country with 300 million guns wouldn't actually work. America isn't a small fucking island like the UK. Criminals won't hand over their guns, you moron. A gun ban would only disarm law abiding citizens, the gangs would be completely unaffected.

>>690348808
It would be preferable to be if in buying a gun, you have to take a thorough training course on gun safety and shit during the waiting period. I am much more terrified of a bold, but fucking stupid guy with a gun than I am a criminal with a gun.

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>>690350459
>But banning it will significantly lessen it

How? Do you think criminals will hand over all their illegal firearms?

>>690349667
man fuck people who think it's okay to walk into a club and shoot 50 innocent people.. fuck that shit dude

>>690350288
Lel. I hope this is b8

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>>690348808
This is all you need to know about gun control.

>>690350727
Oops.

The NRA could have saved a lot of time and agony if they just told the truth:

NRA: we only want white peoole having guns.

>>690350447
There are warning signs of mental instability in children however. Training teachers to report these signs for documentation could go a long way towards prevention.

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>>690350727

yeah I know that already m8

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>>690348808
Idiotic in general, from every possible perspective.

>>690350616
>>690350637
It of course will drop. Won't happen overnight but over a short period the rates will drop.

Organized buybacks to remove majority of guns. Then no more supply which makes it dramatically harder for a gangster to get one.
The rest are taken in over time from individuals by police and very strict punishments for people found with firearms.

Just because a country if big doesn't mean something that's worked in a smaller country won't work. Just needs to be done to scale.

>>690348808
Gun control is not about guns.
It is about government controlling helpless subjects.

>>690348808
i see no problem at all with making the guns that are only used to kill mass amounts of people harder to get with stricter background checks, etc.

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>>690348808
This is the America I want for my kids.

> pic related

>>690350710
Not even close. Are you that retarded that you think Muslims are the one killing everyone in the US?
Christian in name. Christian by descent. Not church going actual Christians. Just like the Orlando shooter was a Muslim in name only.

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'guns were a “ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of good will.”'

Ronald Reagan

>>690351351
agreed, most of the mass shooters have been white. sad but true

>>690350727
It's bad for buisness to have a war between civilians and cops in the streets which would've been possible with a know black extremist group openly carrying weapons in the street. Same goes for the fags in the KKK and and any other extremist group. Killing cops isn't the answer.

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On a serious note I've actually been thinking about this. I've always been for the 2nd amendment, but recently I've been forced to kind of shift my view. I love guns and have been trying to think of a realistic compremise. I came up with the idea of a community armory. You would be able to keep one handgun for every adult in the house if you want, but anything larger than that will be in a locker with the other peoples large weapons. When you wish to use it for recreation you must schedule a pickup and drop off.


Call me a fag all you want but I think that's a fair compromise considering all these virgins going ballistic in public.

>>690348808
doesn't stop people from killin each other

>>690350727
saved, thanks

>>690350939
I figured judging by your original post.

I take it you heard of the SRA?

limit and/or ristrict gun access to people under investigation or past violent offenses. psychological evaluation, background check. offer Gove mentioned buy back to reduce the amount of guns in general. I feel the most important is some kinda of regular mandatory training I feel accidental gun death is a bigger issue that could be help with a proper legislation and oversight

>>690348808
"Don't care"

>>690350616
>>690350637
Guns are worthless when you can't buy bullets anymore.
You seem to think all gangsters can get anything they want when they want it.
If guns are illegal and bullets aren't sold then only 1% of gangbangers which actually be in positions where they can acquire them.

>>690349601
>reasonable gun control is perfectly fine for me. I think background checks are a good idea and I think anyone undergoing psychiatric care or an FBI investigation should not be able to buy a firearm.

>That said, I think typical people should be able to buy whatever the fuck they want if they have the funds for it and machine guns should be able to be imported and manufactured for civilian purchase again in the USA.

I... actually agree with this.

>>690351157
>The rest are taken in over time from individuals by police

How? Do you think cops are just going to knock on everyone's door and forcefully take all weapons?

>harder
Gangs are adept at getting weapons and there's this place called Mexico you're forgetting. Illegal weaponry filters in from there all the time, which goes to gangs, which goes to criminals who fire at people who don't have guns because you banned them

The augments against it are rather compelling, And for it often low effort appeals to emotion
But the reality of the US being uniquely minimal in its gun control in the western world while having third world levels of gun violence make a case rather well for gun. When you have examples vastly more strict measures being very common and very much more successful it really suggests anyone looking for a better system doesnt really have to reinvent the wheel to get a improvement.

Im not really sure what to do about it. But It seems suggestions of More guns = More safety dont seem to pan out in reality.

Id personally buy an assault rifle if I could just because I think they are cool as fuck. Im not speaking from some far left insane viewpoint.
Im just looking at this from a hopefully reason based standpoint. And the status quo looks bad.

>>690351868
stop the bullets and it's meaningless.

>>690351488
You are a fag. Who determines when I can or can't obtain my firearm? Why bother owning if it isn't really going to be my property? This is America, and I'll be the only one handling my very expensive rifles.

>>690351424
It's not sad. Just logical. Most of America is white. Of course most of violence will be white too.
Blacks generally kill other blacks over black things.
Mexicans generally kill other Mexicans over Mexican things.
Whites though are more ambitious.

>>690351710

The American civilian population owns approximately 12 TRILLION rounds of ammo. Good luck with your "bullet ban" lol

>>690350404
Its only irrelevant if they arent so easy to get. Look im not saying we ban them, thats stupid and impossible. Im saying, you look at who people are gettin killed by. Its the guys with metal problems and social issues. You dont see the Dave from the car dealership that has a healthy family life with is wife Sara snap and shoot up 12 year olds. Its so goddamn easy for these people to get gun, what the fuck else CAN we do to get everyone to help stop making happen every other goddamn week!

>>690351933
actually yes your idea of wanting a highly efficient rifle just because "it is cool as fuck" is liberal and stupid.
you seem like the kind of person who is unfit to own a firearm

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>>690351157
That will never work in America. Guns are part of the American Identity. Our country was born with a pen in one hand and a gun in another. And every kid grew up with that taught to them and told not to let the government ever take your ability to fight back.

>>690352114
Driving around the country to buy small amounts of ammo of a specific caliber and quality for personal use sounds practical to you?

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>>690351983
On thursday you go in and be like "sup fag, I'm going to the range on Saturday, I'll drop it off Sunday"

Hard as fuck.

>>690351710
Except foreign nations frequently sell arms and ammunition to anyone who can pay, which fosters the illegal sale of these items. Then you also have to worry about the billions of rounds of ammunition already in circulation. Seriously, how dumb are you?

>>690348808
>Hold the gun w/ 2 hands

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some time in the future there will be a war that will be faught on American soil. maybe WW3 or WW4 and it might be in 10 years or 50 years or 100 years or 500 years or 1000 years but it will eventuallyu happen. when it does every American is gonna want a gun. A Japanese general once said that America will never be invaded because there would be a gun behind every blade of grass. I like it that way. if the gov removes guns from citizens there would no longer be a gun behind every blade of grass. we would be much more vulnerable to attack by other countries such as the Chinese or Russians. Thats why i think we should be allowed to keep out guns especially the assault style ones.

>>690352274
Nice low effort reply.
Literally every person that owns a collection of anything does for a reason that boils down to "Its cool"
You are unfit to shitpost on 4chan

>>690352114
You are giving gangsters way to much credit. Gangsters operate within their means. Yes a tiny minority will still be able to get guns and bullets but the street level riff raff won't. You take it away from them and the crime goes down.

You sound like Iran saying we need nuclear weapons because America has them.

>>690351452
>a war between civilians and cops in the streets

????

The cops were a lot less violent when the Panthers were on the corners.

They also made it very clear that it's the same enemy oppressing blacks as poor whites. They were black, and they were extremist against the American government. They knew that the importance of race is that it's a role one play in society. That role has a political character. "Black extremist" makes it sound like something it's not.

Check out some primary sources on them. The Panthers reached their most advanced politics in '68-'69, early on they were rather misogynistic and pretty angsty / edgy against whites (not hard to understand) but they were never an anti-white hate group.

Eldrige Cleaver's "post-prison writings and speeches" is a great read even though Cleaver was broken later on, and Malcom X's later speeches (on youtube) follows his politics from being anit-white to anti-this-society. He was killed by the anti-white hate group Nation of Islam before the Panthers were founded, but they were all hugely influenced by Malcolm's ability to re-evaluate his own prejudices.

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>>690352784
>calls post low energy
>still replied

>>690353060
Low effort actually

>>690352485
So what would be the point of it being in a locker to begin with? Who determines when or if I can obtain my firearm? Who would be in charge of these lockers? Because the government can fuck up a cup of coffee, and trusting them with the safekeeping of tens of thousands of dollars of my property isn't appealing in the slightest.

>>690352299
Your government has already raped you dry and given you stockholmes syndrone.
Seriously not taking away your guns is the only reason you've allowed your government to fuck you over. You feel as long as you have that then you can always fight back if it gets too bad, all the while though they're doing more and more shit which you should be overtaking them for but you don't because yo think they haven't taken my gun away they can't be that bad.

You really think citizens Need guns to overthrow a corrupt regime? Citizens need citizens to revolt. Nothing else.

>>690353407

dont even both engaging with him, dude

>>690352790
The riff raff will then flock to bigger fish who can supply them. Thus a cartel is born.

depends on what country one lives

Both hands. Learn into it. Exhale half your breath. Squeeze the trigger don't jerk

>>690353407
you are too low energy for this thread tbh

>>690352485
On thursday you go in and be like "sup fag, I'm going to have a nigger breaking my house with a knife who wants to rape my wife on saturday, I'll drop it off Sunday"

Hard as fuck.

>>690353904

now das my kind of feminism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awCRaGkowjY

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>>690348808

It's absolutely necessary and the NRA is a terrorist organization.

The Armalite was developed for the military, never civilians. It's a weapon designed to kill lots of humans and nothing more. It's a poor weapon for sport, hobby and hunting. It's only purpose is murder.

Thanks entirely to the subhuman trash in the GOP and NRA, mass murder has become an every week occurance AND is the goal of gun manufacturers, because fear increases profits.

CURRENT GUN LAW INADEQUACIES:

1. The purchase of a firearm requires no training of any kind, for use, safety, storage, etc.

2. Semiautomatics that are outfitted for insurgent pushback and mass killing are available to the public to anyone without any addtional permit system.

3. None of the gun stores have a database linked to themselves to be able to warn others. Omar was turned away and REPORTED by a gun dealer but Florida's non-existent gun laws allowed him to walk to another store and purchase the weapon he used to mass murder 50 people.

4. The Charleston Loophole -- gun dealers can sell a weapon with ZERO background check being completed if the process of clearing the requestor takes longer than 3 days.

5. Thanks to the dickless lunatics in the NRA, people on no-fly and terror watch lists are not bannd from buying guns.

6. The US has no safe storage laws. In fact, over 100 people are killed per year are killed by TODDLERS who found their guns lying around and blew their retarded asses away. Furthermore, leaving guns lying around is the #1 way that the black market acquires "legally purchased" firearms.

The Armalite series has been the go-to gun for domestic terrorists and fringe lunatics for a good while now and the inadequacies of US gun laws are well known and pointed out by terrorist training videos. It may be a semiautomatic but here's the thing:

High-capacity magazines need to be regulated. Even sportsmen should agree than anyone with more than ten-to-twelve rounds in one "go" is up to no good.

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>>690353534
It would be by neighborhood. Just a locker room that you have an elected guy work as a quartermaster. No one touches your guns, you just store them there and can come and go, but to move them you just have to have prior notice. You still have your handguns as I stated, and it still gives you protection from guvment trying to impose themselves on you, anything happens you and your community will have access to the weapons. If for some reason you really really really need your guns for something other than what you and your neighbors agree on then maybe you won't go on that autistic shooting spree.

>>690354445
>The Armalite was developed for the military
Not it wasn't.

ignoring the second amendment for the moment, there's some simple math -- fewer guns means fewer illegal guns in the hands of criminals. this cannot be disputed.

what is difficult to answer are questions such as, is it better to have 1 criminal with a gun and 10 good guys vs. 10 criminals and 100 good guys? is the ratio constant in that manner or would it be more like 1 vs. 10 and 5 vs. 100 (in which case more guns is obviously better).

on the other hand, think about how many times a good guy with a gun has prevented anything bad from happening. it is very rare. you never hear about it in the news. more guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens is not necessarily meaningful -- you make more guns, people buy them, they eventually get sold and somehow end up in the hands of people who shouldn't have them and the good guys have more don't necessarily fix anything.

since i believe in our right to bear arms, i believe the only thing that makes sense is to do that best job we can of making sure guns don't end up in the hands of criminals, the insane, and terror threats and otherwise do not infringe our rights. in other words, more and deeper background checks and new laws to prevent the families of people with mental health problems and people on do-not-fly lists from owning firearms.

thanks for considering my rambles.

>>690348808

The only way to reduce gun crime is to increase the number of guns people have.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded

>>690348808
every able bodied man should carry.

>>690352488
And how long you think the ammo will last? Raid after raid, increased penalties. And heavy protection for current caches. Same thing happened in every country before. Same shit arguments. Oh then only bad guys will have guns. Yes some will. Like 1% the top dogs in the gangs. Will have guns but the street level who do all the shit won't.

Oh we have too many bullets. No you don't. The military an police do. Yes private citizens have a fair bit but th majority hand it over in buybacks and the gangsters tend to sell it quickly to multiple buyers rather than hoard and a fair portion is apprehended by authorities when gun and bullet control becomes a priority.

Oh were too big. Size doesn't matter. It just means you have more resources to dedicate to it. You are not using a uk or australia sized police force. You are using an American sized one. It's to scale.

Every country has had these arguments. And then ten years later have noticed a significant decrease in gun violence. The violence doesn't just stop over night but the results are noticeable within a few years.

Also bonus argument for Americans. Oh we need guns to fight tyranny. Wake up. The government is already that. Guns don't make revolutions people do. You don't need to physically go to war with the Whitehouse anymore. Simply having the people who want change is enough.

>>690354604
actual reasoned thought! No way!

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>>690354604

Gun control doesn't mean fewer guns, it means fewer legal guns.

here, let me apply the same fucking logic in a way you can understand:

The drug war doesn't mean fewer drugs, it means drugs are criminalized.

>>690354627

Uh, no. YOU are the retarded one.

>>690348808
"gun control' is "abortion" spelled backwards

>>690354627
right? what happened in all the lawless towns full of cowboys in the 1800s west?
well the sheriff and his deputy showed up to restore order.... the reason every kid plated "cops and robbers".... the only thing to stop bad guys with guns are GOOD guys with guns

In /k/'s elegant words...

SHALL
NOT
BE
INFRINGED

>>690355016
see >>690354869
retard

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>>690354175
Hey dumbfuck, remember that handgun I explicitly said you can keep as home defense?

Maybe you should read the full post before aping out with a hypothetical situation I've already addressed in the post prior.

>>690353904
gonna be nice and ironic when that kid finds her loaded, unlocked gun and kills itself with it. yaaay moms with guns lol

>>690353768
The cartels too live within their means. It's not so easy to get a gun as cocaine.

Cocaine you can make. Cocaine is light. Guns are hard to make. Bullets are hard. And they heavy. Much harder to smuggle. The top will covet their guns and the price of one will be far too high for the majority. You seem to think every gangster will stil have a gun. Don't b naive and so fearful. That's not the real world. >>

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>>690354809

Nice try, retard.

I'm quite pro-gun. I'm just not stupid enough to trust Ma and Pa Kettle civilians with military weapons designed specifically to mow down PEOPLE.

>>690350727
Nigger, Ronney RayGun was an actor back then

>>690354260
Bible shouldn't be banned. That book is great for teaching kids what stupid people believe.

>>690355182
>I'm just not stupid enough to trust Ma and Pa Kettle civilians with military weapons designed specifically to mow down PEOPLE.
good thing that those kinds of decisions aren't up to you, huh? faggit

>>690348808
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

>>690350679
All Muslims think that's OK

>>690355066

>well-regulated militia
>necessity of covered wagon families to have protection where there are no police

Yep, THAT'S sure a relevant statement.

>>690354445
fuck m8, +1

>>690349104

HEY O

>>690355418
why are you making shit up faggot?
>necessary to the security of a FREE STATE
do we not live in a free state anymore?

fuck off nigger

>>690355137

It happens millions of times a day.*

* In your fantasies

>>690355172
Nice try.
If only that picture actually made any sense...

>>690355325

They should be.

Thing of how stupid the average person is, the realize half of them are stupider than that.

Now envision ALL the lowest IQ people in te country clutching guns designed to kill humans en masse because they're retarded enough to think they might need to use them against the government or basically people with political stances that are incongruous to their own.

No fucking thank you. These people shouldn't be allowed to own any object more dangerous than a spork.

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USA have the most idiot and ignorant people in the world. Leave that fat faggots kill themselves.

>>690355748
>They should be.
>Thing of how stupid the average person is, the realize half of them are stupider than that.
that must mean you are pretty friggin dumb, eh?
how can i trust anything you say?

i don't think i will

>>690354828
>Gun control doesn't mean fewer guns, it means fewer legal guns.

this is a type of fallacious argument. if "gun control" is defined as fewer legal guns and the same number of illegal guns, then of course no one would support it. it's childish nonsense to even bring that into the argument because it can be dismissed out of hand.

obviously, we are assuming there are ways to reduce the number of illegal guns without reducing the number of legal guns, though possibly delaying their purchase for some number of days while backgrounds, criminal activity, no-fly lists, mental health records, skin color (j/k) are checked out thoroughly. or maybe that doesn't work, but as another poster pointed out, maybe it would help to make gun safety mandatory. maybe it would help if police had more gun purchase and turn-in programs to keep unwanted guns from being sold cheap under the table and ending up on the street. lots of things that can be considered, but obviously ineffective things should not be done -- we don't know what is effective until we try a few things (omg says the NRA, nooooo! slippery slope! -- well things are going just swell now, so keep doing the same thing?)

>>690349601
>background checks
already have them
>anyone undergoing psychiatric care or an FBI investigation should not be able to buy a firearm
that's covered in the background check...

>>690348808
you should control a gun into your mounth you fucking nugget

>>690355182

Have you discussed this with you psychiatrist?

>>690355765

That's not edgy. It's 100% known truth.

>>690355195

No, he was guv'nur starting in 1967. Go look it up. Reagan's CAA was a huge political force against the Panthers at the time.

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>>690348808

To me...

The issue is crazy people. Mostly muslim crazy people, but crazy people in general. People who think that going and killing a bunch of strangers and then dying in a suicide is totally a good choice and the right way to end their life. Their means to do so is a gun, or guns. So take away those means and they can't do it, right? Well the problem with that is that you are limiting a freedom because of a few bad apples.

I'm not in favor of limiting a freedom because of a few bad apples UNLESS there is a major crisis at stake. Currently the random shootings aren't a real danger. You are 100x more likely to be killed in a car accident than one of these random shootings. So are you terrified of getting behind the wheel of a car?

Don't punish the good gun owners because of a handful of nutcases. Let's address the real problem: mental health.

That being said, I think getting rid of assault rifles would be fine. You don't need them for hunting and you don't need them for self defense.

>>690355624
about 2 every 3 days on average last year
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/31/kids-accidentally-shot-people-5-times-a-week-this-year-on-average/

>>690356183
oh to be so young.. and so supple

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>>690356082
yeah and he was saying that's a good thing moron

>>690355899

I'm a hell of a lot smarter than most, if not all, of the people voicing the opinions I outlined in my post.

That's just a fact. We have statistics that prove these thing; not to mention the IQ system, while flawed, puts me head and shoulders about almost all Republicans and Tealibanis.

It's just too damn bad that intelligence isn't a weighting factor when deciding laws and politics in this country.

>>690356030

>we don't know what is effective until we try a few things (omg says the NRA, nooooo! slippery slope! -- well things are going just swell now, so keep doing the same thing?)

So, let's TRY ending gun free zones.

>>690356126
>>690356126

>discussing common sense facts with a psychiatrist

Why the hell would I do that?

>>690351576
>I take it you heard of the SRA?

Not sure, I'm pretty familiar with the Panthers and NoI but that's a new acronym to me.

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>>690356434
i think you aren't half as smart as you think you are. maybe not even a quarter!
that's my opinion though. we all have one. kind of like assholes.. we all have those too. yep

>>690356394

Which version of him?

The non-existent pacifistic, humanist Arab Spring version?

Or the non-existent white, gun-toting corporatist egoist Republitard version?

>>690356292

And why do you care?

>>690356284
>Don't punish the good gun owners because of a handful of nutcases

No one wants to punish good gun owners (well maybe Bernie supporters do, dunno).

We want to find ways to reduce the number of guns available to nutcases -- it's not easy to figure out, and we are getting ZERO help from gun rights activists (since they preposterously think the solution is for every single citizen to have a gun and have wild, amateur shootouts in the street every time there is a crime -- actually i don't believe anyone intelligent believes this, it's just a line they use to cling to the status quo that benefits the NRA who obviously get kickbacks from gun manufacturers cha-ching, money in pocket drives everything as usual and we the people are the sucker true believers as usual).

>>690356754
there was only one jesus christ you silly ignorant twat. how you choose to interpret his message is up to you

you might wind up in hell so be careful though

>>690356566

Because you confuse your delusions with "common sense".

>>690356082
Google "13 yr old buys gun at gun show"

>>690356766
because someone posted a propaganda pic of a woman holding a baby and a gun... try to scroll up a bit before getting snippy

>>690355748

OK, so let's make an IQ test required: The higher you score, the more powerful weapon you can get.

Pic related fumbled the nuclear football. We can't have that shit happening again, right?

>>690357251

I fucked that up didnt I

ok, just imagine I posted a picture of your least favorite president

>>690357057

You DO know that Christianity is a 100% verified false religion, right?

"Jesus" as you know him never existed and all his characteristics, as well as the rites and customs of that religion were stolen from various older Pagan belief systems.

There is NOTHING in Christianity that is original or truthful.

>>690356921
>since they preposterously think the solution is for every single citizen to have a gun and have wild, amateur shootouts in the street every time there is a crime

Let's try it and see how it works.

>>690356284
>Their means to do so is a gun, or guns. So take away those means and they can't do it, right?
Guns may be the first choice most people have for things like that, but bombs are both easier to make and more destructive. Be careful in your proposals that you don't push crazy people's behavior to a less desirable equilibrium.

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>>690356754

>>690356561

Yup, let's try it. I think school security should be armed, though they then will need to be better trained and will cost more.

>>690354445
>Armalite was developed for the military
No
>It's a poor weapon
I'll give you this much.
>It's only purpose is murder.
No
>CURRENT GUN LAW INADEQUACIES
While I completely agree with points 1 & 4...
>Semiautomatics that are outfitted for insurgent pushback and mass killing
top kek, they don't "outfit" semi-autos for "insurgent pushback" or "mass killings"
>people on no-fly and terror watch lists
You'd be real surprised at the people that pop up on these lists. Simply bitching about the TSA can get you put on that list.
>leaving guns lying around is the #1 way that the black market acquires "legally purchased" firearms
Generally the black market is filled with stolen (most often from pawn/gun shops) or smuggled firearms.
>High-capacity magazines need to be regulated.
There is literally nothing stopping someone from carrying a shitload of preloaded lo-cap mags. There's also nothing stopping anyone from simply making their own.

>The Armalite series
The media sure is pushing this one.
Adam Lanza didn't use an AR-15
Omar Mateen didn't use an AR-15
James Holmes didn't use an AR-15
Seung-Hui Cho didn't use an AR-15

>>690357499
christ was a jew and his message came to be known as Christianity which broke off into many factions.. many heretical

fuck off you underaged heathen

>>690357499
While I do agree that many practices have been taken from paganism and adopted into Christianity, Jesus did in fact exist. Official Roman records prove that. Now whether he was the son of God is totally up for debate. Also i do find it annoying how western Christians portray him as a white man with Nordic traits. Get fuckin real he was a shit skin

>>690354627
So basicly an arms race? Those always turn out well.

>>690348808
Current US gun laws WHEN FOLLOWED are extremely effective, and legal gun owners are some of the most law abiding citizens in the country.
the gov't etimates that 60% of gun deaths are suicides. That's really unfortunate but gun ownership is not a requirement of the act, they will find a way.
The other 40% are a mix between crimes of passion i.e. jealous lover, spousal abuse, those sort of crimes that are already illegal, and are going to happen because people are unstable, not because it's convenient for them, and drug/gang related killings. these too are going to happen whether guns are legal or not because the majority of these crimes are happening with weapons that were already obtained illegally.

SO making the crime MORE illegal is not a method of prevention, it's a form of whats called "security theater" where something doesn't actually work but it makes you feel safe, like a gate with no lock.

>>690357251
>OK, so let's make an IQ test required: The higher you score, the more powerful weapon you can get.

How about below avg. IQ, you get no gun.
Avg. you get a single shot.
You can have 1 more round in a mag. for every point above avg.
Pass the 30 rd mag. IQ, and you get a machinegun.

You cool with that?

>>690348808
i think the general population of amerifats is too stupid to be armed and shouldn't be allowed to carry something that can end a life more or less instantaneously. action movies have them convinced they can be badasses or whatever when in reality they're just fucking trigger happy. take that cockmongler zimmerman for example. if he hadn't shot a black kid he'd be locked away somewhere with no sunshine for the rest of his life. dude had an itchy trigger finger, wanted to play the hero, and found an easy target.

>>690357515
>Let's try it and see how it works.

Science. Let's do it... except we have been trying it on a small scale and I feel like it's not helping much. I would like to see some stats on how often someone managed to use their gun to stop a crime -- I only have anecdotal data, such as the guy a few weeks ago who tried to intervene in a domestic and pulled his piece and got his ass shot. Point being, we should already have sufficient data to determine if everyone having guns would be good or bad. Imagine your mom fumbling around with a gun with an intruder in the house... maybe your mom is a crack shot but my mom would probably shoot the dog and drop the gun.

>>690358169
aren't iq tests just math? that shit doesn't measure common sense, and common sense is the issue.

>>690358180
Are you retarded?

>>690357785
yeah except the king didn't have bomb drones you cum gargling fag

>>690358169
IQ is not a measurement of judgement or stability, or a useful predictor of any metric, and while it might get you into a neat club or a gifted program high IQ people are just as wholly unremarkable as the rest of us.

>>690356561
Right! Guns in government buildings, airports, bars, and sporting events. Because fuck it!

>No fly/terrorist watch list

>I think it is a good thing for governments to have secret lists that anyone can be put on for unknown reasons by unknown people and never told about it or given any recourse to face their accuser/accusations and they should also be able to take away your basic human rights for this.

People should be far more concerned about a government keeping such a list than a few rednecks with guns.

>>690358456
americans are fucking dumb, that's all. they're dumb.

>>690357251

It would be helpful to, say, limit firearm purchases based on IQ, but IQ is too flawed of a way to diagnose intelligence.

Here's the thing--regulate them and have state or federal licensing system JUST TO OWN THEM like we do with cars. Then you can gauge someone's "gun safety factor" based on standardized testing relating to gun safety.

Another idea I think has merit is creating a national database of firearms logged by their barrel rifling/marking, not the serial number, and tracked to people they're sold to.

Even when the gun isn't used BY THE OWNER, you can still much more easily trace it and figure out how it managed to find its way into criminal hands and then police could use pattern algorithms to install additional controls as they deem it necessary.

Here's the whole deal: the Orlando Shooting was 100% preventable but failed on multiple accounts mostly due to NRA bullshit and Florida's shit-tier gun laws. When Omar was turned away from one gun dealer, that should have locked him down from buying one from anyone else. Any simple database system attached to law enforcement can do that. We just need to get past the subhuman GOP and NRA to the point where we can start discussing these kinds of lesser-to-non-invasive controls.

Did you know that, had Omar done this shit in California, he'd have had to reload his 10-bullet max magazines using a tool? He'd have killed about 20 people with his same loadout and then the clubbers and police would have had all the time in the world to kill him while he was reloading.

>>690358632
dude unless you're muslim odds are you aren't on any lists. it's creepy and stupid but it's not anything white people have to worry about.

>>690358296
>I would like to see some stats on how often someone managed to use their gun to stop a crime

I'm 1 for 1
My wife's 2 for 2.

I really don't give a shit about the rest of the world.

>>690358530
There's a way to take a drone out of the sky. Iran has this tech.

Most of the mass shooters are liberals.

We should just make it illegal for democrats to have guns.

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>>690348808
a liberal pipe dream

>>690358723
>Another idea I think has merit is creating a national database of firearms logged by their barrel rifling/marking, not the serial number, and tracked to people they're sold to.

3/4 of my guns don't have their original barrel.

>>690358853
shit dude it just sounds like the universe kinda wants you dead. give us an update in a year and if either of your numbers pass 5 just become an hero.

also
>/b/
>wife
lol. ishygddt.

>>690358966
They don't own guns, though. They're liberals who want gun control

>>690358826
They have had everything from 2 year old kids to congressmen on the list

>>690358922
that's cool. does the average citizen? no.

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>>690349865

It's a bit different when France is open to the rest of Europe with a wide variety in gun control. The US is open to Canada. Trump will get his anti-Spic wall and the control on that side is already such that if a Mexican tried to enter with a firearm they'd probably be killed anyway. Basically the US should have banned automatic firearm sales and started amnesty hand ins ages ago. Australia hasn't had a shooting of the calibre seen earlier in the month since the English were mowing down natives and people don't care about the fact they can't buy a gun because they know the scum down the street can't buy one either. And when you've limited gun ownership as much as Australia has, obtaining guns illegally becomes so much harder because money that would otherwise be spent monitoring people with firearms licences is instead spent on eliminating illegal trade.

Basically Australia > America in every way, except for the fact that we're all terrible racist bigoted low life degenerate cunts descended from criminals and with the worst maintained government of any western first world country in the world. TBH I don't understand why /b/ hates Australians so much when you all basically are Australians.

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Outrage does not change minds. Money does. The river of money will not
alter its course because a thousand first-graders were rounded up and
machine-gunned to death. An event like that will change zero minds and
deflect zero dollars from their course.

The river of money will cut a new channel far from the gun lobby when
it becomes apparent that their candidates can’t win elections. This
will be a result of the slow but inexorable demographic alteration of
the country.

The one single event that might bring this change closer is
redistricting. When congressional districts are drawn along cartesian
squares, or along population contours, the country will change. The
1/5 of the population that uphold the gun lobby, the authoritarians,
will no longer have the money and power to dominate the whole country.

The mass murders that happen between now and then will be completely
irrelevant to the outcome. Eventually, within the next hundred years,
the United States will require a federal license to own guns. Most of
the country’s arsenal of small arms will be bought by the government
and recycled. Some guns will remain in the hands of responsible
owners. Democracy will continue without the Stalinist takeover of
society and the boyish sex fantasy of grim resistance.

The gun lobby will be powerless and penniless to resist. Their
candidates will be considered radioactive by donors. Not because of
all the mass-murdered people—but because of the poor, defenseless
money that would be wasted by giving it to a Republican.

The poor money—won’t anybody think of the money?

Don’t waste your time with a moment of silence. Put out your candles
that do nothing. Shout “REDISTRICTING AND REPRESENTATION!” like you
were remembering the Alamo. Maybe something catchier than that. But
that’s the way to memorialize the heaps of thousands of mass-murdered
people. Take the districts. Take the elections. Take the money. Take
the future.

>>690358723
There is a state and federal system. the barel/rifle marking is CSI nonsense that can easily be tampered with. barrels are easy as shit to swap/modify/replace.
Omar was reported to the FBI who failed to act, the NRA has nothing to do with investigative failures.
If he had been in California he simply would have driven to a different state to get bigger magazines, or any other of the dozens of simple workarounds for those ridiculously ineffective laws.

>>690359246
>citation needed

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>>690359154
The ones that do the shootings do get guns though.

And I know they aren't really anti gun. They just want the government to have all of the guns because history has proven that always works out for the best.

>>690359205
cool keep kids on the list until they have the self control not to scream and keep congressmen off indefinitely. fuck em.

>>690349560
Guns are more important than niggers. Niggers will buy guns illegally like the do already and then it will be down hill even faster

>>690359356
Most niggers are democrats according to democrats themselves and the media.
Most shootings are done by niggers according to fbi statistics.
That alone points to most gun crime being committed by democrats.

>>690356921
If the government is willing to establish policies that actually produce a peaceful society where people are not at risk of violence, theft, or other things they'd want to protect themselves from, low levels of gun ownership works well. If social order breaks down, however, an armed populace can resist abuses from criminals better than an unarmed populace.

>>690357845

The Armalite base was used for all their weapons, actually. Just because it wasn't the standard "AR-15" that doesn't mean the "important bits" weren't all the same.

>not outfitted for insurgen pushback

Yes they are. A lot of people think it's stupid to regulate nonlethal gun accessories, but Stabilizers and muzzle suppressors and certain kinds of stocks are all designed for accuracy in firefights and multishot situations. You don't need quickfire accuracy in hunting or sports, so....

>people who don't belong on the list can get on it
So what? Then they're delayed a few weeks while the government clears them of suspicion. That's how it fucking WORKS. If I call up and threaten some official, even if it's a bluff, I'll be added to a list and checked out too. They aren't psychic mindreaders.

>pawn shop guns
And where do you suppose the petty thieves who sold them to the pawn brokers got them? From retards who leave them lying around instead of using a gun safe.

>nothing stopping multiple lo-cap mags
Well, you can sell the gun as a tooled mag release like in California. But you're right, they can just get a bunch of mags....but then buying a whole bunch of them in quick succession might have them show up on the registry's RADAR, no?

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This is how I feel

>>690348808
Yep, making extra steps in the process of buying guns would provide a barrier to entry that would make it take longer for someone to get a gun if they decided to shoot some place up. That might be enough time to save lives. The rest of you can deal with a longer wait time.

>>690359143
>shit dude it just sounds like the universe kinda wants you dead. give us an update in a year and if either of your numbers pass 5 just become an hero.

No, 2 niggers wanted my car, 1 nigger wanted my wife's purse, and 1 nigger wanted my wife's pussy.

Notice a common theme here?

>>690351157
That happened in Australia and you know what happened? Crime rate increased dramatically. Turns out banning guns from te good to protect themselves left them defenseless

>>690360038
>That might be enough time to save lives.

Or it might not.

>>690359121

Do you think someone buying it for a killing event will do that?

Gun enthusiasts can swap barrels, sure. But the majority of people who buy them wouldn't know to do that or have the expertise to.

>>690359337

It's still a lot more likely to stay intact for law enforcement tracking than the stupid, worthless serial number.

>>690359216
An enemy nation helping rebels overthrow the status quo who makes their life difficult? That would never happen

>>690360038
"a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

>>690360059
But GUN CRIME decreased.
Who cares if they use a knife.

>>690360006

You feel like a butthurt, anti-American retard?

Sorry, I guess...

>>690360054

>notice a common theme here

Yeah, they're all things that didn't happen.

>>690360258
>Gun enthusiasts can swap barrels, sure. But the majority of people who buy them wouldn't know to do that or have the expertise to.

Disassemble gun as you normally would for cleaning.
Reassemble gun using new barrel.

Yeah, lot's of expertise there.

>>690360059

There are no automatic or semiautomatic knives capable of mowing down human beings. Just saiyan.

>>690360777
I can see how that would confuse your average antigunner...

>>690348808
Ideally, they should be banned, but that wouldn't/shouldn't happen because all the rednecks and gun fags would lose their shit and probably try to secede or something

>>690360772
>Yeah, they're all things that didn't happen.

When an idiot gets proven to be an idiot, the last resort is always "it didn't happen".

>>690360890
wait there are 100s of millions of legal guns in the US.. are you saying they are all owned by rednecks? are you mentally retarded or something?

>>690360890

>try to secede

Don't get my hopes up. Do have any idea how much money we'd save if we didn't have to support all their redneck asses?

>>690360879
>There are no automatic or semiautomatic knives capable of mowing down human beings. Just saiyan.

My knives never need reloadin'.

>>690359783
>Armalite base was used for all their weapons
Whether you're talking about the military or the shooters, both are a solid no.
>designed for accuracy
Yes.
>in firefights
And any other kind of shooting situation.
>You don't need quickfire accuracy in hunting or sports
Again, top kek.
>That's how it fucking WORKS.
Except that is not how it works. You can be on that list indefinitely for any reason.
>buying a whole bunch of them in quick succession might have them show up on the registry's RADAR
You're assuming that they're bought in quick succession.

>>690361051
Are you really surprised he would think something that stupid?

>>690361051

First of all, your number is way off.

Second of all, gun owners of a lesser intelligence tend to hoard and stockpile them for "the coming war with the gubbmint".

While a large percentage of Americans own guns, there's a significant concentration of redneck/NRA lunatics who own LOTS of them.

>>690349519
fag

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>>690349533
Check out jason bourne

>>690361345
>First of all, your number is way off.
no actually it isn't. you really have no idea what the fuck you are talking about do you?
are you 15 years old? be honest

So, funny thing about this thread. Did you know you can legally buy a fully functioning tank in the U.S?

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>>690361345
more than 300 million guns in all. Gun sales have increased in recent years.
that is only speaking of the legal ones mostly... as there is no way to actually know how many "illegal" ones there are because... they aren't registered genius

>>690349573
Whats need to be banned is the spread of isis. The president is helping them to destroy our freedom, take away our options to fight back and they will kill us slowly. Europe is the great example. Dont fall into their traps!

>>690361924
what

>>690349519
Gonna start avoiding any pictures with small wording.

>>690362055
it would help if you stayed on reddit

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>>690360351
Your state is not free, corrupt. You didn't lose because of guns and bombs but though money and deals.

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>>690362623

Oh look THIS retarded argument again.

The NRA and Florida Republicans are 100% to blame for Omar being able to get ahold of enough firepower to kill 50 people and injure 53 more.

He's only a "democrat" because Republicans are actively racist, bigoted subhuman assholes and its' a two party system. He wasn't a democrat voter so much as an anti-Republican one. Just like most of the black people.

>>690362965
There's 4chan where both are accepted.

>>690362955
you seem butthurt. I hope you aren't one of those bum countries who won't receive anymore gibsmedats when Trump is elected

>>690362965

OK, this is 100% fucking stupid and you're a moron for posting it.

One of these things has the potential to mass murder innocent civilians.

The other has the potential to make some guy's dick wet.

Let's think about this for a second...

>>690363099

see

>>690363090

>>690361924
Isis is shrinking. Desertions and them getting bombed to hell by coalition bombings. Losing territories. We're passed their plateau and now it's descending

>>690363256
you aren't funny or clever. i don't want shitposting like this in my thread. consider this your final warning

>>690363090
I am all for guns body armor and whatever the fuck you want to carry. I am not okay with people saying it is to protect them from the evil government, then go ahead to submit to the the same government.

>>690363181
The anti gun liberal hellhole known as australia.

>>690363256
>Let's think about this for a second...
But you're a moron.

>>690363392
>consider this your final warning

Fucking kek

>>690363392

I think you're mistaken. CLEARLY this faggot:

>>690362378
>>690362484
>>690362623
>>690362965
>>690363090

Is the shitposter.

Also

>your thread
>warning

TOP KEK. kys.

>>690360059
umm thats not what happened

>>690363256
The image macro is about mental ness, not power.

>>690362965
>Fabric vs death machine
>Fabric is worse
>American "logic"

You motherfuckers will always be a punchline.

>>690363099
Funny thing is not all those people we killed by him. They found out come were killed by the SWAT team from hitting the block wall behind him. Also witness from the inside said that he was talking to someone one else. as if he wasn't acting alone. Also witnesses stated that when they went for the exits someone was holding them closed from the outside. Yep we need Hillery's open boarders and take in more refugees. We don't have enough ISIS supporters in the US now, we need to import more of them.

>>690355686
Not OP but assume ISIS are the British and liberals think they'll defeat them with gun free zones and safe spaces

>>690363453

You mean HE'S a moron for equating them.

>>690363371
LOL!