>>690125510
666 Masonry is Satanic 666

>>690125510
Don't know jack about Christianity but I do know that Religion is not a factor to becoming a Mason

>>690125778
But faith in a higher power is

>>690125510
Heaven is the comfort for those who fear the emptiness of life. I believe that heaven , if real, is open to everyone. Even if you go to hell, that probably will be just like prision, you stay there sometime and then you are free.

>>690125778
Yes it is. You must believe in a "higher power" to be a Mason, but it doesn't matter what religion.

However the vast majority of Masons are Christians.

Mason's aren't a spooky group, by the way. They're just like local lobbyists, basically. Do a little charity too.

>>690125510
All Masonry is, is an assortment of people of varying religion. The main core value is to better yourself, regardless of what you believe in.

>>690125510
Get off b anthony

>>690125510
its a requirement to be a christian for most masonic clubs and associated fraternity especially the knightly orders, all the rumors are bullshit its just kind of a frat but with political and military elite so that senators kids and such can get the right contacts and mentors.

Freemasony does not require you to be Christian, but, you are required to have a belief in a supreme being. It doesn't really matter what religion it is, or even if it is a forma religion, but you do need to have that belief. Athiests cannot become masons.

>>690126002
Yes

>>690125510
More answers here, OP
http://www.gotquestions.org/free-masonry.html

>>690126036
It's literally this OP.
It's an acknowledgement of some higher meaning/power

Ask me about my grandmother.

>>690126160
Thanks you a mason?

>>690126331
Is your grandma a mason?

>>690125510

Maybe you should reflect on what being a christian means. Your god doesnt give a shit about the vatican or the pope or free masonry, its about accepting jesus and all that shit. As long as you stick with that, should go alright for heaven

>>690126556
Mason's are basically all men. Never met a female mason.

>>690126036
>Mason's aren't a spooky group
>They're just like local lobbyists
lobbyists are the spookiest groups in the world.

>>690126633
How do you know? Have you talked to god?

You realize that before the 16th century, if you wanted a bible, you had to hand-copy the whole thing yourself? Try copying just one page and see how many mistakes you make.

Add in translations of translations of translations, and 9/10th of the bible is vastly different from the original texts.

He thinks god is real. That's sweet.

>>690125510
no and you don't want to know

>>690126700

Not true. However, women are banned from some grades/roles. Also men and women are separated.

Maybe its different in the US though, only know about scottish rite

>>690126865
Powerful, yes. Spooky, no.

Rothschilds, Rockefeller, Bilderberg, Zionists, etc are the spooky ones.

>>690126124
Fucking warped Anthony is an android

>>690125510
You have to believe in a creator and that such a divine architect will reward good works. This is the core tennent of the freemasons, it's why my brother in law was rejected. He's a staunch atheist, wanted to make contacts for his political career, was too honest to lie on his application. He's brilliant, but refuses to compromise his morals in the pursuit of power. He'll make a shit politician, but he's a fantastic human being.

>>690127029

9/10th of the Bible was probably added along the years anyway.

The opinion of other men on the way you live your religion are completely irrelevant. From my understanding its about your relationship with god.

Free masons have no problems with you being a christian as long as you are respectuous of other religions as well. You should dig a bit on the internet, there is an important ritualistic aspect that might be disturbing to you, but to the people that belong to the group, its mostly about networking or intellectual masturbation

>>690128023
But what is god? Who's definition are we using? Which god?

From talking with a family member who is a Mason it's a symbolic thing.

>>690128547

Talking to OP so his definition.

>>690125510

The masonic lodges are organized by degrees, supposedly going up to the 33rd degree. This basically means that you are given different information and knowledge as you ascend up the various degrees, which give different meanings to different sayings and symbols of the masonic doctrine. Symbols are a big part of masonic organizations because symbols are vague and hard to decipher to people outside of the organization.

For example, the G in the symbol you posted is said to represent different words as you go up the organization. Some degrees are told that it means Geometry, some are told that it means Gnosis, Genesis, and to others it means God.

So that is just a tidbit of how their organization functions.

They are really knowledge oriented, its kind of their thing. So, as you learn gain knowledge, you come to understand new meanings and gain new insights about the world.

One of their mottos is "Order out of Chaos", which means that they are essentially trying to bring about order in the world which they see as chaos. It is easy to understand this concept if you take a look at the material on /b/, humans can be not only wild, but also cruel; so Masons are trying to bring order to the world, although their methods are not fully known.

Anyways, as far as I know, only the catholic church has excommunicated the Masons. Now, remember that the catholic church has organized witch hunting, tortured people, been involved in the slave trade, and most of all been responsible for some serious book burning. The catholic organization shames and guilts their followers into obedience, they have not followed the principles of Jesus Christ so they are not really Christians.

However, the Freemasons did accept Aleister Crowley as one of them, a man reputed to have been involved in black magick and said to have wanted to destroy Christianity, so the Freemasons are not necessarily Christian.

As far as I know, there are may be some good Freemasons, some possibly evil.

>>690125510
God doesn't exist.

When you die, nothing else happens.

>>690129631
Maybe but if he is real i get the ultimate reward for agknowladging his existance therfore i chose to believe in him

>>690130203
What if you chose the wrong one, though, Pascal?

What if the Hindu's are right? Or the Mormons? Or what if the Muslims are actually right?

What Ancient Norse religion is actually right?

My uncle and Grandad is in this what exactly is it about

>>690130531
At least i tried and mormons are for sure wrong they arent even 2 centuries old yet and at least i tried tk be goood person a qualitie most religons embrace

>>690131092
So the older the religion, the more likely it is to be correct?

So Paganism is more likely to be true since it's very old? If "oh well, at least I tried to be a good person" is your response, why don't you just be a good person and leave religion out of it?

And wipe the cheetos off of your keyboard holy shit, you can't type worth a damn

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>>690131092
But if the Muslims are right you're going to hell. Same with most religions.

The only answer is to convert to every religion that exists so you have all your bases covered.

Even ones that don't exist. Make up some gods and believe in them, just in case.

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>>690125510
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xOOv_PTpXM

You better ditch that mason shit before you go to Hell. Period.

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>>690125510
>heaven

Hahahhahahhajahahhahahaahahahhahahahahahahahahahahabababbabbabahahabhabahababbahbahababahha b ahabbabahabhabab ababhaha cough hahahahhahahahhahzabahbanababhaba h ababhaha abbab

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>>690132797
^ I posted this.

Jesus Christ is the Son of the Father.

Go and learn.

>>690133178
He is the Son of Himself who is also His own father that created himself so that he could sacrifice Himself, to Himself, because of the rules that He himself made.

yeah, what's so hard to understand about this guys?

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>>690133566

checked.

Jesus is our Lord. The Father is our Creator.

The Holy Spirit transcends.

http://biblehub.com/drb/john/17.htm

>>690134139
Is what i said correct in my above post, yes or no?

The Masons will be completely irrelevant within the decade. Remember this.

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>>690134305
http://biblehub.com/matthew/6-10.htm

http://biblehub.com/ephesians/4-6.htm

>>690134799
I've read the bible, I'm a former minister

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>>690125510
Join the Illuminati instead.

Pic related.
http://prometheanorder.org/library.html

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>>690125510
technically, Christianity is a bastardization of the Masonic belief system. The religious aspect, anyways, but that part isn't really a big deal in the entry levels.

Early on, it's mostly about community. If you'd like to become more influential, then you might get into the shit the conspiracy theorists mention, with the branches above the fourth degree.

Anyways, more to the point, Christian beliefs stem from the Mysteries (as they're called), of which I would assume the Masons are aware, if they don't believe them. Has to do with Osiris and Isis, Tammus, Nimrod, etc.

Dunno how much of that Mysteries shit I actually buy, but if you want to find a decent book on the subject, I think "Behold: A Pale Horse" might be the right place to look deeper into the religious aspect of it.

Masons teach you to be a better man, a better husband, and better member of society.

There is no devil worship.

It is NOT a religion at all. Nothing even close to do with it.

My uncles and my grandfather and my grandfather's father (ect..) are and have all
been Masons.

Unless you get into a higher degree you're not allowed to learn what "G" means.

There is no secret book of Freemasons telling you what goes on in a lodge.

It is all word of mouth. You are taught by someone who was taught be someone who was taught by someone.

"As Above, So Below."

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>>690134929
http://biblehub.com/james/3-1.htm

DO WHAT THOU WILT

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>>690135127
>>690135127

Everything you said except Behold: A Pale Horse

is faggot shit.

>>690126151
they can
they just have to lie at the beginning

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>>690135774

Golden Dawn

>>690125510
I'm pretty sure all /b/ros go to hell for what we post here

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>>690126151

It is false. You might as well believe in dicks in your mouth.

The Catholic side of the church forbids joining Freemasonry. it was decided by the Pope back in the old days and the rule still exist. I am a Catholic and still joined, I left after reaching the third degree, to much money

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>>690136322

>>690135438
http://biblehub.com/matthew/10-34.htm

Don't start a verse war with me, son

>>690126085
True. I'm surprised how many Masons are on /b

>>690125510
Freemasonry is a meme

Seriously its old dudes sitting around reading old books

>>690125510
If you spend a lot of time on /b/ you can probably rule out heaven anyway, so just join already

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>>690136592

Trust me you ain't shit.

>>690135819
>faggot shit

You mean true but stupid sounding.

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>>690136676

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>>690137015

No I say what I mean.

>>690136752
Lot of young guys joining Masonry now -- some for the right reasons -- some for the wrong reasons. It gets a mix of about 30% cool guys you want to hang out with, about 40% guys who are a little lost looking for friends, and about 30% fuckin wacko conspiracy nutjob losers. Wish we would get more of the first 30%.

had a chief in the Navy who was a mason. If he was any indication the membership reqs are be pigheaded and do roids

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>>690132797
>>690137570
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/283762-house-rejects-effort-to-ban-illegal-immigrants-from-enlisting-in-military
House rejects effort to ban illegal immigrants from military service

https://www.yahoo.com/news/deaths-arrests-looting-erupts-venezuela-110904468.html
Shops shut after deadly looting in Venezuela crisis

"They wanted to impose anarchy and madness," he said in a television and radio broadcast late
Thursday.

"They are in jail and will be tried. They are facing charges that could bring up to 20 years in jail.
I have ordered the toughest jail sentences possible."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/06/16/pope-francis-the-great-majority-of-marriages-are-null-because-couples-dont-understand-what-theyre-doing/
Blind vicar said what.

>>690137347
when you say something as obtusely vague as "faggot shit," you're pretty much leaving it to interpretation.

All u need to join is a Proposer and a Seconder, pretty much a freind and a friend of a friend, you will receive a house visit (like an informal interview)
and you will need to wait until they have a meeting and hope your dont get black balled (voting system)

>>690137486
Why do the first 30% even join? They probably already have good social lives and hobbies.

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>>690137884

rejected

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>>690137915

Don't be enticed just because it's free.

A lot of shit that sucks is free.

>>690136980
You didn't reply with a verse, so I'm inclined to disagree

Masons are dumb fucking cunts... They were influential at some point in history, which basically they used to accumulate wealth and power, but they've now declined into a netwrorking club... Was approached by them at some point which resulted in me going to some of the lamest parties I've ever seen... If I was the type to pursue shit like that I'd much rather join the right yacht club. Read Victor Hugo's Hunchback of Notre-Dame if you want an insight into the cool part of Masonic tenets.

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>>690138881

The verse you linked is doctrine.

You yammer and ramble no wonder you can't be steadfast.

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>>690125510
Don't worry anon, heaven doesn't exist.

>>690125510
>being a christian
>being a mason
>going to heaven
who cares about any of these things?

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>>690139644

Does Earth?

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I will just leave this here .

>>690139239
If the freemasons were actually still useful for networking I'd join them, but I'm not convinced they're even that any more.

>>690139439
http://biblehub.com/matthew/5-18.htm

Just give it up man

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>>690140193
>>690140193

You thought wrong.

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>>690140556
About what? What are you even talking about?

>>690125733
Dubs of truth

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^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBli_Iyw9uk

>>690140006
I am convinced it does, yes

>>690128023
what important ritualistic aspect?

>>690141112
Dressing up in silly clothes and doing chants

>>690127784
he could just join the Grand Orient

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>>690140706

http://biblehub.com/matthew/5-17.htm

Eat a better diet.

>>690140556
Ok, wtf is he doing with that chicken? Religion is so fucking weird sometimes.

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>>690141094

Do you exist?

>>690141295
The train?

>>690125510
sounds like a club got faggots
why would you even bother
however... i guess if you are stupid enough to be christian then i suppose this is a serious matter for you

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>>690141543

There is only Truth and falsehood.

Jesus Christ is Lord that is the Truth.

Jews reject the Lord and accept it as an anti-Christian culture. That is how stupid you look without Christ.

>>690141912
*for

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>>690141557
I am convinced I do, yes

>>690141398
I was about to link that very verse, family, to affirm that the Mosaic laws still apply. (No two types of clothing, no shellfish, stoning gays, etc)

>>690141398
>>690140706
>>690140556
>>690139439
>>690136980
>>690135438
>>690134139
Idk man i feel like this is the biggest samefag of 4chan

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according to this meme, Paul Walker got to hevean, so anything is possible.

>>690141557
define 'you'.
physical body - yes.
soul - no.

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>>690141543

They pretend it's for the redemption of their sins.

Judaism is exactly as anti-Christian as Freemasonry.

No.. blood oaths are cardinal sin

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>>690142154
You felt wrong

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>>690142063

Don't waste my time with bullshit. Go read it again. I assure you the Lord is staring right at you right now.

http://biblehub.com/matthew/18-20.htm

The Holy Spirit, I assure you, is monitoring this thread.

>>690142475
Except for that one time Jesus did it right

>>690142651
Do you have any response or not? The very verse you linked, Matthew 5-17, says the old laws still apply.

Are you wearing more than 1 type of clothing right now? Have you ever eaten lobster? Have you done work on Sunday?

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>>690142154

All but the second on are me, yep.

Christians are literally never a fag.

Solved your mystery Nancy Drew.

Where exactly is hevean? Is it near Saskatoon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loE2KI9WEkw

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>>690142651
>God's a creeper
Ok

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>>690142931

I'm not a parrot.

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>>690142941
>Christians are literally never a fag.

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>>690143125

God is not mocked.

Today is probably not your favorite day.

>>690142955
>7:40
Well, I'm not watching all that shit, but I used to live in Saskatoon and can confirm it is nowhere near heaven.

>>690125778
Swedish rite requires you to be cristian

>>690143141
Apparently you are because you can't form any type of coherent response.

Do you follow the Old Laws or not? Because Matthew 5-17 clearly affirms they still apply.

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>>690143319
It's just another day bro

>>690142651
can u explain why an omnipotent omnipresent all powerful being would curse its own creation for breaking its rules even knowing it can and will break any rules it gave it yet went ahead with it anyway then decided the best way to forgive its creation and lift the curse it knew it would have to inevitably lift anyway was to sacrifice itself to itself?

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>>690143458
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xOOv_PTpXM

>>690125510
hw d i kn y t b a mm?

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>>690143472
>>690143472
>>690143472

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>>690143808
woah bro calm down you don't have to be so mad

brother you can't be right all the time

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>>690143971

Yes you can.

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>>690143349
OP clearly said "hevean" not "Heaven."
I thought I saw a sign pointed off the Yellowhead somewhere around Saskabush.

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>>690144173
Do you follow the Old Laws? Matthew 5-17 clearly affirms they still apply.

If you don't answer and reply with an LOLXDTROLLSOFUNNY pic, you're admitting you're wrong.

>>690143954
Better make some coffee anon, it's gonna be a while

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>>690144513

You are not saved by the law. Can you read though?

http://biblehub.com/galatians/2-21.htm

http://biblehub.com/galatians/3-1.htm

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>>690144721

How much would you bet on it?

>>690145025
My entire life savings. 23 cents.

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>>690144891
http://biblehub.com/matthew/5-18.htm

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>>690144891
You are not saved by the law, but to be eligible to be saved, you must follow the law.

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>>690145145

You are no scholar.

>>690128023
B.S.

If anything, much has been taken away
e.g. Book of Enoch

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>>690145324

The law says don't jaywalk.

You ready to listen to blind cunts? You better hurry because they are going out of style.

>>690145331
You dare to correct God's word?

You claim to know better than God?

Isn't God infallible? How could He make a mistake in giving us His word?

Their are female masons they are "Eastern star" look it up

>>690145331
>buybull
>editing XD

>>690145533
I'm cleanly referring to God's law, honey-pie.

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>>690145624

Who do you think I am.