>>690063259
/thread

Without guns we'd have overpopulation. Guns actually save more lives than they take. Vote trump 2016.

>>690063259
we just need to make it very hard to keep them. if you get any sort of violent charge, if you joing anti-US groups or attend any sort of violent groups, you lose the right. period.

>>690063566
dumbest thing i ever heard until i saw the last sentence. it's on par for a trump supporter.

>>690063259
/threading yourself, great move

Request denied.

There's a mechanism for amending the Constitution.

Please proceed.

>doesn't trust the government
>wants the government to be the only people with access to guns

>>690063608
Good luck enforcing that when people can just steal them from other people.

or just get rid of all non whites

>>690064246
/thread

>>690063259

So that only the government and the police would have guns? I'm sure they would never abuse their power or authority.

I think I'll keep my guns.

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>>690063259
Post this on /k/ faggot.

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>>690063259

guaranteed hundreds of replies by triggered trailer trash.

Yeah i agree OP but sadly it's far too difficult to take away all the amerifats' guns because they think it's their right and therefore not up for debate
>amerifats are retarded

>>690063259
Right? The ban works so well in Chicago, Detroit, Mexico, oh wait....

ITT: A bunch of jelly eurocucks.

>>690064151
this is dumb. it's like the idiot younger brother of the slippery slope.

why do anything since some small number will be able to circumvent the laws? why have any laws at all then?

why have laws against theft? people will just steal anyway.

we need a law stopping people from killing. why? people will still kill.

fucking dumb

>>690064441
10/10

>>690064486
4/10

Remember that time England banned guns? And one of their politicians was just killed by a guy with a gun? HOW DID THAT CRIMINAL GET PAST THE GUN LAWS?! DID HE NOT KNOW GUNS WERE ILLEGAL?! /s

690064486/10

>>690064632
rfemember that time banned stealing? why do people still steal!?!

you're a fucking idiot.

>>690064632
He bought the how to make a gun leaflet from america

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>>690063259
/thread

Time to take out gunless fags
Making it easier kek

If you don't like guns don't own any.

If you want guns, buy them.

Don't force your fear on other people in order to make yourself feel safe cause guess what people who want to commit crimes will find a way.

You think gang members go down to the local store and buy a gat there? No. And if you think banning guns will stop crime then you're in for a hell of eye opening experience.

Crawl back into your safe space. And log into tumblr OP.

Banning guns doesn't lower the crime rate. Period. Why ban guns if all it will do is waste fuck tons of taxpayer dollars and police resources, as well as put more of the general population at risk?

this is the best bait ever, I bet OP's sat there laughing his cock off at everyone who's replied

>>690065300
Which includes you, fucktard.

Sage

>>690065477
have you tried putting the safety off

Guns Rule!

>>690065477
guns don't kill people,
people kill people faster mores esily and more efficiently with guns.

>>690066045
Faster than your English is killing me.

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>>690063259
OP's thread was headed in the right direction...
...and then pic related

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Yes, because that worked so well in Great Britan yesterday.

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>>690064777
Trips don't lie

>>690065477
We need some troubleshooting for this good sir, he's gun is not working...

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Gun control works!

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Gun control has made Britain safer!

>>690067981
lol thats so fake

>>690065232

It doesn't lower the crime rate but it stops mass shootings.
Australia banned assault rifles after a mass shooting and they haven't had one since.

>>690067981
466?
Is the US only counting mass shootings with 10+ victims as violent crimes now?

>>690067981
fucking faggot.
facebook com ezraklein/videos/10154000566913410/

>>690064486
this is by far the most down syndrome argument.
Why not just have NO laws at all :,D

>>690066514
yes it did. Because in America 30 people a day are shot. In per capita terms that is 30 in 250 million - UK 70 million, so about 7 or eight people a day. Instead of one per week or less for the UK. For decades. yes, we have 0.23 deaths per hundred thousand people by guns per year - you have 10.5 40 times the number of deaths. So yeah, gun control worked pretty well for us this week.

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Yes ban guns and replace mass murder with individual murder...

At what point do we control the insane and the criminally inclined?

>>690068389
yes, exactly replace with a form of murder that is much easier to stop. instead of 50 maybe only 6 would be dead.

thanks for making the argument

>>690063998
and if that was used (or if the constitution was interpreted in a reasonable way, such as it was up to the 1930's - where there was a restricted class of weapons people could use, and not everyone could own a gun, and waiting times for guns were in place - all contitutionally possible) Would you honour that? Or are you actually a closet seditionist, someone who does not care about laws, merely exploits them, a gun fag, who gets a thrill from owning a murder machine?

>>690068354
except the uk is full of cucks, that let there government take away their rights, how's it feel getting id'd when you buy silverware, because there are knives incuded.

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Gloria knows best... if it saves just one child Ban It!

>>690068265
>>690068265
>>690068265
>>690068265
THIS

>>690068641
killing a fetus != killing someone, so yeah. she's right. was this supposed to be ironic? you dumb faggot

Oh... so don't fix the mental health system or put criminals in jail for longer periods of time, just reduce their lethality so the can still kill, just not kill as many..

Are you drunk?

>>690064280
ah, so you think that a> your pop gun will fight off a full battalion of Marines. B> you will happily shoot down hundreds of your fellow human beings to preserve your freedom c> you are not just clingling to that stupid excuse because after all you just like guns. It is ok to like guns. Guns are fun. They make you feel powerful and potent. We get that. Bt the price of your fun is too high to pay - it has become a corrosive force on civil society. it is time to grow up and put the toys away, and be a real man.

>>690068579
but you cause far more individual murders, because you took the means for people to defend themselves. You also didn't address suicide bomber IEDs that still very easily cause mass murder

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Stay jelly euro fags

>>690068851
do both you dumb faggot

>>690064486
This.
No matter how many well-founded statistics you show to these retards, all you'll get is some retard yelling 'guns are banned in France and they attacked Charlie Hebdo with AKs so I guess gun control does nothing'.
The fucking difference is that while something like Charlie Hebdo is a one-in-30-years event in Europe, some random mass shooting takes place in the US every other weekend.

>>690068579
Instead of 1 mass murder of 50 people, you got 50 individual murders. Congrats, you've done nothing.

>>690064425
jelly of what - I live in france, and hunt regularly - I can shoot at rifle ranges and clubs, I can own a gun at home. Ok, I cannot get a thirty five squillion cartridge mag and dum dum bullets and a semi automatic massacre machine - but I don't want to murder people, so that is ok. Grow up faggot.

>>690063259
Not all guns, only automatic ones.

>>690063259
All penises can be used for rape and should be banned.

All vaginas can be used to spread std's and should be banned.

Soda makes people fat and should be banned.

politics make people stupid and narrow minded.. and should be banned.

Breathing polluted air can cause cancer and should be banned.

Ciggarettes cause lung cancer and should be banned.

Chewing tobacco is just fucking gross as well as cancer causing and should be banned.

Everyone should live in magic bubbles that filter out ANYTHING harmful and makes everything politically correct as to the ideal politics of the fragile creature inside...

>Magic bubbles full of faggots that can't accept reality because they grew up being told they were special and got trophies for participating.

>>690068916
you don't need an assault rifle to defend yourself. one shotgun will be good enough. if you're facing 50 people you need to gun down who are also armed, you're fucked. give it up.

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>>690068878
Hundreds of Europeans being "Real Men."

>>690069034
Fuck you Cocksucker!

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>>690069082
this is so dumb it doesn't even warrant a measured response. you're an idiot

>>690069056
quit talking out your ass

charlie hebdo type shootings dont happen that often in the US

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>>690069056
and guns are not banned in France. they just have reasonable controls on them... (which the US could have, and still maintain the 2nd, but NRA and Republicunts make too much money and get too many votes bu peddling fear adn sedition)

>>690069099
all of those things have other uses besides killing of a large number of people. i'm sorry you didn't realize this until now.

>>690069280
Exactly.

>>690063259
all retarded babies should be drowned in a bathtub too but... here these days we raise them so they can shit post on /b/.

>>690063566
Weird take, but I like it.

>>690068599
> reasonable way

Rights in the Constitution
- Guns

Not in the Constitution, but forced on us anyway
- Gay marriage
- Abortion
- illegal immigration
- ...this could go on for a while

Lib fags don't know shit about the constitution, nor give a rat's ass about law (*cough* Hillary and Obama especially).

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>>690063259
nigga you can't start a thread by already ending it

>>690069242
he's right thuogh. hebdo was a year ago. this UK shooting was last week.

in the fucking US it happened one day after the other, on the same damned weekend.

fucking a. we have a problem with this shit in the US and no one can deny it. let's start with some common sense gun control and go from there. if that doesn't work, then we need to figure something else out. it certainly won't hurt though.

and i've owned guns in my life time. my father left me a really cool set of dueling pistols too. they're in storage right now because i'm in a big city.

>>690063259
All gays should be banned.

No gays - No gay shootings.

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>>690068389
So much this.

Firearms have equalized the sexes.

>>690069242
Do you really want to discuss how much more likely a mass shooting in the US is exactly?
I mean, what's you point? They don't happen every single weekend? I'll concede that.
You basically said 'Yeah well ok, they happen pretty often, but not THAT often.'

>>690068878
This old argument again. In the event of the "fight against tyranny" everyone talks about, the federal government would have had to do some pretty unconstitutional in the first place. In that event, the military and the police would side with the citizens as they have all taken oaths to defend the constitution. Not the federal govt. and that doesn't even take into acct the literal millions of well trained and heavily armed civilians. Please take your "muh drones" argument elsewhere

BRB - Gotta do some illegal drugs.

>>690069663
Weird take, but I like it.

>>690069307
Guns can be used for hunting, self defense, or overthrowing tyrannical governments, thus having more than one use. they can also be used responsibly for target practicing and shows of skill. A paintbrush can be used to stab people in the neck, or produce art. Your argument is invalid and embarrassing.

>>690068916
ah, false. You took the easy means for people to kill themselves (USA highest successful suicide rate in developed world because easy access to guns) kill their spouses (USa highest level of domestic murder because easy access to guns) kill thier children (USA highest... ) and kill their neighbours, peole who cut them up on the road, strangers who they mistake for burglars, real burglar, families in houses that are being burgled, kids who shoot each other or their dumbass parents, - basically - every category of death by violence is higher in the USA wheree there are unregulated guns. The self defence argument is like the @don't wear a seatbelt because you might get thrown from the car and live instead of being trapped in it and crushed@ argument. Yes a few people will live because they don't wer seatbelts, bt millions more will die then if they had belts on. A few people would live if they had a gun for self defence, but millions more will die because there is easy access to guns for people who want to kill them.

>>690069743
Weird take, but I like it.

>>690068389
She needs an AK

>>690063259
Hey, guys, how about this: Guns should be mandatory!

>>690069031
it is ok, I have a working cock and don't need a substitute.

I'm all for banning militaries, if that's what you mean

>>690068878
Real men know how to handle their guns.

Ban idiots.

>>690069743
>>690069779


that's IF and only if everyone agrees the US government needs to be overthrown. that will never happen. at best it will be a series of small cult-like uprsisings that will be swiftly and brutally put down.

everyone will never agree on when the government has gone too far. they can't even agree on when life begins.

>>690069739
no they dont happen often

1 a year if that

The universe keeps trying to find ways to control the human population and we keep defying natural laws. Guns are our last hope to keep us from completely over populating. We are even at the last step where nature is trying to some of us gay, but even gay people are now finding ways to repopulate.

>>690063259
i think ideally, meaning if we could realistically get rid of all guns (police and military can still have them), then society would be much better off. however, there are already too many out there (isnt there like 20 guns for every citizen or something?) and with the advent of more advanced and affordable 3D printing, making guns ourselves will make any and all bans irrelevant.

while i totally support an assault weapons ban, because of common fucking sense, the real issue at heart is our culture. other countries have similar or higher rate of gun ownership but they dont have anywhere near the mass shootings that we have and gun deaths on average are quite low (including suicide which is one of the most common ways a gun is used in the U.S. and elsewhere, which is really sad).

how do we change the culture? well, throughout the 90s there was a very serious effort to do this. we banned assault weapons, we banned realistic toy guns, a number of anti-gun violence awareness programs were put in place, etc. and then came the 2000s when the ban on assault weapons was lifted, the extreme violence of video games completely negates the banning of realistic toy guns, and our country has seemingly become far more violent than ever. i dont know what we can do. judging by the number of trump supporters, maybe our country is too retarded for anything to positively change. oh well.

>>690070051
I agree; God is trying to kill fags.

>>690069962
I'm not talking specifically about shootings with 30+ victims.
Just look at the raw stats and per capita stats of shootings with let's say 5+ victims.
You'll see an overwhelming trend when you compare US statistics with other Wester nations.
And don't go and show me the stats of some African shithole, we're talking about wealthy industrial nations where people don't have to kill for food.

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I made a list of things i personally think should be banned, i dont get why its allowed in the first place.
>own guns
>shoot guns at people
>attempting murder/succeeding murder
>killing another person directly or indirectly
with all that banned there would be a lot less deaths in the world. because its illegal and banned, therefore people who has guns will turn them in to the police for demolition.
now that i think about it DEATH should be banned! we could be immortal but someone is not thinking about laws and whats right!

>>690069099
>All penises can be used for rape and should be banned.
not their designed purpose. also, penises give a lot of pleasure to the world, and their removal would cause a lot of displeasure, and result in the end of humanity. this cannot be said of guns. bad analogy.

>All vaginas can be used to spread std's and should be banned.

see above, but replace "penis" with "vagina" Really bad analogy.
>Soda makes people fat and should be banned.
Soda cannot be used to murder thousands of people a year, and does not murder 30 people a day in the USA

>politics make people stupid and narrow minded.. and should be banned.
No, Politics does not do that - people are stupid and narrow minded, like you, but that is not caused by politics.

>Breathing polluted air can cause cancer and should be banned.

Pollution should be banned or minimised - and people should be prevented from breathing it is possible - so what is your point?
>Ciggarettes cause lung cancer and should be banned.

Yes. True. So?
>Chewing tobacco is just fucking gross as well as cancer causing and should be banned.

Yip, I agree.
>Everyone should live in magic bubbles that filter out ANYTHING harmful and makes everything politically correct as to the ideal politics of the fragile creature inside...

No that is stupid. Like all your arguments.

>>690063259
sure kid. delicious tears are delicious.

>>690069781
in many of the cases you list it's a little muddy

>kill themselves
>kill spouses
>kill children
>kill neighbor
these are just easier, faster, less messy ways to kill. banning guns probably won't save these people. it'll just be baseball bats to the heads and drownings instead. probably worse.

>kids shooting themselves with guns
this is like natural selection. if your dumb enough to have guns lying around your kids are going to be as dumb as you. good riddance. yous hould have been stopped before you could procreate.

>kill burglars
this one is actually a good thing.


>people who cut them off in the road
>mistakes
>mass shootings
>political killings

yes, these things are the reason why guns designed to kill multiple people need to be more controlled.

>>690070284
How many things are banned, but still exist and are readily available?

>>690063651
sure kid. go bernie

>>690070051
overpopulation is myth designed to distract from the real issues; imperial-capitalism's consuming and destruction of the planet. there are enough resources and land to support all of us, but the system prevents it from doing so. not to mention it is this very system that enabled such "overpopulation" in the first place.

>>690063961
tard move, obvious summer fag he is.

>>690070450
>thatsthejoke.webm

>>690070450
Are you implying that weed was soo readily available and used that the government decided to legalize it in a few states?

Some people are too stupid to live. Without guns, and with all of the safety implements, how else are we going to get rid of these people?

>>690069558
How about we start with some Connor sense gang control first. Or radical Islam control. Or mental health control. And leave me and my safe full of guns that haven't killed anyone alone. I'm so background checked that the FBI probably has a file on me. There are millions of us and a handful of crazies that do this shit. And the rest can be attributed to gang violence. I say fix the cause. Don't punish the ones who's only wish is to have fun and potentially save their, their family's, or maybe your life.

>>690070236
gang related shootings make up the majority of these "mass shootings"

no one else has a gang problem like the US

quit listening to the mainstream media and do your own research

>>690069127
funny that - a picture from a time when there was no gun control in Europe. A time when guns were actually quite freely available. You see the point here is that those who argue they need weapons to defend themselves from the government are deluded. They won't be able to do it, they won't even try, and they (like Aaron Bundy and his cowardly shower) will end up behind bars. The big question is - do we currently face a real threat from government? no. IS that because you have guns? No. Are thousands of people being killed every year? Yes, because you have unregulated gun laws. That is a real threat.

>>690063259
Banning Guns is the plan of
Islam to take control of all western populated areas and execute everyone with knives you
SPORKS BETTER BE SHARP AND READY

Sporking the Mudslimes

>>690063566
Guns dont kill that much people, we need either a war or find a way to sustain us

>>690070677
most mass shooters were white

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XV4mZi3gYDgwx5PrLwqqHTUlHkwkV-6uy_yeJh3X46o/edit#gid=0nana

but yeah, all that shit needs to be controlled as well. we can do both in the US.

>>690068599
lets interpret your life and see if you be put down. shall we. lets start with what have you accomplished?

>>690070662
All drugs are readily available, not just weed.

Weed is on the same level as alcohol. You legalize things that dumb down people who want to escape, like muh beer and muh weed.

>Nobody on weed/beer ever shot up their trailer park.

>>690070438
>>kill themselves
>>kill spouses
>>kill children
>>kill neighbor
>these are just easier, faster, less messy ways to kill. banning guns probably won't save these people. it'll just be baseball bats to the heads and drownings instead. probably worse.
Why doesn't anybody get that most people could not bring themselves to just stab some fucker in the chest multiple times? It's too personal and too messy.
Crimes like that could be avoided entirely simply because some people don't have the stomach for butchering someone with an axe, but still could bring themselves to pull the trigger of a gun.

>>690070813
Google docs are facts now?

I can make a goolge doc listing all of the people that fucked your mom. Let me tell you, she's been around.

As a tea-sipping, gun-control supporting brit, this may actually be a surprise to some.

For the US, banning guns will not work.

the closing the door after the horse has bolted - decades ago. there's enough guns to arm every man, woman and child in the US. It is impossible to implement in the US. there's going to be tens of millions of guns circulating for decades after any ban. Any criminal CAN get hold of one.

What is needed is accessible mental healthcare, and _responsible_ laws (ie, restricting sale to people who are recognised as "potential terrorists".) to prevent their use in atrocities.

Saying stuff like "all guns should be banned" simply inflames the paranoid tendencies of the gun community who have been in a constant echo chamber of "they're gong to take our guns". That madness and paranoia will NOT solve the problems. What is needed is assurance that guns will not be taken, and that what is being done is to ensure guns are not falling into the hands of irresponsible or dangerous individuals.

Calls that "all guns should be banned" are actually more harmfl to the process of gun control.

>>690068878
stale moronic argument proposed by a stale moron.

>>690070904
But trailer parks have been shot up over weed.

>>690063259
I'm not even gonna scroll down, all I'm gonna say is that guns don't kill people, people kill people. Very cliche I know but look at the % of Switzerland's population that owns guns. Estimated between 25-35%, higher than most countries. America has so much gun violence because of nig nogs and psycho white trash. Plus with how militarized our police force is, I would never not own a gun

>>690070715
What's your point?
It's still a fucking problem that gangs have such an easy access to guns in the first place.
They are just one part of the gun problem as a whole.

>>690070677
who are yuo talking to? i doni't agree with OP. guns are fine. just not ones that are designed to kill many people. if you want one, be prepared to be scrutinized and when you step out of line, like join a fucking nutcase cult or start planning how to kill people, these guns should be taken away from you. and if you refuse to give them up, then better the government shoots you down then you shoot down a bunch of unarmed people. good riddance.

>>690069056
once in thirty years. sure kid.

>>690070973
are you disputing these facts? there is no opinion there, just a list of incidents. what's not to believe you dumb faggot?

>>690069087
funny you don't sound French?

>>690070972
also worth noting that possessing and holding a bat or knife does not give the same sense of power that a gun does. a gun gives someone the power to instantly and incredibly easily end someones life, and even if you hate guns, holding one does something psychologically to you that a knife doesn't.

>>690069122
retarded logic here.

>>690069931
This is that same faggot different era argument. Look at it this way
Obama: Military, kill American civilians
Military: Y tho
Obama: some unconstitutional bullshit
Military: lol no

>>690071229
How about you use a credible source? Then we'll talk. Your mom needs her dick sucked, you should probably get off the internet and tend to that.

>>690069280
sure kid. name calling. great way to make a point.

>>690071090
Again with the Switzerland case, for fuck's sake....
All of the ammunition in Switzerland for civilian use is kept at government ranges and cannot be taken or used at home. The ownership of guns is not heavily restricted, but all ammo is. This is why crime using legal guns in Switzerland is far lower than that of the USA.

>>690069779
>Guns can be used for hunting, self defense, or overthrowing tyrannical governments, thus having more than one use. they can also be used responsibly for target practicing and shows of skill.


yes, they can. But unlike paint brushes and automobiles, they are actually designed to kill things. Not only that but some of them can kill lots of things very quickly. And unlike paintburhes, if we banned them it would not matter one bit to anybody. We could throw them all away and it would do no one any harm. Guns can be used for entirely unnecessary purposes - hey you could grow plants up them or make a cool tentpole out of them, or use one as a masturbation aid if your dick is small enough. All of which could be fun. But the death and injury of thousands of people a year outweighs that fun. the loss of life, the loss of fathers, sons, mothers daughters, grandparents, grandchildren, the loss of workers time, the expense of medical care, the pain the grief, outweigh the fun. We could loose all the guns and the world would not be a worse off place. You cannot win an argument by analogy unless the analogue is actually like the thing you are talking about. Find me an analogous thing that is really like a gun, and then we can talk.

>>690069378
nice post.

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>>690063259
Why?
The number of guns doesnt seem to have an impact on crime.

>>690071111
If we had stricter border regulations they wouldn't have guns. Most of the guns used in violent crimes are unregistered and come from one of three places. South America, the middle east or China.

>>690071275
Yeah, if you're a fucking pussy.

I get the same feeling holding a gun that I do when holding a screwdriver.

>>690070743
in 1600 Japan was the major producer of gun in the world.
after 150 years they started disliking them and stopped producing them.
In 1853 when America's navy entered Japan, they had only katanas to defend themselves

>>690071358
what are you talking about? the gov has no problem putting down armed insurgencies. why would they?

>>690071395
source of what? it's a list of the fucking crimes you dumb fuck.

>>690071459
I was using this as an example of what responsible, legal gun owners act like. Most gun crimes are with stolen weapons not by people with proper licenses and such

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>>690068599
Has it ever occurred to you that the rise in gun ownership has coincided with the rise of the negro as fully recognised members of society?

First take every single illegal gun out of the ghettos, then we can talk about the actual laws of gun ownership.

>>690071395
That's a great way of arguing.
Just maintain anything the opposition says is not credible and then claim to have won the argument by default.
Not the guy you responded to btw.

>>690071111
gangs dont buy guns legally, even if the process was stringent, theyd still have guns

youre just wrong

>>690069743
so you really need to have an automatic weapon with a big magazine because if the government does something really unconstituional (and is not struck down by the supreme court, the senate, the congress or other constitutional means) and orders the military onto the streets... the military won't go because they are sworn to uphold the constitution. So you don't need the gun then... OK, you agree - you do not need the guns. Great.

>>690071395
go ahead and find one muslim or black mass shooter int he US that is not on the list and i'll admit you have a point.

>>690071612
Also, population has increased during the same time.

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The overall murder rate in Australia did not move after their gun ban.

People are still being killed, just with different means.

Over the same time, the US murder rate went down while the number of guns in the US went up.

>>690071509
That's fucking bullshit and you know it.
Guns produced and sold in the US still make up a good chunk of the ones used in gang fights.
You can't blame this entirely on other countries.

>>690063259
>venezuela
> guns are illegal
> second highest murder rate

People are hung up on that high number of deaths and forget the MURDER RATE.
Just look at the Americas, only Canada has a lower rate than us.

>>690071786
Thats the Rate.

It is not dependent on population.

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>>690071491
you sure of that?

>>690063259

We should just ban murder altogether. Then it will go away.

>>690069903
oh, glad you think I am a real man. However I am not a psychopath - Which is what you seem to aspire to be.

>>690071672
>fully recognized

Since when?

>>690069849

what happens when you have both?

your called an american.

>>690071810
I said most, I'm not denying your point at all.

>>690071702
Here's a crazy thought:
What if guns weren't so cheap and readily available? Maybe this would also affect the grey market of guns?
Grey market guns don't just pop up magically, they were legally owned guns at one point ot another.

>>690071862
Next you are going to tell me that people who drive cars are in more car accidents.

Of course places with more GUNS has more GUN CRIME.

But look at the OVERALL murder rate with all weapons. Why does it matter what someone is killed with?

At the end of the day the over all number of murders has dropped.

Try the fuck again.

>>690071590
You dense motherfucker "Goolge" is not a credible source, the "Department of Justice" is a credible source for example. Anyone can make a google doc saying whatever they want without any oversight.

If you want to be taken seriously, don't use a shit source.

I also take it that you've never made it to college, where citing your sources is commonplace, and finding credible ones are important.

But, what the fuck do I know? You probably think MLA is some kind of drug.

>>690071862
>implying firearm deaths are all criminal and don't also include a significant percentage of suicides.

>>690071891
Haha but seriously he has a point

>>690071672
look, sometimes people will kill another person. it happens. maybe it's business, maybe it's jealousy maybe it's revenge. whatever. we can't stop that.

what we should be focused on is stopping these mass murderers doing it just to get off or get virgins or other dumb shit. that means stopping them from getting guns that allow them to kill as many as they can.

pretty fucking simple

>>690071862
Yes because you map uses the cherry picked stat of "Firearm deaths". Look at overall homicide rate.

>>690071783
Omar Mateen was muslim. Checkmate.

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>>690071891
I meant in the legal and political sense.

>>690071862
Firearm deaths is more than just gun homicides faggot.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/09/upshot/gun-deaths-are-mostly-suicides.html?_r=0

>>690072016
so go ahead, prove me wrong. show me where the number of mulsim and black mass shoooter outnumber the number of white ones.

you can't faggot.

that is just a list of shooters. it's not under dispute. no assertions have been made. no judgement. it's just an accurate list of shooters.

did you even look at the link you dumb fuck?

>>690063259
Alright seriously, forgetting about nig nogs with illegal guns and stolen guns etc. How many of you really think guns should be banned in the USA? I mean it is a constitutional right to protect ourselves and families

>>690072106
he's on the list faggot.

>>690064410
The ban in chicago is gone now. CCW lisences in il overrule's city law.

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>>690071862
Let me help you out.

Saw a comment on Facebook that killings have risen since the assault weapons ban was lifted.
Murder by firearm has stayed between 9k and 11k since mid 90s.
It's a culture thing. The rate will continue to drop over time. Gun laws really do nothing to the murder rate.

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Guns got these things extinct

>>690070438

I am glad you agreed with my last point, but
>these are just easier, faster, less messy ways to kill. banning guns probably won't save these people. it'll just be baseball bats to the heads and drownings instead. probably worse.

No, the immediacy and ease of a gun promotes these things - it is easier to shoot yourself fatally than do it some other way, it is fast and easy to shoot your wife and kids - it takes a lot more rage and weirdness to stab them or baseball bat them. the murder and suicide rates drop when guns are taken out of domestic ownership.

>>kids shooting themselves with guns
>this is like natural selection. if your dumb enough to have guns lying around your kids are going to be as dumb as you. good riddance. yous hould have been stopped before you could procreate.

No, all kids are dumb, and so are some adults - but kidsa are aso too damn smart at getting things they should ot have. This is a callous and unfeeling argument - I feel sorry for any parent whose child is killed that way.
>>kill burglars
>this one is actually a good thing.

Well, maybe. But killing over stuff seems to me to be a bit petty. This argument allows a value of life argument that I find hard to accept. Hit the fucker with a baseball bat, yeah, break all his fingers and then call the cops - ok. but just kill someone? I am not that psychopathic.

>>690071810
A decrease or halt to importation of illegal foreign weapons wouldn't stop it, but weapons made domestically and THEN stolen or sold illegally are easier to trace. It would help a lot

>>690072180

Gun deaths mostly suicides

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/05/24/suicides-account-for-most-gun-deaths/

>>690072248
Saved

>>690072412
You can trace my 3D printer?

>>690068087
0 kicks since '96

>>690071550
When it's constitutional. But if the federal govt just writes a law that no one can have a gun(unconstitutional fuckery) and that escalates to armed conflict, the military and the police have a duty to disobey the unconstitutional order to either confiscate guns or attack armed civilians. And when questioned or ordered further there is policy in place to deconstruct the chain of command and put a temporary leader in place to manage the fallout. You think they just gave us the right to overthrow the govt without making a plan to do so? Our govt is answerable to the people. And they're trying as hard as they can(the left anyway) to change that.

>>690072412
I'm not denying that stopping illegal gun trade from outside the US would help, but why are you insisting that illegal gun trade from within the US should not be a concern?
I say stop the both. The first with stricter border control, the other with gun regulations.

>>690068087
"Technically" they had one in 2014.

>>690072614
why the fuck would they do that? your talking nonsense fantasy bullshit.

>>690063259
From earth? Are you fucking retarded?

>>690068087
So if the same number of people are being killed as before, what did the ban really accomplish?

>>690067981
No the lack of niggers got UK in a safe spot

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>>690068087
Yep sure looks like that gun ban did a lot of good.

>>690070877
BA MA PhD, in academic terms, several published research articles, consulted on several laws in draft. Two novels, neither best sellers, but out there. Own business, making and repairing musical instruments, employing three other people. Never had a criminal conviction, one speeding ticket in thirty years. Married, one kid. I think I have contributed to society and improved the world a little at times. How about you?

>>690072721
all we can hope for is that no random people get killed. everything else is a part of life.

kids, wives. business partners, romantic rivals, selfs, these are always going to be killed. it happens.

we need to stop you walking down the street and just getting killed for no reason at all.

>>690071758
You're missing the point.

>>690063259

make murder illegal, that's worked.
make drugs illegal, that's worked.

/thread

>>690072319
>using facebook as a source
what the fuck?

>>690063651
Bernie faggot

>>690069739
mass shooting is a play on words. nothing more nothing less.

>>690071026
takes one to know one - and your argument is?

>>690072912
So you don't care about the number of people who die, just how they die?
What kind of twisted logic is that?

>>690071758
Don't forget that the right to bear arms IS in the constitution.

>>690072945
Oh wow, another one who cannot grasp statistics.
Thinking in absolutes just makes spouting easier, right?

>>690071986
wrong

legal guns arent cheap, illegal guns are

im an expert in illegal guns and im telling you youre wrong

>>690073015
shooting of a large number of people (mass).

why is this hard to figure out? are you not an english speaker you dumb fuck?

>>690071986
>What if guns weren't so cheap and readily available?
So only the rich should have the right to buy guns?

>>690069781
sure kid. you're an expert in what exactly????

Agree.
Except maybe the military so they don't have to fight with stones and sticks xD

>>690073015
Is murders with 5 or more victims involving guns a play on words, too?
Because I'm pretty sure you can measure those.

>>690069849
you like cock? good for you.

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>>690069781
Actually you are wrong.

>>690073108

What statistics? That gun ownership and conceal carrying actually reduces crime?

>>690073077
yes, you can't really stop someone from killing. it's happened all through our history and will continue to happen. for example, if you start dealing drugs and shit someone may shoot yuo to get yuor territory. some of it is the chance you take.

maybe you stayed a little too long with your crazy wife. maybe yuo put up with your husband hitting you one too many times.

but you should not be walking down the street, going to a mall, sucking dick in some night club and take a bullet without even knowing why or who is doing it.

that needs to be stopped.

yeah, it's pretty fucking simple.

>>690069682
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWwwzF3BYBw

I'm not sure about that.

>>690073353
>you can't really stop someone from killing.
So then shouldn't those people be able to defend themselves?

>>690073212
Like the one in Australia in 2014 that people say didn't happen?

>>690068087
I don't have a dog in this fight. But I really do object to Australia constantly being used as a test case in this debate, on either side. After the Martin Bryant massacre the government instituted a gun buy back scheme (not a ban) which essentially had no effect whatsoever. Guns used as an implement of self defence are unheard of in this country. I'm 34, and have never seen a firearm, except on a police officer. I am aware that my step father owned one to hunt kangaroos, but he was a country bumpkin. Most people that own firearms here use them to hunt; and as such gun ownership is concentrated in rural areas far away from typical opportunities to commit violent gun crime, which is a predominantly urban phenomenon. Hence all the buyback did is deprive farmers of their hunting implements. Australia's population is 90% urban anyway, so the vast bulk of the population weren't effected. Australia's gun ban, the subsequent dearth of gun massacres, and the subsequent jump in violent crime, are not connected in any meaningful way. Stop using Australia's experience in this argument.

>>690073137
You're hilarious.
Try to buy a black market gun in any Western country with strict gun regulations and tell me how you have dealers basically throwing them at you.

>>690063259
Op is a fag

>>690073413
no that's just dumb. the problem is you have no idea when someone is going to kill you and they know exactly what they want to do.

but yeah, sure, give them a handfun or a rifle to protect their home. i'm all for that.

but untrained people with guns have never stopped a mass shooter and never will.

>>690072695
They won't. Not as long as the populace is well armed. That's why they want so hard to tear apart the constitution. It's against the rules to infringe on our rights. But not if they change the rules. And that's why we harp so much on the constitution. And after the 2nd is gone and the public is disarmed then what? Next will be the 1st so that dissent can be punished. Then the 4th and 14th so that states rights can be done away with and the govt can come into your home or take your property whenever they see fit. Then the whole thing just gets tossed and we get the glorious police state that the extreme left whack their taters to before they go to bed every night.

>>690073496
where theres crime, theres illegal guns

not that hard

trust me

>>690068087
Australia has a population smaller than the state of Texas, and there have been several random shootings since 1996, all of which involved illegally obtained firearms.

>>690072113
I don't even know what Born Sinner is (probably something from the dollar store), but I hope he didn't get it.

>>690073417
I'm not Australian and honestly I don't care what you're referring to.
Just look at any Western country, count the occurences of what I said above and compare them to the US.
But let me guess: 'statistics' is just a play on words, right?

>>690073353
>you can't really stop someone from killing.
You can if you defend yourself.


>that needs to be stopped.
So you think that people who are so fucked in the head that they are willing to kill a bunch of people will realize they can't buy a gun and then give up their plot?

They won't get a can of gas and set the exits of a gay club on fire?
You aren't even solving the root of the issue, which is the people that are willing to do this WILL STILL BE WILLING TO DO IT EVEN IF GUNS ARE GONE

>>690073610
>won't take the guns as long as populace is armed
>no need to take guns if populace is unarmed

sounds like your argument is really shit. you have nothing to worry abuot faggot

>>690073561
>but untrained people with guns have never stopped a mass shooter and never will.
This is false.
Would you like some examples?

>>690063259

Things that should also be banned:

>4chan

>Anime

>Vidya games (including those for cell phones.)

>Texting

>Fedoras

>Doritos

>Mountain Dew

>Neckbeards

>Loli

>Trap threads

>Claim waifu threads

>Rate me threads

>Living in your mother's house beyond the age of 18 should be a felony! (Living in the basement gets you a death sentence!)

>Patreon

>Any let's play click bait videos.

>All illegal drugs, especially weed

>All of you!

>>690073561
because mass shooters go to places where guns aren't allowed

military bases, schools, california, nightclubs

>>690073674
no you can't. you'll never know when they're coming for you. the days of dueling are over faggot. it never happens that way. it's more like you're sleeping in your bed and your wife shoots you. especially if you have a gun

if you think otherwise you're fucking dumb

>>690073561
>no that's just dumb. the problem is you have no idea when someone is going to kill you and they know exactly what they want to do.
Well the science says you are wrong.
Studies show that using a firearm to defend yourself has consistently lower injury rates for the victim than any other self defense method.

>>690073496
I can go buy a pistol off of one of my "friends" for about a $100, but it'll be hot and if the police run the serial number I'm fucked. However, I can go buy the same pistol at a gun store used for $400 or new for $600. The only difference is that a police officer can run the serial number and I won't go to prison.

Sorry, that really is how it is here in the states.

>>690073623
What's your point?
If we cannot stop crime completely, just let them have their guns?
You can still make getting guns illegally much harder and obviously you'd rather make it harder for criminals to get guns than easier.

>>690073836
that is a statistic that's impossible to get. so whtever source you have is bullshit. you can't compare to some alternate universe where the victim didn't have a gun. it's just dumb

>>690073796
>no you can't. you'll never know when they're coming for you. the days of dueling are over faggot. it never happens that way. it's more like you're sleeping in your bed and your wife shoots you. especially if you have a gun
I would direct you to this study by the National Academies of Science.
>>690073262

They found that using a firearm resulted in consistently lower injury rates than any other self defense method.

>>690073957
>so whtever source you have is bullshit
The National Academies of Science is bullshit?

>>690073674
>will realize they can't buy a gun

no, we need to make it harder for them dummy. and punish the people who sold them the guns if they go under the table to avoid not having a sale.

it's pretty fucking simple.

>>690073496
>>690073904
and 100 is on the high end

if someone steals it theyre trying to get rid of it asap, ive seen nice guns sold for 50-60 bucks

>>690073965
it's an impossible statistic to get and anything pretending to say that is bullshit.

>>690074064
And the person will still be out there, wanting to kill as many people as possible, and you have unarmed the population around him by restricting guns.

>>690063608

That's already a thing.

>>690073932
maybe somewhere else but not in the US

theres over 300 million guns in the US with at least 100 million that are illegal

that shit wont work

>>690074045
it's how you interpret numbers. so yes, whoever iterpreted it that way is full of shit.

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>>690073741
>but muh freedoms

>>690069056

Less than 9 months later you had the Paris attacks you idiot. Once every 30 years my ass.

The problem is your muslims

>>690074069
>>690073904
Again, did you not get my point?
What you're describing is absolutely unheard of anywhere else.
I'm pissed and I want to get a gun to shoot some fucker?
I wouldn't even know how to get into contact with anyone selling them. Even even then, the prices are through the fucking roof because guns are just that rare to begin with.
Why would it be a bad thing to deprive criminals of guns?

>>690074195
>>690074115
So then where is your rebuttal to the National Acadamies of Science?

So then lets see your interpretation. Where is your data?


I'll wait.

US: guns unrestricted: worst mass shooting = 50

France: guns restricted: worst mass shooting = 130

Coincidence? I think not.

>>690063259
>OP Can't inb4
>OP can't /thread his own post, why even make the thread
you unintelligent fuck, sage goes in all fields
>some one just give me attention
>look mom! I finally made a thread with guaranteed replies

>>690074164
yeah so? nothing is going to stop that. you can't shoot the guy until he actually does something threatening you stupid faggot. if you do, because you think he might shoot someone, you will go to jail.

>>690069558

Did everyone just forget about 89 people being killed in that Paris theatre in November or am I fucking retarded?

Mass shootings happen everywhere, usually mulsims or radical Christians (less likely)

>>690074290
Because it wouldn't deprive criminals of guns.