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Gets his dog taken away because it was a pitbull - a breed banned where he lives.

Unpopular opinion time: pitbulls are vicious, you shouldn't have bought one and posted a selfie with it..
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>>689905420

There are two kinds of dogs in the world, those that are trained and those that are not trained.
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Pitbulls are trained to be violent and would just as soon rip your arms off if you try to arrest the owner of the dog.

That is, unless you were to shoot the animal. Which is uncalled for...
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>>689905558
Kek
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>>689905558
"He was a good boy"
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Gotta film flam doggo zam
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>tfw i have a pitbull and the last time she bit me, it didnt even break skin.

ITT Niggers trying to keep people from having dogs so they can rob more
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>>689905558
"He dindu nuffin"
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>>689905420
pits are not innately evil. People that fuck with them, make them bad. I've had pits and they're very sweet; train them well and you get great dogs.
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>>689906457
I think it depends on each individual dog honestly, if trained right it's got a really good chance to be a normal dog thats happy and doesn't ever cause problems. Though just like humans that can become serial killers from normal loving families I think dogs can as well, even if they're raised the right way and never abused some animals/people just end up fucked up
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>>689905420
It's not an unpopular opinion, it just doesn't have any scientific basis whatsoever.

50% (17) of all fatalities in 2015 involved more than one dog; 15% (5) involved a pack attack of four or more dogs; 21% (7) involved breeding on the dog owner's property either actively or in the recent past and 6% (2) involved tethered dogs.

In 2015, 9% (3) of all fatal attacks were inflicted by dogs rehomed by shelters or rescues. County operated shelters in Buncombe County, North Carolina and Madison County, Tennessee each adopted out a dog that fatally attacked a person.

So.. at least half of all the fatalities were from dogs rehomed from situations where they were specifically bread to hurt people, and often were done in groups of 4 or more.

HOLY SHIT HOW FUCKING IGNORANT CAN YOU BE YOU STUPID NIGGER.
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>>689906838
Dog ownership information for 2015 shows that non-family dogs inflicted the majority of dog bite fatalities, 59% (20), up 12% from the 10-year average of 47%. Over two-thirds of all deaths, 71% (24), occurred on the dog owner's property.

Adding this because it was left out in my copy/paste.
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One growing problem with aggressive pits is because breeders who produce fighting dogs are closely inbreeding them to bring out violent behavior. Inbred potatoes with strong jaws and no temper control. Pupper tard rage.
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>>689905420
>my apartment doesnt allow something
>imma post a picture with me having that banned thing in my house
Dumbasses everywhere
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don't let facts get in the way of feels people.

only minorities and trashy whites like pit bulls in the first place, lets blame racism.
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>>689905420
I've never met a pit bull in my entire life that wasn't a big doofy dipshit
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>>689905963
>i have a pit bull
>the last time she bit me
Ive owned boxers for years, there is no last time they bit me with them
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>>689906971

this
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>>689907062
No brains, all muscle & bite.

Honestly, why the fuck would you ever want a fucking Pit Bull??

The only thing theyre good for is chaining up outside...
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>>689905420
Sad? That's funny!
>That's what happens when you own something that is ILLEGAL IN YOUR AREA

Pitbulls are shit anyway. Now he can get a good dog instead - or better yet, a simple ass cat that doesn't shit on the lawn.
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>>689907291
Would you rather clean it out of a litterbox?
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>>689907241
My ex's family had a pit bull that they did exactly that to. All bark no bite. The worst he ever did to me when I came around was scratch me because he was trying to jump up and lick the fuck out of my face.
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>>689905420

The only reason Pit Bulls are viewed as violent is because most Pit Bull owners are niggers who train them to be niggers. This is coming from a nigger. Fuck niggers and fuck society for not seeing how fucking stupid and violent niggers are.
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>>689907469
Well there's a difference between black people and a nigga. So yeah as a privileged white cis male I say fuck niggers too, but my fellow african americans are cool
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>>689905420
It's how you bring them up
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>>689905924
topkek
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>>689907462
That's the problem with pit bulls - they are mentally unstable, therefore any casual trigger can turn them into fucking killing machine.
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>>689906838
In 2015, pitbulls were responsible for more than 90% of US dog related deaths and more than 75% of dog related attacks.

The breed needs to be eliminated.
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>>689907749
Fucking this^
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>>689907241
I dunno, they're usually pretty tolerable animals. They like to play and they'll do shit like hike and whatnot
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>>689905420
>being this stupid
>mfw pitbulls regularly score higher than golden retrievers in temperament tests. Over 87%
>mfw people really are stupid enough to believe everything that is shoveled down their throats on tv
>mfw the only history this person knows of Pits is the history parroted by the media, big surprise, they only focus on the bad

Sorry, beta faggot, grow a pair.
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>>689907447
I would ... and I do. (I have cats)

I like dogs don't get me wrong, they're generally much smarter than cats too (especially if you get one of those medium sized breeds), but I like cats more because they're more independant.

At least in a litterbox, it's all confined, they cover it up for the most part and unless you get a bad and/or stupid cat (or one who wants revenge at you) you don't have to worry about feces on the floor.

But if I were to have a dog instead, I would get a REAL breed, something that is friendlier and one I don't have to worry going apeshit and attacking someone. If I HAD to have a guard dog to protect my shit (rather than just sleep with a pistol under the pillow?), I would get something like a Doberman or a Bull Mastiff

But not a fucking pitbull.
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>>689907469
That was a whole lot of fuck niggers in one sentence
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>>689905420
A dog is a reflection of its owner. If they owner is bad then most likely the dog will be too. I hate how people put breeds in a box. It's not the dogs fault.
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>>689905420
it wasn't a pitbull though. it's an american Bulldog
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>>689907870
>mfw there is no hope for humanity
>mfw you're a waste of genetic material
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ITT: Pussies too scared to own a real man dog
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>>689907683
True, but if something has an inclination towards violence, as in breed for it. This means you have to be very diligent towards its up bringing. It is like ridgebacks, they are breed hunting dogs, if you dont follow a very strict upbringing it will fuck people up. So yes upbringing is true, but so is the fact that you must bring them up a certain way.
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>>689907946
Check the statistics you're using.

Also I've owned a pitbull and knew a friend who owned one too. They're just dumb and they're unstable.
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>>689908018

You'd understand my rage a lot more if you were black with the mentality of a White/Asian/Decent person. I fucking hate my mom for fucking a black guy. I could have been white anon.
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>>689907786
>mfw this nigger thinks a few dog bites and deaths is a big deal
>mfw the millions of other ones in the US don't hurt anyone
>being this retarded

Kill yourself
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>>689907932
Because no other dog breed likes to play or go for walks right? That's why you need a pitbull, ok then......
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>>689908183
Well no, that isnt how it works
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>>689905963
I owned a rottweiler he was a bitch and never bit no one, if your dog bites you then youre a nigger
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>>689908046
No, seriously, by all means, own a stupid fucking pit bull. Please, knock yourself out.
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>>689906788
well the pits that i've had, some can be more aggressive than others. The thing key is to train them and be consistent. The blood lusty pits are due to lack of training and/or making those dogs fight dogs.
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>>689908183
So you're 50/50?
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>>689908179
>mfw these statistics come straight from AKC
>mfw Pits have been used as nanny dogs, recue dogs, and police dogs for decodes and more
>mfw my pitbull knows over 20 commands
>tfw you realize the person you are talking to is probably mentally challenged and shouldn't own a dog in the first place

You can go hang yourself now.
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>>689908096
>real man dog
>pitbull
That's really funny, anon.

>pic related, bullmastiff
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Pitbulls killed 232 americans from 2005 to 2015.
Source: dogbites.org
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>>689907786
I've never met anyone who has had a problem with a pitbull. I've known 2 people who have been mauled by dogs and both of them were by Cairn Terriers. Any dog that is put in puppy mills or is not trained well will have problems.
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>>689908255
Lol nope only pit bulls
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>>689907447
>not training your cat to shit outside.
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>>689908436
what dogs did
>>689905558
fight to become this violent then?
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>>689905420
I don't think it's a pitbull the head is a bit wide to be a pitbull its probably a Staffordshire
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>>689908491
>mfw this retarded nigger uses a biased site like dogsbite.org to get his info
>mfw 232 deaths in ten years by a breed that is in the top five-ten most popular in the US is seen as a problem.

Most Pit attacks are dogs that have been mistreated, or abandoned. Either in the past, or present. The only monsters are the humans.
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>>689908487
That dog is fat as fuck
Good example
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>>689908615
huh, "what dogs did"...speak the english.
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>>689905420

Stupid fucking people.
>"I saw a vicious pit bull in a nig-nog music video once. They are dangerous!"
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>>689908487
>thinks a fat ass dog that can barely carry its own weight is a man's dog
>pit bulls were bred to work, but were misused
>men work
>pit = man's dog
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>>689908034
Doubt it, looks like pit.
I have an American Bulldog, and have never heard of restrictions on owning them.
Basically because they are totally chill.
Pic related, my 135 lb. pupper.
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>>689905558
Every dog can grow up to be an assailed. Pitbulls, like blacks, are naturally more aggressive, but if a dog attacks someone, it's still the owners fault for not training it right.
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>People aren't allowed to own specific types of animals because I said so!
>Stop liking what I don't like!
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>>689908898
Your trolling is bad
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>>689908808
dodge the question more you faggot
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>>689908425
Owned them all my life, never had one be aggressive once. It's okay, pussy, there are always Chihuahuas for people like you, I bet the kids love them too, and I'm sure you LOVE that.
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Guy in pic is musician Dan TIllery. Youtube him.
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all the people i know who own dogs like this are retarded ignorant fucking assholes who would watch their dog kill yours just to tell you it was your fault. they walk around all day calling em "nannydogs" and quack how they were breed to babysit. i hope they get banned here asap
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>>689908972
comparing black people to a breed of dogs...off yourself, you're obviously mentally retarded to still ramble racist banter.
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>>689909070
rewrite the question to be logical and then i'll answer it.
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>>689905558
>tfw nobody had a gun to shoot the thing
fucking plebs
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>>689909019
>has no valid argument
>resorts to calling me a troll
>mfw I laugh at his feeble attempt
>mfw pit haters are almost always mentally handicapped

Nice try, cuck.
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>>689905635
i second this
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>>689908986
>never owned a business
>doesnt understand insurance
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>>689908484
So you trust everything you read on akc.org. I should, too?

Still, they're unstable. You can look at these dogs the wrong way and they'll get pissed. Whoever decided to use these dogs as fucking NANNY dogs is completely retarded and naive.

And so you do own one. You cower and cater to the things wants and needs everyday so it doesn't flip it's shit on you one day.

>yeah I love pitbulls, they're really great.
>You're just ignorant

Have fun with your stupid dog
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>>689908986
Yeah! I should be able to keep a tiger in my house! My backyard is big enough for an elephant!
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https://youtu.be/vq7PVJW5WeA
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>>689905420
Pits are amongst the most loving loyal breeds. They can be hyper, they can be lazy, they can be playful, and they can be laid back. 99.9% of pit bulls personality is directly affected by its owner. If you raise one to be an aggressive shit bag, it will be. If you raise it to be loving and kind, it will be. Their is a slight chance in inbred pits to turn on their owners. Don't buy an inbred pit. Do some fucking research just like in anything else in this world. Don't just rely on the news, don't just go on what your stupid fucking laws say.

>1990's German Shepard and doberman hated
>now they're top breed for law enforcement
>2000's pits are the new hated breed
>many states lifting ban every year
>chiuahaha and poodles still amongst most vicious breeds and are coddled
>2016 not hating shit poodles and chiuahahas
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>>689909190
>totes not trolling
>"cuck"
Wew
http://www.akc.org/dog-breeds/bullmastiff/detail/
Learn about about this "fat" dog before you say the nigger of puppers is better than the mastiff.
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>>689909217
????

>>689909348
Now you've got the right idea!
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>>689909097
>being this much of a pussy
>being this jealous that he can't handle a powerful dog

How about you do some actual research, rather than be a sackless pussy.
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>>689907062
They are probably the most retarded breed. I worked at an animal shelter for a long time, and they're definitely the most untrainable dogs. They just dont understand anything. Even a piece of shit chihuahua is smarter than those things.
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>>689909323
THANK YOU!
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>>689907048
i had a pit, i got it for my fiance... that dog was so small when i got it my chihuahua bullied it, he got... that.. uh... parvo at a very early age and we helped him fight it, he lived through it, he never attacked anyone, he was always bullied by my chihuahua and never fought back even though hed occasionally step on him, that dog was completely harmless
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>>689909348
>compares a tiger to a pitbull
really nigger?
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>>689907048
That's not even sourced faggot
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>>689905420
i think the real problem with this story is that the cops can arrest you for something they saw on a computer... i've seen some pretty convincing photoshop jobs. if someone were wanted, could they shoop in a pitbull just get the cops to bother their neighbor or something.
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Pits are like alligators. They love good ole corn fed Nebraskans
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>>689909429
>people arent allowed to own something because i said so
I was responding to that point. Landlords have to deal with their insurance companies and with other tenants so saying they just say you cant own something shows how little you know. Unless youre just trolling
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>>689907786
Agreed. Ends justifies the means. No more nigger pits.
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>>689908016
Cat owners are fucked up in the head. You somehow think it is a good idea to let your cats paws tramp all over your dwelling after being in a litter box, I cannot even comprehend allowing this, yet you people are completely fine with it.

Birds FTW
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>>689909510
Sounds like an awesome pup, hope it had a good life with you
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>>689905558
Pitbulls are like the niggers of the dog world.
I love dogs but i dont understand how this could happen, like its just a fucking dog..
How could that little bitch kill somone.
If that dog attacked me im almost certain that i could end that little cunt.
In just lift that bitch up by his collar and his hind legs, above my head and then bring him down ontonmy knee.
No more dog.
Or id just gouge his eyes/ grab his balls.
Even the most vicious animals have weak spots.
Hell ive seen a fucking water buffalo drop like a sack of potatos whem a hyena bit his balls.
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>>689909568
That would be funny
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>>689909323
dude you look at ANY dog for too long in the wrong way and they're going to react. maybe you should stop giving them a reason to bite your silly little head off and just pet the fucker. jesus christ just because you're scared of dogs doesn't mean we should be too. pussy ass nigga
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>>689909323
>mfw I grew up with pitbulls
>mfw never been bitten
>mfw only ever been bitten by small ankle biters
>mfw my dog doesn't walk out the door until I say so

Just because you can't handle a willful dog doesn't mean everyone is as much a pussy as you. Nice bait though.
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>>689907946
Categorically wrong. Lol wut
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The problem is not with pit bulls specifically, but with all functional bull dogs.

Fighting dogs, bred to grip something and not release.

When they get some blood in their mouth, instinct takes over and they just bite and hold repeatedly. The injuries from this are much more severe than other types of dog.

With equal training, or equal lack of training, such a dog will always be more dangerous than other types of dog.

This is the problem with pit bulls. It doesn't help that the type of person who wants a pit bull is also the type of person who is probably going to be an awful owner, but even well trained pit bulls in healthy families have *much* higher fatality statistics than other types of dog.

It's not like a gun. You can control what you do with a tool. You can't fully control a dog. You're not allowed to have lions or tigers in your house, why would the most dangerous type of dog be allowed?
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>>689909404
>cool story
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>>689909466
why should i do research if i have a dog and meet people like this everyday?
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>>689909657
>birds
Dude you shit on cat owners despite knowing full well your house smells like complete shit. Come on
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>>689909387
>Complains about people stereotyping pit bulls
>Stereotypes God-tier poodles
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>>689909617
Well obviously if you have some contractual agreement between a landlord or company then you are liable for fees and damages.

I was just talking about in the context of the law.
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>>689909520
>Not even reading the post I was replying to
Less people die from tiger attacks than from pitbull attacks
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>>689909616
fundamentally disagree but thats funny kek
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>>689905420
I own a pitbull. She's actually pretty sweet and loving...
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>>689909760
>still not trolling
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>>689909657
You put up with that only because the cat allows it. You take your ant-feline sentiments elsewhere pal. Cat shit gives you character boy. Suck it up cupcake.
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>>689908519
Oh, so your tiny little personal experience actually matters when we are talking about the entire nations statistics.
You went full retard, and not just you, most of you. My god...
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>>689909487
>mfw the human blames the dog, but avoids taking any responsibility
>mfw my pit knows over twenty commands

Please jump of a bridge
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>>689909810
no i just read the part where you compared a fucking dog to a 600 pound cat. do tigers live in the suburbs where there are more people to kill or do you have to go out in the jungle/desert to find them?
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My dog will kill you fags
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>>689909904
>cats run my life
>no YOU grow some balls
>being this ironic
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>>689905420
>mfw every pit ive met is kind and loving
>guy still got a pit when is banned in his area
>stupid rule but he broke it so hes stupid
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>>689909785
What bird owners home smells like shit? Seriously man, have you smelled fresh bird shit, it doesn't even smell, only way it can smell is if the bird is sick or you are letting their shit get old and rot.
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>>689909810
*fewer people, you illiterate twat.
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>>689910022
>Implying

I work for the ATF
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>>689909865
>mfw giving facts is considered trolling
>mfw I'm being trolled because they have nothing more to say of any relevance
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>>689909790
Poodles < shit tier
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>>689909801
Yeah that is odd, my bad i considered it a landlord/tenant issue
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Pitbulls make up 12% of the population of the US but are responsible for 50% of all violent crimes. Explain that.
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My gran and grandad have had multiple pit bulls the only thing it does bad is when it barks at you for not petting her first when you come in the door like really look at this little shit it will never kill anyone
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>>689909657
Birds, heh.
Flapping their mite infested wings and spreading bird dander all throughout the air you breathe. Sit on a stick all day and bob their stupid head while they splatter shit on the newspaper. Ever hear the term "bird brain"?

Skinks FTW
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People are fine if you say cats are assholes and fuck cats and cat owners, but mention about how you dislike dogs, AND EVERYBODY LOSES THEIR MINDS.

People HAVE to have their fucking dogs. They LOVE their fucking dogs. Mention one bad thing about them and everyone is throwing statistics at you from every website and article they find.

Good god man. This is only fueling my disliking of dogs and dog owners
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>>689909767
>thinks personal anecdotes are valid
>thinks if one or two pits and owners were cocks then they all must be
>mfw you deserve to die for being so ignorant
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>>689910059
Hurls cat poo at you and skips away like Richard Simmons with a sack full of pink pencils
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Pittbulls no matter how much are trained are more common to Snap as does every dog. Except when they snap they fuckin eat your face off. Thats why they are a problem. I can't stand people who own them they always bring up "hes so good hes not violent" if you have to reassure people that the second they meet your dog you probably shouldn't have a dog like that. I have a chocolate lab Master dog race.
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>>689910166
I think anyone that dislikes dogs are shit tier people.
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>>689910118
i think your thinking of niggers, not that big of a mistake both arent human but at least pits can be trained
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>>689910226
This

Fucking thank you
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>>689910160
Uh, birds are far more intelligent than you will ever hope to understand so long as you are that closed minded.
Even chickens are smarter than dogs, I shit you not.
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>>689910166
Rule #1 Never trust a person who doesn't like dogs
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>>689905420
All dog breeds can to bite you, but thats not the issue. When a pit bull attacks, the injury inflicted may be catastrophic. Through selective breeding, pit bulls have developed enormous jaw strength, as well as a ruinous bite style, designed to inflict the maximum damage possible on their victims and end up inflicting more serious wounds than other breeds.

Also, 34 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2015 where pit bulls contributed to 82% of these deaths.
I believe it's everyones right to own one, but I'm not sure why someone would risk it when you have 340 different breeds to choose from.
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>>689910140
Kind of a run on sentence, so unfortunately it invalidates your opinion. Sorry.
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>>689910215
cant believe that faggot is getting surgery NOW in the twilight of his fucking life. bandwagon nigger
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>>689910084
>"facts"
So your opinion on bull mastiffs is facts now? So the fact that bull mastiffs can work harder and are more intelligent than pits, which has been proven is not legitimate because your "fact" of them being too fat to carry their own weight is more legitimate?
5/10 bait m8 pretty decent
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>>689910414
>has no valid argument to refute the picture and experience
>decides to resort to grammar Nazism
>tfw this invalidates your opinion as well
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>>689910166
You make a fantastic point.
You ever hear how people will actually judge other people based on how well dogs like them?
I must be a horrible person, because dogs can sense that I want my fucking space, and if I go into your house and your dog tries to jump on me, sniff me, or lick me, I won't allow it. You're lucky the only thing I am doing is pushing it away because I would love to slap it in the face.
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>>689910226
i had a beautiful black lab as a kid... from age 3 to... 5 maybe i cant remember, that dog loved me to death..... but she mauled the shit out of the mailman to the point we had to get rid of her, my parents said she was taken to a farm.. so she was probably given to someone or put down
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Pit bulls are the niggers of the dog world
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>>689910519
That's actually my bad. I am responding to so many faggots that I lost track of who I was being serious with and who I was trolling.
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>>68991041
grammar nerd please eat a booger
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>>689910354
No they aren't. Birds are of decent intelligence considering the size of their brains, but they are about as smart as a sack of hammers.
Chickens, seriously? You know that chickens sometimes drown during rainstorms because they look up with their beaks open and stay that way till death.
Get the fuck outta here with your bird love.
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>>689905635
>There are two kinds of dogs in the world, those that are trained and those that are not trained.

Yet Pitbulls lead the statistics over lethal attacks.

Yes, you got to train a dog properly, but the consequences are much more dire when idiots own pitbulls.
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>>689910140
Thats not a pitbull you twat
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>>689910118
Orcs make up 12% of the population of Tamriel but are responsible for 50% of all violent crimes. Explain that.
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>>689910623
You are a nigger of the human world, and my pitbull is better than you. Smarter too, he doesn't judge something by its breed.
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>>689910636
Thats what i figured you glorious faggot
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>>689910529
You seem to have a problem communicating in an understandable manner. I'll leave you to that then.
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>>689910226
>Pittbulls no matter how much are trained
doesn't matter how much you train them if you're training them WRONG. statistics are often skewed by thugging nigs who raise them to be fucking guard dogs and breed their kin the same way. raise them right and you wont have shit like faces getting bit off cuz you have no control of the dog.
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>>689910541
i love how casually you say they better be lucky you dont slap them in the face like you wouldnt probably get the shit rocked out of you by someone for hitting their dog or the dog wouldnt go beserk since you are stepping into someone elses home
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>>689910678
>mfw this nigger doesn't know what a pit is
>mfw this is a common occurrence among retards
>mfw it is clearly a young pit
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>>689910541
And you're basically a sub human.
No, no one wants to enter a home and get jumped on. But when a pupper comes up to meet you and you recoil in disgust, shows everyone what kind of shit person you are.
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>>689905558
Kek
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>>689910678
It's a Staffordshire bull terrier gets a bad rep it the uk as well
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>>689910769
>mfw this nigger can't read
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>>689910556
Poor thing! Thats like im saying tho every dog has to potential to snap. Its just wen pitbulls snap they dont stop and they kill. I think they are ugly as fuck too.
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>2016
>not knowing how to defend against a dog
>inferior species is too scary to own
You pussies deserve to get your throats bitten.
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>>689910670
>Implying this isn't a direct result of who usually buys and trains them, and is all the fault fault of the breed

I'd say it's got more to do with Compton than Pit Bulls
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>>689910940
Goddamn dude, your trolling is atrocious. I called you out above, and you move on to other people. At least you have your whole vacation to figure the nuance of trolling out.
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>>689910806
Its an animal No amount of training will ever prevent it from snapping at some point. Its a gamble whether it will happen or not and with pitbulls it happens more then other breeds.
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>>689910963
>mfw I can't walk one hundred yards from my house in the summer without some bitch oogling my pit
>mfw this nigger probably picks up kids with chihuahuas
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>>689910963
well some are, the ones with the sunken in snout, but the longer nosed ones that are solid black or have socks are kinda cute
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>>689910662
>Chickens, seriously? You know that chickens sometimes drown during rainstorms because they look up with their beaks open and stay that way till death.

Holy shit this better be b8, that is a wive tale, 100% false. I've been raising chickens for 23 years, I assure you to this day I am still learning new things about their intelligence.
The reason people have trouble understanding their intelligence is because they don't mimic our behaviors as much as other animals we perceive as intelligent just because they appear to be mimicking us, like cats for example. In reality a cat is not mimicking us at all, and a chicken isn't either, but after you start to decode their behavior you realize how brilliant they really are.
But what do I know, someone once told you they look up and drown in the rain, so it must be true.
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>>689908245
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>>689911154
>mfw there are millions of "Pit Bulls" breed dogs in the US and 99.9% of them never snap
>mfw /b/tards have a hard time with reality, and maths
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its almost certainly a staffordshire, the police are fuckwits
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>>689905635
There are two types of faggots on this world. Those that are faggots, and those who act like they aren't faggots (or, in the closet).

You're faggot 1.
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>Shepard dogs were made to look after sheep.
>Watchdogs were made to watch over your house
>hunting dogs were made to hunt
>PITBULLS were made to watch over your fucking kids.
are yall retarded.
And does one of you actually believe that you can train something out of your dog in a few moths that has been breeded into them for several houndreds of years?
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