>>689892266
Actually it is you liberals who are the ones that are in serious damage control mode.

All I see from you guys is "gun control" when clearly it was an act of terrorism and hatred motivated by Islamic beliefs.

>>689892266
>>689892745

Two different opinions on what the motive was. Why can't people come to a consensus on what happened? Because this all got wrapped in some bullshit political bias, these threads are stupid because they go nowhere.

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>>689892745
>All I see

all you see is what fox nooze, donald trump, and conservative talk radio tells you to see. that is the problem with why conservatives even exist, they can't think for themselves, and have to be told what to do and think.

if what you believe is even partially true, then please explain why this shooting boosted hillary clinton in the polls? because she is tough on gun control, and trump is not.

>>689893039
Exactly a country controlled by fear is a quiet country

>>689893032
Why don't people simply look at the facts? It's not like it's rocket science or anything. Simple logic is all that is needed.

>>689893238
Both sides are using fear. One side, fear of guns, the other side fear of terrorism.

>>689892266
Ofc they're going to blame the right; the right wingers want to abolish the DHS altogether so...

>>689893334
Guns is the only rational fear of the two.

>>689893452
Guns should be respected, terrorists need to be feared, and dealt with.

Sure you can't eliminate all terrorism, but you could at least admit where 90% of it stems from, and then begin to fix the problem.

>>689892266
It's been confirmed that he was an extremist; he posted on his FB that he was doing it in retaliation for the bombings in afghanistan. You're not too bright are you?

>>689893583
>where 90% of it stems from

90% in recent history

>>689893452
Phobias are by definition, irrational. You emotionally unstable cuck.

>>689893334
However the fear of terrorism leads also to the fear of guns. Guns a just another tool made to kill like the sword. I dont fear guns in the right hands i fear when theyare in the wrong hands. And obviously it wasnt the gun stores fault the fbi cleared him so what can you do? Start treating people guilty till inoccent? There are many lies and liars floating around.

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>>689893639
>confirmed

By Fox news? or by Rush Limbaugh?

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Puppets on the right and puppets on the left. Both accuse the other of lacking processes of critical thought; both are, themselves, up to their necks in ideology.

>all sheep, no shepherds.

>>689892266
The killer didn't call 9-1-1 and say he was going on a killing spree because 'there are too many guns in America.' He said he was doing it 'for ISIS'
Case closed.

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>>689893772
No actual evidence of him actually saying that exists. Only speculation.

So until official 911 recordings are released that can confirm this, it is a non-issue.

We can speculate all day long, but in the end it will get us nowhere.

Until then, what do we know? It was another mass shooting, like Sandy Hook, Aurora movie theaters, etc.. These all have only 2 factors in common. Guns, and the crazy person using them.

>>689893975
Sorry. Actual evidence of him saying that DOES in fact exist. You cannot deny it just because the authorities are not handing you the audio file.
You can sandbag reality all that you want; however, the fact is: Islamic fundamentalism is a danger to the Western world and IS most certainly the issue at hand.

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One of the most fundamental insights of psychoanalysis is that even the most brutal expressions of violence are the result of a semiotic deadlock within the symbolic order.

Even the total elimination of guns would, at best, only temporarily delay the inevitable. And, perhaps, for the moment, that would be a productive initiative.

However, as a society, if we truly want to prevent acts of extreme violence, we need to resolve those contradictions which are inherent in the social order.

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>>689893039
all you see is what CNN, NBC, ABC, John Oliver, Hollywood celebrities, and NPR radio tells you to see. that is the problem with why liberals even exist, they can't think for themselves, and have to be told what to do and think.

if what you believe is even partially true, then please explain why this shooting boosted donald trump in the polls? because he is tough on Muslims immigrating here from countries associated with Islamic terrorism, and hillary is not.

>muh conservative platitudes
>muh liberal platitudes

You're just as spoonfed as the guy you're "arguing with". Pro-tip: Establishment Democrats and Republicans are both wanting to keep things the way they are so they can all get rich being career politicians/puppets for the mega wealthy elite.

Have fun screaming "red team" at people screaming "blue team", you imbeciles.

>>689893727
Look it up fuckboi

>>689893032
Right wingers watch their own version of the news.
Left wingers watch their own version of the news.

Their language is starting to diverge, it's getting to the point where it's like they're viewing two different parallel realities, relative to one another. That's what televisions do to people. They're boxing themselves into increasingly smaller points of view, because it's never occurred to them to try looking at it from both perspectives at the same time. Or at least to take turns looking at it from either perspective throughout the day.

>>689894201
You're clearly not aware of the fact that your own ideology is severely clouding your judgement

The problem is not the government.
The problem is not the gorilla.
The problem is not the kid.
The problem is not the muslims.
The problem is not the fags.

The problem is allowing guns, regardless if they are automatic or not, to be readily available to a country which is known for its corrupt, and foul actions.

The problem is the thoughts that have been conditioned into ameritards brains that they're going to be raped by an angry black nigger at each corner of the street unless they have a firearm with them.

When you give the people guns, they feel safe. What does this tell you? Guns or not, you live in a niggerish society, America.

You must eradicate the muslims, niggers and spics and then you can leave guns behind.

Or

Get that thought out of your head and actually become civillised

>>689892266
This is the part where OP explains why Frances strict gun control didn't prevent the murder of 89 people in November last year.

Here it comes

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> calls 911 to pledge allegiance to ISIS
> somehow islamic terror

>>689894645
>foreign subhuman
>comes to American websites to pretend his opinions matter
>thinks he's civilized when he doesn't even run the planet
xD

>>689894656
The niggers literally had RPGS

They were obviously blackmarketed

>>689894645
I don't understand how, even when the red line appears under the word you misspelled, you can still post the word "civillised" when it's actually "civilized". It's not fucking hard to not always appear to be a dumbass you lazy goddamned beta faggot millennial

>>689894645
>guns made him do it

Murder is illegal.

Taking guns into a place which serves alcohol is illegal.

Taking guns into a school is illegal.

Taking guns into a government building is illegal.

Laws laws everywhere, and yet this still happens. Maybe if we make just one more law banning guns.......

protip: CRIMINALS DON'T OBEY LAWS

>>689893975
And gun free zones...

>>689894824
Dads an Ameritard, Mums english.

Even we have guns in our home, i'm not saying I agree with banning guns. I'm saying the public literally believe they will be confronted unless they have a fire arm on them. Don't even deny it.

>>689894900
Protip: you're a moron

>>689892266
You forget this guy was a registered democrat

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>>689894585
Typical leftist retort:
Forget about reality when confronted with a rational argument. Instead, make accusatory comments regarding racism, sexism, etc.

>>689894962
>he thinks that was a cue for him to keep talking when he readily admits he's not 100% an American human
Your mother fucked you up, little kid. You'll never understand liberty now.

>>689892266
Lol he was a registered democratic voter

>>689894900
Maybe make it harder for them to get it, Retard.

A black market already exists.

>Disarming the public won't do nothing

Maybe, but it will make it harder for beta faggots like you who want to shoot up schools because his gay highschool crush won't acknowledge him.

>>689894897
Sorry Americunt, i'm using a phone and also since i'm not American we spell it Civilised, but my bad I added another L. Maybe you should take it, loser.

America is a joke and you will be out numbered by niggers soon.

>>689895186
>implying a radical conservative right-winger couldn't possibly ever register for any party that they wanted to.

Autism

>>689895156
You mad that trump inevitably fucked you and wants to ban guns yet again?

You kow you're a pussy when you can't defend yourself from a muslim with a gun

Stay salty, my nigger.

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>>689895368
>Maybe, but it will make it harder for beta faggots like you who want to shoot up schools because his gay highschool crush won't acknowledge him


MFW School shooters and other mass shooters have been mostly liberals and registered democrats.

topKek

>>689895388
>voting for something against your beliefs for the lolz
You got me troll man jones you really did. 7/10 bait

>>689895489
>visibly upset

>>689894645
>poisons the well
>spews bullshit
>makes stupid suggestion

>>689894656
Still waiting

>>689895368
North or South America, mohammed?
>inb4 b.. b-but m-m-m-m8... (.T_T).

1/10 b8 because I replied.

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Take it to pol you retards this place is for porn and banana threads

>>689895548
Project much?

>>689892266
There's a ban on murder, does that stop it from happening?
There's a ban on illicit drugs, does that stop them from being used?
There's a ban on sodomy, does that stop it from happening?

There's a point to this anti gun agenda and it's not to protect you or your family. It's the federal government protecting itself. Don't be stupid. Guns aren't the problem, people are. They're not getting the mental help they need. They're overworked, under paid, and consuming negative media like never before.

>>689892266
Anyone have a link to said statement?

>>689895368
>won't do nothing
You're a retard and have no place debating anything with anyone.

>inb4 you cry about my fallacy when we both know it's true

>>689895652
Well he did explain it. It's because the killers used weapons that weren't legal in France. Namely, RPGs that must have been purchased on the black market.
>>689894828

>>689895725
>There's a ban on sodomy, does that stop it from happening?

I think only one state has that.

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So many shill threads

>>689895368
>since i'm not American we spell it Civilised
You spell it how we tell you to spell it because you are the employee in this situation and we are the company owner. You people lost the right to determine the fate of the English language when you needed your former colony (who rebelled and won) to prevent you from speaking German or Russian. Understand, Liam?

>>689895852
12

>>689895725

Tighter regulations on how they're sold and who to is not equal to a blanket ban

>>689893032
Liberals: "It's a gun problem!"
Conservatives: "It's a Muslim problem!"
Truth: It's a Muslims with guns problem.

>>689896082
>just take a step down this slippery slope
>you'll be fine xD

>>689892266
The motherfucker LITERALLY pledged allegiance with ISIS and you're trying to tell me it wasn't islamic terrorism? Get the hell out of my country.

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Ban guns
Ban muslims

Then we can all be happy

>>689896082
Which I have no problem with. However, a blanket ban on assault rifles will have no effect. Next shooting will be a handgun, then the ban for those because they're too easy to conceal.

>>689896321
you forgot niggers

>>689896259
It's every U.S. Citizens right to pledge allegiance to whoever the fuck they want.

That's how this country rolls. If you don't like it, go move to North Korea, and go join the Supreme Leader's loyal brigade.

In the past 30 years, 2 groups of people have committed the highest number of murders in the USA, with a drastic lead over other groups.

But pointing this out makes me a racist.

>>689894645
>>689896198
>>689896321

This.

THE NIGGERS AND THE SPICS WITH GUNS ARE THE PROBLEM

Disregard all white people, they're only labeled as mentally deranged

>>689896321
>Ban guns
>Then we can all be happy
Please don't ever lump yourself in with real Americans who believe in liberty and personal responsibility.

the obama admin is famous for saying one thing and doing another.

For example, obama praises muslims when he speaks, then launched drones strikes on muslims overseas.

>>689896465
Thinking about everything in terms of race makes you a racist

>>689896402
I know this is b8 but, it's also their right to keep and bear arms.

>>689892266
Go ahead and try to take away guns. The right will rise and militia up so fucking fast liberals heads will spin. We will burn leftist bodies in the streets. You can take away my guns over my dead body you fucking faggot.

>>689892266
Wrong board. Try /pol/

>>689892266
B8 for sure. Not taking it

>>689894960
Can't touch that one
>Daily reminder that guns are illegal in paris

>>689896660
>to keep and bear arms

Okay, we won't cut your arms off, and you can wear short-sleeved shirts.

>>689895055
Pro tip: he has a point

>>689892266
ok, Hitler

>>689896500

only good men believe in liberty and personal responsibility. people like you only believe in license.

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>>689896402
>It's every U.S. Citizens right to pledge allegiance to whoever the fuck they want.
It's also OUR right to execute traitors.
>fucking retard

>>689893444
Checked but wrong again, libtard. Government dhs has failed over and over. Give private companies a chance.

>>689896660
What's the relation between the right to bear arms, and the right to pledge allegiance to whoever the hell you want?

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This man is going to be the new face on gun control watch and learn

>>689892266
agreed.

the constitution allows for "well regulated". right now we're pretty much at unregulated. we'll get there eventually and align with the constitution. this is a good first step - keep it out of the hands of people, maybe you, who seem to want to cause violence.

>>689896821
That was my point, retard

>facepalm.png

GUISE AN MP JUST GOT SHOT IN ENGLAND REEEEEEEEEEE IS IT MUSLIM OR WHITE LETS FIND OUT

>>689892266
Over 100 million gun owners with trillions of rounds of ammo. If we were a problem you'd know it.

>>689896772
Don't bother replying if you can't think of anything intelligent to say, kid.

>>689893238
gun controls like this will reduce fear, you dumb faggot

>>689896840
>What's the relation between the right to bear arms, and the right to pledge allegiance to whoever the hell you want?

The constitution. 1st and 2nd amendments.

>>689893452
yeah, in the US at least. well, islamic terrorism is stil way behind white male terrorist attacks of the last few years.

if any mass shooting is an act of terrorism, and why wouldn't it be? then they kind of go hand in hand.

>>689897011
Does the first amendment protect freedom of religion?

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>>689893039
It boosted Hillary in the polls because it was meant to boost Hillary... Do a little digging past the first page of Google... Try a .org website... You'll learn alot.

>>689896995
>will reduce fear

Speak for yourself faggot; I feel a lot safer with my piece on my side.

>>689897011
you're a fucking retard

>>689896927
Pretty sure the Supreme court has a better grasp of the context and language than you, the retard who can't be bothered to capitalize letters like a white person who passed the 4th grade. Sit down and shut up, Californian.

>>689896082
Make it harder to get guns, less people buy guns, less people care about it, less people vote to keep the right in the future
>>689896324
Handguns will be last to be banned despite accounting for the most of all types of firearms deatha for the reason above. Too many people carry Handguns for self defense and therefore care about keeping the right to it. What they don't realize is that not defending the rights of others is not defending their own in the end

>>689897344
Get fucked faggot, I'm Californian and can't stand liberals.

>>689897467
>I'm Californian
Then maybe go grab some In-N-Out while people from non-shit states discuss important issues, "brah".

>>689896840

he's right >>689897011

The 1st amendment gives people the freedom to express themselves (speech, religion, etc), and the 2nd amendment is there to help us protect the 1st amendment from tyranny as well as protect our personal freedoms.

>>689893772
i say i'm a shortsop for the ny yankees. when can i join a game?

what he claims doesn't really matter.

>>689892266
Nigga pledged aloud his allegiance to ISIS
Dumbass libtard pussy faggot cuck

>>689897714
You seem rather desperate to ignore the true motivation. I wonder why that is....

>>689897685
>can't tell if troll or stupid

you seriously can't really be this retarded can you?

please be bait, oh please please be fucking bait.

>>689897602
There's actually some legitimate militias in California that the rest of the U.S. could learn something from. I don't expect anything but more name calling out of you, but I thought I should speak up and vouch that there is a way to regulate a non-government militia, and there's a few hills in Cali that do it right.

>>689897839
You're why IDs on /b/ were a good idea.

>>689897162
yeah because you think you're going to be a hero some day. it's dumb shit like that that gets people killed. yuo think just dragging your fat ass to a shooting range is enough to prepare you for a shootout with someon who wants to kill you?

you're just dumb.

>>689897685
Wait a minute.

Are you saying the same document that recognizes the right to bear arms also recognizes the right to practice Islam?

What exactly are we arguing about in this thread again?

>>689897962
And you're just another faggot victim.
>stay cucked

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I'm genuinely curious so don't flame me,

Why do Americans think that crime rates going to get higher if guns become banned?

Is it because criminals will more likely commit crimes? I don't get it, laws don't matter to criminals regardless, and I don't think they care if you have guns or not in the process of comitting a crime.

Is there any other way which can decrease the chances of a criminal getting their hands on a gun without outright banning them?

>I know they're going to get their hands on one regardless of laws, restrictions and whatever

Rather than everybody arguing, why don't people start finding solutions rather left and right

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>>689898076

>>689898085
Our police and government are extremely corrupt. There's a high chance that any given mass shooter is on Federal payroll. Apparently, it is in fact true that the only way to keep our government in check at the moment is by threat of retaliation by civilian militias. Like, you just have no idea until you've lived here. It's fucking insane. We are at war with our own government, and the only reason it hasn't broken out in all out combat yet is because we're think we can still get the Feds to disarm peacefully without having to escalate the conflict.

Yeah, it's really that insane over here.

>>689898029
Because gun control, and radicalized Islam which feels that they have a mission (or right) to kill innocent non-believers (infidels).

Some people what to limit both of these amendments (hate speech/PC, gun control).

The founders had a good reason to put those in there.

>>689898085
right wing nutcases can't tell the difference between a self serving puff piece point from the NRA and a well reasoned argument. they just parrot the talking points in some kind of weird approximation of heroism. they think just having a gun is almost the same as actually stopping a mass shooting, which of course no one has yet done.

meanwhile the NRA and the gun manufacturers completely understand the argument is a bullshit one.

>>689898482
So wait. Then the obvious solution is not to not limit either. Right?

Because you can't say the 2nd amendment is illegitimate without saying the 1st amendment is illegitimate. So you can't ban Islam, without also opening the door to ban guns. Right?

Holy shit. It's like whoever wrote the Constitution knew this might happen.

>>689898482
out of the many, many mass shootings in the US over the last few years only like 2% have been muslim. we have an issue and it spans many beliefs and religions.

>>689897602
Lol wtf is up with this turd
>brah
Jesus you watch to many movies, dude

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>>689898482
>argues in favor of a 200+ year old document
>doesn't understand history, and the evolution of a nation.

2nd amendment is the cause of most of America's problems and deaths.

>>689897962
>yea because you think you're going to be a hero someday
>you think
>you

What the fuck is up with liberals assuming shit all the time. You don't know this anon so how could you decide what he thinks? Fucking drones are just repeating shit

>>689898663
I have no problem with Islam or any other religion as long as they don't infringe on other peoples rights. This obviously means not murdering them. No religion has a right to murder people.

If you are arguing that murder or Jihad or whatever you call it is a part of Islam, and is therefore protected under the constitution, then you're an idiot. By that logic satanists should be allowed to sacrifice small children without any consequence either.

>>689898999
well why else would he feel safer you faggot? otherwise it's a dumb statement. i bet this islamic piece of shit felt safer with ar-15 too. so what?

Leftists say that police are racist, and a dangerous unchecked power in this country. They also say, we should have NO guns, and let these same police protect us.

>>689899070
Because he can defend himself, idiot.

>>689898573
Because mass shootings keep taking place in areas in which guns are not allowed. Concealed or open, no law-abiding citizen has a gun inside a school, a movie theater, a nightclub, a mall... You aren't allowed them there.

Criminals don't care. They're about to break a law much more serious than the no gun zones.

I don't understand this, I really don't. A criminal brings a gun into a place he is not allowed to bring a gun regardless of the fact that it is illegal. Laws don't make magic barriers at doors through which guns cannot pass. Laws rely on human decency and enforcement/disciplinary punishment to have any power at all. All it takes for the law not to matter is for someone to choose to ignore it. Why do libtards need any other argument on this issue? Why do you think you can refute this?

>>689899070
I know if I was ever in a hostage situation like some of the faggots at the club were for a while, I'd feel a lot safer if I had a gun. Hell I might have even pulled it out and attempted to defend myself rather than wait on the cops.

>>689893238

why is america so god dammed loud then?

also, the last place i feel fear is america,

think you got your wires crossed buddy.

>>689898325
Okay, I'll bite.

I'm guessing that there are more Bernie supporters who masturbate to tranny/trap porn, then there are Trump supporters who do so.

I am basing this on the whole 'gender argument' presented by the left.

America should just rebel with their guns holstered and ready.

>>689899416
it's just dumb to think you'll know what a killer is intending. the first thing i'd do is simply kill the faggots with guns. that's it. you don't know he's coming. he knows wha the wants to do. you will NEVER be a hero. get it out of your mind. it will never happen.

>>689894463

yeah yeah yeah, here comes the "muh establisment" morons,

anarchy is not the way to go you edgy 15 year olds.

>>689899627
rebel from what dummy?

>>689899544
people who watch trap porn openly won't be so quick to call people cucks completely out of context like trump supporters do.

>>689895368
ITT: Europoors tell us how to run our country

Bet that shooting in France wouldnt have happened if all guns were banned...owait

You yanks get too caught up with your 2 party system that you cant find a middle ground. Why can you people agree that Muslims kinda suck, their religion is pretty shitty and easily promotes extremism. But also giving every nutcase in America an automatic rifle with little to no checks is probably a stupid idea aswell.

>>689900174
the guy who killed 2 people with a knife would have killed dozens.

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reading this thread, and thinking about the guy who shot up the gay bar, he was angry at the world, he pledged allegiances to rival groups in his talk with 911

he did what he did because he was angry at the world, not for any other reason.

and i come on this thread,

>the guns are the problem
>the niggers are the problem
>the Muslims are the problem
>the Mexicans are the problem
>the conservatives are the problem
>the liberals are the problem

this site, and it's users, with how angry they are at the world.

no 4chan user ever stops and looks in the mirror and wonders if they are the problem.

>>689899857
I am not saying that I will. But you can't say it's never happened before. And you also can't say that it doesn't increase the odds in the favor of the killer if there is no opposition to him.

I probably won't be a hero, you're right. But fucking someone might if they're given the ability to be.

>>689900174
>Bet that shooting in France wouldnt have happened if all guns were banned

>implying that they actually got the guns IN FRANCE

>>689899050
Yeah because modern satanists sacrifice children so often lol ignorant faggot

>>689900360
there was a cop in the club faggot. he didn't do shit. maybe there was 50 instead of 75. but really what does that matte?

>>689900419
>Muslims have a RIGHT to murder under freedom of religion

autist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLqkizGtFo0

>>689900481
We are not just talking about the club shooting, we're talking about all of the mass shootings that have happened and will happen. Do you seriously think that there is nobody in the country with the balls to put down a would-be murderer? Do you seriously think that all gun owners are sitting there stroking their cocks about what hero's they are just because they own a gun?

>>689900780
well there's been a lot. and no one has managed to stop them.

http://time.com/4368615/orlando-mass-shootings-chart/

>>689898573
Your an idiot. The 2nd ammendment doesn't protect a citizens need for a firearm or a citizens want for a firearm. It protects their right for a firearm. As stated in the 2nd amendment, that specific right shall not be infringed. Shall we discuss what the phrase shall not be infringed means?

>>689900780
>all of the mass shootings

How about all of the Islamic terrorist attacks..... I'm not letting you lefties divert from the real issue.

Saying this is the same as Sandy Hook is a diversion and misleading.

Saying it is like 9/11, San Bernardino, or Fort Hood would be more accurate.

>>689900930
You're* you fucking retard

>>689900930
it protects a well regulated militia, not an unregulated one.

>>689901060
spot all the muslims in this chart

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data

less than 5%

>>689900339
nobody cares

>>689900930
>shall not be infringed. Shall we discuss what the phrase shall not be infringed means?

Sure and while were at it, let's discuss the meaning of "A well regulated Militia". Nowhere does it mention individual ownership of firearms faggot.

>>689901081
Oh an insult and a spelling correction with no actuall rebuttle, I'm butthurt and will change my point of view.

>>689900926
>and no one has managed to stop them.
Because in most cases no one is allowed to concealed carry where they occur. Fucking... Duh.

>>689901060
I'm conservative, you fucking faggot, and it is the same in that had someone been Concealed carrying there, it may have been prevented.

Yes, it's a fucking sandnigger, but you have to see what I mean.

>>689901104
mi·li·tia
məˈliSHə/Submit
noun
a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.

If the civilians aren't armed how can this happen?

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>>689901198

and no one ever will.

>>689901497
it needs to go hand in hand fag lord. you want a gun? join a militia, get trained, pass inspection, etc.

>>689901410
arm everyone is the dumbest thing you rednecks have ever swallowed from the gun lobbies. fucking idiots. just sells more guns.

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>>689894459

> semiotic deadlock

like...a halt to the study of signs...abated index vectors???

thatwordidontthinkyouknowwhatitmeans.jpeg

>>689896465
nice try, but 95% of all mass shooters are white fundamentalists

>>689901615
>join a militia

Gtfo faggot; I'm not joining shit.

>Implying I'm not allowed to defend myself, property and family without joining some fag cult..

>>689892266
If you disarm a nation people have no way to protect themselves.
>if you are dumb enough to believe the government wants what's best for you, you need to open your eyes.

>>689901615
>join a militia, get trained

Guess what your evil NRA does? It trains people how use firearms correctly.

>but their agenda

They do have an agenda. Training people.

Do you have any idea how militias work? If it's an organised militant group it isn't a militia and it doesn't work for the sole purpose of helping a regular army. It is an army not a militia, I just gave you the fucking definition

I'm from the UK. I wish we were allowed to bare arms, maybe then the government wouldn't fuck us everyday

>>689901924
According to the 2nd amendment that's exactly how it has to go down.

The NRA has since poisoned the actual meaning because they are a lobby group for the gun manufacturers, who only small dollar signs, and could give a shit about innocent lives.

>Tell me again how criminals follow laws?

>>689901997
you don't get shot at least.

until you can bear drones you won't be able to stand up to any modern military.

>>689901997
Exactly.

>>689902113
doesn't matter if they do or not. no guns to be gotten = criminal doesn't have a gun.

>>689893727
No, you're right. He wasnt an extrememist or a muslim, that's why he fucking called 911 and told what he was about to do he did in the name of ISIS and swore loyalty to that Al-baghadii guy or w/e their leader is called.
Get educated faggot

>people with guns all about protecting their country, and their freedoms against terrorists and threats are the problem

yeah, okay kid.

>>689902241
so what? i claim that i'm a shortstop for the yankees. when can i play?

>>689902241
>he did in the name of ISIS
citation (recording) needed....

Nope, didn't think so.

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>>689892266
>just happens to be a delusional Islamic sympathizer.
>not terrorism.
>this is all the gun toting gun enthusiasts fault.
Bait harder OP.

>>689902198
cuz criminals won't go else where and get them. Then bring them back.
>you are one of the problems

>>689902363
who's the one b8ing here?

It seems to me that you're in the minority if you believe that this wasn't gun violence, and just one more glaring example of what is wrong in America today.

>>689892266
If any wrol situation occurs you will cower behind the so called gun nuts for protection you waste of sperm

>>689902363
lots of non-muslims on this list

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XV4mZi3gYDgwx5PrLwqqHTUlHkwkV-6uy_yeJh3X46o/edit#gid=0

>>689902545
We're talking about Orlando and Omar. He was a Muslim.

The three worst mass murders in US history were committed using arson, diesel and fertilizer, and air planes.

It's easy to kill a massive number of people when you can trap them in a place. Schools are a death trap with no defense. The typical commercial buildings such as shops and clubs only have about 2 entrances/exits. I could go in a night club with a pop gun, fire it, scare the shit out of people and cause them to all rush to the nearst exit, and kill several people would probably be trampled to death.

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>>689902486
oh...boy! you are saying... "this is only about gun violence" and not about psychotic Islamic nut jobs bombing, mass shooting, and doing other wingnut shit like honor killings on our soil?

>>689901701
When did I fucking say arm everyone? You're arguing with me, not the entire right. Please, try to understand that.

Some people fucking shouldn't have guns. Anyone with mental illness, anyone below a certain iq threshold, anyone with a history of violent crime, anyone with any form of trafficking charge, etc. But the fucking problem, please keep reading veery slowwly, is that those people will still be able to obtain a gun illegally. And they very likely won't be using it for good.

Okay? Did you get that, you left wing absolute retard? That is my only point. Anti gun legislation will not solve the problem. Do you understand?

>>689892266
Guns are made legal to own, for the purpose, to used by the people to act as a "militia" in case of foreign insurgency into this country. They would have to wipeout the military, then the populous.

>>689902486
Guns aren't the problem. People are.
>if guns are the problem, then I guess you better take your mamas silverware away. Cuz that fat butch bitch isn't responsible for being a whale. You better start the lawsuit against Martha Stewart.

>>689902502
Hell yes they will.

>>689902652
yeah and? the next one is likely to just be white and probably christian, judging by the last 30 or so.

>>689902545
yeah,I'll get right on it and read more propaganda.

>>689902793
yes, we need to also punish anyone who sells guns trying to get around the limitations. so what? we can do that too. the US can do anything it wants to.

>>689902946
it's just a list of shooters and the details of each killing. it does not offer any sort of opinion on the matter. it's just a fucking spreadsheet you dumb faggot.

>>689902809
Basically the 2nd amendment is a backup plan if shit hits the fan?

>>689892266
Hur dur let's forget the guy was a fucking nutjob and limit how many bullets we can shoot and how!!!! Fuck off shit posting OP.

>>689902809
yes, a well regulated militia. not a bunch of fat rednecks who think they know what's happening because they go to the range once a week.

>>689903118
Yes. Incase of invasion from a foreign country or the government deciedes to lose its shit. It was written as a defense for any man.

>>689902917
>christian
>last 30 or so

Please list a few. Christianity says that murder is a sin, so try harder faggot.

>HURR: "All religions do this" (I only say that because I don't have to balls to call out what is obvious).

Most mass shootings done by nut cases. They are not doing it in the name of Christianity, so trying to bring that up is a sad diversion attempt. Hell if we do that we might as well point out their political affiliation too. Guess what most are registered democrats.... just sayin'

In reality it doesn't matter, they are crazies who can't deal with shit and snap.

Islamic Jihadists on the other hand are completely different. They have such strong religious beliefs that they believe that they are called to murder. They are not necessarily crazy or delusional by medical standards. Also, they murder in the name of religion.

So you have 2 things. People who snap and murder, and those who murder "in the name of religion".

We're talking about the second one, those who murder in the name of religion.

Now please show me in recent history where Christians are doing this. Also please show me in recent history where Muslims AREN'T the ones who are pretty much the only ones doing this.

>>689901997
That is correct. This is why the U.S. has guns everywhere. It's not like we don't know that it's a risk to do so. We know it. But, in this country, we chose to take that risk, because it helps us keep our government from fucking us in the ass. It's a choice between liberty or death.

The idea of living in a country with no legal weapons is an interesting one. I'm sure it could work, with the right government oversight. That's not this country though, it's never been this country, and if anyone wants to change that, they're going to have to be as brilliant, courageous and possibly as insane as the founding fathers that came up with our Constitution in the first place.

>>689902241

Is that why he was closeted and went to pulse all the time and came home and cried about it? And beat up his wife every time he saw dudes kissing in the park and got jelly?

He could not reconcile his gayness and was by coincidence fucking crazy. This was an act of terror but had nothing to do with Islamic extremism.

>>689903303
Bet all those family's in Orlando wish that there loved ones had a fucking gun.
>could have shot Aloha snack bar at the door.

>>689903503
He pledged himself to Isis faggot.

>>689895368
Eurocuck pls go

>>689903264
Imagine if militia groups started forming?Do you think the government would get intimidated by such forces? Try to shut them down etc because they are in fear of an uprising? Would that go against the 2nd amendment?

>>689892266
best laugh I've had all day OP. what exactly is "right wing". cry more bitch liberal.

>>689895945

save your breath you spaz

>>689903488
very few muslims on this list

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XV4mZi3gYDgwx5PrLwqqHTUlHkwkV-6uy_yeJh3X46o/edit#gid=0

>>689903488
>Please list a few.
learn2google

>So you have 2 things. People who snap and murder, and those who murder "in the name of religion".

The first one kills far more, and is the reason that this is a gun issue, and not a religious issue. Omar may have been Muslim, but that is just coincidental, you said it yourself. Dylan Roof was a Christian right?

>>689892266
In my opinion I think the left and the right are equally ugly. Why the fuck do people try to exploit tragedies like this, it's sickening.

>>689903642
So what?

What has that got to do with every other muslim in existence? Did they all go murdering people? Are you going to try and be precrime this, like you're some kind of psychic next? "This person is x religion, so they should be arrested before they commit a crime, because statistics." Is this your plan?

>>689903822
The way the gov is now, you would just disappear.

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Please remove jewish shills from /b/.

>>689898837
>outsiders who think they know shit about America

Keep your worthless, sackless, beta male opinion to yourself. .000034% of our population is killed by guns each year. Far more are killed by literally dozens of other things. If you had spent even five minutes of time researching then you would know this. I hope you all fucking die.

>>689904014
Yeah and im sure they would pawn them off as "terrorist" groups.

>>689893975
>These all have only 2 factors in common. Guns, and the crazy person using them.

You forgot the most important factor connecting these events: left wing terrorism in the form of false flag attacks designed to scare people abused by the edomite system into giving edomite absolute power.

Guns aren't the problem. Disgusting subhuman edomites are the problem. Remove the edomites and the world goes back to being amazing. But until that point comes those edomites are going topush harder and harder to bring about their communism/globalism. And they will never stop because they're not people.

US is a third world country

>>689903972
No. Isis is fucking extreme and fucking up that religion for the actual peaceful people. Never once did I mention religion other than the fact the dude called the cops to tell them he wants to suck isis dick basically.
>aloha snack bar pledged Isis.

>>689904171
>doesn't know what a third world country is

gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8
Going to have to try harder though.

>>689903962
>learn2google

Sorry anon, but the burden of proof lies on you.

>>689902917
>yeah and? the next one is likely to just be white and probably christian, judging by the last 30 or so.

You said it here, so you provide the proof to back this claim up. Show me just 1 where a shooter walked in and claimed that it was in the name of Christianity or Jesus.

All I'm saying, is that if you're going to take that position and make that an argument, then please back it up.

>>689893039
you have been posting this shit all week kid. give it a rest. doesn't mean a thing.

>>689904171
That's why everyone's trying to get here..

>>689893645
Exactly the problem isn't a set of ideas from a book it is much more complicated than that.

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>>689904148
>false flag attacks
Stopped reading right there.