out

in

Out.

Never underestimate the power of stupid people, especially in large groups. These are the "in" people who are too scared of change.

Nothing will progress if nothing changes.

>>689582358
and leaving the eu changes the eu...?

out.

Out

>>689581983
Still not decided 100%. There are lots of pros and cons for both. I would like to vote out to see what actually changes. What puts me off is that this would give more power to Cameron to do what he wants. Which is pretty scary.

>>689582508

No nigga, it SHOULD loosen the hold that the EU has over the UK except lots of people are too scared of what different or are scared of change.

out, make Britain great again

Give us an argument for leaving that doesn't involve immigration.

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Unless you know it's safe, always pull out...

... And Europe isn't safe.

>>689582508
Other countries will follow suit. Plus without our weekly contribution of £2480000 they aren't going to be as well off. Fuck Merkel.

We need to so we can build a wall

>>689583045
so instead of trying to fix a problem, we'll just walk away from it. how very british of you.

>>689581983
In

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i honestly have no idea

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YFW you realise
>Germany is the economic centre of Europe
>It wants to maintain the EU
>Nazi Germany dreamed of creating a European national coalition of states under Nazi rule.
>Germany never really lost the war.
>The EU is the Nazi Germany plan fullfilled.
>The third reich never ended.
>And Merkel leads it.

>>689583303
Why should we try to fix a failed communist project we didn't sign up for?

>>689581983
>BRITAIN, BRITAIN, BRITAIN! OUT! OUT! OUT!
>BRITAIN, BRITAIN, BRITAIN! OUT! OUT! OUT!
>BRITAIN, BRITAIN, BRITAIN! OUT! OUT! OUT!

Either way the government fucks you,

>>689581983
out

don't want muslims coming into my country they are dangerous and rapists. If we don't leave I'm moving to USA with trump

>>689583303
>instead of bailing the water out of the titanic with a thimble, how dare you get in a lifeboat!

shake my head to be honest family

>>689583494
Lol

>>689583494
DON'T MENTION ZE VOR!

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>>689581983

In. Only people who want to live on the dole and do fuck-all wants out and thinks that will magically make it happen.

>>689583188
the fact that we are hampered in all trade and law making affairs by people we never elected in another country and have no say from our elected officials in our own country to retract these laws.

Eu is like the stockmarket. When Turkey wants in on the fun, its about fucking time to leave...

>>689583520
we clearly did sign up for it, and now you're using hyperbole.
>>689583252
doubt it. the safety net that they get (good example: greece) has been very useful for those countries. it's not just about us, you know. theres more than one person in this world.
>>689583758
so you're comparing those two things without making a logical argument? why do i expect anything else. we've done many other successful negotiations in the pass with others, why not do it again?

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>>689583801
he's right you know

>>689581983
Simply put, I do not believe in ever closer union. Not today. Not tomorrow. Not ever.

>>689583799
Boy are you wrong, I want out. I make my money out of people who have very little. Either way I can't lose.

>>689583600
this, dubs dont lie

>>689581983

out, the eu is a sinking ship

>>689583303

I'm a afraid this argument doesn't work in this situation. It's not a homeless person you're walking away from it is an unelected, corrupt dictatorship that has gone from a grand idea of european countries living in harmony to a money grubbing corruption ring getting more power by the day.

You're argument is like saying we should only vote for one party... if you vote for a different party YOU'RE JUST WALKING AWAY FROM IT HOW VERY BRITISH OF YOU.

destroyed.

>>689583939
We signed up for the EEC for reasons of trade, we didn't sign up to let hordes of niggers and arabs colonise everywhere they could. Fucking liberal student retard.

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>>689583799
Wasted dubs

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>You are being misled.

>>689581983
You don't need to stay in to have good trade deals, we are the second biggest economy in europe, we can negotiate that shit on our own, plus we need more skilled workers coming in, especially doctors for our crumbling NHS, out is the only way people.

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>>689581983
People who say out: We want british sovereignty and better trade and to control our own borders. This crisis has gone to far

People who say in: If you don't vote in you are a bigot and a racist

I don't like threats and shit arguments I'm out

>>689583600
>>689584377

These guys are right.

>>689584553
i told you, dubs dont lie

Migration is something humans have been doing for hundreds of thousands of years. To decide that we somehow have 'ownership' of land is incredibly naive and preposterous.

>>689584191
no, i didn't say vote for one party. just get our voice heard, like we almost always do. we've been on the winning side literally thousands of times.

>>689584206
they arent? it's still a mostly white population. i can see exactly where you're coming from, immigration is a big problem, but weve got more people coming from outside the eu than in, and weve even got a points based system on that, soo....

Europe is a falling plane anyway. If Britain jumps out before it hits the ground it falls to death, if it stays in it also falls to death

>>689584655
Then let a homeless person live in your house.

>>689583799
I work. I work with a lovely Romanian, who is here because of the EU. I used to work with a Spaniard, Germans, French, Italians. Notice a theme? All European. Because of the inherent European bias in our current system. We need to stop our "Little Europe" attitude and open up immigration to the world.
That being said. I love Europe. I don't want to marry her. No to union. And, I want control over immigration. Quality control, not quantity control.

But. Most importantly I want Democracy.

To all those who are in favor of open borders, and love to spew the racism word at those who want to control immigration, just remember it is your system that discriminates against non Europeans. Not ours,

>>689583939

Lol... so you mention the safety net for greece, yeah we're not saying greece will follow suit we're saying the countries that actually have an economy will - france, germany etc.

Why does the out have to defend itself anyway I don't get it.

Every person voting in says "TRY TO CONVINCE ME TO VOTE OUT BY NOT MENTIONING IMMIGRATION" like a fedora wearing tool.

Try convincing me to vote in by not mentioning a negative about the EU - pro tip - you can't

gotta get the fuck out before we become a federal state of the united states of europe

>>689583939
When we signed up to being in europe, they PROMISED us that it was only for trade purposes. We never wanted uncompetitive regulations imposed on our economy, we never wanted the european commission and we certainly never wanted free movement

>>689581983
out, bet placed.

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if you leave enjoy paying for your doctors appointments and operations...goodbye free healthcare and the NHS

if you live here you know our government is fucking shit and useless, the OUT campaign only makes it about immigrants and dont look at the bigger picture, and even if we do leave it wont fucking stop, they wont do anything about it, its too late

open your fucking eyes

>>689582358
without brit eu will collapse, germany can't handle all pressure
britain leaving doesn't mean britain will get better

>>689584995
>if you leave enjoy paying for your doctors appointments and operations...goodbye free healthcare and the NHS

We've had a free NHS since the 40's, before we joined the EU.

>>689584811
The majority of people in the UK don't understand the pros or cons. They just see immigration..this referendum is a sham because people don't understand crap.

LEAVE

Surely nobody on this bit of the internet is in? The EU is so totally and completely fucked up it's unreal. Every single major Eurozone bank is in massive trouble. Really bad things are about to happen regardless of which way the vote goes, but if we don't extricate ourselves from the EU as a matter of urgency, we are certain to go down with the ship

>>689583021
Yeah, nah, you're a cunt.
Cameron will have exactly 0% extra power because we're voting on leaving the EU, not voting to join the fucking Khmer rouge.

David Cameron wants me to stay in so I will be doing the opposite.

>>689584677
>its still a mostly white population
>still

This is the point hes making... the Influx of migrants has swollen profuseley in the last 30 years, they strain the NHS they Increase the need for taxation of the Native population.

And take over Entire communities making it unviable for people of another ethnic background to live their.

Im sorry but when our people are unable to even find homes for themselves because of a rotund and billowing stream of non natives there is a problem in policy and many of it lies DIRECTLY with the EU and Free Movement in Europe.

I'm Out mother fuckers

>>689585333
lol.

>>689584995
Staying in the EU hurts the NHS, health tourists drain the money out of it and occupy beds without contributing

Its about migration because migration is quite obviously fucking us over in a major way

The corporate fat cats need fresh migrants to lower the wages and keep the services they pay for services cheap. Once a migrant family has been in the UK for a few generations they generally experience some level of upward mobility and will no longer serve in the lowest paid jobs in the service industry, so fresh debt slaves need to be imported.

>>689581983
leave, because we shouldn't have to let a European court decide this is okay: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36526158

>>689584995
are you fucking retarded....the NHS isn't subsidised in any form by the EU it all comes from Income tax, like all other national services..

>>689585334
holy shit grow up

>Hate David David Cameron
>David Cameron, Tory, votes in
>Boris Johnson, Tory, votes out

I bet you think Bojo is top guy as well cause he sounds funny and got caught on a ziplineerw]wermy;rtyuuktr'u fuck off

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top kek at the cucks who actually think that we spend 53 million a day on EU and get nothing in return

>>689583801
"we are hampered in all trade and law making affairs by people we never elected"

It's called foreign trade. most of your economy depends upon it with the EU. Leave and anything you import from there will be more expensive + anything you export to there will be harder to sell... and aaaaall that simple fact implies is why you shouldn't leave. Or else, you can tell us the truth and say that you are leaving because immigration.

>>689585382
>>>689584677
>>its still a mostly white population
>>still
>This is the point hes making... the Influx of migrants has swollen profuseley in the last 30 years, they strain the NHS they Increase the need for taxation of the Native population.
>And take over Entire communities making it unviable for people of another ethnic background to live their.
>Im sorry but when our people are unable to even find homes for themselves because of a rotund and billowing stream of non natives there is a problem in policy and many of it lies DIRECTLY with the EU and Free Movement in Europe.

Here Here.

>>689581983
I was actually on the ropes until the amount of ridiculous claims I've heard from those voting yes and the reaction of the likes of France and Germany.

Voting out doesn't necessarily mean we're just going to halt immigration it means we can decide ourselves what we want to do.

But what really turned me to no was the way ministers from France and Germany are threatening to cut trade with us to spite us as well as France threatening to cease stopping immigrants illegally entering through the channel tunnel.

If that's how they act from us thinking about leaving their VIP club then they aren't friends at all and we're better off without them.

The EU is great in theory, but it needs to change. Nobody in this country would ever vote to enter it in it's current state.

Additionally, the apathy and indifference toward the refugees in the first place, along with the bullying of Greece was nicely off-putting for EU membership.

i'm tempted to vote in, purely because scotland will go independent if britain leaves, (scotfag here) and probably embrace reckless leftism. ideally i would want the UK out and for scotland to stay in the UK. but i couldn't do that to my english and welsh brothers and sisters, so I will vote out.

>>689585661
I'd take Boris over Cameron, at least Boris is conservative, Cameron is a lefty in disguise.

>>689585547
>>689585547
maybe you should have thought about that before you went socialist

>>689584677
Also you are coming across as a typical vote in person, who will think himself intelligent - so please put aside any emotional feeling of the EU - do the research, look at the EU controls what it gives us what it prohibits, what it costs (realistically) what shit countries at the other side of the world joining does to us, what say we have in it, how the leaders have behaved, how they got elected, how much we have a say in anything that happens, whether you want the euro and most importantly if you think you would like just a little bit of democracy left in the running of this country.

I'm not raging, hating or anything, just please look at the problem more and you will see there's only one (sadly hard) way to vote.

>>689584471
You want to trade with the EU you'll have to accept the free movement of people. Immigration argument is invalid.

>>689583021
Vote out then, Cameron wants to stay in, he'll be damaged if the vote is out. Of course then we get Boris which may not be your cup of tea either.

>>689585742
90% of scotland will die if they go independant

>>689585140
we dont have the economy to keep free health if it goes this way like we used to...as i stated already, open your eyes

>>689581983
In. Only people that don't understand basic economics want out.

>>689585698
Its not about the money, its about them ruling over us with no oversight and no accountability.
The economic benefits are a helpful plus to sway over people who choke on the red pill of multiculturalism

>>689585698
it is indeed foreign trade, but its non negotiable to many extents.

This is the problem.

>>689585742
Thank you Scottish Brother! London wanker here.

>>689585954
this

In

>>689585954
american here, explain please? i am trying to figure out what is going on over there

>>689585885
it was a great idea at the time and i voted yes. now i am happy that we didn't go independent - the reckless left is somewhat restrained by westminster and yes it would have been an economic disaster.

>>689583188
Greater financial freedom to broker our own trade agreements without Johnny foreigner sticking his grubby fingers in the pie.
No more crippling financial assistance to failing EU states like Portugal,Greece, Spain, ROI, etc.
Employersnwill have the right to employ who they want, not just who they can get.
Almost all the advantages are financial. The immigration thing is just poked about to stir thickens into voting out because they don't understand the real picture.

>>689584471
>"control our own borders"
>The UK is not a Schengen country.

Fucking kill yourself.

>>689585834
next you will say they won't trade with us if we leave are you retarded muslim and niggers are a massive problem go to hell you liberal cuck

>>689584811
we're one of the few countries to hold this referendum twice - oh wait a sec, i think we're the only one. no other country is going to follow suit too soon.

i havent said the whole immigration thing before. hell ive never even seen that stupid argument.

you've still got the safety net, you can freely move, the chance to arrest criminals overseas within europe easily, access to a massive treasury, funding to business, education, and a lot of science work, strong relations with other countries which are good in preventing war or other conflicts, the the very normal laws the the eu passes that arent exactly radical, stuff like that. those are good.

>>689584936
never seen them say that they promised but whatever, it's not the first time false facts are in the debate from both sides.

>>689585382
more people that we give birth to strain the nhs. muslims cant have alcohol and have a drunk night where they end up in a hospital bed the next day.

i don't know what it's like for you, but ive seriously not seen much multicultralism anywhere other than london. theres a lot more than london in the world.

no, theres a real rise in housing prices right now. like thats visible.

>>689585807
yeah, ive seen it. i don't think the eu is ideal but the worst way to solve a problem is to not solve it. why not be brothers in arms instead of selfish twats for once. and eu payments take up a realitively small amount of the budget, whilst jobs connected to the eu dont. ive seen both sides, and theyre both shit options, and were getting fucked whatever happens, but lets give it a shot and try to make this work.

>>689586106
Parents are going through a rough patch and some people think they may get divorced. We're just deciding who gets the house and who gets the dog.

>>689581983
It doesnt matter what you vote for, it has already been decided that britain will remain IN

just like how britain was in the E.U in the first place, mysteriously all the votes from the first in or stay out have disapeared,

ask alot of old people, you wont find one that voted to go into europe in the first place...

shake it all about

>>689585887
We can trade with the rest of the world you spakka.

>>689584190

>> SINKING SHIP

"Although growth is projected to be slow, the EU remains the largest economy in the world with a GDP per head of €25 000 for its 500 million consumers. The EU is the world's largest trading block. The EU is the world's largest trader of manufactured goods and services. The EU is the top trading partner for 80 countries."

Congratulations on buying the "out" campaign's BS.

>>689581983
all of your british people are complete garbage.

>>689585834
but thats not true, Take norway or iceland as Prime examples.

Iceland is a member of the European Free Trade Association (EFTA), a grouping of four non-EU European countries, and is also part of the European Economic Area (EEA).

>>689585635
and who do you think most of our doctors are? from other countries...

>>689586166
yeah because eu isn't taking in loads of fucking niggers and muslims you cunt are you retarded

>>689586225
dad gets the house. you keep the dog. mum gets the milkman.

>>689586277
What a ridiculous comment. Idiot. Yes..it's all one big conspiracy.

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>>689581983
forever out! i truly believe is what's best for britain! if your voting in you're not fucking british!

In

>>689581983
Out, but I'm not too fussed either way - not enough to bother voting anyway.
I'll stick a few hundred £ on us staying in, that will soften a 'remain' verdict for me nicely. If we vote out and I lose it, who cares, we're out.

>>689586338
we are. we dont have a decent voting system, we hold stupid referendums, oor prime minister has a go at us for anal sex when he wants to get it on with a pig...it's awful.

>>689586476
truth

In, the reason Boris wants to leave is because he's a pro business posh boy who wants to enable his rich business friends to pressure the govt. to relax workers rights if we leave. So many retards seem to think it will bring the empire back if we leave

>>689585968
What the ... I mean...

Jesus.

>>689585807
Lastly I would like to add.

If you wouldn't vote to join now, vote to fucking leave.

(Pro life tip - if you want to get into management and higher paid jobs all you have to do is be able to make decisions - start with this one, leaving the EU, not listening to that totally misplaced morality compass inside of you)

>>689585279

can i get SAUCE with that

>>689581983
I'm American but I'm assuming that the UK doesn't have voter ID laws. So I'll fly over to vote out.

In
Out
In
Out
you shake it all about

>>689586198
Of course they will. There will be a trade deal both the UK and the EU will need it. But you'll have to follow their rules it's as simple as that. Saying the UK will get special treatment is just dreaming and it won't happen.

>>689586446
Who's the milkman in this scenario?

>>689586204
5 june 1975, when we voted to stay in, it was literally called "the common market" not "the european union"

None of that stuff that we are unhappy about was even on the table for that vote. They bait-and-switched us in the 90s

>>689586106
Voting out will force us to re-negotiate all our current trade deals with EU firms - which make up 54% of our trade - at a rate less favourable than it is now. Not to mention the uncertainty that is already affecting the exchange rate which reduces the value of our currency. I'm predicting the sterling will hit it's lowest point for the last 30 years if we leave. As well as this, the amount of trade tariff/levies we receive as part of the EU will be removed meaning we'll be much worse off in the short-run economically.

>>689585954
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

As a manager at a wealth management company - I can speak for the choir when most of us in financial services want OUT and for good reason. Read some more economics bro.

>>689586415
I think the leave campaign would argue that they'd let doctors, nurses, care workers etc stay - I get your point but you'd be best off with a different example.

>>689586785
Preach it brother

>>689586653
we had another chance to pull out in the 80's before this one and we didn't, so i guess we don't actually care and maybe this is some sort of improvement for some people?

>>689586338
your english is fucking garbage

>>689586634
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_European_Parliament

>>689586597
Of course we do. You'll be prosecuted for electoral fraud if you try.

>>689586785
Most of the people in finance caused the 2008 crash. You being in finance really means jack shit

>>689586614
except we don't only have to trade with the eu??? USA and Asia are happy to trade with us EU needs us more than we need them

>>689586291
>"We can trade with the rest of the world you spakka."

And compete with china, the us, and Germany itself over the same spectrum?

kek, i'm not british but if your country is going to be ruled by people like you, then you are all doomed.

>>689585061
They need to wise up and become states within a federal district instead of the simi-autonomous bullshit they have now. The have nots in power will always use the EU to punish the more successful members.

>>689586614
And they'll have to follow our rules when they want something (£££) from us in the not too distant future.

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>>689585694
>>689582354
>>689583188

>>689586785
Well, yeah it makes sense for you individually. We're talking about the whole country and your firm is a pretty small sample size to make decisions based on

>>689581983
Northern Ireland will fucking die outside of the EU. Everyone forgets about us and all the border shit will be a nightmare which no one considers.

>>689586300
The problem with those figures is the GDP isn't balanced out between the member States. Basically it's a business partnership between (16) or so partners where 5 partners do all the work and the other 9 take an equal share of the wealth whilst contributing nothing but extra workload and running costs.
Out all the way, or spend an eternity watching Pedro and guido take an all day siesta whilst the factory burns down.

>>689587067
No valid response so posts idiotic crap. Typical BorisJohnson Fanboy.

>>689586804
>i think

why you voting if you dont know?

in. because i'm not an edgy 12yo.

>>689586949
Lol no they don't. The EU is a much bigger market. The US already told us we'll be at the back of the queue.

Why trade with 60m people over 300m? Especially when those 60m are all suddenly poorer.

>>689584206
Yeah you have a shit ton of hindu niggers that are taking over GB and you dont have a problem with them, only with other niggers?

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>>689587299
Hindus are sound. You can have a beer with them and they don't cause any trouble.

>>689587300
Oh my bad. UKIP fanboy.

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>>689587096
If anyone is actually interested in an analysis by a professional here are the possible out scenarios

>>689586981
Sure. But they can make it more difficult for us than we can for them. Simple economics. There's more of them and they'll be economically stronger.

>>689586204
>good in preventing
You wot mate? Way to attack Isis and stop Putin from reforming the USSR.

>>689586924

This.

>>689587298
Obama said we'd be at the back of the queue. Trump has said the opposite and guess who will be making that decision?

>>689587298
yeah they fucking do you yard the trade barriers put on us by the EU prevents the trade they want to do with us are you retarded

>>689586009
market laws are never negotiable. Fucking up your entire economy just because some idiot told you that it's for the sake of saving the country for multiculturalism (see this clown here: >>689585968) is pure stupidity.

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>>689587414
>appeals to emotion intensifies

>>689586981
I'm a leaver, but the stayers have a good arguement in saying we'd have to follow EU rules to trade - saying they'll have to thusly follow ours doesn't really work.
There's no real countering it, on this particular point they are right, leaving then trading will make us compromise a bit and get slightly shafted in the meantime.

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>>689581983
Out.

We need to become closer to the non-shit tier commonwealth countries, like Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Free trade, free movement, and military alliances with those guys wouldn't be too shit. Maybe even an economic union if things go really well.

>>689587512
Clinton. Back of the queue you soon to be irrelevant little cucks.

>>689587157

Based on your argument, you should also get rid of Cornwall and most of Wales.

>>689587101
Now I'm voting leave for sure, Northern Island accents offend my delicate ears, let them burn.

>>689586614
Don't forget chummy, we're the second or third biggest economy in the EU. We leave, our business comes with us.
Do you really think companies like BMW will ignore us,their second biggest customer, just cos there's one less star on the flag??

>>689587735
Hillary will be in jail by then.

>>689587493
isis themselves rarely attacks, it's something that people like to overhype. as for putin...he won't do that.

>>689581983
The other thing that must be considered is that if we leave, this country and its policies will be wholly governed by the current government. Do we really trust the government to put this money "saved by leaving the EU" into the NHS that they have been slowly selling off?Do we really want Theresa May writing the "British Bill of Rights"?

Which automatically invalids your entire point.

>>689587813
You realise we're the third biggest economy in the EU simply BECAUSE we're in the EU right?