>>689545443
I could, simply by saying that I don't care if some people die, I just want access to guns.

Voila, refuted.

The place of the shooting was a gun free zone, obviously limiting gun laws won't change a thing.

>>689545443

We need immigration reform.

Guns aren't the problem. Minorities are.

Even the white shooters are the fault of minorities. The entire country is all for non-white males, and all against white males. Their rampages are reactions to your actions.

America doesn't have a gun problem. It has a liberal problem.

>>689545892
Yep

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>>689545862

wew

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>>689545602
reported for hate speach you sickening cunt

Maybe you would be ok with him running for President then since he was being investigated by the FBI

>>689545443

Correct, ban Muslims from buying guns.

/thread

>>689545443
And where are all the civil that carry guns? Why they didn't stop him?
Oh right, Murilard people os dumb as fuck. Gays deserved that killing spree, especially muricans
Sage btw. I am voting Trump bc the real problem is those fucking illegals.

>>689545443

Well anon that is because the FBI and other governmental agencies have their hands tied by all the liberals.

Imagine if they had arrested him prior to the shooting.

No amount of evidence they put out would quell the rage of the SJWs for what they would call "discrimination and profiling".

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>>689545443
>"military-grade"
no one in the military uses a semi automatic rifle

>"assault rifle"
i dont get this term, are there friendship rifles?

i realize im not winning any argument and that a lot of people say these are semantics but you can kill another human being with literally almost anything. you could kill 50 people with a potato gun built from plastic shit from a hardware store, you could make a pipe bomb and blow up more than 50 people. what will an "assault weapons" ban stop. what did it stop in the 90s? who will it prevent from getting a weapon? only someone who gives a shit about being a legal owner....

>>689546437
The only people that can commit crimes in America are white males. Didn't you get the latest SJW memo.

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>>689545892
>minorities are
dude in germany the minorities are no minorities everywhere i go are turks and arabs
gunlaws, only permitted people can have guns.
>mfw no fucking twat shoots up our schools and gaybars

>>689545862
with better gun laws he wouldn't even be able to buy a gun to violate more gun restrictions (carrying a gun in a gun free zone)

This burn's me up voluntarily submitted myself to a psych ward once at a young age for a alcohol addiction but yet I can't own a firearm I live in pa how's thi's happen

>>689546573
Maybe they should ban bombs then since in France sand niggers used them to blow people up.

He was a fucking hero. Case dismissed.

>>689546021
hand guns 6371 of 12000

the mans was a security guard before he was deemed mentally unstable so he had the gun from before that

civilian gun laws have no power over this mans gun or access to a gun

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>>689546852

>>689546550

Give it time sweetheart. The minority problem is inherent, guaranteed. Their nice and quiet when their proportions are small.

Last time I looked, not even 10% of Germany was non-white, non-German.

You'll see. Soon.

>>689545443
And now we all know why that attack happend lol

America is stupid again...

>>689546073
Top kek. I laugh every time I see this

>>689545443
>military grade

top kek

>>689545443
Banning murder didn't stop murder.
Banning murder with guns didn't stop gun murders.
What makes you think he won't break the law to get a gun, like the UK, Mexico, etc.?

>>689545443
He was asked questions.

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>>689546788
Maybe they should just ban murder! Duh!!!!!

>>689545443
Gun restrictions totally worked in preventing dune coons from shooting up france multiple times right?

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>>689546852
How does it feel to be so unbelievably stupider than everyone else ITT?

The Gun laws are fine the problem is the gun show loophole if they closed that most of the problem will be fixed. I have no clue why you can get a gun at a gun show and avoid all the safety checks but it is retarded.

>>689545602
/thread

>>689545862
Except he wouldnt have been able to purchase the guns legaly if we had tighter laws

Vote for Trump. Ban more Muslims. They are responsible for over 50% of mass murder deaths since 2001 in the US. Used planes, pressure cooker bombs, knives, box cutters, cars and guns to commit the crimes. It not the tool, it's the radical religion. Look at France today; 2 police officers knifed by a Muslim. Oh, and I hear London's Muslim mayor wants to ban sexy advertising. Get ready for head scarves next. Bunch of fucking idiots on 4chan. I hope most of you are just trolls.

>>689547069
it was like this all my life, non germans everywhere, still just one time in my life i saw and held a real weapon.
it wont change because we have politicians with at least 5 % brain in their heads.
could u please tell me from where u are?

This is supposed to be a fucking random board. There is nothing random here. Go back to /pol/

>>689545443
my second amendment rights triumph your feelings you fucking cuck

>>689545443
the fbi only works on movies, and you think reality is like movies.

>>689547344
I don't know. Tell us.

>>689547344
American=Racist

its your culture to be racist fgt

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>>689545443
OP tried to put post where it belonged, but pic related

>>689547368
its not a loophole you retard

its called a private sale

the government can't tell me who I can sell my private property to

>>689546550

stfu.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046

>>689545443
MODS MODS MODS

>>689547187
Your an idiot in order to get a gun your going to have to make underground connection have and have the near complete trust of a criminal since no one is going to risk a snich on the illegal sale of fire arms it is not a easy thing to do for anyone none the less a crazy guy trying to shoot up a nightclub

>>689545443
It wasn't a fucking assault rifle.
They don't know anything about guns, how they work, or their limitations so They have no fucking room to talk
Wow, It was that easy

>>689545443
>all evidence points to him being encouraged to commit this crime
>ignore it
>guns are the problem

Wake up, sheep. The wolves are getting hungry.

>>689547722
this has nothing to do with gunlaw i know situation gone worse but still no cucks schooting around

>>689547465
Berlin is like Babylon man...

>>689545443

>fbi failed
>gun background check failed

obviously we need law-abiding citizens to give up their guns, because it's obviously law-abiding citizens who randomly claim allegiance to ISIS and decide to shoot up gay clubs. you know, because they obey the law and all.

>>689547882
the problem is that people like this have access to guns

Shit didn't stop Breivik.
All those laws do is make self-defense impossible. It's not a coincidence even conservatives wanted gun control when the Black Panthers were around and using guns for self-defense against the shit they faced.

>>689547368
It is a loophole since gun sales are supposed to be restricted with criminal and metal health checks to avoid....well case and point this from happening and you should be allowed to sell your gun to anyone who meets those simple checks.

>>689545443
yes, he filled out a federal form 4473 and lied.

>>689547509
Reform is not the same as banning, you ignorant piece of shit.

>>689545443

which laws exactly did this guy obey?

CLEARLY LAWS DO NOT STOP MURDEROUS, HATEFUL THUGS. ONLY BULLETS DO YOU IGNORANT FOOL.

"We need guns to protect ourselves"
tell that to the 103 people that got shot

Hi, this isn't facebook. Go fuck yourself.

>>689547344
>>689547686
You didn't answer his question, though. How does it feel?

>>689547669
kek

>>689547449

He would have obtained one illegally then, which is almost as easy, and circumvents the law.

The law only stops people willing to obey it, it will not stop someone who has preplanned a mass murder.

>>689547069
>their nice and quite when their proportions are small
>their when their
>THEIR

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>>689545443
Gun laws are fine. We just need to ban all muslims from entering the country

>>689547465

Ever notice how virtually every mass shooting in the US, for as long as can be recalled.. was a liberal?

>>689545443
The fuck I can't. I can beat it with 1 goddamn sentence op.
>we been giving nigga guns 4 200 years.
It's too late. How the fuck u gonna abduct 50 guns from each redneck. Me and everyone I know got guns berried even. Mines in 2 fucking junkyards. Good luck metal detecting my shit nigga.

>>689547866

"I will argue the semantics of what constitutes an assault rifle to ignore the reality that semi automatic weapons are too easy to obtain."

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>>689548093
does this trigger you you little faggot?

>>689545602
It would be nice if people actually admitted to that, rather than making bullshit arguments

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>>689545892
white people like to blame the minorities for ruining a country they've been running the entire time.
>mfw

>>689548168

I chuckle lightly when someone is this anal.

Their is a problem with you, anon.

>>689546473
Agree
The dumbass demliblefties just spew shat they've heard.
They can't differentiate types of weapons, but proclaim their wisdom of MORE laws is an answer.
Hello demliblefties, criminals or terrorists will not abide to any of your new laws either.

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>>689546021
>posting an image that proves firearms are the biggest killer to disprove firearms are the biggest killer

I see what you did there, anon.

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>>689548361
>their

>>689545443

Yeah, we can. An AR15 isn't an assault rifle. It's an "assault weapon", which is a meaningless term invented by the anti-gun lobby to purposefully confuse the issue. It's no different from, say, a Ruger Mini 14 except that it has a black plastic body and a pistol grip.

It's idiots like you, who have no idea what they're talking about, that will rob the rest of us of our rights.

>>689547069
Well, if there's a lot of them it's not really minorities anymore

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>>689548227
YOU'RE BOTH WRONG

This isn't all muslims, but it is a very specific sub-set of them. Sunni Wahhabist muslims are responsible for literally every one of these attacks. They are the problem and that's what we should be focusing on.

>>689545443
yeah but he also bought it illegally
no matter how many gun restrictions we have in place, I could buy a gun and then go sell it to someone who is crazy

>>689548357

for you

>>689548249

>>689547866
"I will disguise an incredibly complicated action as a pedantic platitude to sound superior on the internet."

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>>689546908
Which isnt what they want to ban. They want to ban big scary salt rifles.

>>689547735

Considering that the shooter in question has been investigated for terrorist connections before, it's not at all hard to imagine that he had a connection willing to get him a gun.

If the fucking gangs can get ahold of ak-47s, this guy can get ahold of whatever it was he used.

>>689545443
orlando shooting was a false flag
http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=40184
prove me wrong
protip: you cant
>inb4 tinfoil hat

>>689548002
Fucking genius, man. Now what?

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>>689548285
Are you an operator or an advisor?

>>689548502
Your an idiot in order to get a gun your going to have to make underground connection have and have the near complete trust of a criminal since no one is going to risk a snich on the illegal sale of fire arms it is not a easy thing to do for anyone none the less a crazy guy trying to shoot up a nightclub

Domestic abuse equals no pass NICS. Somebody isn't telling the truth. Imagine that

>>689548285
Hell no. I love guns and own several. You're an idiot if you think we don't need to reform the laws around firearms though.

>>689548655
how about laws that involve a psychologic test and shooting training and shit like that

Guns aren't 100% banned in the EU either, are they? You just have to go through a more complex screening process and the permits are super hard to get (or so it's been explained to me).

>they still have access to guns
>and they STILL dont have thousands of people die from gun related incidents every year

>>689545443
It was a semi auto civillian rifle. Just cuz it was black and not wood means its dangerous?

Look at the common denominator of over 50% of the mass murders in the US this century. All committed by Muslims.

>>689546573
Ya don't get it???
Killers, criminals, terrorists are not gonna oblige and start following any of your dream additional laws.
Gun-free zone laws was one of your mentality liberal ideas that would fix everything.

>>689548759
exactly

-not military grade
-not high capacity magazine
-he was a security worker whose job involved working with guns
I'm anti gun, but until there is a viable scheme proposed for the US I'm against libfags wanting us to hold hands and sing songs

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>>689548644
WW2 was a false flag.
Prove me wrong.
Protip: you can't.

>>689548503
yeah i read from super biased conservative news outlets too. such a great time.
http://patriotupdate.com/mass-murderers-democrats/

>>689548635
My point is that it is not an easy thing to do for a lone gunman to do. Though i do agree a large body of people will have more luck

I do not agree with nor do I comply with gun free zones. It has been proven time after time that they do not work. The only thing gun free zones do is keep law abiding citizens from defending themselves in these areas. Better to be judied by twelve than carried by six.

>>689548676
I boner now

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>implying the many should be punished for the few
>implying an AR15 is a military grade assault rifle

Calling it that is like calling a handheld screwdriver a power drill.

Were talking 60 rounds a minute if you're an expert, vs almost a 1000 rounds a minute for the actual ASSULT rifle, which is fully auto, not semi.

All guns are dangerous. But they are safe in well educated hands. This moron's actions only make me appreciate the education and training I went through to have a license to carry my own defense like a fucking american. So fuck the fuck off you Hillary supporting cuck sucking faggot.

>>689545443
Pretty sure it wasn't an assault rifle...

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He purchased a commodity just like anything else. Ergo, irrelevant. What he did with such an item is relevant and, in fact, the only defining characteristic of this crime.it seems like Anti- gunners just sit at home and seethe until they get the most paltry modicum of courage and then proceed to post something that isnt very well composed on the internet.

Without fail.

>>689548284
see>>689548507

>>689548771
The libs are quite ignorant of this topic that they preach!!

>>689548474

Technically 49% or less. But technicalities don't matter. Women, for instance, make up 51% of any given population on average.. and they're always considered minorities. Even in specific contexts. Colleges, for example, have quiet a bit more women than men.. even colleges where women are 80% of the student body "women are minorities" who need their safe spaces.

Germany's minority problem will rear its ugly head when the minority population approaches 20%. By then, you're fucked.

80/20 rule, zipf, etc. History shows this to be true, every. single. fucking. time.

There has never been an exception.. and yet, folks like you liberalize the shit out of reality, deny its existence, and insist things aren't that way.

>>689548942
>Not an argument

>>689548758
You can get them without any checks at all at gun shows so it would not work unless you close that off first.

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I KNEW you faggots at /b/ would be butthurt about this shooting

This image board is full of gays and the reason on why this has been so quiet last days is because many of the members died last weekends.

I am sure OP had some friends fags killed.

OP is a faggot

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>>689545443
stop wasting breath on gun grabbers .
this debate is nothing but a distraction to yet another muslim attack that our politicians let happen.

>>689549097
>Not a refutation

>>689546437
/thread prety much

>>689546917
This
Nobody is talking about the fact that this man got his gun THROUGH HIS WORK

>>689545443
sounds like the FBI had a responsibilty to do something and not just blame gun laws
>FBI could have just marked him as a terrorist and so he would never pass a background check
FBI failed here
>I mean whats the fucking point of spying on all of america if they cant even stop a known raghead

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>>689549006
>well educated
>in a country full of people screaming for educational reform
>my sides

>>689545443
>1. This is bait
>2. He EASILY bought what literally anyone that is 18 or over can buy
>3. Kill yourself for repeating the same overused media buzzwords that are only there to garner s knee-jerk reaction

>>689549204
I gave you 12 arguments
You have nothing

>>689549147
I was going to be pissed but this is /b/ and I shouldn't be wasting my day off on this shithole. You're a stupid asshole.

>>689546021
That's it! All we have to do is ban hands! After all, they're clearly more dangerous than guns, considering you have to use your hands to operate a gun (although i guess u could use ur toes and stuff...).

>>689546473
G3, M14, most modern rifles fire semi auto as well.

>>689548966

It doesn't matter if it's easy or not, when people do this sort of shit, the difficulty doesn't factor into it.

They usually plan it to be the last thing they're going to do ever, the Magnum Opus of their shitty little lives, they WILL get it done once they set out to do it. Gun laws only slow them down, but they have literally nothing BUT time until they finally commit their atrocity, by which point it's obviously too late to stop them.

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>>689548285
I'm kind of mad at the quality of the gear, but I'll get over it

>>689549029
>on the internet.
And you're trying arguing with them
ON THE INTERNET.

>>689549029
Agree
Libs follow what they hear too much. Should stop and learn a bit more about what they claim to know.

>>689546917
His gun was bought a week before the shooting. He wasn't diagnosed unstable, he was just described as such

>>689548755
>felons can't own guns
>the mentally ill or drug addicted can't buy guns
>domestic abusers can't own guns
>it is illegal to sell guns to a felon in a private sale

The current laws are already good enough. For Christ's sake the guy was a licensed security guard and had worked for the Florida Department of Corrections. Even in a country like Australia he could have owned an AR-15. People committing terrorist attacks or mass killings is just an inevitability even in countries with draconian gun laws (see: France, Norway). With 300 million legally owned guns, the cat is already out of the bag here in the US. If anything encouraging responsible firearm use and making it easier for people to legally carry them is the solution.

>>689548676
oper8 m8

>>689547187
Illegal guns in the UK are very rare compared to US

>>689549006
An "assault rifle" is variable fire rifle. (I.e. burst or full-auto options)

>>689548469

"AR15" = Assault Rifle #15. Literally in its name that it's an assault rifle.

Fucking retard

>>689549246
tryhard faggot

He purchased a commodity that in a normal store takes a criminal record check and a mental health check to get.

>>689549029

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>>689545443
>don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain, instead look over here "oooh look a squirrel"

>implying that this is a gun issue, and not an Islamic terror issue

1/10 for making me reply.

>>689549646
Armalite Rifle model 15 you fuckwit

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>>689549422
>not liking slavshit
cyka blyat

>>689547735
Bullshit

>>689545443
Guess we better ban pressure cookers and nails as well since they can be easily bought in any department store.

>>689548855
I am not supporting stricter gun laws because of terrorists, I am supporting them because of stupid neckbeard students who get bullied and shoot up their school. A simple student doesn't has access to international gun smugglers, but they have access to guns of their parents, uncles and aunts, neighboors etc.

>>689549159
I don't know about these statistics and I might be wrong, but violent crimes does not equal killing someone, I think just simple assault as in beating someone or domestic abuse qualifies as a violent crime. So while there may be more violent crimes in the UK, I think more people die as a result of violent crimes/gun violence in the US. Pleas feel free to insult and/or correct me if I'm wrong.

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>>689549615
>encouraging more gun use

thats exactly how to fix a gun problem. throw more guns at it.

>>689549615
felons buying a gun would not just tell the seller you twit and since private sellers do not have to do any checks that is an easy thing to do.

>>689548158
Yeah but it makes it more difficult, which might deter some people who are on the line about it.
Also there's no way it's just as easy to get a gun illegally, plus people will hastily stop selling guns illegally if they're the one supplying weapons to mass murderers and getting 1000% buttfucked by the law.

>>689548644

Do you realize how many people would have to be in on that scheme to make something like that work?

You retards actually think the government could pull something off of this magnitude without a single person blowing a whistle or leaking any evidence?

Do you honestly think everyone in the government/law enforcement/emergency services/military/etc is a drone?

Holy shit you're a fucking retard if you believe that man and I don't say things like that lightly.

>source: I was in a Radio Battalion in the Marines. Since you're so enlightened I'm sure you know what that is.

>>689549685
this

>>689545443
You lib fages cry for background checks, he passed a background check. He shouldn't have passed one seeing abs he was investigated for terrorist activety. You libs cry this POS doesn't represent all mudslimes but you're quick to say hew represents absctivetyll gun owers. If you side with them you're one of them.

>>689549646
That's so wrong, that it actually gave me momentary physical discomfort to read it

>>689549685
yeah but that's kind of flimsy isn't it?
>its all the gun shows fault

>>689545892
Kek, average american.

Ive said it once and ill say it a thousand times, the 2nd amendment isnt about personal security, its about the gauranteed right every american to take workplace revenge cause they get 2 roasted and cant deal.

>>689549862
there hasn't been a world war since the advent of nuclear weapons

>>689549864
And that's why you ask them to show their conceal carry license. If they present you with a fake one then it isn't your fault and they just committed another felony.

>>689546021
Hands, hammers, knives, they all have a purpose other than killing things.
guns have only one function

>>689545443
>implying degenerate fags didn't deserve it

>>689549685
Which he passed. What's your point?

>>689545443
its been proven he bought it through a dealer.
why do you shitpost?

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>>689549159
What the fuck is this retarded shit?
Where's the source? Also violent crimes is anything from assault to murder, I'd rather be assaulted by fists than a gun lol.

>>689550003
this

>>689548695
>your an idiot
>your

>>689549749
Just because the guy "allegedly" (no proof of this yet) called 911 and said that he was doing it in the name of ISIS, doesn't make it true.

Conservative media however wanted so badly for this to be true, that they ran with the story.

More recent developments have dis-proven this lie. The fact that Omar himself was gay, and was full of self-hatred due to the homophobic propaganda spread by the right.

kys

You know what would be funny if the anti gun people would start shooting up NRA meeting just wait in the back and kill them. Them watching the NRA trying to defend guns and all the familys of the members having no idea what to do since they are insulting the ideals of the gun nuts or making light of there deaths no matter what they do.

man i have a fucked up sense of humor.

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I heard that Mateen was a doomsday prepper, and he was a tea party conservative

>>689550142
>try to shoot up NRA meeting
>get shot

>>689550094
and whats the point?

>>689549646

AR-15 is the civilian designation for the M-16 rifle.

The AR in this weapon's name does not stand for "assault rifle", it stands for ArmaLite Rifle, since ArmaLite is the company that designed the weapon, then trademarked it before selling the rights to Colt.

It took exactly ONE google search to learn all of that.

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>>689549880
>leaking evidence
We thought the Patriot Act was supposed to protect our civil liberties.
>Snowden proved it was for surveillance purposes

Based off our current political climate, you're a fucking moron to think that they don't pull off shit like this. Benghazi, Iraqi WMDs, the list of lies goes on and on. And now Sanders is winning, because hes saying the lies need to stop. And the liars don't want to, for this or for that.

>tfw as an American i cannot trust the leaders of my country
>or the media that tells me what they're up to

Yes I still don't think we need gun reform. What we need is national concealed carry without a permit and no more than 5 year retention on 4473 forms.

>>689548635
He was interviewed twice for comments he made, and wasn't on a watch list. He bought an AR-15 legally

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>>689550003
Yep, target shooting.
Wait, huh?

do the pro-gun people in this thread like the Black Panthers?

>>689549646
Close, ArmaLite Rifle is actually what the AR means.

>>689550224
One looks meaner so it's an "assault rifle" in the eyes of imbeciles.

>>689545443
he must've been pretty good with the weapon if he got past two guards, took out 50 people, and held out against the cops.
A complete shit head, of course. Glad he's dead.
But he must've been pretty good at speed reloading as well.

>>689549991
And we're involved in the middle east BECAUSE they're threatening the rest of us WITH nuclear weapons.

>>689550142
Not really. Would have to be funny to qualify.

>>689550142
Imagine everyone starts to shoot, more collateral deaths.

>>689545443
Why isn't anyone pointing out what a crap job did FBI do?
In my opinion USA don't have gun problem, you have problem with your institutions not doing their job.

Repeal the 2nd Amendment and ban all the metal penile replacements.

It's not my fault your dicks are too small

>>689550407
That's a blatant lie.

>>689550364
Bingo.

>>689550290
Target shooting is just practice to be more effective at killings things you dense mongoloid

If most gays werent democrats they would be armed. The filth should have been locked up/kicked out of US a long time ago for showing sympathy to terrorist organisations.

Military grade? Nah. Fully Automatic firearms are quite hard to obtain. The ar was not fully automatic therefore it's not really military grade. It's the persons fault, and the laws. Not the guns, or the millions who own them too.

Why in the fuck are we making this about gun control instead of focusing on it as a terrorist attack. Why aren't we focusing on how ISIL successfully radicalized a natural born American citizen. And what can be done to stop ISIL.

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>>689549797
Whore bitch
Please have some pic related

>>689545443
It's his constitutional right to bear arms.

>>689545892
>even the white shooters are the fault of minorities

Wut?

>>689550396
Rumors are floating around on social media that it was 3 shooters. The media has not mentioned this, so as to not cause panic, that there could be 2 more at large.

>>689545443
american shoots american blah blah blah shootout blah blah muh guns! blah blah how original...

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>>689550211

Good you pointed that out. We'll ban both!

>>689550328
if they would have banned them because of their looks, both would be the same
also if this is true it is a point wich proves that new gun laws are necessary

>>689549229
You can't ban somebody on a terror watch list from buying a gun

>>689545892
This post was so stupid I automatically read it in bill orielys voice

>>689550548
it was also a "Constitutional right" to own slaves
sometimes shit has to change

>>689550480
Except it's not? You have to have been living under a rock for the past 50 years...

>>689550515
do you really want a Gay Militia showing up in the U.S.?

>>689550592
this

>>689550135
>HURR: muh Islamic terror

>>689550135
This. We should all hold our breath on the muslim hate until the facts are proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

this national tragedy is happening right before an election, and it goes directly to the heart of one of the candidates entire campaign. a candidate that has come out since, saying "ha ha ha i told you so" on twitter.

the phone call story came about a few HOURS after the incident occurred, and it exploded without anyone watching Obamas statement flatly state, "we cannot confirm ANY ties to ISIS".

On the alleged phone call, the guy supports the FL bomber that was killed supporting Al-Nusra (aka a sworn ENEMY of ISIS).

>>689550468
yep

>>689549646
Top kek

Shows how very little you know about anything. AR stands for Armalite rifle. Meaning it is a lightweight semi auto sporting rifle. Fuck off

>>689549874

Anyone who is actually seriously thinking about committing mass murder ISN'T on the line about it. They WILL do it if they get half a chance, which isn't hard in a country with so many guns.

Also, the people supplying weapons to criminals give exactly zero fucks what the people they sell to do with them. If they did, they wouldn't be illegal firearms dealers. They also are ALREADY being buttfucked by the law, if and when the law can catch them.

It's a business that has countermeasures for government interference, just like drugs. Drugs are straight up illegal, and they're just a bigger problem as a result.

>>689550243
(cont)

can't even trust the guy telling me not to trust them.

>>689550676
Oh god yes. That would be entertaining

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He done it because he loved the dong and couldn't get it from his wife. The rifle represented his penis, the bullets - his semen - which he covered other guys in. He died wishing to create his own ultimate orgasm.

>>689545443
Making (certain/all) guns hard or illegal to obtain will only prevent law abiding citizens from ownership.

If you change gun laws, a black market will develop. Bad guys will still be able to get whatever they want.

Stop letting your emotions think for you. Take a deep breath, and apply some reality to your decision making process. You fucking mongloid.

This is troll shit. Stay away.

>>689550751
This has been clarified at least 6 times now...

>>689545443
It's always dudes who beat their wives never go to jail for it. Yell at a girlfriend and punch a wall though? Get six months in county

>>689550003
Guns act as a deterrent for most people. They hope they never have to use it but they have it just incase.

This is the reason why the UK has a much higher rate of "hot burglary" (burglary when the home owner is in the house)

hur hur guns kill people...

put a gun on a table and tell me how many people that gun kills

>>689550654
this.

Our politicians are even coming out and saying that those were fronts and that they fucked up.

>>689550727
Trump's people could well be behind this. I wouldn't put it past them. He is rich and powerful, and certainly has the resources to pull it off.

Just sayin'

>>689545443
It wasn't no questions asked. He had gone through a background check and did all the stuff Obama wants us all to go through. He was a licensed carrier. Creating any extra gun control laws would not have affected this situation AT ALL. He was also in a gun free zone jackass.

>>689549646
The AR in the name stands for ArmaLite Rifle, not assault rifle. An assault rifle is a rifle capable of selective fire (can switch between semi and full auto) which the AR-15 cannot

>>689548580

They overwhelmed the sleeping family members and chained them to their beds. What use would a gun be.

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>>689550290
Baseball is practice for killing things with a rock. But we consider this a sport since we've made a game out of it. Like target shooting.

>>689547735
Get out of your imagination safe space. I know like three losers who could get me a gun for cheap right now. Illegal gun sales are just gonna go up, that's it.

>>689549646
AR15 = ArmaLite

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>>689545443
>no mention of him being a muslim
>MILITARY GRADE ASSAULT RIFLE
liberals are dumb

>>689545443
Wait so you are saying the same government institution who failed at properly vetting someone with the laws already in place should be given more responsiblility and control? Excuse me plumber, I know you were supposed to fix the pipe to my toilet but somehow managed to burst the pipe and flood my entire upstairs bathroom, I believe you should now be in control of fixing all pipe fixtures located in my home. Sound logic.

>>689550841
Making things harder to achieve lowers the amount of people who achieve it. Simple logics, you dumbass.

>>689550841
Yeah but its a small market case and point England and Australia where they banned them and look hmmm it looks like them are fucking hard to get there to the point most criminals find it more easy to just own a fucking knife

>>689549820
Students who shoot up schools steal the guns; sometimes killing their moms in the process. But sure, making it even more illegal to do that will surely work.

>>689550511
Competitive shooting is a sport.

>>689545443
Didn't Hillary Clinton stopped an investigation of this guy's mosque?

>>689550909
psssssh i mean you're right he has access to the means but...somehow im having trouble imagining that his campaign managers are much smarter than he is. other anons are right, it'd take more coordination than just one mans election staff.

but that timing is too fucking convenient, isn't it? who knows? nothing surprises me about this country anymore.

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>>689550548
The 2e amendment was written in a time where "gun" meant a musket, a musket has a rate of fire of 3 rounds per minute and they weren't very accurate
and it was written so that the people could protect themselves from a tyrannical government.
have fun fighting the government with your AR15 and glock while they shoot hellfires into your house and blow up your neighborhood with AC130 gunships you fucking idiot

>>689551049
The Muslim thing has since been found out to be false.

See >>689550135

Or go read some news today.

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Welp, this thread is absolutely fucked with libtards who know nothing about rights or firearms, and so many reasonable US citizens reaching out to help them, but the whole thing's fucked. Im off to /k/

>>689548580
"According to Hayes' confession, the two men had planned to rob the Petit house under cover of darkness leaving the family bound, but unharmed. Hayes attributed the outcome to a change of plan. Upon their arrival in the early hours of July 23, they found William Petit sleeping on a couch on the porch. Komisarjevsky struck William on the head with a baseball bat found in the yard and then tied him up at gunpoint in the basement"

Im sorry but unless this guy is a in sleepwalking shooter I doubt it would have made a damn differnce.

>>689550654

We're interfering in the Middle East because we and Russia we armed the fuck out of those barbarians back in the cold war because they made great proxies combatants. Now they're not, and they're killing literally fucking everything else they can with the shit that they were given, so we're trying to stop them from doing that.

It doesn't help their case at all that they sit on all the damned oil either.

>>689551108
where should they steal the guns if noone is allowed to carry one?

>>689545602
this

>>689550900
The fact that they were looking for WMD's? Yeah that was a half truth but the main focus was basically protection of resources, like the oil fields that were being burned. That's where the majority of the world's oil supply sits.

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>>689551170
>proven to be false
Literally no credible source has proven this.

>>689550841
We already HAVE a black market for illegal firearms. It's called a gun show, and its attendees sell each other guns without doing background checks. If they HAD, they might've seen that he's been investigated for "terrorism", something that ALL gun owners would hate because "MURRICA MUH GUN RITES". More laws means its harder to get hold of guns, means people won't be selling them willy nilly anymore. They'll be selling them for a distinct purpose, because anything else and they'd be losing money.

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Just sayin... Anyone else think it's funny that this is the 14th incident of mass shootings under Obama and he just repeats himself every single time and never does anything?

My family and myself own several firearms and even I agree that shit needs to change. They are far too easy to get. A lot of people have no business with them, and if it helps make it more difficult for such people, so be it. A minor inconvenience for me is no big deal if it means so unstable asshat is refused a legal purchase.

>>689551374
>US has ANY credible sources

hilarious.

if the dude wanted to fucking shoot up a place that badly he could find a gun illegally if he really wanted to. Stricter gun laws will just create a higher demand for illegal weapons.

>>689545443
Investigated for terrorism by the FBI
Passes the fbi's ncis firearm background check.
The idiots in the same abc group can't even communicate to stop a suspected terrorist, what makes you think laws written by some other abc are going to mean anything?
Lastly anyone can be put on a "terrorist watch list" or be labled an "extreamist", which although black and white in this particular case, is a complete gray zone when it comes to governments ability and over reaching - ie Irs vs tea party.

>>689545443
>military-grade assault rifle
Oooo big buzzwords to push political agendaaaa
Fucking idiots.

>>689551417
Yeah sure buddy. Gun laws will prevent bad guys from obtaining wespons. Gotcha.

>>689550893
it just serves as a escalation tool
if i fight someone he might punch me back (Dutchfag here) no biggie
but in america if someone fights you he might be afraid you have a gun, so he pulls his gun first and kills you, out of fear. turning a small confrontation into murder, compelling others to buy a gun too, for "protection" and so the spiral of fear and violence plunges ever downward

>>689545443
"Domestic abuser, mentally unstable, terrorist."

Obviously a muslim...

>>689550243

Why don't you explain to me how the Patriot Act works. I'm not too sure you understand it.

While you're at it go ahead and tell me what you think about Benghazi and the Iraq War. I love debunking this bullshit. Btw those of us that actually work in military intelligence laugh at you retards on a regular basis. You're level of ignorance and rampant speculation of policies and procedures you are 100% clueless about astounds us.

As far as Snowden goes, he's a fucking traitor to be honest. He revealed some of our analytical and surveillance techniques that were classified (not to dupe the average American citizen) but to make it easier to investigate/apprehend those who were a threat to those same citizens. His bullshit has made the job more difficult because now our enemies know what to NOT do to evade us. And about us spying on Germany, you're completely oblivious if you don't believe every country on this planet is constantly spying on every other country to the best of their ability. Allies and enemies included.

Muslim hunting party

>>689551154
>Implying

That would be a last resort on their part and the quickest way to lose what following they would have. Military servicemen and women aren't going to fire on a mass civilian uprising, a good number will but not enough to make a difference in the long run.

>>689551577
well the CURRENT lax gun laws are what got him a weapon in the first place. so either we add more laws and TRY to decrease the amount of guns, or we just throw more guns at it.

there is no other direction to go.

>>689551107

Funnily enough, Britain still has a damn high murder rate, even though they're only owning knives.

>>689545892
The guy was a second generation imigrant, citizen of USA by birth right, its not really something that a immigration reform will fix