>>689415171

the 2nd amendment was made when ya'll had muskets

and thats what you should be allowed

The NRA are a bunch of fuckheads who only care about what's profitable for manufacturers but their purpose is mostly to be a target for these kind of things.

File: 1464632216999.jpg (98 KB, 400x400) Image search: [Google]

98 KB, 400x400

>>689415430
fuck off, non american

"Let's ignore the fact that this man was employed by Dept. of Homeland Security and has special licenses to use automatic weapons. What if someone decides to use a old ruger to shoot up a Synagogue? We need to protect our interests. Clearly we need to ban weapon purchases for normal citizens. Wow, it's awesome how much we control the world. This plan will surely work."

Dumbass Jew Press

>>689415430
The founding fathers were not ignorant. They knew guns would evolve. In fact, early versions of what we call Gatlin guns were being built then.

File: image.gif (63 KB, 240x135) Image search: [Google]

63 KB, 240x135

2nd amendment was made so any invading force who tried to occupy the u.s. Would get fucked in the ass by the many militias that would instantly form due to everyone being allowed to have muskets, forceing an occupying force to fight house to house street by street. Not for some faggots to own semi automatic weapons with high capacity magazines and pretend it's there for "home defense" or "standing my ground".

File: right-to-bear-arms.jpg (829 KB, 1750x2500) Image search: [Google]

829 KB, 1750x2500

>>689416087
When the hell did they ever mention guns?

>>689415171
I think each side uses their own reasons for the massacre (right-- Islamic extremism, left-- firearms) to deny the opposition's claim of the cause. The obvious truth is that both are responsible, but neither side wants to admit they're wrong. Democracy is great.

>>689415171
When guns are outlawed, only Islamists will have guns.

>>689416258
Of course, this was assuming that corporations wouldn't have already cucked the entire working population and they'd still have a reason to protect their land.

Let the rich defend the nation with their toys and sheeple. I certainly don't see how it's my problem or how any of our multitude of defense agencies are doing it at all. DHS is clearly just another excuse to collect more taxes and doesn't affect anything but airport travel time.

You amerifags are so fucking retarded. You do not need , in any capacity, assault weapons in your homes or for purchase from the public. There is no fucking need. They are weapons for war, and battle not for fucking home defense and personal defence. Your country is so archaic and clueless you will not permit change to save any lives, in terms of gun law the U.S.A. is a western embarrassment.

>>689415430
this

>>689417073
This is our debate, GTFO

>>689417377
Idiot, the American publics refusal to change especially with Trump as a political figure will fuck the earth for good, pat yourself on the back for being a member of the society that will contribute significantly to the downfall of Man. At least you'll all have semi autos in your hands though, right ?

Some one give me the definition of an assault weapon because I'm telling you right now I could fuck more shit up with an m1 garand than an Ar15 and the garand looks less scary.

>>689417073

And? The AR-15 is semiauto, not full auto capable.

Black powder guns were also used in war for longer than the AR-15. Really don't give a damn about how Europeans sees us, really, it ain't grade school anymore.

>>689417377
Idiot, the American publics refusal to change especially with Trump as a political figure will fuck the earth for good, pat yourself on the back for being a member of the society that will contribute significantly to the downfall of Man. At least you'll all have semi autos in your hands though, right?

>>689417779
>At least you'll all have semi autos in your hands though, right?

Damn right

>>689417779
The earth has been fucked for years, you'd better get right with God or you're doomed.

>>689415430
>>689417227
good call, also no free speech for cell phones, the internet and the like. Also no digital newspapers because they weren't around then.

You can't just ban guns even if everyone wanted to. There's too many of them. That shit only works in small countries

>>689417779

Yet all world wars started in Europe. You bastards practically turns genocide into a science, so STFU.

>>689417908
months ago got a tip to invest in ak 47`s they made a deal with U.S.A you could google it
was supossed to be a secret but I don`t have money to invest so I give it to you everybody.

>>689417901
That's what these anti gun peeps never get.

>>689417073
No, I don't need one but I do have two.

The second amendement giving the right to state militias to arm themselves.
You know... during the seventeenth century when Indians, the red-coats and the Spaniards were still a thing.

That gun control really worked in Paris and Belgium....

>>689418298
That's what I mean, it's too big of an issue now, too ingrained in Anerican society. Shits fucked, and it won't change, Americans are too stupid to see that 'actively doing nothing is a decision too' -Obama

>>689417377
I do enjoy it when you Amerifats die. Please don't ever change your gun laws

>>689418659
They deserved to die. Faggots.

>>689418435

Kalashnikov Concern has a factory in the US already. I don't think that there's a reason for what you just said. Besides that, I build my own ARs and already have enough AKs.

Well, only 6 AKs right now.

>>689418693
>shall not be infringed
or better yet, those militias stand up to the tyranny of their own government

>>689418243
>good call, also no free speech for cell phones, the internet and the like. Also no digital newspapers because they weren't around then.

Exactly, digital papers aren't printed in a press. So there is no violation of freedom of the "press".....

>>689418693
>Implying mexicans, niggers, and terrorists aren't still a thing.

File: 1450209363032.jpg (72 KB, 259x567) Image search: [Google]

72 KB, 259x567

>>689418693
My favorite part of the second amendment was ", until the Indians, red-coats and Spaniards are gone"

>>689418243

except there is an amendment for that already

>google freedom of speech

>>689418864

We get that you hate gays.

>>689419021
even if b8- neither "press" nor "arms" refer to a singular object

>>689417073
Ever owned a gun? They're fun as fuck. Ever lived in America? You need guns cuz everyone has guns!

>>689419143
but if you are restricting the 2A to what was around in the 1700s, why not the 1A? Or all of them?

>>689419143

Right to bear arms is also an amendment.

>>689418727
You're an idiot, stop worrying about other people's problems as if you have none.

>>689415430
Kill yourself.

File: 1463435254420.jpg (71 KB, 500x657) Image search: [Google]

71 KB, 500x657

>>689415171
Valiant effort OP, but you're still a faggot.

File: 4381694-the-right-to-bear-arms.jpg (47 KB, 500x530) Image search: [Google]

47 KB, 500x530

>>689415171
This?

>>689417779
Since I'm assuming you're a Eurofag, is your mother still getting raped by Achmed?

>>689415430
Top kek

>>689419300

because the 2A was made when guns were around

you're now gonna tell me the internet and cellphones were around when they wrote the 2A

>>689419390
Why don't y'all stick it up your ass?

>>689416258
Don't forget, the founding fathers also knew that corruption is human nature and allowed for certain failsafe to fight against it.

>>689415171
>normal to sell ARs for defence
being this fucking retarded, why can't you JUST authorize handguns? aren't they enough to defend yourself? you don't have to shoot up the whole school to defend yourself, just the teachers?

> infrangible

lol

>>689419619
Because I can't fit anything else up there.

>>689419124
Mine's the part where it specifies hunting as the only acceptable shooting activity and limits weapons to non-military grade.

Good thing the military never had shotguns, bolt action rifles, and single action revolvers.

>>689415430
fuck off. does it say muskets? nope because thats not the point.

>>689419597
not sure you were following the thread exactly.
The point is the freedoms protected by the bill of rights were not just restricted to what was there at the time

File: 1458061594235.jpg (16 KB, 680x299) Image search: [Google]

16 KB, 680x299

>>689417073

>>689415430
We'all are allowed to have muskets, or just about any other weapon you'd want to have. I don't own any weapons right now, but it's nice to know I can get whatever I want later.

>>689415171
I'm not a libtard and I actually do own a G18, but that was written in the 1700s, when Indians were a security threat.

>>689417073
fuck off. european here. their country their laws. and there are many uses for private weapons first off all recreational uses.

>>689418868
not as much as you faggot

File: 24b.gif (3 MB, 282x257) Image search: [Google]

3 MB, 282x257

>>689419784
At least reply to his post.
SECONDS AMENDMENT
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

File: image.jpg (22 KB, 220x163) Image search: [Google]

22 KB, 220x163

>mfw even if they outlaw them, I will still own them

>>689418722
STFU about Belgium you retarded pieces of shit!
NO GUNS WERE USED IN BRUSSELS.
I don't know where you faggots keep getting this, the sandniggers used bombs.

>>689419771
Keep trying OP. Soon you'll be able to fit a dozen dicks in your ass and mouth simultaneously. Just like your Euro trash mom when the jihad bros are passing her around.

File: 1434410441721.png (40 KB, 1366x768) Image search: [Google]

40 KB, 1366x768

privilege to bear arms. not a right

File: pew pew pew.jpg (116 KB, 717x323) Image search: [Google]

116 KB, 717x323

>>689415171

File: 1464045637292.png (633 KB, 1500x2700) Image search: [Google]

633 KB, 1500x2700

>>689417073
Why are police forces allowed to use assualt rifies?
Why do the police need to send 20 cops with assult rifles to a citizens public house over a loud music report?
Why are PMC's allowed to have assualt rifles?

Why are goverment agencies allowed to use any weapon they want on its citizens?

Why should the citizens NOT be allowed to protect them selves from the goverment?

>>689420402
That's right, keep your fringes off my guns.

>>689420280
>Indians

They're Native Americans and you're a racist piece of garbage.

>>689419771
Because JUST handguns gets boring after a while. I need a bigger bang, also stop talking this defence bullshit. I own an AK for sports!

I think those amerifags should be allowed to buy guns whenever. They're killing themselves off

>>689420522
When bombs are illegal, only illegals will have bombs.

>>689420706
I gotta admit anon, I chuckled a bit.

>>689420669
>Why should the citizens NOT be allowed to protect them selves from the goverment?
Get into gunfight with police.
Let us know how that turns out.

>>689420779
Shut up faggot

>>689420943
So are you saying I should buy a bomb? But I don't want to an hero...

>>689419771
Why can't you JUST stop being so nosy and controlling and authorize other people to live differently than you? Or are you just that intolerant?

>>689420132

nnnno i was following along just fine those amendments were put in place to restrict readily existing things as new things came by (eg. internet) new laws have been made (eg. dmca) governing them however when it comes to guns the law cannot evolve because the second it is suggested that MABY you dont actually need a high power rifle to defend your precious home from...spiders i guess...a good chunk of the population stands up and cries all at once "BUT MUH SECOND AMERRNDMEERRNT"

which is funny really ya'll make out as if the constitution is this perfect infallible guide to life in the US and the world around you will collapse if you change it even for a second...except that's exactly what an amendment is...in fact you've changed the fucker 27 times in 300 years

>>689421100
Are you illegal?

Any vids or pics from inside the club yet?

>>689421061
Apparently homophobic too. Which begs the question: why so much rage when only homosexuals were targeted and killed?

>>689421060
So when they come to my house illegally, the bust down my door,illegally. And threaten my life?
Yeah,stand your ground clearly applies.

No warrent, no conversation.

But mah guns...I need mah guns

>>689420402

That amendment would have been so much cooler with a little error. How different history would have been if it read "The right of the people to keep and arm bears shall not be infringed."

Armed bears. FUCK YEAH.

>>689419228
It's sarcasm not bait.

File: 1458884920450.jpg (119 KB, 840x960) Image search: [Google]

119 KB, 840x960

>>689417073
The pretentious eurotrash on this board kills me.

>>689415171
NRA does a fuckton more than "defend our right", noob. It's a fucking for-profit mouth-iece for the industry, and it's the biggest supporter of government corruption. It's a tuckibg racket and you idiots are pawns. No gun owner worth his brain supprts that utter shitshow of an organization.

>>689418338
The US is one of the youngest nations of the world, yet it has been in, and also started, the most wars. Come again bitch?

>>689421304
No, but it seems unfair if they're the only ones to have bombs..

>>689421185
actually only 17 times, and a few of those have been procedural things (succession, compensation, etc)

the constitution > federal statutes. The point of the constitution is to limit the power of government. It is designed to be hard to change. Look at California- their constitution has been amended over 500 times, and the state is falling apart

>>689421532
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpeUznIhgLU

>>689421350
There is a snapchat from some girl who died. But all you basically hear are some gunshots while she looks oblivious and is still partying.

Fuck 'em. SCOTUS ruled that women have the right to an abortion under the 4th amendment, but that hasn't stopped republicans from working to dismantle that right across a number of states--it's bullshit. If people have to jump through hoops to access a perfectly legal and constitutionally protected medical procedure, the same should be done for access to perfectly legal and constitutionally protected firearms.

>>689420556
was not op, good try faggot and my mom'll be fine

>>689421350
Nothing good, fags doing faggotry and the vid cutting out when the shooting starts.

>>689421185

Better than other constitutions written by all others so far.

U.S. Constitution recognized rights as ingrained not granted or given. The Constitution merely recognized and guarantee those rights.

>>689420669
Are you fucking stupid?
The answer to that is obvious: Of course the police shouldn't be allowed either to march in your home with a tank and 20 guys carrying assault weapons.
Why would the answer be to arm youself heavier than the police?
This is such typical American logic.
Instead of de-escalating the situation, your asnwer is to escalate it even further.
Next time the police is gonna need rocket launchers to out-gun you and you'll say 'Well I get rocket launchers then also'

>>689421715
>youngest nation
except for all of Africa, most of Europe, all of the Americas...

>>689420862
>gets boring
yeah like you shoot your gun every day... just like I said, retarded

>>689421185
The constitution is a living and breathing document you open mouth breathing moron. Therefore it can be amended if certain requirements are met. That is a feature, not an example of American indecision or ignorance.

I understand that you're incapable of imagining that there are valid opinions other than your own and that you can't accept that people might choose to live differently than you, but perhaps you should consider killing yourself instead of bringing so much cancer to /b/...

>>689421818
SCOTUS ruled that states could reasonably restrict the process if it doesnt create an undue burden, not that it was blanket legal

>>689417901
Underrated post.

For lels, ask someone arguing for a ban to give you the legal definition of an "assault weapon" and how it differs from the common definition of "assault rifle"

>>689421824
Trust me. Your mommy loves it.

>>689421132
>so nosy and controlling and authorize other people to live differently than you?
I don't own a gun, you already live differently and I respect that but giving ARs legally to suspected terrorists is just fucking retarded, think about it

>>689415171

>LEGALLY
>KILLING MACHINE

Planned Parenthood.

>>689421406
LOL! Cops bust down your door? You're fucked.
You better have your own army, pal. We'll see your widow on the eight o'clock news.

>>689422033
I don't care about what my mom loves or doesn't, what I know is your law is retarded

>>689416258
Missing the point.

The 2nd amendment was placed into the constitution because the founding fathers saw the necessity of overthrowing government, and knew we would need guns to do so when the time came.

Dear Amerifag,

I lived in Switzerland, Israel and now France, all country in the top 10 of gun par capita.
Why are you the only country to allow the free trade of guns without any form of control ?
And what is the problem with your self defense, stand you ground, fight the government mindset ?
Seriously you are more paranoid than Israeli in a state of constant war, surrounded by enemies and fucked up by two years of millitrary services.
Why the hell do you allow, untrained redneck to freely resell arms to other idiots ?

>>689421715

And what was the civilized European's excuse again?

You lot fucked up whole continents and class of people. More brown and yellow died from European interventions than us.

>>689415430
They allowed the same weapons that the military used.

>>689421818
Good point, anon.

>>689422021
Never gonna happen. Unless you'll accept "scary looking" or some variation of that as an answer. So we're left with an amazing amount of faggotree from liberals with nothing better to do.

>>689421873
>heavier then the police
Police have assult rifles in their car incase things elevate.They also have a shotgun the front of the cruiser.
>escalate it further
Because we arent getting ass raped like all your eurfags are by your government?
If you come to my house and have an assult rifle, im going to have mine out aswell
Dont came to my door with an assult rifle or pistal drown.
Come to my house with a warrent,and ill call my lawyer while you wait outside waiting for my laywer to send a represenative of the firm.


>your logic
So the us has nukes, why dont we just send nukes around the world?

>>689416087
They didn't, however, count on the slaves getting their hands on those very sane guns.

And you'd never claim they werent stupid if you evercread their writings. Most of them were dumb as hell, and their ignorance what what the others worked so hard to figure out how to keep from ending up... like it ended up anyway, with the ignorant populists and militant religious zealous ascending to power threatening to turn civilization back to pre-enlightenment hell. Enjoy, faggots.

>>689421899
You are a fucking nazi. Why can't people have fun on the range?
And I shoot it once or twice a week, I do have a life you fag.

>>689421908

>Therefore it can be amended if certain requirements are met

the requirements have been met

>>689422121
This.

Thanks Ford.
Because of you 100's of people die everyday because they have access to 2 ton killing machines

>>689421873

The state and its agent needs to fear the citizen. The reverse of that creates tyranny or Europe.

>>689422206
there are tons of controls. Federal and state.
>inb4 gunshow loophole myth

>>689418864
What country are you from?

>>689422017
True, but the burden that many states have placed on access to the procedure is completely unreasonable. I live in walking distance of about three gun shops, but it would take days off work if me and the gf wanted to flush out a potential bastard, which I find completely absurd. If states placed the same burden on gun access, the NRA would put the politicians out of business. Guns are a lot more popular than abortions in the south though, so that would never happen.

>>689422186

From a country unable to organize even a medium size protest, all the "it is need to overthrowing the government" is quite laughable.
Most revolutions were done with people on the street, sticks and stones.

>>689422122
>you're fucked
I would get off with jutifiable murder on every charge,much like cops get when they kill someone accidently.
Stand your ground laws.

>>689419784
what's your problem? Infrangible is an awesome word.

>>689422248
We civilised them ofc. Just as we did with America.

>>689422413
ok fair enough, please have fun at the firing range! you don't have to "own" a gun, just hire it at the shooting range. everything is secure and you have your fun

>>689422071
Yes, that is absolutely retarded. I agree.

So, let me ask this then: why the fuck do liberals continue to advocate for more governmental control over our lives when it is plainly obvious to anyone with eyes that they can't do anything right or in a reasonable amount of time?

Btw, I'm ok with Universal background checks and even a license. But I'm not paying for that shit.

>>689422585
depends on the state, some like NY or IL make it very difficult to buy guns

>>689422354
The fucking point is that you should work on getting your fucking police de-militarized instead of stocking up on weapons.
That is just one more possible way to level the playing field.
But no, that would be too sensible.

>>689420779
I live in the southwest and they prefer the term American Indian over native American.

t. Anthropology instructor in Flagstaff

WAAAAAAAH DA GOVMENT IS TRYIN TO TAKE MU TOYS AWAY

That's what every person complaining about how they should be able to own AR-15s sounds like. They have zero practical use. They are used by you as toys. Your toys are not more valuable than preventing murder.

>>689422423
Nope. They have not. Otherwise there would be a 28th amendment addressing these issues.

Try again faggot.

>>689422603
>Stand your ground laws.
LOL! Only if they are niggers. Kill a white cop and see what happens.

>>689422668
You don't need a house either, you can hire one. Same goes for a woman. Why don't you hire a car?
I like it, I buy it. Why the fuck not? So you don't feel insecure?

File: redskin.jpg (46 KB, 500x437) Image search: [Google]

46 KB, 500x437

>>689420779

>>689422869
vast majority of gun murders in this country caused by handguns, not AR15s

>>689422206
I grew up in Zurich. USA wants to have the freedom of Switzerland, (well the guns anyway, not the other civil liberties), but it diesnt want to have to be the educated, intelligent, tempered, respectful society that Switzerland relies on that allows it to have greater freedom without going berserk and killing itself.

All usa sees is "I want I want I want", no understand the relation between rights and responsibilities. Too many generations of poor parenting.

>>689422498
>The reverse of that creates tyranny or Europe.
So the reverse either creates Tyranny, or in the case of Europe: One of the statistically best places for a human being to live without the fear of being gun down in the street.
Great argument, bud.

>>689415171
>there Ignorant agenda
>there
Yea who's really the ignorant one here.

>>689422859
So what do you call people from India?

>>689415430
Right, and the 1st amendment was made before radio, TV, public address systems, and the internet. So let's get rid of that, too.

>>689423151
curry niggers

>>689423029
lol youre a /btard shitposting, otgerwise I'd add to the ridicule you deserve, for making whites still look like a bunch of backward ass toothless dopes from last century

ITT: stupid americunts that dont realise that the 2nd amendmend doesnt give them the right to defend themselves but the right to kill each other.

>>689422206

Buying guns from gun shops will need to have background checks done.

The dude that shot up the club in Orlando passed the background checks. More than one was done because he works as a guard that has contracts with DoD. Dude has no criminal history that barred him from owning guns from legit sources.

Rednecks selling guns ain't the problem here dude.

>>689422869
That's right. Let's make practicality the criteria for legal ownership of things.

Fuck you people are stupid.

>Hur dur founding fathers said we can have guns.

To the standards we hold today the founding fathers were a bunch of racist, sexist, drunk morons.
To say that they had any clue as to where we are now is just stupid.

We need to think what is right for us now and for the future.

File: Experts Agree.png (182 KB, 459x422) Image search: [Google]

182 KB, 459x422

ya think?

>>689423029
I'm offended by this brand.

>>689423195

nigga did you even fucking read what i said

>>689421185

>>689417073

As a European i can confirm this man is a left wing retard

>>689423375
>Thinks limiting access to guns is banning.
How cute, I bet you also think that drug laws work too.

>>689423151
Curry Heads

>>689423357
founding fathers said an armed populace would resist tyranny.
Judging them by today's standards is pointless.
And even so, bad people can have good ideas.

>>689421715
>greatest warriors the world has ever seen
>mad they start wars

Stay mad forever eurofag

>>689422186
>rednecks with pistols against the strongest military in the world which ever exited
Nigga you wat?

>>689423068
Yep won't get gunned down in europe. But will get gang raped by sand niggers.
I'll take my guns thank you

>>689420387
TRIGGERED