Two different countries
Crime rose after the ban
Shitty liberal logic
>sage

>>689277195
/pol/ having a field day today

fuck americans and their gun rights I don't understand how you can all be so retarded in that country

>>689278431
because youre a dumb underaged hick from a foreign country who hasn't gone anywhere or done anything with his life? start there

>>689278199
>crime rate
>murder rate
please explain

>>689277195
In Australia guns aren't banned. They're just restricted to the government. Lol. Enjoy life on your knees.

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>>689277195
Look! Another foreign fag who seems obsessed over guns laws in a country on a different continent!

I wonder why these people are soooo concerned? Hmmmm...

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>>689279066

>Land of the Free
>Most incarcerations in the WHOLE world. Not even proportionally, just by sheer amount.
>NSA literally hacking and spying civilians because freedom
>Government subsidizes billion dollar corporations while thousands people get poisoned because a couple of million dollars we decided to save because lol tax cuts

Truly living on your knees

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>>689277195
lol yeah they also have one of the strictest immigration policys so they don't have niggers or sandniggers running around shooting people and therefore those people don't need guns to shoot back.

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>>689279815
Pipe down confused Aussie-fag, or we'll turn off your interwebs and send you to bed without supper.

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>>689279815
Jelly he can't hop on the Train.

Don't worry, we'll probably refrain from annexing
Australia. No promises though.

>>689279815
intrested to see if anyone will be able to respond to this

>>689280450
>>689280835
so youre okay with not really being free?

>>689279066
Dude better get off the internet, wouldn't want the NSA finding out you get butt hurt this easily.

Also doesn't your government have more nukes than states in the country?
I'm sure you could beat the government in a war though because you have 4 assault rifles.

>>689280450

Funny you would post that image and then proceed to ad hominem that anon instead of actually discussing

>>689280968

Funny thing is they actually believe they're free because they have AR 15s, but fuck democratic elections or a transparent government

>>689280450
>>689280835
Lol you're just butthurt because you pretend you're all free but your country is an Orwellian nightmare full of constant mass murder that's controlled by corporations.

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>>689279815
>>689280450
How big is the Aussie military anyway? Isn't Australia like 19 million people total? The US probably has that many people in militias.

I wouldn't be advertising how gun free Straya' is, there may be a lot of pissed off Trump fanatics after this November ready to start the immigration to New America

>>689280153
Kinda not true, there is a lot of scum in Australia.

The main difference is that no one can really get a gun legally easily. If you wanted to by it illegally it would be upwards of $6k for a hand gun. No brain dead scum has that kind of money.
It regulates itself now in a way. Whats stopping america from having this?

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>>689281618
Why would I wish to discuss my country's internal business with you, my good anon? Why do you give a fuck?

I'm quite aware you have no good faith answer. So please fuck off.

>>689279066
>government litterally watching my phone as we speak
>"b-but muh AR-15. what's do the government predator drones have to say to THAT?"

Fuck all of you inbred, mouth breathing cuckstervatives. you throw hissy fits over the most visceral, trivial bullshit (i have to sell cakes to homos? MY FREEDOM) while the government is actively stripping you of your basic human rights.

Piss off. I sincerely hope you actually try to "take back your liberty", and get atomized by an eye in the sky.

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>>689281733
Cool story bro!

>>689281618
>Funny thing is they actually believe they're free because they have AR 15s, but fuck democratic elections or a transparent government
starting to realize that its all just manipulation by the gov to make people think theyre free and they can "rebel" if they need to. That way the gov just keeps doing whatever it wants and the fat fucks just sit idly by

There is still guns in Australia, just the wrong people have them. You still hear about bikies shootings all the time. The thing Australia has going for it is the tightly closed borders, unlike the US we don't share a border with anyone making it a lot harder to smuggle illegal goods.

>>689277195
or maybe it's because the government of Australia doesn't just open their doors and let anybody and everybody in. They have strict immigration requirements based on how well a person might contribute to the country and what skills they bring to the workforce

Lol Americans think they're free because they have deadly weapons but they're living in a country where elections are popularity contests, half of the population are incarcerated, and big businesses control everything.

>>689282329
bo burnham?

>>689279815
>Americas geopolitical situation is nothing like Australia, comparing the two is retarded.
>we know we are not really "free" thats why we like our guns as we see the tighter surveillance, if we have no guns, the largest military force in the world could easily overpower our nation and strip us of all rights entirely.
>The incarceration situation is a direct result of the war on drugs which most americans see as a losing battle and why most states are begging problems of normalization and legalization.
>still freer than australia no matter how you spin it.
>seriously you people just dont understand what its like to live with niggers who have ILLEGAL guns, and who feel like they have the moral high ground when killing white people and who are legit spoonfed niggerpride by the media
>source: legit almost got jumped in baltimore by a group of niggers today, for not having any interest in buying heroin when returning from a lecture.
>kys

Haha the US is the least free country after North Korea.

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Americunts will defend this

>>689277195
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Australia

>>689282961
no one likes the war on drugs faggot grow up

>>689282762
You have already been stripped of your rights. You should've rebelled 40 years ago if you wanted to be free. You've got guns and all you do with them is murder innocent people.

>>689282762
>>seriously you people just dont understand what its like to live with niggers who have ILLEGAL guns, and who feel like they have the moral high ground when killing white people and who are legit spoonfed niggerpride by the media
>>source: legit almost got jumped in baltimore by a group of niggers today, for not having any interest in buying heroin when returning from a lecture.
and youre arguing for guns?
where do you think the "ILLEGAL" nigger guns came from? maybe some guy in town that bought it legally and sold it off??????????

>>689283138
I do because it makes retards either go to prison or get killed by other druggies/cops

>>689282961

You need to learn how to interpret statistics.

For instance, compare your timeline using relevant data like population growth, illegal immigration, etc.

You're cherry picking. Though I imagine it's not intentional, it's still what it is.

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>The media successfully spun the story to make it about guns instead of Islam

Because the brainwashed fanatic hellbent on killing homos wouldn't have gotten a gun if they were harder to obtain.
He obviously would have just given up because buying guns from criminals is too much of a hassle.

Why is probably in quotation marks? I don't care about any of the politics but for some reason that's bothering me...

Australia is still owned by the queen of England.

>>689277195
so few mass murders in aus that statistics don't work
more mass killings where fire was used
gun ban was part of a lib deal to get the greens to pass the GST

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>>689279066
>In Australia guns aren't banned. They're just restricted to the government.

How easy is it to get a firearm in Australia?
A spokeswoman for the Australian Institute of Criminology told SBS a person looking to own a firearm in this country needs both a licence and a permit. To obtain a licence, they must be:

18 years or over
Judged as a fit and proper person
Have undergone a firearms safety training course and;
Have provided documentation about the storage arrangements in which they will secure the firearm.
Licences will not be granted to people:

Under the age of 18
Who have been convicted in the previous 10 years in the current or another state/territory of an offence prescribed by the regulations
Is subject to an apprehended violence order or at any time in the previous 10 years has been subject to an order (unless the order was revoked), or;
Is subject to a Good Behaviour Bond to an offence prescribed by the regulations.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/12/18/how-easy-it-get-gun-australia

I've fired a gun, I know people that own guns.

>>689282961
No we won't. But go on, keep telling me what I believe.

>>689283186
>?
>are you retarded? guns can easily be traced back to the buyer. legal guns get sold over the boarder to mexico
>most street guns come from other countries
>its a huge business importing guns into the us.
>its cheaper to buy chinese or russian guns than american ones.
>the gun laws are actually pretty fucking tight statewise, stop talking like you know what youre talking about

>>689283365

>the population of america has increased 8x in the last 40 years

>>689284066
lol its actually easier to get guns in austalia shit

>>689283186
At this point I'd like to argue a critical point that likely hasn't been brought up. Australia is a tiny ass island in the Pacific boonies. It can't possibly be that hard to keep most guns out. America is an enormous nation with massive land borders to the north and narcoanarchy to the south. If we made the punishment for gun possession the plum of anguish it would have no impact on niggers gettING illegal guns.

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>>689279597

lolololol

typical amerkansi responses. Fuck, how does it feel living in a country that has a worse quality of life than fucking Estonia hahaha and literally a worse personal safety rating then North Korea,,,

I thank god everyday that I'm not an American slob cunt

also before you start, na I'm not from Aus, New Zealand represent!!

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>>689283365
I don't see it

>>689284307

The point went completely over your head. You're still cherry picking. Perhaps there is no hope for you.

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>>689277195
Please kill yourself Schlomo.

>>689282552
that was the case, but in the last 5 or so years they have been bringing in nearly anyone. nignogs can't afford the flights and don't go near water, so we have been getting mainly sandnigs and curries

>>689284767
Citation needed

>>689284865
That's not cherry-picking. The population has gone up from 200m in 1968 to 318m in 2014. It's not a proportionate increase in the number of prisoners, which is what you're implying.

>>689285013

http://www [.] oecdbetterlifeindex [.] org/countries/united-states/

Sorry, I remember copy pasting, but it must not have worked

>>689277195
I like how a colony of ex criminals is trying to pretend that they have a moral high ground. remember when Australians were trash people and sent there to die on the inhospitable climate. pff piss off.

>>689284813

Much better. A step in the right direction for sure.

Now, let's look at the demographics of those incarcerated.. and compare their population, and growth rates.

I know, this is too difficult, yes?

This reminds me of that one pic of the little girl trying to do math, then saying "fuck it, i'll just be a stripper!".

It doesn't matter. You're one man that no-one listens to. Just keep generalizing, glossing over, etc. You look really smart with yer numbers an shit!

I remember when Australia actually had some respect and were known for their ruggedness and independence. Now they're a bunch of faggot cucks who suck their government's dick.

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>>689285116
To be fair there's also this.
Personally I don't like immigration OR the war on drugs so

>>689284767
how's the sheep shaggin today??

>>689285351

Are you serious? There is such thing as being too specific.

>>689285505
>>689284767


yea whatever zelandstan

>>689285167
more convicts were sent to murica

>tfw my country has legal handguns of all calibres
>tfw my country has illegal AR-18s out the wazoo
>tfw my country has 0 mass shootings outside of a civil war
Guns aren't the problem. The culture is.

>>689285463

A much larger step in the right direction. Considering this data, we can also consider the birth rate of non-whites to whites. A much clearer picture is now forming.

This kills the cherries.

>>689285718
citation needed

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>>689285351
>I'll just keep demanding more data and refuse to change my viewpoint until the argument ends of its own accord!
Americunts in a nutshell

>>689285666

> PI is 3. We don't need the .1415ETC

SIGH.

>>689285161
Isn't that data self reported? If it is, all that shows is that we feel less safe than Estonians do.

>>689277195
>capable of shooting down helicopters
Are Australians this fucking retarded to believe that...
Oh wait, they're Australian. Never mind.

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>>689285939
this image fucked up for some reason
regardless there are plenty propaganda images

>>689285939

If he's correct, it doesn't matter how deep you go.. the same result is found. This is basic shit, anon.

Your problem, as well as his, is that his assertion falls apart with even the most basic of glances.

You dudes are scary stupid. You no doubt swallow AGW hook, line, sinker.. fuck it the hole pole and the fisherman.

>>689286424
How is he correct? He's not even saying anything. No one ever said the war on drugs was the only reason the prison population went up.
Go fuck yourself fucking faggot

>>689286720

lol I expected this response.

> Everything implied is WOD... BUT: This ain't even what we be sayin an shit!

Your cherries are dying, classic faggot.

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>>689286720
Wait wut
reeeeeee
but why did you call me stupid

>>689286359
funny thing is that 50cal is legal in aus

>>689286967
But that wasn't what I implied you literal idiot.

>if there's one other factor that means the war on drugs has nothing to do with anything!!!

How about no.

Delete your account

>>689286933
look out, drop bears will get ya

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>>689277195
>lol at Americans for gun problems
>still have Abo problems

>Aussie crime, murder, suicide, and terror rates are all the same or worse than they were in the 90s
>Despite their government actively restricting their rights

>>689287388
Need proof on my that - my bullshit senses are tingling.

>>689287397

Your greentext does not describe my stance. It cherry picks, yet again, by denying everything else I've said.

My greentext however is accurate of your stance. Every picture I'm replying to is WAR ON DRUGS, clearly.

I honestly don't understand your stupidity. It's downright painful. Post a picture that asserts something NOT war on drugs related, and see how quickly I warm to the idea that you aren't constantly harping on about WAR ON DRUGS.

It's pretty simple bro.

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>>689282762
>Strip us of our rights entirely

>my ar15 is keeping the entire american military at bay

I love the delusion americans perpetuate.

"Listen! Governments are corrupt and will fuck you at the first drop of a hat, ESPECIALLY the American government."

>>689287751
>Abo problem
dafuq?

ausfag here and wtf is that supposed to mean?
britfags fucked them over when they got here, sorry day happen, they get benefits and do whatevs they want.

not much of a crisis

>>689288666
>M-MUH DELUSIONS
My gun forces the military into a position where they are required to kill an American citizen in order to get compliance.

It's a battle of ideals, and I'm on the winning side the moment they attack.

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>>689277195

i'll just leave this here.

>>689288666

> illiterate rice farmers defeat our military (and yours too, ozzies) for 20 years
> illiterate goatfuckers defeat our military for 15 years and counting

> "lol dumb rednecks thinking they can fight our military"

>>689289003
What are you doing that requires military response?

>>689288666

No-one believes one gun will stop an army.

There are millions of guns in the US.. and far fewer service man and woman who would turn on American civilians as you seem to think.

The politicians want the guns out of our hands not to stop us from the marines.. but to stop us from overthrowing our government. The military isn't huddled like a ball around all politicians, simpleton. Most times, they're easily overcome by a small group of men armed well.

The war on terror, for instance.. isn't to protect Americans from terrorists.. it's to protect politicians from AMERICANS.

>>689280861
You're just making the whole thing up. Why would we? Zero points are true.

>>689288666
thees 300 million of us m8. the most advanced army in the world cant take over that if we are all armed. what delusion is there?

the biggest thing you people dont understand is the legal issue of banning something that is legally guaranteed to you. you didnt grow up in a country founded on ideals rather than a relative geopolitical situation. the constitution is what holds the country together, and its falling apart right now because of spying and corporatism. nobody cares about your dessert island fuck off

>>689289450

Top kek

>>689289423
Again, Why would they attack civilians?

What exactly are you doing that requires military response?

>>689289364
Owning a gun, apparently.

>>689289619

My post states that it isn't about the military attacking civilians.. and you ask this?

Are you fucking stupid?

>>689289619

something the government doesnt like.

what were the German jews doing in 1939 that required a military response?

>>689282594
Half the population? Lol o fn l. 90% of people in jail are niggers and latinos...two disgusting shit races that destroy and country they spread to.

Hint: they aren't in Australia
Hint: thats why we need guns and you dont

>>689286161

yeah, it might be. I think it takes GDP and stats that it actually can; such as housing, health, quality of life.

but factors like; happiness, skillfulness are self reported

and the US has some pretty shit stats

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I live in Australia and all forms of violent crime went up after the staged shooting that was used to strip us of our rights.

Australia is a tyrannical backwater.

OP is your name Mark?

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>>689284767
>lives in New Zealand
>pretends he would rather live there than California.

Topkek my good man!

And if you prefer a straight answer, it feels fuckin' great man.

>>689289891

"Nazi's killed the jews after they took away their guns!"

Granted but do you not have political safeguards to prevent fascist parties from taking over?

Or are you just casually piggybacking your argumennt on the genocide

>>689290232
Did murders also go up?

>>689289619
ive personally seen the police attack WHITE people for no real reason already. and blacks get gunned down like pigs on the streets. lets say a shill tyrannical leader rises up thats for gun abolition *cough *cough decides to round up anyone against the government and throw them in camps? bet you theyll have to bring a fucking tank to come into my gated community where everyone owns at least a handgun. its just so retarded to think that the american population can be subjugated in its current state of gun laws, even less with looser gun laws

>>689277195
Yeah rate of gun related violence was going down at the same rate after Port Arthur. America doesn't have a gun problem it has a nigger, wetback and muslim problem.

>>689291082
Bingo.
Mostly nigger, but Mexican gangs and I foresee radical Muslims become much bigger, considering there has been at least 2 mass homicides from Muslims in the past year.

>>689290871

Rounded up in camps? No come on now. You think the American government would be able to sort of round up people in camps?

Look at Canada, Strong gun laws and strong government. How come they're not being rounded up into camps?

>>689290598
we live in a facist state already moron, its a corporatist system with very liberal social laws. we have no safeguards for the head of state to declare marshall law and throw everyone in FEMA camps. paranoid as that may be, its happened too many times in too many countries that conveniently had strict guns laws and vegetarian leaders

>>689291475
>FEMA camps have happened in other countries. I don't think so, Tim.

>>689291427
Cause they don't have a military, ya doof.

>>689291427
you can go to jail over verbally insulting someone in canada nigger. plus their military is the size of my dick

>>689291771
death camps of some kind or another have happened in many countries, kim
.

>>689291427
>Rounded up in camps? No come on now. You think the American government would be able to sort of round up people in camps?

Executive Order 9066 what?

>>689281942
As long as it's not the trump supporters emigrating I'm happy. Build a wall Murica and keep your cancer to yourself.

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>>689279815
>Land of the Free
Constitution works pretty well. You ever been here? What is it you'd like to do that you can't?

>Most incarcerations in the WHOLE world. Not even proportionally, just by sheer amount.
So people who do crimes should not be in jail?

>NSA literally hacking and spying civilians because freedom
We're watching your ass too idiot. But the GCHQ GCSB aren't watching you...are they?

>Government subsidizes billion dollar corporations while thousands people get poisoned because a couple of million dollars we decided to save because lol tax cut
Well that's a powerful argument.

>>689291907
>>689291775

Yea Well Canadian Civilians don't have the same type of weaponry, so they should be ripe for the picking shouldnt they? Even the Canadian Military as small as it is should be able to slaughter those lambs pretty easily.

And yet.

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>>689282256
>complanes that we should stop the government from taking away our liberties.
>thinks that surrendering our firearms to the government will fix the problem.
Lol faggot.

>>689292053
In some modern countries, Rimjob.

>>689290598
>but do you not have political safeguards to prevent fascist parties from taking over?

Unfortunately the answer seems to be no. Our constitution is suspended while we live under wartime rules, we see no accountability or regulation of overzealous overreach. They militarize the police and stifle all attempts at reform. In the end the only real safeguards against the unpoliced powers becoming fascist are guns and ammo. Rule is by force and power not pen.

>>689286967
lol looks like u tried to be all smart and got BURNED

>>689292060

In todays day and age of course.

In an age of less government racism and xenophobia.

>>689289423
Stanley Milgram showed people will do whatever you tell them if you're an authority figure. Hitler showed it too. It wouldn't be hard for the military to convince a soldier to kill a civilian claiming that civilian deserves it.

It's a pointless argument though. People are too fat and lazy to overthrow the government anymore. Not to mention too fractured. Revelation after revelation about NSA spying, tax evasion by the wealthy, collateral damage, lobby groups, etc should have people furious enough to overthrow the government years ago but people are far too lazy and indifferent. When was the last time you seriously considered trying to overthrow the government with your god-given right to bear arms? Exactly.

>>689292316
dude no, our military is large enough to detain a state a time if there wasnt any serious rebellion against it, like you trying to take over DC or New York thats armed to the teeth. Canada doesnt even have enough people in its military to properly police a statesize section of your country. not to mention the considerable resources the american government has that canda doesnt

>>689292776

This is why America is fucked.

>>689293206
theres legit a new movement like "occupy wall street" every day, theres just no issue large enough to warrant a full revolution. plus people just have faith that the system and its elections can actually reverse the damage done. hence the strong movement of trump supporters

>>689293489

So you're saying that if the Canadian government had the means they would suddenly become tyrannical?

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>>689284767
>New Zealand represent!!

You're about 20 years out of date retard. Guess shit takes a long time to run that far south.

Here is a girl from a newer show you might want to check out.

>>689281066
>I'm sure you could beat the government in a war though because you have 4 assault rifles.

You burgers really shouldn't take advise from a country who's military power couldn't win against overgrown chickens.

>>689284066
source on pic

>>689285167
this be true

>>689292316
Canada is completely and utterly incapable of doing anything outstanding or noteworthy.

They are not a model case for anything. Why are you barking up this tree?

>>689294100
no but ifthey had the means and if canada was worth taking over, a syndicate could infiltrate the government and through smiles and handshakes take it over easily. i mean we are arguing in a hypothetical realm, but you have to see how this is VERY possible, like military coos happen all the time in smaller countries

>>689291427
because the Canadian gubermint and ppl are pussies?

>>689294605
Because they're literally your neighbors.

Same , geography, same demographics just not as fucked up.

>>689294796

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2010/04/25/canadas_elite_commandos_and_the_invasion_of_afghanistan.html

Maybe not? Maybe they were the most efficient killers in the entire war on terror?

>>689293206
Yeah the fact that Trump has made it so far only confirms that he is no less 'establishment' than anyone else. People are fools to believe that Trump wants or even can change such a corrupt system. By allowing Trump to run and lose or even win, the corrupt bipartisan establishment of lobby groups lets all the pissed off revolutionists think they've made a difference and everything is fine.

Occupy wall street was a good example. For a minute people believed the economy would actually be cleansed of the corporate overlords, but it lost steam before it got anywhere, now everyone's given up and business goes ahead as usual.

>>689294213

I dunno man, mythbusters is pretty old bro.

Plus nigga I just stream whatever.

I like how the only complaint Americunts can dish is "your TV show's are far less superior"

>NZ has higher life expectancy
>less murder
>nearly 3.2x less crime
>best country in the world (voted by like2/3 international polls)
>highest quality of life index ratings
>one of the best places to study
>great job circulation
>literally no fear on the streets due to guns

feels good being in NZ bro, and we get some of the best summers in the fucking world - and beautiful tourists too

>>689294929
lol no, shit geography they are not self efficient at all, they rely on other countries for oil and food and alaska is sufficient enough entry into asia for the US, they are literally not a concern in terms of land or resources, a country would waste more money trying to take it over than it would profit from its resources. not even close in demographics at all actually.

>>689294929
They're not a real country. They're not even neighbors, they live in our fucking house.

>>689285351
Is this giving up or just awful damage control?

>>689278199
>[citation needed]
Occurrences (but not rate) of some specific crimes rose in very short term, but within expected variance, not enough to indicate statistically significant shift.
5 year smoothed average of major and violent crimes fell and continued to fall following the ban.

>>689277195
mmhmm

http://www.news.com.au/national/crime/scary-trend-in-australian-gun-crime-with-more-than-200-shooting-deaths-a-year/news-story/374b4e55fdbb1718079c36979245d50c

>>689292316
The Canadian government is weaker than you think. Social services =/= strong government. Military presence is almost non-existent in large parts of the country and things are so spread out that even if they wanted to the military would have a hard time picking on anyone. Even police forces are fairly laid back and spread out due to lower crime rates, largely because of a focus on rehabilitation instead of punishment.

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>>689285505
beautiful, wooly and tight as always

>>689296709
200 deaths a year

10.000 deaths a year

great point you're making

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>>689278796
>>689296588

Pic related. It didn't solve anything other than driving up prices and restricting firearm types. Also a decent volume of surrendered guns weren't disposed of properly and ended up back in black market circulation. Criminals still get and have guns, decent people don't,and violent crime is rising.
What's more is our soft cock legal system allows thugs to get away with basically anything, but the second you defend yourself or commit a minor infringement you're facing fines and harsh penalties. It's a load of horseshit and everyone knows it you fag enabling dick inhaler.

>>689288134
http://www.gunsforsale.net.au/product/barret-m95/

>>689290592
leave the hobbit alone

>>689299166
thread

>>689278431
Population control

>>689292316
the citizens do what they are told, so they don't need to be rounded up

>>689293561
thats why everywhere is fucked

>>689295370
walk down queen st. any saturday night and shout fuck you black cunts

>>689279815
You eurofags intelligence agencies do the same if not worse. Life on our knees eh? This is the aim of ALL governments. And poor britfags can't even own bats and knives according to the media is see.

>media I see
>media

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>>689300162

Eh wachoo seh broo?

>>689278431
i'm assuming you're from a country that used to be part of the EUand is now part of the middle east. well we have guns just for that very reason

bump because MA FREEDUM