Too son faggot

>>689251192
>way to math OP
>believable numbers
>totally not bait

>>689251192
Why would we want to stop 50 fags from dying?

>>689251192
That average in the right must've went up recently

>>689251192
Actually it wouldn't have, since they don't allow firearms in bars due to alcoholic beverages.

Anywhere else and it would have.

>>689251192
Gun in the waistband?
>who is that a zoot suiter?

>>689251695
That's the next step
>no gun free zones

>>689251192
Give every country a nuke and no one gets nuked
>mutually assured destruction

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>>689251859
Honestly, I can trust my own judgement when drinking, although I can't trust others. Not to mention that those who are in the lower brackets of IQ's... Well tend to be unable to handle their actions while intoxicated.

We need less faggots though.

>>689251192
How the fuck do you know it would have been a rampage when they were stopped at 2?

i bet everyone in that faggot bar was thinking "I sure am glad i don't have a gun right now" as they fucking died

>>689252598
They were actually thinking "I wish I wasn't a fag"

Where is the average people murdered by gun totting lunatics versus unarmed lunatics?

>>689251192
>Are you packing heat or just happy to see me?

>>689252653
>weren't
it's a conditional sentence

Number of mass shootings done by police: 0%

Number of mass shootings done by armed civilians: 100%

>>689252800
One magma

>>689251192
Neither example states that a gun was always used or not. We also don't have a total for each so we don't know if this is like-for-like.

>>689252598
I bet the last thing that crossed their minds was a bullet actually...

I'll bite. Even if those numbers were true, the actual deaths by mass shootings are strongly correlatet to gun laws and the aberage amount of gun owners/guns per owner. More guns might stop a mass shooting a little earlier, but they are also the leading cause for the mass shootings in the first place. A bunch of dumb american cunts with a bunch of deadly firearms says it all.

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>>689251192
Gr8 b8 m8 r8 8 8/8

No matter what gun nuts say the rest of the world is physical evidence gun nuts are wrong.

When the US has less mass shootings than the rest of the first world combined you can talk.

Until than you are wrong, simply wrong, unless you can ignore reality.

>>689251989
Remember the 2015 Waco shootout?

A large group of people with guns is a legitimate excuse for cops to open fire and kill every one.

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>>689253063
Cops have never done mass shootings?
>just because they didn't shoot all niggers at one time, doesn't mean they aren't mass shooting them everyday

>>689251192
nigga you just went full retard

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>>689251192
Yeah, but what about the 300,000 deaths from guns in the US for the last decade vs 75 terrorist deaths?

>>689253516
A cop being a cop is what legitimizes them killing everyone, they can think of a reason later

>>689253904
That top number just went up a bit :/

>>689252205
Require open carry in bar and make law so that armed patrons can't be served alcohol.

>>689251192
This is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. You have to be profoundly unaware of how statistics work to be impressed by this.

>>689251859

>allowing guns in bars

Jesus fuck that has disaster written all over it. Not only would drunken idiots shoot each other on purpose, but they would also shoot each other on accident while attempting to shoot the person who is shooting people on purpose.

>>689253484
>Less mass shootings than Venezuela
>less mass shootings than Afghanistan
>less mass shootings than Iraq
>less mass shootings than Mogadishu
>less mass shootings than N Korea
Sure about that buddy?

>>689254238
>natural selection
The problem will weed itself out

>>689251695
Really good idea there. Let's start allowing drunken people to carry guns. And since this is just going to burden our police and cause them to have to become even more over-militarized, why don't we just abolish police all together?

I'm sure a bunch of people who don't get along will be able to manage just fine, so long as they all have guns.

>>689254237
Impress me mr. Data scientist
What Z value should I be looking for to achieve 95% confidence?

>>689254695
I like the idea of no police, actually

What good have they done for society?

>>689254861
>What good have they done for society?
Thousands of dead niggers, hundred of thousands of nigger in jail

>>689254861
Alright, you went too far, you're either an idiot or trolling
>inb4 you actually don't understand the role of law enforcement in societal models

>>689253690
nigger what

>>689252653
You are speculating needlessly. In a large percentage of cases, we know exactly what the last thing was that went through their minds.

It was a bullet.

Badam-tsch!!

>>689255225
As overseers that keep you in line for your masters?

this graph is stupid how can you kill .3 of a person? morons

>>689255220
Like those niggers wouldn't have killed themselves anyway

>>689256185
Kill a nigger

>>689255855
Really funny and original see >>
>>689253212

>>689254192
Shot shot shot shot shot shots
>evrrrrryboooody

>>689251192
>>Obvious logical fallacy
>>Implying shooting rampages stopped by police are equivalent to shooting rampages stopped by civilians.

ITT response time
those poor fags

>>689253484
>Ignores global non-gun related homicide and violent crime rates
>Ignores statistics showing violent crime rates sorted by race

>spouts bullshit about ignoring reality...

>>689256552
They're not, because the civilians do a better job of stopping them

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>>689254356
>first world
>Mogadishu

>>689256552
>both rampages
>both shooting
>both stopped
>cops have fancy clothes

That what you mean?

>>689256556
Pulse
>how ironic

>>689251540
top kek

Shills calling themselves out after creating a legitimate thread. Call it reverse shilling...I guess.

>>689251192
All Cops are Bastards. We should all be armed and kill police.

>>689254356
"rest of the first world"

>implying N Korea is a first world country

>>689251192
Great idea! Dark crowded place you'll know exactly where the gunman is... that is of course if the person you shoot at isn't the suspect but another person trying to shoot the suspect. Then next thing you know you get shot in the back by someone thinking you're the one shooting up the place.

>>689254695

>has never heard of private security.

More jobs, safer environment, armed "civilians" who have no contact wit the alcohol. What's not to like?

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>>689257072
And forward shilling. Dutch rudder shilling.

Guns did stop the attack idiot

I say RPG's in schools! because its never the weapons fault

>>689254356
Mogadishu is the Capital of Somalia, being Somalia a country, inbreed Whiskey Tango imbecile.

>>689257081
Their people have free healthcare

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>>689251192
You really belive a bunch of gays who want to get laid, would carry? Law or not, these people would never carry.

>>689257183
I've seen private security at my job everyday and to be honest, I'd rather have Ernest from the Ernest movies protect me

>buncha jewz standing around wacking their dicks together

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>>689257517
Guns don't kill people
>I kill people

Problem is all these overblown faggot right-wing bun nuts think that their gun is going to save the world

They can nail a bullseye at 5, 7.5 and 10 yards...maybe even 15

Problem is, all of these idiots cower in fear and can barely contain themselves when bullets come at them.

That and getting taken completely by surprise

Truth is, the gun nuts are pretty much gear heads that either can't shoot or couldn't read a situation properly anyway

>>689258454
A lot of them yeah. But better them then no one.

I'm surprised at you guys.
I get here expecting fucking confetti and shit that after 9 years someone actually beat the goddamn high score.
And you guys are quabbling about gun politics like fucking CNN.

Thanks Obama

>>689256756
Not enough variables are isolated to establish anything meaningful. These data could also be explained by police dealing with larger shootings than civilians on average.

>>689258654
ok I can agree with that

no further comment

-End of line

>>689258947
>ignore everything and throw confetti
Thanks Alzheimer's

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>>689251192

>>689258957
>>689256556

>>689259000
Checked.

Full stop.

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>>689251606
It was in a gun free zone. So you're wrong.

>>689259543
>they've never been given more...only less
>it keeps happening

<image>

>>689254238

Welcome to Texas, Arizona and I believe North Carolina.

Keep your gun; just check your brain at the door.

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>>689251540
2edgy

>>689251192
Ha, yeah, because people with even less brains and training than cops are somehow going to do even better, especially after a few drinks.

>>689260120
>carefully cherry picked words, friend

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>>689259991

My personal favorite version, especially when referring to Teatards.

>>689251192
>dark, loud, packed nightclub
Yes, clearly if more people were shooting at each other then the death toll would be almost zero. Are you even old enough to go in a nightclub?

>>689253904
And like half of the deaths by guns are people kill by the Police.

Should their guns also be taken away?

>>689260712
Were you there, FAGGOT?

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>>689256054
>mfw hes for real and this isn't bait

>>689260712
Actually numb nuts, if more people were shooting at the lone gunman, there would have been fewer people killed... You are a fucking twat.

>>689260836
Fuckin hell, I forgot it was summer already and that all the middle schoolers would be here

>>689260808
For some reason, the police force has gotten to wear they can accomplish absolutely nothing without the threat of force. Its like you can't take away their guns or else everyone would realize they are incompetent in majority and shit would hit the fan.

Instead heavier indoctrination and cameras on everything. This bent system could last another 30 years...and thats a great head start for trillery danders and everyone else.

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>>689261138
>everyone is a crack shot that never misses and acts immediately and rationally
I'm not for stricter gun control but if there is anywhere that guns shouldn't be allowed is a fucking club, could anyone seriously take down an active shooter through this crowd with no collateral? And even if they could what happens when another guy with a gun shoots that guy?

>>689261791
Okay, I'll bite. So are clubs going to go the way of the payphone? Because any place that bad for guns...will in eventuality be a target for gunmen.

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>>689261138
Do you have brain parasites?

>>689251192
I sincerely doubt that in a club environment a person with a gun could've done much. I'm sure in that kind of situation people are too densely packed and there'd be too much going on coupled with it not being very bright. In other situations yeah but in this one I don't think it would've done much.

>>689262130
Just up security

>>689262418
Maybe not immediately, but after you identify who's shooting, and if you haven't been shot yet, you can shoot back and possibly stop them. But yeah a crowded night club is a bad environment for a shooting

10 dead is better than 50 dead

>>689262130
they're a target because there are a large amount of people packed into one place, not the fact they're unarmed. You also realize that you don't need to arm a bunch of drunk clubbers to make the place safe right? You could also just beef up security to stop gunmen getting inside in the first place

>>689252205
IQ =/= intelligence and decision making

>>689259754
I know at least one guy with guns in that zone. Wouldn't call it gun-free

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>>689263103
I mean considering you're probably drunk or have been drinking as well it doesn't help your odds of stopping them.

>>689263463
If you're drunk with a gun you're fucking stupid

But yeah the whole scenario is bad

>>689262942
>everywhere that needs to be safe requires security

How will we ensure the security remains loyal to the specific facility it serves without compromising the greater good?

ie it can't be a business or corporation

>>689263852
I think the best way to combat this is to just have more security. Search people on the way in and have guards in at least 3 different places so they don't all get shot at once.

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>>689251192
I see this thread, and I wonder
>Why are you not celebrating?
Yesterday Night, Faggots and Musilims died
Today is a good day.
Take a DEEP Breath
Breath that AIR
Smell That?
That's Purified air that isn't being tainted by queer faggots and nigger muslims.
>Feels goood manng

>>689263203
>a rose by any other name
>>689264346

>>689263103
>you're out partying
>start hearing a faint pop pop pop over the music
>people start screaming and running around you
You have five seconds before you're shot, spot and takedown the shooter

>>689263444
Every second we're here, faggor

>>689264346
This is a similar argument to gun control. How often do you see security guards randomly turn on the establishment they're paid to protect and instead shoot it up?

>>689261138

I am so sick of you retards asserting this fantasy.

It's actually VERY disrespectful and naive bordering on insane for you to think having a gun will make you into fucking Rambo as you heroically gun down the assailant.

A "good" guy with a gun failed to stop an active shooter "bad" guy with a gun in 99.97% of all the scenarios tested by all the police departments that ran training/simulations for them.

Got that?

ONLY 0.03% of gun owners would be effective in ANY way in doing anything other than getting mowed down by a mass shooter.

It's not the gun that will help stop the gunner. It's the FUCKING TRAINING. And the simple fact of the matter is that the vast majority of gun owners are untrained, irresponsible morons with delusions of grandeur, NOT effective counterterrorism operatives. Ironically, you can thank the dickless lunatics in the NRA for this, as they have always advocated for gun ownership rights trumping the need to be trained to properly store, use and clean said firearms.

>>689264694
Literally this, I agree that in alot of situations civilians being armed would help but not in a fucking night club

Just wanna compare this club shooting in the us, where guns are legal, to a pub shooting in sweden where guns are illegal.

USA
Single guy walks in armed with assault rifle and kills 50 people
Sweden
two guys with pistols in 2015 walks into a pub and started shooting. 2 people killed
news headlines such as "one of the most unprecedented crimes of the 2015."
This shooting also marks the first time an innocent bystander has been killed by criminal gang violence in Sweden.

You can buy assault rifles legally in the us. It's pretty fucking hard to get your hands on a pistol in sweden

I've lost track of how many mass shootings I've heard of in the us. The worst massacre I've heard of in Sweden recently was this guy with a sword who attacked a school with 3 people dead

But yeah, I'm sure your solution of adding more guns will solve alot of problems

>>689264346
What the fuck are you talking about? Are you trying to say the hired security guards might turn on the club or business that hired them? Has that ever happened before? Also you could just hire citizens as bouncers if you're worried about corporations controlling things

can we start by banning bars?

>>689260808
"half of gun deaths are by police"? Nigga, you are lying out your ass. gtfo.

>>689264694
I'm not saying it's easy or feasible, but not having a gun wouldn't improve the situation either

Granted if you're in a club drunk and partying, you shouldn't have a gun on you

>>689264766
It is not remotely similiar. How often do you see security guards thwart terrorists.

>>689265229
America tried, didn't work

>>689264955

Actually, nope. It doesn't help at all.

The only way that helps is the fear in the knowledge of the statistic that more than half of Americans are gun owners (this actually isn't true, but the bluff is effective nevertheless).

This works because guns are a pussy's weapon of choice in all scenarios and literally ANY retard of any intellect can pull a trigger. It take no skill whatsoever to use a gun. The fear of that many people walking around with that ability is that actual deterrant.

The guns themselves have proven time and again to be ineffectual.

>>689265337
alcohol was banned, not the bars

>>689265131
No stop being so obtuse. Not every threat parades in rainbow spandex.

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>>689264892
Let's try a mental exercise.
>in a club with 100+ people
>hostile walks in blasting away
>10 people are carrying a 9mm handgun with 12 rounds
What do you think the odds are that one of the ten could lay a debilitating round into the hostile?
If you say none you're a delusional liberal cuck-fuck.

>>689251192
lol totally bait, but seriously though, they dont allow guns in clubs anyways, even if guns were legal, so theres absolutely nothing that couldve been done. Letting people bring guns into clubs and bars would be the worst idea in the history of man. yes lets let drunk men with over inflated egos carry deadly firearms rofl. the fact that the 'bar fight' is actually a well known term pretty much ends the whole argument that we should be allowed to carry guns. youd have every chad bro shooting anyone that looks at women they think are their property

>>689259991
moralfag kys.

>>689265299
How often do places with adequate security get attacked?

>>689265082
>You can buy assault rifles legally in the us.
You can buy those same "assault rifles" in Sweden too with a license.
>It's pretty fucking hard to get your hands on a pistol in sweden
Be a part of a shooting club for a year, don't have violent crimes on record.
Not that hard.

>>689251192
more people die in the U.S by suicide, but hey instead of focusing on the poor medical system/drug/mental health care system. Lets focus on t3h gunz and terruhism issue, becoz.. muh freedumz

>>689265581
what are the odds that all ten could accurately shoot in a club in the dark without hitting someone other than the shooter?

>>689251192
Your pic is wrong op. You have an x8 times higher risk to get yourself the victim in a violent crime if you are armed. Owning guns solves nothing, you're just adding money to the corporate piggy banks everytime you get a gun. That's why to politicians lie to you about them

>>689265581
It's a packed crowd of people, how would you even get a line of sight? Also what if they have body armor like what happened in aurora and Tyler

>>689265898
Hitting the shooter and a few other people is better than the shooter going unopposed and killing dozens

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>>689265981
>You have an x8 times higher risk to get yourself the victim in a violent crime if you are armed

Lol no

>>689265831
a lot less than ones without

>>689266136

I wish I could use thirty year old studies in college.

Last time I suggested one, my professor laughed at me.

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>>689251192
Guns are going away just like in Australia the UN and the US have already had secret meetings by 2020 there will be no guns in America for civilian use.

>>689260808
The cops killed 140,000 people in 10 years you say? Fuck off.

>>689266309
>they don't think it be like it is, but it do.

How about we have a real security service. With trained professionals for hire. Not 12$ hour rent a cop who has 1 day of training. Like a cop service that companies can hire for all events or places with large amounts of people.

>>689251192
So what you're saying is more guns could have killed someone else.

>You're to stupid to understand how stupid you are. And the fact that you start a thread to defend gun ownership in the wake of another mass shooting only highlights your dangerous stupidity.

>Try not to get shot while writing your asinine reply that I won't read.

>>689266308
Find a newer one. I'll wait

>I don't like your proof, give me more!

>>689265581

Here's a wonderful fucking question?

You're grinding on someone else, when you hear gunshots. Instinctively, you go for your gun, when you hear gunshots from another direction, and then another.

What do you make of these people? Are they shooters, or are they good people? Who should you be shooting at, if you never saw the person who fired the first shot?

I'm more or less inclined to believe that in a dark environment, all these armed citizens will be much more inclined to accidentally shoot each other, or other innocent people, and cause even more terror.

>ITT people try and convince themselves that they are badasses that would have totally taken out that shooter and been a hero if they had been there

>>689266309
you are legit retarded if you think that is actually true then hit me up in 2020 when you can suck my dick

>>689266508
Who do they answer to? How much money do they get if they jump in front of a bullet
>jews can only use jew logic

>>689266619
^Fucking this

>>689266665
The old Obama is taking your guns away gun sale. It's a hit ever year.

>>689266620
Not really. It was planned and executed. Totally buttfucked pants down.

They don't allow guns in bars because.... um 1990s rap anyone? anyone not a fucking summer fag and remember what went on when those moon crickets were armed and dancing?

>>689266508
until they learn to use them correctly, yes.

they're to be used when there's an iminent threat, not when you can't be bothered to chase a suspect because he can run faster than you.

>>689265581
mental exercise. 10 people bring guns to the club regularly. club gets history of stupid motherfuckers shooting each other all the time. bar closes before terrorist ever gets a chance to ruin it.

>problem solved

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>>689251192
This ignorant son of a bitch in this pic dosent even have a proper holster and has a striker fire pistol he goes to the bathroom to take a shit it drops out of his pants and blows a kids brains out in the stall next to him this is why idiots and people will loose the right to bare arms.

>>689265581
Let's say you have an AR 15 and let's say you're firing off 2 rounds a second which is a little on the slow side I think, I don't really know I'm not an expert. That's 2 deaths every second. So it'd take around 50 seconds for everyone to be killed.

Let's say it takes about 4 seconds for you to figure out what's going on, by then 8 people are dead. Let's say it takes another 3 seconds for you to take out your gun, that's another 6 dead. Then you have to find the shooter, this could take you several seconds but we'll say that you haven't been shot yet and that it takes you about another 3 or 4 seconds. This is another 8 or so people dead.

So 22 people are already dead, that's on average 2 of your armed citizens. Likelihood is that you're making yourself a target by having a weapon, you're probably a little tipsy, his fire rate is probably a little higher than what I settled on and it's dark with lots of commotion.

I'd say it's not particularly likely that many lives would have been saved

http://millerreport.us/deadbody-orlando-shooting/dead-body-orlando-night-club-cops-dont-want-see/

dead body any one

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>>689251192

No

>>689266740
What about a section of the police that's a for-hire private division. How much do cops get to take a bullet?? Yet they still do all the time. No one said dive in front but at least it could buy some time till more police arrive

>>689266236
So you're saying that places with adequate security are deliberately picked out by shooters. They think to them themselves "should I attack that bar where there's no one to stop me killing a load of people or do I want more of a challenge?"

>>689267121
>>689267181
Except for the comment on the cross draw holster in OP's pic, you're both fucking stupid.

>>689267181
if you cant shoot dont comment.

>>689267384
They don't idiot. Ask any cop, its a choice. You can't bring that motivation with payment.

99% of the fags on here would say they'd have no problem taking out the shooter from a distance with the crowd going crazy , even if they'd had a few drinks still whip out their pistol and hit the shooter right between the eyes any day of the week.

>>689251192
But anon according to libruls we don't need guns because we have cops and the government. Although according to the same libruls cops are evil and racist and the government is a system that actively keeps a part of the population down so...

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>>689267502
what holster there is no holster and just trolling anyway you can clearly see the hammer it is not striker fired but there is no holster.

>>689251192
>having so many mass shootings that you can calculate the average amount of deaths when the shootings are stopped by police vs civilians
'murica

>>689267432
Wow. Kid.

>>689267181
50 people died.. so lets go with your 22 people already dead after a butload of nonsense like hurr dur i cant find the shooter wtih a rapid muzzleflash in a dark nightclub

still would have saved 28 people.

>>689253690
The police are just carrying out a really, really, long and drawn out mass shooting.

>>689267790
O but you john wayne fuckers are gonna stand up and do battle with your pistol against a terrorist... right

>>689267752
And why not

>>689268067
A war on guns should fix it.

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>>689265862
Fucking this. I support stricter gun control, but that mostly includes improving the mental health system and not letting people with mental illnesses buy guns, and also having an ATF that can actually track gun purchases, and an FBI, that can stop gun sales even if the background check takes more than 3 days.

>>689267181
Yeah, if you're a navy seal, no average person has that kind of reaction time plus it would be so crowded that you probably couldn't even see the guy until he mowed down everyone between you and him at which point he would immediately target you since you're armed and therefore the greatest threat. A more accurate model would be
>2-3 kills a second
>it takes 10 seconds before anyone realizes what's happening
>it takes you another 10 seconds to draw because of the crowd pushing past you in panic
>it takes another 15 seconds for you to see the shooter through the crowd
>the shooter, who is already in a firing position sees you have a gun and kills you
>he keeps killing people
>you died because you wanted to be a badass instead of getting out of there

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>>689267810
Hell ya i shoot better drunk anyway thats how i lernt to shoot Budweiser and guns thats what make America great how i lernt to drive to cant even drive straight if i haven't had a few you know what i mean God Bless America.

>>689268095
Except you're not taking into account all the factors I stated afterwards. You're not the guy from Wanted, however much you think you are.

>>689251192
incorrect....it took place in a gun free zone and the vast majority of gun owners also follow the law so would not have been armed

>>689266136
> 30 Years old
> More people have guns
Nigga what?

>>689268230
You're right, we should put our rear ends in the air, for your throbbing penis

>>689268343
I know my math was shitty, yours makes mores sense.

>>689267810
you dont shoot. maybe you shouldnt comment on what someone who does would do.

personally if i have a decent shot.. even if there are bystanders im still going to take shots because hes clearly not going to stop spraying bullets from his 30 round clips.. if i accidently kill someone near him, im sorry, but it has to stop.

>>689251396
the police have policies that dont allow them to enter in these types of situations. if somone had a gun on them inside the club they sure as shit would use it to defend themselves and others. lets face it though faggots hate guns so there was no saving them.

>>689268265
because it takes 1 second to draw your gun and shoot.

>>689268770
>don't allow
Haha

>>689252385
>rampage
these happen almost every day in California except the news doesn't report on it. they are called drive by's.

>>689268901
In a crowd with people rushing past you when you're probably drunk?

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>>689268770
That right there is the point Ive been waiting for all night fagots they are the problem not guns lets ban fagots

>>689268942
yes above everything else they need to protect thier own lives this leads to long delays in assistance. lets face it. if you are ever in a situation like this one the only thing that can save your life is your own gun.

>>689269162
>doesn't shoot
>responds

You let him get you 100% anon.

>>689269180
>ban fagets
>no one left
What would you do?

>>689268455
tinyurl com slash d9rbnyt

this blows your shitty argument out of the water.. just because you think you couldn't react appropriately with a weapon doesn't mean that no one can. citizens with weapons do stop shooters.

>>689269162
Plus this attack happened at 2am, there's no probably about it, everyone there was wasted

Has anyone here ever been in a shooting or seen one? Everyone is firing at everyone, and most of the shots are missing.

The chances to stop a trained man with an AR-15 before he kills you are beyond minimal.

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>>689269162
Clearly i would shoot him right between the eyes promptly re holster my weapon and retreat with everyone else and never tell anyone it was me.

>>689269617
thanks for responding for me. basically what i would have done.

>>689256238
underated

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enjoy your guns racist dumbcunts

>>689268770
The reason they have those policies is because having more people with guns in the situation immediately makes things worse and makes it more likely for the cops to get killed then actually help

>>689269884
>>689269926
>the madnes, it has began

>>689254695
You can allow guns in bars/clubs and still be illegal to carry a gun while intoxicated. I'd be fine if they asked if I was carrying and then took my license so I couldn't buy drinks.

>>689269162
Not gunna lie.. you might accidently kill someone.. but your not gunna kill as many people as you would save by stopping a gunman with an automatic rifle. having hollow points is a good idea.

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>>689269884
lol because thats clearly an American power adapter there

>>689269884
>bald
>fucky teth

Definitely not us.

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>>689269490
faggots actually believe they are the majority.
so fucking delusional.

>>689269884
I see they finally cropped out that license plate

Just going to put this here
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sEUqoN8GgUQ

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QPJVF-w0We8

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Blu-M6zyzAU

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VgofpOwtpJk

>>689251192
> Average deaths by a shooting done with easy available guns: A lot
> Average deaths by a shooting done without guns: None at all
Its pretty retarded to justify a hobby with always new retarded statistics

>>689254695
better idea you die because you believe that terrorists and criminals should be the only ones allowed to own guns.

>>689251192
Avg. police response time from the time someone calls 911: 4 - 6 minutes

Avg. response time of civilian at shooting site with concealed carry permit: 4 - 6 seconds

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>>689251192
that's some serious Douchelord Trump logic right there

>>689257181
Except that almost never happens. In fact, to my knowledge it's never happened. I'll have to dig it up but a conceal carry license holder is less like than a police officer to hit an innocent bystander. Its a tough comparison because police are coming into a violent unknown situation where someone CCing is closer to the target and has more information. Still, the facts are the facts.

>>689265370
If it takes no skill to use a gun then why aren't you an Olympic gold medalist?

>>689270435
>>689270476
Citation beefed

>>689270224
>well definitely not NOW
brb, going to hell

>>689270435
Average accuracy of a civilian in that situation: 1/10

Chances to stop a trained shooter: 0

>>689266309

I REALLY want this to be true, if for no other reason than to watch the subhuman republican "from my cold dead hands" retards getting mowed down like the turds they are.

>>689261791
It doesn't matter if someone carrying would have collateral damage, does it? Or even if the person responding gets shot by another person at the club. 50+ people died. How many would have been alive if 10 people in there had guns? Do you really think the body count would have been worse?

>>689268758

Are you so sure about that?

If I was the family member of someone you ended up shooting, and the ballistics confirmed that you had shot him...

I'd sue your ass for all that you'd be worth for wrongful death.

Only the police can determine what acceptable collateral damage is.

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>>689270898
>Only the police can determine what acceptable collateral damage is.

False.

>>689263302
>implying a hillbilly can make good decisions

>>689270328
>http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QPJVF-w0We8
lost at "no hair gel" and "dude my moms gunna kill me"

>>689270785
cosidering most gun owners shoot thier guns for fun you would be wrong. leo's usaally only do thier required maintenance shooting and thats it.

>>689251192
>>689270476
Police come to the scene and you're shooting at the shooter, police will just shoot you asuming you're the shooter. gg.

also
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/29/new-york-police-nypd-bystander-shot

>>689268901

Any other delusions you want to share with the group?

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>>689270834
They wont be mowed down they will sell their vast amount of guns in federal buy back programs and be allowed to keep the rest because they will have permits civilians will not be allowed to have.

I think any American who thinks Americans shouldn't have the right to bear arms should lose the right to vote, permanently.

>>689270897
really only one person with a gun could have taken him down. he's looking at a sea of people. thats a lot of space to survey you on the other hand know exactly who needs to get shot. see the difference.

>>689268482
More people have guns and crime has gone down since then

>>689268435
god bless america, indeed anon

>>689270898
>Only the police can determine what acceptable collateral damage is.
ya cause they went to academy?

but why do they save less lives in mass shootings than armed civilians?

if i hit someone it would be manslaughter.

and yes im sure, id take the shot.

>>689266578
More data is always better you uneducated nigger

>>689271269
no they wont. federal buyback programs offer $25 dollar per gun gift cards to walmart. you really think people are going to just give up all that property voluntarily?

>>689270897
the people with guns will just start shooting each other because they don't know if he was a lone gunman or with a group. nobody knows who's the bad guy and who's the good guy.

>>689271248
how long does it take genius?

>>689270834
> doesn't like guns
> wants to see people he disagree with shot
fucking idiot

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>>689271685
youre a grade a durp.

>>689264892
>police departments
>training/simulations
You do know these "simulations" are rigged right?

>FUCKING TRAINING
This is the rig. Most criminals have little to no firearms training, aside from "I've been to the range" that any average person can get.

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>>689271672
No they are going to bring back the gold standard and give certificates to those who turn their guns in.

>>689271685
Who cares? All 10 shoot each other and the shooter. Is the total less than 50? Then it was worth it. I honestly cannot begin to fathom the mindset that it's better to be executed than fight back. The "what ifs" of not acting is everyone dies. With those odds, anything you do is better than doing nothing.

>>689251606
Do you mean left?
There were no civilians with firearms in the club and it's a gun free zone anyway...
You're probably just a retard, though.
>>689251996
Samefag

>>689258454
I agree with this. IMO, most of the people who advocate civilians carrying concealed weapons are old fucks in the 40+ age group. The type of people, as anon said, who could win a shooting competition no problem. But when some dude is pointing a gun right at them they'll be old and shit to actually do anything unless they see something going on from afar

>>689264892
except the stats in ops picture are real and the "untrained" are saving more lives in mass shootings than they cops who are "trained"

go to the link in op's pic.

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>>689258454
it's funny because it's true!

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>>689272096
this isnt a feels thread.

>>689251192
Why did everyone line up for the shooter at Pulse? Because they all wanted to be penetrated!

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>>689272350
this is a political cartoon? wheres the wit?

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>>689271793
>youre a grade a durp
>youre
>durp
I didn't know they had internet connections at summer camp now