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Come on you faggots, one of you must have an opinion

Bump... I struggle with this too, since Lost Prophets was one of my favorite bands before, and I'm a counselor for sexually abused children :-/ . I try to think about it as supporting the other band members since they seem like their lives have been devastated by Ian's actions.

>>689219598
>supporting the other band members since they seem like their lives have been devastated by Ian's actions

Absolutely. Even if they had nothing to do with what he did - which they didn't - it'd still be hard to rebuild what they did and carry on because I imagine they would in part feel responsible for not putting a stop to it sooner. It's a shame, because I listen to some of their older music (I never liked them that much, but Shinobi was a good album) and don't know whether I can stand listening to it, knowing what Watkins did

Queen's largely regarded as one of the greatest bands of all time.

And their frontman gobbled dicks like a whore with bills to pay.

Who gives a shit.

>>689219201
Only comparison I have is Chris Benoit... Dude did some fucked up shit, but was still one of the best wrestlers, ever.
You have to separate the work from the artist as a person.

>>689219945
I mean, him being a homosexual is a lot different to Ian Watkins having sex with a baby, so...

>>689219945
That's so different. "Gobbling Cocks" may be shameful faggotry, but it's not morally wrong, IMO anyway. It doesn't hurt anyone so who the hell cares?

>>689220088
That's a good point. I was devestated when I heard what Benoit did. But then I think that was different as well - yes, what he did was horrific, but I would more blame that on the fact he was a wrestler - he was on roids and all kinds of shit, but that was in a way to be expected. Lots of wrestlers during that era were (and probably still are). So to a degree I'd say it's unexpected. Watkins, a musician, fucking a 1 year old girl is a completly different story

What did Static X do?

>>689220229
Well he got AIDS didn't he?

>>689219201
What what happened with Static X? All i know is that Wayne died from drug problems

>>689220489
>>689220531

Their guitarist, Tripp Eisen, was arrested for sexual intercourse with an underage girl. Later arrested for kidnapping and sexually assaulting a 14 year old.

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>>689220227
In some folks eyes it's the same thing, or homosex leads to fucking babies. Regardless, many people do see it as a moral wrong and still listen to the music because it's quality music.

>>689219201
No, now you know one of the members if a kiddie fiddler if you listen to the music it automatically makes you a kiddie fiddler.
It doesn't matter if the idea disgusts you it happens automatically the very second they are convicted.

Stop being a dickhead. Music is music, who the fuck cares if the guy singing it fiddled with some kids.
Just because someone committed a crime doesn't mean they should be erased from history or anything they've made be considered sinful.

>>689220944
>the same thing
Some people are mental.

>it's quality music

But that's my question - can you really detach yourself from the acts of the person/people involved in making the music, or the art?

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>>689219201
ayy I like this band too. I remember hearing their songs in ATV Offroad Fury 2 and 3.

and no. It's not wrong. Who gives a shit anyway?

>>689221047
>Stop being a dickhead.

Hey, if a musician commits a crime like theft or, fuck I dunno armed robbery or whatever bullshit, I'd be like "Alright, whatever." But fucking a child?

>>689219201

what the fuck did they do?

>>689221121
And the same answer that I've been giving. Yes. I don't give a shit about the people behind the music. I prefer not to give a shit. If Sadaam Hussein were some kind of rock virtuoso I'd probably give it a listen.

>>689220463
Benoit also had really severe cumulative concussion syndrome, which I don't understand how nobody saw coming when your finisher is a fucking flying top-rope headbutt delivered almost daily for like 20 fucking years.
But it's kind of a similar thing, though; regardless of the cause it's still essentially a mental disorder, like the urge to kiddie fondle.
It's on you to keep that shit in check by whatever means necessary.

>>689221304
Jimmy Page did it, and I think the idea of purging Zeppelin from the history books over it would pretty universally be disliked & fought against.

>>689221304
Thousands of kids are raped and killed each year. Millions of women are raped and killed each year.
Where's your bleeding heart for all of those?

All your favorite brands employ slave labor overseas, kids and women working themselves to death. Are you avoiding all major brand label goods now too?

And let's face it practically everyone famous in the 70s and 80s was fucking kids, are you simply going to pretend that those 2 decades didn't exist?
If you enjoy the music continue to listen to it. If what he did puts you off the music then don't.
The rest of us will continue not giving a shit what people do in their private life if what they do gives us pleasure.

>>689221844
Jimmy Page did what?

>>689222101
Fair point, can't argue with that.

>>689220944
yeh some people are retards well actually most in the united states are retards

>>689222129
Had a 14 year old "girlfriend" they took on tour with them everywhere for a while. Used to hide her in the hotels to keep it out of the press. Lori Maddox.

>>689219201
I still listen to Lostprophets. It doesn't really matter, listen to what you like nigger.

>>689222101
I dunno though man, when I hear Ian Watkins' voice, it's like I can't stop thinking about the fact that I'm hearing the man who did these horrible things to kids. I think it'd be easier if he was the guitarist or drummer, but I'm hearing his VOICE. Not sure why hearing a perp. is so hard for me, but then again I counsel sexually abused children all day for a living, and I think that kind of warps your thinking/experiences over time :-/ .

Fuck's sake, half of the power ballads in the 80's & 90's allude to or outright talk about fucking underage girls. And those were mostly all top 40 hits.

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buncha 16 year olds in here

>>689220944
>in some folks eyes

some folks are fucked up in the head

big burly dude can consent to sex dipshit

>>689222728
>can consent to sex

So can a teenager. Just with other clueless teenagers. You'd see teen pregnancy & STD rates plummet otherwise.

Art is apart from the artist as much as it's a part of the artist.

>>689222320
There are retards everywhere. We just have a special brand of retardation.
Say a member of a band that you dig does something you find detestable, maybe not on the level of fucking a baby, but something that totally puts you off. Does that actually go and change the art that they were a part of? Do you idolize the people behind the music that much, that listening to their shit makes you think of what they do in their personal life?

>>689222948
but a six month old though?

Gary glitter fan detected

>>689219201
fuck you

The list of rock stars through the years who fucked 13-15 year old girls is endless, David Bowie, Jimmy Page, Mick Jagger etc

They all did it, just some these days are stupid enough to get caught. Back then though no one seemed to give a fuck. Granted there's a massive difference between fucking a 15 year old girl and raping a baby. As for what you asked, I think it's okay to like their music.

Bowie was in a relationship with a 15 year old girl for a while and she lost her V to him in a threesome with him and another girl who got passed around rockstars, I still like his music though.

>>689219201
I'd say not. I never listened past the fake sound of progress but I'm not going to suddenly stop liking it because the guy was a pervert

>>689219201
The "girl" Ian got in trouble for was a 16 year old groupie...not sure if you've seen many 16 year old girls nowadays, but quite a few of them could pass for mid 20s with a kid or two...

Everybody is so worried about where everyone keeps their genitals at night.

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>>689219201
People still enjoy movies from this child molesting bastard

>>689223141
Completely different fucking story there.
An attraction to girls that have begun menstruating is an instinctual part of human fucking nature, I don't think it's ever going to go away, & we really need to stop making pariahs out of people for having it, regardless of what happens with the whole statutory law thing.
People who have sexual urges for prepubescent kids are the real fucking problem here.

>>689223141
Of course not.
But will avoiding music because a band member did some fucked up shit take it back? No! So from here you have two options. Either keep on keeping on, or kys.

>>689219201
As a rocksinger I would have probably fucked a 16 year old groupie too. Lostprophets still sucks and they sucked before, but if I would have liked them before I wouldn't stop.

>>689223559
he raped a baby as well though...

Bill Wyman fucked a 14 year old while he was in the Rolling Stones, Pete Townshend was arrested for child porn and no one batted an eyelid.

>>689222576
>I counsel sexually abused children all day for a living
Well there's your problem. I don't know how you could do that without a popping a boner every 5 minutes. Although i am a colossal pervert (read into that as you will...i'm not actively admitting it in a public place).
If you care that much about kids then you probably should stop listening to it. If i had a heart i'd probably have to do the same.

>>689223985
Pics or it didn't happen.

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>>689219201
I'm lost , what did static x do to be compared to the pedophile from lostprophets ?

>>689224103
there was videos I remember reading in the news at the time

>>689220829
So he went fully Jimmy Page

I don't know these bands, but in the case of the lostprophets faggot: yes.

In the other case: no.

>>689224236
wondering this too.

>>689224383
Page got parental consent for his.
Doesn't count as kidnapping when the girl comes willingly & the parents say "sure, fine, you're rich, whatever".

>>689224103
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-25412675

>>689222361
A 14 year old gf in those days wasn't as taboo as now. Fucking a 1 year old babby was always considered wrong.

But the prophet Muhammad fucked a 9 year old and he's still revered globally.

>>689224979
I never said they were anything near equivalent.
Never said Page really did anything truly wrong either, regardless of whether it was then or now.
People's perceptions of shit change all the time; doesn't necessarily make the act itself any better or worse.

>>689223559
Nigger he tried having sex with a groupies 1 year old but got caught before he could follow through.

>>689220829
He wasn't even their original guitarist and they fired his ass immediately.

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>>689219201

watkins is just one guy out of that whole band. the whole band worked on the music, not just that one guy.

here's a different question; is it wrong to completely shun the achievements of an entire band, and cease to play their music on the radio, just because one guy did something bad? surely the band should have just regrouped, re-recorded the best songs without ian, and re-released them.

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>>689219201
They ARE shit bands, but now that that's out of the way, no, the music is separate from the musician.

Besides, Ian Watkins did nothing wrong.

>>689219201

With any band I listen to, I have no interest in the personal lives of these people.

I didn't even know Ian Watkins name until it was spread all over the news, that's how little I care about their personal lives, I don't know these people and I will probably never meet them, so why care?

I'm willing to bet there are still devout followers of Gary Glitter and his music, I don't even want to think how many counts of kiddy fiddling he's been charge with.

Bottom line, if you personally don't know these people, why worry? If you like the music, listen to it.

>>689219201
If Hitler discovered the cure for cancer, would we not use it?

>>689225525
>re-recorded the best songs without ian

This is such an enormous pain in the ass.
Besides, multitrack allows you simply remove & re-dub an individual person's parts.

Everyone eventually gave Jerry Lee Lewis a pass after he married his 14 year old cousin.

>>689225525
I don't even think rerecording the old songs would be called for. Move on, keep making new stuff, etc etc.

>>689219201
Anyone who says they don't like the music after something happened is lying to try and fit in. I think Watkins is a sick piece of shit but the music, while pretty awful really, is still nice to listen to and I'm not going to avoid that

>>689225525
If Watkins wrote the songs he'd still benefit from royalties, when you fuck up badly and you're famous a prison sentence isn't enough.

>>689225885
Nigger, NOBODY gave Jerry a pass; that shit ended his career.
It was more the cousin part than the underage part, though; it was too much of a stereotype with him being from the south.

>>689225406
Yeah. Besides he only did 1 year for what he did and you can't hear his faggot voice on the records.

This Ian Watkins queer is a fucked up idiot who also looks extremely punchable. I hope he gets killed.

Its better to listen to an artist who's done terrible things than listen to them ONLY because of their personal life i.e. every tumblrfag ever

>>689225744
But but hitler didn't rape muh babies!

Checked

>>689219201
The fake sound of progress was one of the best albums of its time and i'd be damned if i stop listening to it just because ian started molesting kids later in his life

>>689222576
greentext some of that shit. You must have some good stories.

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Even though Steps were a pretty shit band, I'd still listen to their music despite what H did

>>689226108
The Norwegian state took all Varg Vikernes' royalties. Could be the same here.

>>689226131
I mean everyone has kind of forgiven it at this point, or at least gotten over it. Also, some of it probably has to do with the movie Great Balls of Fire. Can't blame a dude for fucking his cousin if she looks like Winona Ryder lol.

>>689220227
They're both sexual deviant acts. What's your point?

I wouldn't listen to any love or fucking songs the same way

>>689226880
>being on /b/
>not liking sexually deviant acts

>>689226803
Hell, at this point, he's practically only known for the underage cousin thing.

And I can't tell you how many times I fucking jerked off to that movie as a teenager.

Still have a thing for her, even though she's batshit & that pussy's most likely completely wrecked by now.

>>689226679
They should have done the world a favor and destroyed all his shitty music. Fuck burzum sucks so much.

Their song 'The Fake Sound of Progress' really portrays his 'unconventional sexual activities'.

>>689219201

I really like the films of Roman Polanski. He should have done jail time, but that doesn't make his movies bad.

I even like the songs that I've heard by Charles Manson.

>>689220088

Wasn't Benoit in a psychosis caused by shrink meds?

I've never even heard Lost Prophets nor heard of them until Watkins got put in jail.

>>689226272
Nigger gtfo. Their music is pure fucking faggotry. Haha. Go listen to jive jones or something.

R Kelly still has a pretty solid career considering he's fucked/married/pissed on multiple young teenage girls.

These ones are okay
>Burzum
>Chris Benoit
Roman Polanski
>StaticX
>Led Zeppelin
>Marilyn Manson / NiN
>David Bowie
>Boyd Rice
>Peter Sotos

These ones are not okay
>LostProphets
>Gary Glitter
>Woody Allen
>Cliff Richard
>Rolling Stones
>The Who
>Jerry Lee Lewis

Basically, it comes down to if you represent yourself as an outlaw artist or a cleancut mainstream act.

(Not all of these are to do with sex stuff: some are nazi related acts.)

>>689227400
Wasn't shrink meds, combination of steroids, him going to tons of different doctors & online pharmacies for opioids painkillers & shit, and this \/\/
>>689221604

>>689227655
Blacks have very different standards.

>>689227255
Same haha.

>>689219201
John Lennon was a piece of shit woman-beater, and most people still jam to his shit. It's fine. Music =/= Musician.

>>689227655
Haven't heard from that filthy nigger in a looong time.

>>689222707
No proof he actually fondled the kids. In fact, there's more evidence the parents and lawyers were lying to get his money.

>>689228166
all his wives are certified nutters though. nobody actually begrudges a man who backhands a woman who's losing her shit on him.

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Guess we ought to ban the movies Powder and Jeepers Creepers.

>>689225744
He did.

>>689226679
I know he has millions in debt, at least. Not sure how this works now that he lives in France. I think his wife earns most of his income. Would be fun if she abandons him and spills the beans.

>>689228423
>nobody actually begrudges a man who backhands a woman who's losing her shit on him
Nobody logical or sane; but there's a huge lack of that in the modern world.

Fuck what they did, if the musics good. I mean Jerry Lee Lewis married his underage cousin.

But in this case, Lost Prophets are shitty pop punk wank, you should be ashamed.

>>689228383
>parents and lawyers *were* after his money.
>the people on the sidelines wanted to see another hero fall.
>mj did fondle kids

It's like, what kind of monster parent would hand over their child to someone that knowingly would molest them? And how damaged is that person even now for being known as the one handed over to mj's bed?

But whatever, I can still listen to Bill Cosby the character, even though Bill Cosby the person is deplorable.

>>689219901
Same here. Everyone is human, and I can shrug my shoulders at a lot of people's mistakes and still listen to their music.

But raping babies is so fucking bad that it's way past the line of stuff I could ignore.

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>>689219201
>is it wrong

Not to get too philisophical, but I'm not convinced that Right and Wrong actual exist. I feel the same about Good and Evil.

More to the point, I'd give your question a definite "No". Whatever those people did doesn't change the quality of their music.
Flip it around; what if a group of people were incredible philanthropist... Curing disease/Ending hunger/Setting SJWs on fire, whatever you think is the greatest thing someone can do... but they also made music that was just ABYSMAL. Just fucking terrible; the WORST example of the music you hate the MOST...

Would you not say "Wow, those people are amazing... Can't listen to a single second of their shitty music, though."

Why would it be any different the way around?

>>689228498
Why bring up Powder? It was Clownhouse where he abused the kid. I like that movie, by the way.

>>689229224
Why the fuck would he have debts?

>>689230236
And so the tables have tabled

>>689227701
>Woody Allen
>Cliff Richard
>Rolling Stones
>The Who

What'd they do that was worse than Chris Benoit or Roman Polanski?

>>689230344

Please tell me that the name of the movie that Salva molested a kid on wasn't Clownhouse. Please tell me that I'm not in the Berenstain universe.

>>689230344
Powder is still his product. That's like saying Ian Watkins is okay as long as it's not the band's third album, because that's when he did the majority of his molesting.

>>689230236
Just because someone has great music, doesn't mean you want to listen to it though.

Music may be good or bad, but if its created by a "bad" person, then it becomes tainted with association.

It doesn't objectively change the music, but it does change whether or not you can subjectively enjoy it.

>>689230977
Very true, but that doesn't appear to be what the OP was asking.
At least, not my understanding of the question.

>>689230880
No I just wondered why he or you would bring up that shitty movie and not Clownhouse.

>>689224084
>Colossal pervert
Kek

>>689231161
Because no one watched Clownhouse. Powder through Disney and was a big hit.

>>689222576
Did any of your kids enjoy it? How long did it take you to convince them to be victims?

>>689219201
>is it wrong to still enjoy the music of a band like Lostprophets or Static-X, in spite of what their band members did?


No. Keep on enjoying it .

>>689231341
O

who gives a fuck, the difference between ian watkins and some over artist is you know what ian watkins has done, you dont have any idea all the things rich and famous people have done

>>689226880
You're a fucking retard.

>>689219201
I got that Tripp Eisen signature guitar for like 100 bucks after he got arrested. Its a great guitar

>>689224236
this

What did the guy from Static-X do?

>>689232000
In what way is he a retard? Both of those things are sexually deviant. Of course one is far worse than the other, but either way people still have problems with both things no matter the "severity".

>>689219201
>Ian Watkins
did not even know of this shitty band nor the monster...he's scum. Get a new shittyband to jerk to.

>>689232645
he's a retard for putting both on any sort of similar level. Gay adults fucking and an adult fucking a child IS FUCKING DIFFERENT. HOW AUTISTIC ARE YOU ALL?

>>689219201
why does it matter what they did? Is the music still good? if yes nothing wrong

>>689232835
Calm the fuck down. If your feelings get hurt that fucking easy then take your ass back to red dot

>>689232197
>>689232443
http://www.mtv.com/news/1497553/static-x-guitarist-charged-in-two-separate-sexual-assaults/
He was also a founding member of Dope, but they didn't get as big as Static-X

Art is art. It doesn't have room to discriminate in any way. You can enjoy art regardless of what the author has/had done, and it doesn't mean you're supporting their beliefs or anything like that. You're just making a big deal out of something irrelevant to the music. Now let's say the dude was a registered sex offender, maybe he's still raping kids, maybe not, but he's still touring with his band. You're out there buying cds and merch, supporting the band/group. Are you supporting child molestation? Fuck no. A band member's personal life gives no stipulation to the art that is made, and only serves to influence the art they create. Since all art is subjective to the person experiencing it, it doesn't make you a shitty person for enjoying it.

>>689232835
Did anybody ever say they were explicitly the same fucking thing? The point is, someone who would easily disown their own son for being gay would happily tap their foot or whistle along to bohemian rhapsody. If some shitty band member did something shitty, it doesn't mean their shitty music got any shittier. Shit yourself, assclown.

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>>689233161
take your ass back to bed kid.