>>688510001
I'm a bernie supporter, but she won the popular vote by far. So what exactly are you talking about?

>>688510205
There would be a contested run and Bernie would of had a shot, but her superdelegates stole the white house from you.

>>688510001
>like I'm gonna support a literal scam artist because I'm mad about being sammed

>>688510001

Any Bernie supporter that votes Trump was clearly just an edgy teen out to show mom and dad how rebellious against "the system" they are.

Just as bad as people voting for Hilary because ovaries.

>>688510205
The fact that the Clinton led media has been presenting HRC as having all of the Superdelegates clinched since the opening Primary. They gave her a 500point head start which made campaigning and momentum impossible for Sanders.

>>688510001
Didn't trump at first criticize the voting system in the US but later on stated that as long as he wins he's good with it?

>>688510461
It's about being butthurt over the system screwing you over.

They put the dildo up your asses, so vote Trump, and put it right back up theirs.

>>688510556
Maybe, none of that matters though. All I'm saying is go vote Trump, show the people who fucked you that you can play the game too.

>>688510378
She got more votes. Party elites deciding the election in a contested convention and overriding the democratically chosen winner would have been bullshit.

If she really gets the nomination in July, then I will vote for Trump. Not because I think he would make a good president, but because Congress would come to a complete fucking halt. None of his dumb shit will get passed.

Clinton, on the other hand, is a wild card. She's either going to not do a god damn thing and try her damned hardest not to shit the bed to prove that a woman can be competent enough to hold office, or she's going to do something completely fucking drastic to cement her "legacy" as the corrupt, war hungry, criminal bitch she is.

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>>688510457
So we can trust you won't be supporting Shillary, young goy?

>>688510814
But as it stands you got no shot, at least then you'd have the chance.

don't get me wrong, I liked Bernie for democrat nominee, but I want Trump in the office for the lulz.

>>688510908
this

>>688510677
>implying Trump wont just put the dildo up our asses
>implying he wont just help his cronies

>>688510001

>you supported your candidate to end corporate cuckoldry, so now you should support a candidate who will make it ten times worse

kek no thanks m8

Knowing how to lose is as important as winning kids.

>>688511057
You must be a minority.

My condolences.

>>688511145
No, you should support a guy who is the worst possible choice to show how angry you are.

>>688510983
I don't want bernie to become the nominee after he got less votes. The fact that he lost in a democratic contest and now can't somehow still win is a good thing, it means voting actually mattered.

>>688511273
You need a certain number of delegates for the nomination sir, and Hilldog got hers by using the cheating superdelegate system, not because she had legit votes, she's still short of the requirement.

A contested nomination is logical, and Bernie stood a shot.

>>688510548
I agree this was a little bullshit, and put him at a disadvantage, but I don't think it was enough to completely stifle his chances.

>>688511531
What are you talking about, these superdelegates are the very reason you lost.

There was no way bernie could of made up a 500 point lead on voting while Clinton sat on her 500 supers, it's just not realistic, and the fact he's still close to her says a lot.

You got jipped.

>>688511430
Look, they were trying to do the same thing on the republican side by keeping Trump under the required amount of delegates with the intention of fucking him out of the nomination at the convention, and it would've been wrong. I think most people can agree that whoever has the most votes should be declared the winner. Otherwise your votes really don't count.

>>688511904
It doesn't matter to me what the republicans were doing.

You got screwed over by the Clinton machine, what are you going to do about it?

>>688512074
Voting for Trump in protest.

>>688510001
Well a max contract differs in value based on the age of the player and how long he's been in the NBA...look at Kobe for example. He's set to make $30 million a year for this season and the next. Why? Because he's been in the league for like 16 years and he's spent it all with the Lakers. The way contracts work is that the longer you are in the league, the older you are, and the longer you have spent with a team, then the more money you can negotiate for. That's why sign and trades are so frequently done: by first re-signing with the old team, the player can get more years and more cash for the contract, then get traded to his new team. It has something to do with Bird rights or whatever...basically if Love were to sign somewhere else, he couldn't negotiate for as much money or years as if he re-signed with Minnesota. Plus, he hasn't been in the league for that long, which is why his salary cap is around $60 million. Did you know that Derrick Rose just signed a contract like that earlier this season by the way? Reigning MVP, only 23 years old, and he had a rookie contract last season. Yup, he earned like $800,000 last year. Shocking, isn't it.

>>688511770
You're right, the psychology at the start was tilted in her favor because of all the super delegates. But i'm not completely sold that he could've beat her if they both started at zero, and there were only pledged delegates. She's a Clinton, she's well known, she dominated in the south because it's full of minorities who are used to going out to a voting booth and pressing "Clinton", and she came out looking as a pragmatist with realistic plans. Bernie, on the other hand, was completely unknown and a lot of his plans seemed too good to be true and unattainable.
I 100% agree that the super delegate gave her a starting edge, but I just don't think he was a strong enough candidate going up against the Clinton machine.

>>688512074
I think you're missing my point on purpose: the fact that Clinton got more votes, and won, is a good thing. And if Bernie, who lost in a democratic process, somehow became the nominee, that would be a really bad thing.

>>688512074
And I'm going to do whatever I can to make sure Trump doesn't get elected, because I'm not a child and can suck it up when my candidate didn't get the support needed in a democracy.

>>688512814
You aren't nominated because you had more votes, you are nominated because you reached X votes.

Failure to do so results in a contested run, and that would of been the ideal situation for you guys.The supers fucked you over, fucked me over, and now Trump will be president to make a point.

>>688510001
Eurofag here, what was the "super delegate scam"?

>>688512988
Clinton != Bernie.

You can't just automatically support the person they decided you are voting for. Protest this bullshit.

>>688510548
Not to mention the near media blackout of Sanders for the majority of the race. And then asking him when he's going to drop out in every fucking interview.

I'll never vote for Hillary, but that doesn't mean I'd vote for trump either. I predict a strong turnout for Jill Stein.

>>688513010
Yes and that's not a good system. The person who ultimately gets the most votes should ultimately be the winner. What don't you understand?

>>688513052
>too lazy to google super delegate
You sure you're not an amerifat

>>688511234
lol

All you poor whites are so easily fooled. Trump isn't going to help you. He just panders to your ignorance. The rich have been fucking you for years, but you're more than happy to blame everything on the Mexicans.

Useful idiots.

>>688513102
I'm deciding to vote for Clinton. Voting for Clinton is the best way to avoid a Trump presidency. And I really don't think it's bullshit, as I've laid out in earlier posts.

>>688510001
That's the plan

>>688511770
The superdelegates are stupid, but they aren't why Bernie lost. He lost because the corporate media has been cheerleading for $hillary since day one, and the over 45 crowd does whatever the TV tells them.

>>688513546
And just to make it clear, I still think Hillary Clinton is a giant cunt and a smarmy politician.

>>688512074
I'm voting Green party.

Fuck Trump. Only the retarded or uninformed are going to vote for him. (Sadly, that's more than enough to get him the win)

>>688510001
It's war! we're going to war!

>>688513683
People over 45 were also a little skeptical of his plans and his ability to carry them out with this dog shit congress. Pragmatism played a big roll in Clinton winning.

>>688513929
>Pragmatism
Don't make me laugh.

>>688514332
You don't think people heard "free college" "free healthcare" and "democratic socialism" and thought twice?

>>688510001
Fuck you and

Fuck Trump.

>>688510945
>young goy?
shut up hivemind faggot

speak English while you're at it

>>688513929
>People over 45 were also a little skeptical of his plan
[citation needed]

>>688513929
>Pragmatism
>guessing why someone won

faggot

>>688514811
>>688513683
>and the over 45 crowd does whatever the TV tells them.

[citation needed]

>>688514571
I don't think they thought much at all. The TV said Sanders is crazy and Clinton is the best choice, and they did what the TV said.

Take All the Super Delegates away she still slammed his behind . Nice trolling loser go make out with your cousin Hillbilly .

>>688515146
Didn't make that claim

still waiting for a citation on this
>>688514811

Trump is a cancer that only uneducated people that live in caves and bang their sisters would support.

Trump is like a dump in the toilet that no matter how many times you flush it won't go down.

>>688515439
If you can't use your brain and see why that's good conjecture, you're a moron. This is literally the only complaint about Sanders I've heard talking to older people.

>>688515965
I don't care what you think it is.

I asked for proof, and you're just being a faggot doing damage control; now.

Fuck off.

>>688515965
>http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/22/politics/bernie-sanders-seniors/
>"People our age are tired of all the flash in the pan stuff and we would like to see something get done that we agree with. And in that regard I think Hillary is a much stronger candidate than Bernie," said Chuck Sweetman, "I don't think his is electable and I don't want the White House to go to a Republican."

>>688510001
Whether you support Bernie or you support Trump we can both agree on one thing. This election has been bought and paid for and the fix has been in since before it started. the media has wanted hillary to win, which is why they are calling her the winner even though its not physicality possible for her to have the legal amount of delegates needed at this point.

all of her superdelegates supported her before one single vote was cast. If that isnt a fix, i dont know what is.

as much as I despise trump because he has no grasp on reality and doesn't have the experience or have any real ideas that have worked or will work other than in his fantasies, id have to take a narcissistic asshole over a liar, murderer, and criminal anyday.

If the DNC is going to nominate hillary even though she is losing in the polls to him compared to bernie beating him, its the DNC's fault that they lose the election, it isnt bernie supporters fault, and the DNC is responsible for their failure. If they nominate hillary, they will get 4 years of Trump. Don't be dumb DNC.

>>688516119
who the fuck is Chuck Sweetman

>>688516272
>Don't be dumb DNC.
too late now

they're doubling down on that shit

Has anything positive ever happen with a Republican in Office for anyone besides the rich and big corporations? Republican policies are just plain RETARDED.

>>688516510
Yeah. Try 6 trillion dollars flushed down the toilet under Bush invading Iraq.

And Trump wants to put "America First" so you know that means some military dickwaving.

>>688513929
It's ironic too, because all of hillarys old supporters have been getting fucked over by the very same system that Bernie is trying to abolish. It's like they are literally too dumb for their own good. Or the black people in the south voting for hilary.

How are you going to vote for the wife of the guy who imprisoned more blacks and ruined more lives than any other president? People are fucking dumb.

Irony right?

>>688516678
I hate to say it, but blacks trust Clinton because she's rich.

Sanders, not so much. If he were rich, they'd probably listen to him. Plus he's a white Jew, too. If there's anything oppressing minorities has accomplished, it's passing on the racism as acceptable behavior.

>>688511057
Who are his "cronies"?
Ivanka and Sleepy Ben Carson?

We know who Hillary's are...
>goldman sachs
>wall street investment firms
>foreign countries' representatives

I'm pretty goddamn positive they aren't planning to help me anytime soon.

>>688516915
Don't older blacks trust Clinton in part because of their familiarity with her husband?

>>688513339
Lurk moar.

>>688513496
underrated post

>>688510001
>support science denier that wants to disband the EPA
yeah, I'd sooner burn in hell.

>>688517107
They trust the Clintons because they have done more for the poor and middle class than 90 percent of presidents.

>>688517107
Not to mention Clinton left office with a surplus of Cashhh!! Money was literally growing on trees

>>688510001
Enjoy your robot leader America.

>>688517245
Bullshit. Lip service is not "doing more for the poor."

Clinton cut social programs. Blacks trust them because they don't openly speak out against minorities like Republicans do, they just go along with Republican policy.

I'm not going to vote at all and I never planned on it anyway so eat shit

>>688517584
Republican policies 1. Pro-life: Yes, the people who love guns, war and the death penalty are also the very same people who claim to be the “pro-life” party.

>>688517584
2. Christianity: A faith based on a man who preached love, hope, giving, acceptance, helping the poor and for society to take care of the sick and needy is used to manipulate millions of people by pushing hate, fear, greed, judgement, intolerance, vilifying the poor and opposing health care for all. In other words, Republicans claim to be the “party of Christian values” – by representing almost none of the values for which Jesus Christ stood. 3. Religious freedom: The people who are the first to throw a fit whenever they feel their “religious rights are being trampled on,” are literally trying to defend “religious freedom” by complaining that they’re no longer being allowed to force their religious views on others. Just let that sink in for a moment. 4. The Second Amendment: While gun fanatics almost always use the part of the Second Amendment that states “shall not be infringed” to defend their belief that gun regulations are unlawful, they ignore the very first part of the Second Amendment that literally starts out by saying “A well regulated militia.” As in, the right to bear arms should be well regulated. 5. Small government: It’s always amazed me how the people who claim to be for “small government” policies are also the same people who want the government to define marriage and be able to tell women what they can or cannot do with their own bodies. These are also many of the same people who support women being forced into highly invasive medical requirements – including transvaginal probes – before being allowed to exercise their Constitutional right to have an abortion.

Here I am hoping that Bernie decides to run as an independent or as a Green Party candidate.

Trump v Hillary v Johnson v Bernie would be the best thing to happen to the US. It'd be proof that we don't have to continue along the idiocy of the two party system.

>>688517584
6. Guns: Despite the fact that we lead the industrialized world in gun violence – and have more guns than any other industrialized nation – Republicans continue to insist that the “solution” to gun violence is… more guns. 7. Gun violence: A perfect example of this came recently. When a Christian terrorist executed a mass shooting at a Planned Parenthood, Republicans did absolutely nothing. Literally, there wasn’t a single mention or push by the GOP to do anything. Yet, when two Muslims performed a mass shooting in California a few days later, that was enough for Republicans to declare that the president hasn’t kept us safe; that terrorists are thriving among us; that an all-out war is necessary against terrorism; and even led to the leading GOP candidate for president pushing for a ban on all Muslims entering the United States. Two shootings – both religiously motivated – and Republicans only reacted to one. Oh, and they blocked legislation that would have kept suspected terrorists from being able to legally buy guns. 8. Fiscal responsibility: There hasn’t been a Republican president who has balanced the budget since the 50’s. So, how exactly are Republicans the party for “fiscal responsibility” when the last three Republican presidents have added trillions to the national debt? 9. The Constitution: Currently, the Affordable Care Act, abortion and same-sex marriage have all been deemed Constitutional – yet these are three Constitutional rights Republicans continually try to violate. In fact, pretty much any time a right they don’t think people should have is deemed “Constitutional” they do just about everything within their power to violate that right.

>>688517584
10. Loving the United States: Conservatives hate: The government. Liberals. Immigrants. Any religion other than Christianity. Women who want control over their own bodies. Minorities. Yet, they claim to love the United States. How can a group of people love a country when they seem to hate its government and most of the people living in it?

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>>688510001
Bernie supporters will now divide into 4 categories. Let's see what happens in each scenario.

(1) Majority to Trump
>This actually forces the democratic party to change
>Trump will win the battle, but you'll win back control of your party
>they can't afford to lose such a large portion of their base, and will hardcore pander to you in 2020.

(2) Hillary
>she wins the race
>you all lose any remaining self respect by voting for the G-sachs/Wall street candidate
>the cycle continues, the party doesn't have to change for you since they know you'll never leave

(3) Majority to: Greens/Libertarians
>Has the potential to actually bring down the two party system in 2020
>Republicans and Dems are both fracturing
>you might get to stay true to your principles, and hurt the establishment, but you'll most likely not win in this cycle.

(4) Stay at home, ignore the rest of the year
>probably best decision for your mental health
>country is going to be high tension, high energy, high violence for months
>winner= toss up

>>688517992
Yeah, they're pro life until you come out of the womb. after your mom has you, your on your own. Especially if you're black.

They aren't pro life though, they're just anti women. Just like they're anti anyone that isn't an older white gentleman.

You're right though it is really ironic that they claim to be pro life but they send 18 year olds to go die in Iraq in an unjustified war. Just no brains whatsoever.

>>688518209
>lets give all our guns to the racist trigger-happy police!
-The post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE

>>688517992
Yeah but Clinton totally caved in to that shit. Poor blacks still couldn't get abortions and Republicans put restrictions on abortion care.

Clinton is not a liberal. If he had been, he would have pushed for liberal policies, not let the Republicans walk all over him.

There is no fucking way in hell that stupid, bigoted, megomaniac and FAILED businessman will ever get my vote.

>>688518209
Tobacco products kill many times more people than all gun related deaths (suicide, homicide, and accidental combined).

Obesity related illnesses kill people ate rates right behind that.

Add alcohol and cars to the mix and you will save many times more people by getting Americans to quit smoking, eat healthy, drink less, and drive safely than you will by somehow making firearms disappear from the face of the earth.

Source: Center for Disease Control

>>688518058
Again, doesn't matter. Clinton's actions show that he did not produce any policy that benefited people of color, and actually cut programs that helped minorities.

You can blame it on the Republicans all you like, people elected Clinton to enact change. That comes with sacrifices Clinton did not make.

>>688518209
>>688518267
not disagreeing
but you are distracting from valid criticism against the Clinton Years

>>688518058
>>688517584
Jesus christ are you me? Fucking religious freedom is so autistic. It's freedom of religion, not freedom to have special privileges because you're christian. I know exactly what you mean when you say that they are defending it by saying they're the victims. LOL.

Also yeah, I'm not anti gun or anything, but people trying to defend their right to own a weapon with bullshit lies and arguments are the worst. The 2nd amendment was written in a time with muskets, not automatic assault rifles than can take out an entire group of people in 3 seconds. They think that it means everyone should own a gun, when in reality, it was written for citizens to revolt against a tyrannic government. the 2nd amendment was never written to be interpreted as everyone should get a gun. Whoever thinks that has autism and can't read or comprehend or shit.

inb4 the "the first amendment was written before the internet, does it not apply anymore? argument- The first amendment guarantees free speech. Speech has been around for hundreds of thousands of years. That argument is dumb when you compare it to weapons. You hit the nail on the head though.

>>688518461
Republicans want babies to be born so they can send them to war

>>688510908
holy fuck this

I'm a berniebot but this this this

>>688517245
>keeping them in an endless cycle just above the poverty line

You need some Friedman in your life friend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKc6esIi0_U

>>688518771
Smoking tobacco is a choice. Drinking alcohol is a choice. Eating shitty food is a choice. If you do these things you understand you might die early, people still do them.

Getting shot in the face when you're at a school by some autistic kid that has bad social skills isn't a personal choice, you fucking idiot. How are you seriously dumb enough to use this comparison? Lol. Jesus fucking christ people are dumb.

>>688510001
Your a retard
Clinton has more electoral votes than Bernie and trump
We at Bernie HQ understand that.
To all our supporters stay calm, in the next few weeks Bernie will be fully supporting the Democratic Party and Clinton for president.
Trump tax plan is the complete opposite of what Bernie believes
To all the trump supporters
How do you feel knowing that you probably pay more tax than trump?
Trump doesn't support 15hr minimum wage
Trump doesn't support equal pay
After all the insults to Mexicans, blacks, poor people and after his tax plan
How can you support a candidate that wants the 1% to pay less in tax?
He claims apple will make the iPhones in the US. And that carrier will have to pay a higher tax for their products made outside the US.

>>688519140
>>688510908
yeah but no

The Republicans want what Trump is proposing
1. a Wall
2. Tax Cuts
3. Banning suspected terrorists

They'll just water that shit down, and you would have helped Trump get elected to do it.

Abstain or vote 3rd party if you don't like Hillary. Don't vote for fucking Trump.

>>688519042
>muh muskets!
>muh militia!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CquUBWHU2_s

>>688519321
Guns violence is incredibly rare. It just gets massive media coverage when it happens. Stupid "think of the children" soccer moms and their cuck husbands are the reasons guns are even an issue.

>>688519582
>Guns violence is incredibly rare
No it isn't.

And it's not un-Constitutional to ask for increased background checks.

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>>688519044
Are you 12?

I'm pro choice, but that's a retard-tier post.

>>688519529
If we vote Trump, either his policies get watered down and his original followers start to realise how moronic they were, or he actually goes through with his policies and his original followers start to realise how retarded his policies were.

I don't see how we can lose

But anyway if all goes to shit I'm not voting

>>688519816
Not at all. Republicans claim to care about life in the womb, but they put this country into a state of war to jeopardize citizens. Is that better? And yes, some of them die in their stupid police actions, like Iraq or Afghanistan.

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>>688519754
Stop drinking the kool-aid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#United_States

>>688520030
>I don't see how we can lose
that's the problem

You think Trump is going to be contained as President, when reality says he will have a shitload of resources to use that he can fuck shit up. We're still paying for Bush's mistakes nearly two Presidents later. Think of the fuckups Trump could cause.

>>688519548
Tried watching for a few minutes and he literally did nothing but played clips the whole time and just regurgitated the same 50 words that republicans say all the time. Not impressed, and it isn't even that I think it only applies to muskets, it's that the amendment (if you can read) clearly says use it to regulate a militia and fight back against the government.

Some kid with a low IQ buying a gun at a gun show and shooting up his 5th grade recess isn't a well regulated militia.
>>688519582


Yes, its somewhat rare (people getting blown up by cannonballs is rare too, doesn't mean it doesnt happen). It still exists quite often and it being 'rare' (not true) is no reason to write it off and totally ignore it when it doesn't happen in other countries lol.

>>688520133
There is no "kool-aid." We've had major gun violence incidents nearly every month since Obama took office.

You're not going to handwave away the need for additional background checks.

Bernie kinda did get fucked by super delegates in a momentum sort of way. Hillary started with a 500 delegate lead. So say for the first 1500 delegates, he'd need to have 66/33 wins consistently to just break even. The democrats use of super delegates and strictly proportional delegate awarding guarantees the DNC puts in who they want. To be honest, people have been saying this from the beginning. The system beat Bernie before he could even make it to the starting line because the establishment doesn't care about the voters. It'll be interesting to see if Bernie supporters take that lying down or if they keep fighting the Clinton establishment.

>>688513683
the over 45 group has more life experience, sure, but they don't even read huffington post, so they're like, stupid

>>688520394
The Dems are too powerful. The only way to fight them is to watch them trip themselves up on their own arrogance and vote 3rd party. This could well be the year that The Green Party gets a huge boost in voter participation.

We need to break away from the 2-party system.

That's the wake-up call here. And then next eliminate the Electoral College.

>>688520538
That's bullshit to think that everyone who's liberal is under 25. Hell Huffington is RUN by people over 40.

>>688520099
Democrats are just as blood thirsty as the Republicans, get off your high horse.
>Obama can't stop bombin

Dems just moan and bitch about war every 5 minutes because they care more about virtue signaling.
>otherwise the people might get upset about the civilians we blow up everyday

>>688520394
Yeah, exactly. The fix was in for Hilary before one single vote was cast. Not even including the massive voter supression (closed primaries, votes missing, dead people voting for hillary, poll stations closing, votes getting thrown away), Hillary had this thing won before all of that. This isn't a democracy lol

>"Scam"

Kek, stay mad

>>688510205
And closed primaries. 43% of voters in the us are registered independent, not allowed to vote in closed primaries.

>>688510001
Yeah, good chance i'll vote for trump just to see the world burn. The US is like an addict that needs to hit rock bottom before they accept help. Fastest way there? Trump.

>>688520610
Eh, having tons of multiple parties wouldn't be so good either tbh. If we had the four most recognized parties participate, someone could win with 30% of the vote.

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>>688520371
We're number 1 in gun ownership per capita
>112 guns/100 people
We're number 112 in homicides per capita

I ain't no fancy statistics guy, but it seems that there is not a strong relationship here.

>on the other hand...

>>688512351
+1

>>688513226
Mostly this. Pile closed primaries on top of that and there was no way the cunt wouldn't get it at the convention.

>>688520694
>Democrats are just as blood thirsty as the Republicans
bullshit

>>688520694
you probably taxation is "theft" too, don't you?

>>688521177
>someone could win with 30% of the vote
yeah but that would cause a shitstorm

>>688516999
Surprisingly succinct post.

I wonder what the NSA's machine learning algorithms that profile people have concluded about Clinton. They clearly know everything about her and I bet there have been a few laughs about her actions. I am curious as to what kind of person she has been profiled to be with all the data they collect.

>>688521241
Yeah but doing nothing is irresponsible

we have to find a way to keep guns out of the hands of people who want to cause harm
and strengthening the responsibility of gun ownership is a Constitutionally-supported means to do it.

>>688518401
Not bad, but i think 1 and 3 fractures both parties. Look at the primaries. Even the DNC was disgusted with trump, and it looked like most of them didn't even realize that is how the pubilc sees their party, and they're nurturing this bs.

>>688510001
Oh, fuck. US citizens have no idea what democracy should be like.

>>688519042
>People aren't allowed to have assault rifles
>allows citizens to revolt against tyrannic government

Pick one. Unless you think your musket will keep the tyrannic government with assault rifles at bay.

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>>688510908
HRC as a wild card? You mean the woman who has been in major politics since the '90's? Her administration would basically be an extension of Obama's, which REALLY wasn't THAT bad. Congress and the Republicans might actually have to work with her facing the prospect of 8 more years. Trump, on the other hand, is the REAL wild card. He might be a good prisident, he might even be great, but most odds (85%) or so say he'll be lousy.

>>688520263
But the 2 biggest mistakes we're still paying for are the war and the crash. Do you think those aren't still possible under hillary? I think another market crash is MORE possible under hillary, cuase she'll work ahrder to get her pals loopholes, whereas trump is just a dumb fuck.

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>>688521405
you probably think taxation is "voluntary" too, don't you?

>>688521554

Almost trips and then someone woulda replied...

>>688520610
I think fracturing the 2 parties is more plausible than boosting a 3rd to power. So I'm thinking i'm going from bernie to trump. In strategic voting, to hurt dems more, it's better to cast for trump than 3rd party.