>>688211523
not in our lifetime so who cares

>>688211523
nah man
more like "move the room around you"
also known as warp

Physically impossible.
Pretty awesome though

>>688211656
faggot
>>688211742
the practical result is basically the same, you get to move in space in FTL speeds
>>688211775
we do not know that yet

>>688212030
We do know that. Look it up, dumbass.
Jesus Christ..

>>688212030
>we do not know that yet

Well, according to our current understanding of physics, nothing with mass may travel AT or ABOVE the speed of light.
Though maybe there's a way around it? I hope.

Anyway like I said, pretty cool

>>688212156
Yeah, I think I read something that said it would take all the energy in the universe to accelerate a particle up to light speed.

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>>688212191
google that
pic relevant
>>688212156
know that we can or cant? also pic relevant, the theory is there but to be sure we have to advance enough to test it, so imho we still don't know

>>688211523
Our thoughts are faster than the speed of light

>>688212156
>implying we have enough knowledge to declare something like this as a certainty
>implying you're not actually just a retard

>>688211523
Topkek
>faster than lit travel requires the vessel to have no mass
>no mass nigga
>how
100% impossible all things considered, maybe with wormholes but no one knows half a shit about those anyways

>>688212627
nice thumbnail

>>688212727
>implying anyone will ever love you

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>>688212156
True but something like the alcubierre drive allows FTL without violating any laws as no matter moves faster than light technecly.

In reality it simply moves space and the ship is pulled along with it but the ship dosnt really move at all within the local space time.

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>>688212627
>259x194 image

>>688212742
>faster than lit
Holy shit my post got 420 really quickly, faster than light

>>688212487
But the universe is expanding faster than light speed.

>>688211523
It's the only way to, as it's said, avoid being content with being stranded in our own galaxy for a finite amount of time, "connected". Given we survive that long.

It's also an alleged gateway to some really interesting and frightening things that, for the most part, have only been "recreated" or "replicated" in terms of a light show with theory work behind it.

>>688212742
>one purported instance of faster than light travel requires the vessel to have no mass
FTFY

>thoughts
It's fast.

>>688212755
>>688212883
fuck you guys find a bigger yourselves, do i have to do everything in here?

>>688211775
Quantum entangeled electrons seems to react on the other electron if it turns faster then light can go the same distance

>>688212932
>some parts of the universe are expanding faster than the speed of light for the time being as far as we can tell
FTFY

>>688212850
THIS

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>>688211523
Warp. You'll have to warp space and enter subspace to go at FTL speeds. Then you have transwarp, slipstream, etc. Going by what we currently know about Physics though, it'd seem impossible.

>>688212742
The key to FTL is not to move at all, move space around the ship, matter can't accelerate within normal spacetime but if you move a bubble of spacetime by expanding and contracting spacetime you can send a ship to destinations faster than light without moveing the ship at all.

>>688213044
Why aren't you outside playing with your pals, kiddo?
It's a lovely
>summer
day

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Ivery been thinking about this recently, you know how the gravity of a black hole is so strong light can't escape? Maybe we can find some way to use massive amounts of gravity to our advantage
>pick related

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>>688212487
Yes. the thing is that you dont move the spaceship at all. You create a bubble of spacetime around it and move the bubble. This has been done before. Someone created a warp field around an electron and moved it faster than light. Doing this with an actual space ship would require an inmense amound of energy, which we simply cannot generate yet.

>>688212850
>alcubierre drive

The Alcubierre drive relies on "exotic matter", which is something that has, in essence, negative mass, and because of that also moves backwards in time. So if you show me some backwards-in-time matter, I can show you a warp drive.

Not gonna happen.

>>688212883
Nice meme

>>688211523
Anyways
>implying ftl travel will be possible, ever
>implying by that time the human race still exists
>implying ftl will be invented

>>688213174
Subspace isn't real

However a concept of a warp drive does exist that dosnt need subspace.

>>688213236
>and time travel
I thought time couldn't go backwards tho.

>>688213215
Death. If not death, the supposed violation of causality and some backwards-ass shit.

I'm talking attempting to escape a black hole the size of 10,000 suns by going "FTL", and ending up in a random spatial coordinate in 860 A.D.

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>>688213434
>subspace isn't real
How do you know?

>>688213499
Yes it can. Check out some videos on quantum mechanics

>>688213076
Indeed, so it's possible for matter to go faster than light speed, If galaxies are travelling away from us faster than the speed of light, and Galaxies are made from matter.

>>688213264
Please look up "negative energy" and the "casimir effect"

The original metric required exotic matter however newer ideas say you can use negative vaccume energy to achieve the same effect.

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>>688213215
I saw that movie.

>>688212720
Wrong

>>688213681
No it can't
It can slow down it can't go backwards

>>688213197
That's what the do in futurama.

>>688213499
Look up "closed time like curves" time can go backwords

>>688213633
Subspace as in Star Trek subspace is as of right now fictional.

>>688212720
Are you retarded? Our thoughts are electrical impulses.

>>688213796
retard

>>688213821
On an athomic level time seems to go backwards

>>688213434
>Subspace isn't real
Subspace is theoretical so its possible, you retarted faggot.

>>688214057
Do you even realise what time is?

>>688214006
Technicly they are electro chemical and rely on chemical signals and ion flow, so they move much slower than electricity in a wire.

A nerve impulse for example only travels around 400 km/h or some shit.

>>688213264
Is that the same as anti matter?

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>>688214000
>is as of right now fictional.
k

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>>688211523
It's impossible according to Einsteins equation for how mass changes with velocity

>>688213957
Bc its the same thing. If the ship moves or the universe around it... same thing

>>688214275
But Einstein could be wrong.

>>688213785
The Casimir effect is negative *relative* vacuum energy, not absolutely negative. Not unless you're reading the crackpots that are overreading the experimental results.

>>688214057
No it doesnt

>>688214275
You know you can achieve FTL without moveing at all right?

Read the rest of the thread, it's impossible to accelerate faster than light or even to light speed but loopholes do exist.

>>688213778
Well, see, the problem is that it may not be impossible for matter to go faster than the discerned hard limit that any particle can travel (light speed). Exactly what is doing it, is up for debate still.

What isn't a great thing to do, is accelerate a shuttle with people inside to even fractions of light speed greater than the total amount of potential energy for the entire shuttle, plus people, as they are in their current forms. People and shuttles... aren't galaxy-sized. We'll behave differently, as a unit. For the time being, people are still being surprised about even gravity.

You will vaporize them, most likely. Bad end. It seems more agreeable to avoid speeding yourself up directly.

>>688214204
Well no, its something we experience wether its a 4th dimention or something else i have no clue

>>688214416
Until someone proves otherwise he is not wrong

>>688214573
Y'all don't even know about the proposed concept of spacetime.

>>688211523
Never going to happen. Longevity/robots+time is the way to go.

Dark matter. If we could polarise neutrinos as to get an intense enough beam of them, as to warp spacetime itself, propulsion manipulating fields would be possible rather than using dumb Newtonian rockets we have now

>>688214462
If u say so

>>688214144
Reprasing my wording its a possibility

>>688214000
>closed time like curves

No one has ever published a possible cosmology with CTC's in it that's consistent with observation.

And before you shout WORMHOLES, those have never been observed either. In fact, exotic matter was invented by Kip Thorne to show that an Einstein-Posen bridge (that is, a GR wormhole) could be stabilized by it. But exotic matter doesn't exist, wormholes don't exist, and there's no reason to believe in the existence of CTC either.

>>688214573
It's how humans comprehend the progression of things
>time isnt a thing
>if its not a thing it can't go backwards

>>688213216
[citation needed]

>>688214435
It's a verified phonamenam that shows negative energies can exists within space time.

Also

The Alcubierre drive us being toyed around with at the Johnson spaceflight center at NASA

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White%E2%80%93Juday_warp-field_interferometer

If it was 100% impossible you would think they wouldent waste their time.

>>688212850
a fucking football lol

>>688214698
I do... its the idea that time and space is one and the same....

>>688214275
>impossible according to Einsteins equation

You're relying on Special Relativity, not General Relativity, which is, as it says on the tin, more general.

>>688214496
Futurama isn't real faggot

>>688214797
so much shit that faggots like you called impossible has been proven possible given enough time and advancements in technology. We just have to wait.

>>688214797
Warm holes probably do exist at the quantam foam level but they are very small and short lived.

CTCs are still a valid idea that's being looked into and we don't know if exotic matter exists or not, but we do know negative energies exist.

>>688211523
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0nEULuBxDpd

>>688215005
The first 4 or so seasons had alot of crew with education in fysics

>>688214496
>but loopholes do exist
>loopholes
>loopholes in reality
>implying
Do you think this is a video game or something?

>>688214875
>verified phonamenam that shows negative energies can exists

Yes, energies that are relative to some positive ground state energy, not negative in any particular sense. You're confused by the accounting rules, along with a shitload of bullshit artists and their gullible followers.

>it was 100% impossible you would think they wouldent waste their time

So now you're going to start arguing from authority? Way to demean yourself.

>>688213048
You cant use that to carry any information...

>>688215233
>We just have to wait.

You wait. I'll move on with my life and not concern myself with things that there's no evidence of, like CTC and God.

>>688215005
I know but Futuramas explination is acualy how the Alcubierre drive theoretical works.

>>688215283
>we do know negative energies exist.

You keep saying that. I don't think you know what those words mean.

>>688213778
They dont move faster than speed of light really, its just that space is being created between us and them that makes them seem like they are going that fast

>>688215283
Warm holes exist. Babies confirmed time-traveling billiard balls that knocked the previous sperm off course.

>>688215513
I was just following the thread, and I had high hopes until I read this.

Did you seriously just equate CTCs with the formal, conventional concept of a monotheistic deity?

>>688215408
Still, its something that is faster then light

>>688215513
i meant it as "wait and let the actual science-fags do their work"
also you are already concerned or you wouldn't be ITT :^)

>>688215576
>theoretical
Key word

>>688215721
>Did you seriously just equate CTCs with the formal, conventional concept of a monotheistic deity?

I think that people that believe in either are equally as fucked in their metaphysical beliefs. Believing in something that you have no evidence for, but only nice words of speculation, are just as much believers, with all the negative connotations you care to muster about the other team.

>>688215360
No but the loophole is this

You cannon accelerate matter faster than the speed of light, but you can manipulate the fabric of space time, by expanding space behind a ship and contracting it infront you can have matter pulled seemingly faster than light without haveing it technecly move at all.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive

A loophole in physics is finding a way around a problem without violating a physical law not finding a glitch in the matrix.

>>688215267
Warms my heart

>>688214920
>egball
ftfy

>>688213024
This is gold

>>688215364
Oh so you think the people who know more than you and have advanced degrees are wrong because you say so?

>NASA is working on something
>I know more than them and they are wrong

I see you are probably the kind of person who thinks peer review means takeing a vote and that science is a scam.

>>688215646
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_energy

>>688216137
I thought nothing was ever absoulutly still or absoulutly moving

>>688214928
They are not the same.
It means altering either one will alter the other

>>688216137
Question how does one expand and contract space without massive amount of energy or mass? Or how would you make that much energy or mass?

Pro tip: you need a black hole, good luck making one, then controlling it and move it through space

>>688216594
How can mirrors be real if our eyes arn't real?

>>688216607
Well.... so we agree?

>>688216780
Kek

>>688216094
You know that there is theoretical evidence that it could be done... the fact that we cant obtain the required stuff and that it is unobtainable at the moment is a problem that could be solved in the future... I dont think we will achieve this in the future, but it would be cool

>>688216581

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

>Carl Sagan wrote of arguments from authority:

>>"One of the great commandments of science is, 'Mistrust arguments from authority.'...Too many such arguments have proved too painfully wrong. Authorities must prove their contentions like everybody else."

>>688216094
CTCs have validity in physics, a lot of things in physics are predicted and found.

The Higgs boson was speculated 50 years ago dispite 0 physical evidence but it was known to probably exist due to the math.

Same thing with black holes, they where only mathematical concepts until one was first observed to exist.

Mathimatical evidence for something is different than beliving in something with no basis of reality.

>>688216607
Well, first we used to look at space and time as 2 forces that altered each other.... now the more popular view is that they are the same...

>>688211523
I think the key is understanding "the big bang" better
We know that for a brief period the laws of physics did not exist, and initially matter and energy accelerated out of the singularity faster than light
If we can learn how to create and manipulate conditions that allow us to move in and out of normal space we will be able to travel anywhere in the universe at any speed we want

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>>688216094
But... it's meta-physical...

Conventionally speaking, for something to be metaphysical, it must be an "abstract theory or talk with no basis in reality"...

>implying outer space exist

Buy your NASA mug and don't forget your t-shirt

>>688216581
Just because NASA is TRYING something doesnt mean its feasible...

>>688216726
Exotic matter which may or may not exist.

Alturitivly current reaserch is being done useing negative vaccume energy to try and warp space by a tiny amount.

Originaly the concept required the energy equivalent of Jupiter but recent reworking has brought the energy requirements down to the mass of Voyager 1.

>>688217443
I tried sucking my own dick once...

No-go.

>>688217064
>there is theoretical evidence

You've gone full retard now. There's no such thing as theoretic evidence. There's experimental evidence. A theory without experimental evidence is not evidence of anything.

Like when Brian Greene says that the "the math is telling us ..." whatever, he should really be saying that "the machine elves are telling us ..." because there's exactly the same reason to believe in the truth his statements these days as Terrence McKenna's.

>>688217134
So what you still think you are right and the people with advanced degrees are wrong?

Sure thing bud keep telling yourself that.

>>688215732
It is not, its instant and doesnt mean anything just like when you and me decide to clap at 4pm... its at the same time like the entangled particles but it doesnt really help you in any way to carry information

>>688217443
Just saying if it was 100% known to be impossible no one would try, we don't know if it's impossible or not yet.

>>688217588
Sounds like a bunch a theoretical crap and dreams to me. I won't believe it until the research showing it is published.

>>688217709
You have 0 understanding of theoretical physics and that makes me sad.

Again in physics the math predicts many things that turn out to be real.

Go get a PHD and you will have the credentials to talk shit about the topic, otherwise you are just sad.

>>688217138
>a lot of things in physics are predicted and found.

And by "a lot", I presume you mean, "very little". Almost all ideas in theoretical physics are dead ends. You don't hear of them outside the field, because they're not considered successes. Supersymmetry, axions, HALO, WIMP--the list goes on and on. The vast majority do not pan out.

> Mathimatical evidence

Ain't no such thing as "mathematical evidence". There's way more math than physics.

>>688218213
Ok

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect

>>688217709
Nowadays every practical evidence comes from something that proven first in theory... you cant test stuff that you cant first at least think about... are you trying to say that we should stop wondering "what if" ? cause thats science man... our math might be wrong but it could be also right or it could lead us to new theory

>>688218467
What degree do you have?

Non?

Shit guess your opinions are invalid.

>>688218031
Yeah exactly that was my point, we dont know until we prove it either way

>>688218537
Yeah I think he's saying "I don't know how science works so we should all stop useing it"

He's basicly creationist tier but without the magic sky god.

>>688218359
>Again in physics the math predicts many things that turn out to be real.

Math doesn't predict. Humans predict.

Most physics predictions turn out false. If you knew anything of the inside of the field that would be blindingly obvious.

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>>688218774
Tham what the fuck are we arguing about if we agree with eatchother?

The fuck is with this website that makes agreed upon ideas arguments!?

I need to lay off 4chan more often .

>>688211523

>>688218600
Thanks for helping me understand why so much of /b/ is voting for Trump--they don't want to think for themselves and they want an authority to tell them what's true and good and just.

>>688218874
Math and physics are tightly bound together. Math was often derived from physics and vice-versa. You want to appear smart or you are troll... either way you are wrong.

>>688218468
Kek, casimir effect is only seen at Extremely small distances. Are you going to bring a black hole within 10nm of anything with out destroying it?

>>688219018
The guy that was arguing with you was som dick... I only said "just because NASA is working on it doesnt mean it works" thats all

>>688219018
e-peen

>>688218874
>>688219585

dem logos

>>688219573
>thinks science is based on opinions and if anyone knows more than you they are automatically apart of a conspiracy

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>>688211523
Go at speed of light.
Turn flashlight on.
Flashlight light goes 2x speed of light.
It's just logic fam.

>>688219573
That argument was stupid but the guy before was even more retarded

>>688219727
Black holes have nothing to do with this as they don't offer the physical requirements needed to warp space in the correct geometry.

>>688220128
GG we are done here boiz, lets pack our shit

>>688219585
>Math and physics are tightly bound together.

Sure, but that doesn't mean that all the mathematics that folks dream up is physically relevant. That's like saying that the Kaluza-Klein theory is true in the actual world just because it's mathematically consistent. Experimental evidence distinguishes between mathematical concepts, some are physically true and some are physically false. Experiment, however, does not read on axiomatic truth at all. These two notions are truth just aren't the same.

>>688219827
wat

>>688220565
You're going to have to be more specific with that Watt, James. I have no Coulombs as to what you are referring to.

>>688220128

That's not how that works. If you run at 5m/s with a flashlight, the beam of light does not travel at c+5m/s

>>688220271
Ok then what do you need to warp spacetime?

Pro tip: Real life examples come from stars, galaxies and blackholes

>>688220531
i never said that it is possible to travel faster than light by any mean and in the foreseeable future.

>Math doesn't predict. Humans predict.

This is why I made the comment. The guy I replied to was simply wrong. Math does predict every experiment we do.

>>688220866
have you tested this theory?

>>688220974
More energy in one spot than we will ever be able to meaningfully produce.

If you can create an equal environment in two places you can go from one to the other without traveling. Any distance instantly.

But you can't travel faster than light.

>>688221375

This has been tested yes

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>>688221375
i have

>>688220974
You can use a singularity to warp space but it would only contract space around it, for a warp drive to work you need to contract space ahead and expand it behind. This is why current theories look into negative vaccume energy or hypothetical exotic matter.

You have to remember this is all speculation, but even within speculation Black holes can't accomplish what is needed for warp drives.

>>688213174
I see everything you know about physics you learned from Star Trek.

>>688213197
That's the basis of an alcubierre drive.

>>688213633
Sub space was made up for Star Trek

>>688221587
Exactly why it is impossible. You would need the amount of energy of a massive star, galaxy, blackhole or dark matter directly converted from its mass to energy. Good luck doing that

>>688221614
Yeah I can have two homes that look the same inside, and pretend im travelling between them... but when I go out, it might kinda seem like I only exit out of the one I entered the last...

>>688221957
>need singularity
>blackholes can't do it

Blackholes are examples of singularities fuck hole

>>688214144
Theoretical from Star Trek. No physicist believes in sub space

>>688222058
He said it was impossible

>>688222364

It's pathetic how close minded you are. Obviously nobody in this thread can prove any of this because we are at the THEORETICAL point of all this research. Go back in time 100 years and tell people that the knowledge of mankind will be available on an object smaller than a book accessible nearly anywhere in the world. Nobody would believe that either but look at how quickly our technology advances. It is only going to advance more rapid with the creation of AI coming in the future.

>>688214275
>accepting as universal truth some scrambled doodles out of the biggest and most famous autistic jew in history up your ass
This is why I hate brainwashed normies

>>688223002
No we are at hypothetical point. Theoretical point would be where we know way more than we do now. Right now this whole thing is hypothesis. I know this is knit picking but theory and hypothesy is vast difference in physics

>>688222585
Yes I know, read it again, I said you can use sigulerities to warp space but not in the way needed for a warp drive

>>688223191
>brainwashed normies
Lets face it. Nobody that uses phrases like this can actually know much about physics....

>>688212627
>the theory is there but to be sure we have to advance enough to test it, so imho we still don't know

>what are particle accelerators?

>>688223449
>let's face it
Nobody that uses phraseS like thESE is so smug

>>688211523
its fucking gay and for faggots

>>688223449
Indeed

And anyone who auto defaults to Jewish conspiracy because he dosnt understand calculus probably isn't worth responding too so I would just leave him be.

>>688223785
k had that coming

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>>688223002
It pathetic how dumb you are. I get with time technology progresses but we are talking about creating enough energy to simulate the mass (remember E=MC^2) as a massive star, Galaxy, dark matter or blackhole. The amount of energy is not would not be easy to make. As for the Casimir effect argument this is seen at the atomic level where quantum effects are at play. Nothing larger than a Bucky ball exhibits quantization it becomes continuous...aka is described by classical physics. Clearly you never took any coursework in cosmology or quantum mechanics

Also check out this sweet pic.

just imagine, taking a speed of light ride.
wow. the concept is really really really really really fun.

>>688223351
Ok then answer my question here then >>688220974

>>688211523
Sure, it doesn't exist yet. 'Theorizing' about it on a random image board isn't going to prove to anyone that you're not a faggot OP.

>>688224373
I do this with your son every night

>>688213216
I miss that game.

>Death march always came too soon.

>>688224406
I already did

Negative vaccum energy or hypothetical exotic matter.

>>688212850
The current theory on that also includes the fact that when the spacetime relaxes as you slow down it destroys everything in front of you

>>688224462
No

But it's fun to speculate about!

Also anyone else notice that faggot has been so overused here it's lost all power as an insult?

>>688213499
It isn't possible, but it is possible to slow down time to practically nothing in a small space (relative to that space) effectively allowing 'traveling' to the future. However, most things cannot survive such intense gravitational forces.

>>688224683
And?

If you are going to enter a new star system and introduce yourself to a new race it's best to do in a way that strikes fear into them.

If a ship showed up here and destroyed the moon simply by decelerating would you be scared?

>>688224612
So What is exotic matter and negative vacuum energy and how do they do this...in your own words because I don't think you know what you are talking about.

Pro tip: I have actually taken courses in quantum mechanics

>>688224825
>But it's fun to speculate about!

Theology is fun in exactly the same way for the god-addled.

>>688225096
It's also theoretically possible to create a closed time like curve and go back in time by creating a massive cylinder hundreds of km wide and thousands long abd spinning it up to close to the speed of light.

However you can only go back as far as when it was first spun up and no known material could survive those speeds in that large a scail so it's theoretical possible but in practice is unrealistic.

>>688213216
>Someone created a warp field around an electron and moved it faster than light.

No one has done that. There are attempts to do that, but not successes.

>>688225352
People comparing science debate to religion is next level cancer....

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>>688217971
>troglodyte doesnt know how to quantum matrix a discontinuity

>>688225238
Exotic matter is a hypothetical form of matter that has properties contrary to ordinary matter, including negative mass.

Negative vaccume energy is an apperent existence of energy that is found throughout space in the absence of matter that has a mesurable negative force, possibly caused by virtual particle formation or the effect of ordinary matter interacting stronger outside a region than inside as with the Casimir effect.

>>688225525
Ah, yes. I nearly forgot about that idea.

Didn't Dr. Ronald Mallet's project get shut down?

>>688220866
Pretty sure he was joking

>>688226092
I hope not

That nigga has fun ideas and us a nice guy.

>>688225832
>science debate

Sorry, I've not seen any of that ITT.

>>688226408
Yeah like most threads here it's all just been arguing and opinions.

>>688226070
>hypothetical
>apparent

Lots of hand wavy words here as my professor would say