>>688138157
vote trump

>>688138262
why?

>>688138157
Get healthcare you fucking diseased faggot. It can be anyone not just the act

>>688138157
If you live in a state that expanded Medicaid, you can sign up for that for free. If you live in a shit kicking hillbilly red state, you have to pay for it upfront, but should get a tax subsidy to pay for it on the back end.

The insurance via Obamacare is shit tier unless you want to pay huge premiums.

The base coverage is essentially catastrophic coverage with extremely high deductibles. You'll be glad you have something if you get in a bad accident.

>>688138448
>>688138359
>>688138448
is medicaid good? better than Obamacare? how do i even use it?

Yeah you qualify for the "essential plan" for 20 a month. It's 15 to see your doctor. 50ish to see a specialist.And only 75 for the emergency room. Covers prescriptions and such. Just go to your states website for health. Create an account online. Then put in the iinfo they ask for. Its pretty quick. And 20 a month is a lot cheaper than 400 or more next year.

Also vote trump

>>688138157
Get a better paying job that pays for a large chunk of your healthcare premiums, like most other Americans.

>>688138157
you're shit poor so it will be cheap. why not just do it faggot?

i'm a consultant and i make 10k a month, on average. that shit before obamacare used to cost me something like 3k a month for insurnance.

>>688138758
that requires an education.
i cannot afford that. i dont even have the option to attend right now.

>>688139090
what the hell is a consultant.

>>688139153
must be bait but i'll bite.

i'm not salaried. i own a small business and i get paid corp to corp. so i have to take care of all my own shit but there are many tax benefits to offset it.

Not trolling. Open your mind. I won't argue principles either on what I'm about to share. You either go with it or you don't. I took drugs from my doctor for 10 years and came off because i felt like shit all the time. Switched to this man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_NITewrAxM&t=1941s

>>688139282
>i get paid corp to corp
>tax benefits to offset it
no idea what you are saying.
what is your business?

>>688139421
don't take any drugs. simple.

>>688139103
I couldn't afford an education, but I still got one. Ended up with fuckton debt, but good paying jobs, worth it. Not too late 4 u!

>>688139153
They consult, faggot

>>688139468
i do technical strategy stuff for small companies.

>>688139492
>>688139492
my mom is shit with money and used my name on loans and shit so i cant get any more loans anwhere. ive tried. i need to pay out of pocket, im going to make payment arrangements with a community college this fall. i doubt ill afford it though.

>>688139744
>technical strategy stuff
stop trying to dumb it down and just walk me through a normal work day of yours

>>688138335
Repealing obamacare for starters. You force people to buy shit quality ins and it's expensive and just the fact that it's mandatory doubled the price of private ins. I'd rather suck it up and pay for private than buy into that bullshit plan. At least I know I'll get the care I need if I need it. The govt should never run something that can be privatized. Look at the VA, the DMV, the TSA, anything that they run at the public level is inefficient and nightmarish to deal with.

>>688139897
not a good enough reason to vote in that con artist fuck. no way.

>>688139897
healthcare shouldn't be privatized in the first place. why do people hate the idea of government run healthcare?

>>688139896
why should i bother?

>>688140033
I said "for starters". There's plenty of reasons other than that to "not vote for Hillary or Bernie"

>>688140091
because i am asking you as a favor?
please walk me through a day.
10k a month is very appealing and im wondering if consulting is something i can do.

>>688140216
nope, not good enuogh. i need an actual reason to vote for trump. no one has any.

>>688140227
it's mostly answering emails, sitting in meetings where we discuss projected features, technology necessary and release schedules, meeting with investors to answer technical questions and with project managers to clarify difficulty of features and timelines.

i charge minimum $100 an hour, often more than that.

Americans are fuckwits.

Look at all the countries with top tier universal health care.

>>688140047
We have some govt run healthcare already and it's shit. When it's privatized that encourages competition. It's why we currently haves some of the best doctors and hospitals in the world. It's why people come here from other countries to learn medicine in state of the art medical schools. Our doctors aren't salaried at the same pay as a garbage collector so they actually give a shit about doing their job and developing new life saving treatments.

>>688140455
what makes your business worth 100$ an hour if i may ask? you dont have to be specific or use anything identifiable.

>>688140480
My healthcare is amazing, best in the world really. What do i care if the poor useless people don't have as good quality as I do? Even so, they still get help even though they can't pay for it. In my mind, the system works.

It's our answer to the class system. There's no class in the US, there is only those who have a skill that is marketable and make money and those who do not. You can easily move from your parents who have nothing if you have a skill and drive to use it.

the system works.

>>688140640
i know my shit and many people don't. i have years of experience to draw on, which is well documented. i can communicate, i look pretty good when i get dressed up with my $1500 burberry suit. people seem to like me for some reason. i speak bluntly and am not scared by executives.

>>688140535
fair enough, what does trump have planned to replace obamacare?

>>688140480
>top tier
>universal healthcare

Pick one

>>688138157
Yeah

Move to a better country.

>>688138335
Because he wants to see the US get destroyed.

>>688140816
i dont we had a misunderstanding with my question "what makes your business worth 100$ an hour?"

what i want to know is what is your business. what do you sell, what do you make whats the service u offer?

>>688140830
I haven't read it in a while but the main thing is removing the mandate. Making it not required by law will ease the costs associated with providing insurance. And I hope(like I said. Haven't read it in a while) he's not gonna replace it with anything. It shouldn't be there to begin with and it hasn't helped anyone at all. The only good thing was making ins companies stop denying coverage based on pre-existing conditions. That actually helped people but that's about it

>>688141030
disregard the "i dont" in the first sentence

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>>688140847
stay ignorant

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>>688138634
>>688138262
confirmed mongers

>>688141030
i just fucking told you. what more do you want? i help small businesses set up their technical needs, articulate clearly what needs to be done, oversee them doing it and do quality assurance while it's getting done.

>>688141147
how is this shit computed exactly? how about a source for htis piece of shit graphic?

>>688141100
>mandate.
dont know what this is
>>688141100
so hes gonna force all private insurance companies to not discriminate people based on prior disabilities?

how likely is this to be enacted?

>>688138612
Obamacare is the law that was written to insure you, not the actual healthcare plan. You sign up for it, get a card in the mail, then use the card when you go to the doctor.

>>688141147
What exactly does Safe Care mean? This graphic is dumb.

>>688141235
do you do any advertising?

>>688141416
Mandate means you have to have it or face fines from the govt.

And no. It's already in place. That's an Obamacare thing. Private ins companies can(since Obamacare) no longer deny coverage based on pre-existing conditions.

>>688141532
no, it's mostly word of mouth and going to events and talking to people. i'm very choosy. i can tell in a half hour meeting whether i want to work with someone or not.

>>688139492
Yeah that never happened. Your use of the English language is laughable.

>>688141426
It's expensive tho

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>>688141392
Here ya go Jethro

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2014/06/16/u-s-healthcare-ranked-dead-last-compared-to-10-other-countries/#4873faef1b96

>>688141610
oh so you are saying that was the only good thing about obama care?

so his plan is to remove the tax / law, but leave the no priv insurance pre existing conditions thing? why would insurance companies agree to this?

>>688141147
Without context this is meanungless. Would like to know the source, because my country is listed.

>>688141871
see
>>688141675

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2014/06/16/u-s-healthcare-ranked-dead-last-compared-to-10-other-countries/#4873faef1b96

>>688141829
They don't get to argue about it. It's a govt mandate. They have to play ball or get govt style buttfucked for breaking the law. And then the govt made it essentially illegal to not be covered and ins companies doubled their rates. Since everyone HAS to be covered. Even tho they're not in some cases as it's cheaper to pay the fine out of your tax refund instead of providing ins

>>688141675
still doens't explain how they got the numbers but most of it is meaningless. the shitty poor areas drag down the amazing hospitals and doctors in, for example, New York City.

I don't care if the poor have shitty health care. I have some great access. This will only get worse if everyone has access to it.

The system works fine right now.

>>688141675
>top 10 education systems
>south korea
>japan
They obviously measure the absolute outcome, ignoring that it severely destroys the children and the whole mentality is work work work work work and nothing else.

>healthcare access
US just marginally behind the UK

>quality of life index
Differences could literally be non-existent or marginal with the info given in the graphic

Weak arguments, friend, and that comes from a German social democrat.

>>688141675
the only thing i agree with bernie on is increasing the estate tax. that shit should be like 80% for anything above a couple million.

>>688142008
The graphic says nothing, the second graphic, too. The link is just assertions and no numbers, none that could in any way be validated anyways. Horrible source.

>>688142084
yes but insurance companies will likely pay off politicians to oppose trump to avoid "playing ball."

isnt that how the gov works?

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>>688142124
you are either an ignorant retard or a troll.

The Forbes article totally explains how they ranked them. If you think the system works fine now you are obviously still on mommy and daddy's insurance and have never been really sick or suffered a serious injury.

>>688142189
>whole mentality is work work work work work and nothing else.
maybe thats a good thing.

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>>688142387
>blah blah blah
sure kid

>>688142435
http://www.snopes.com/643000-bankruptcies-in-the-u-s-every-year-due-to-medical-bills/

>>688142435
nope i have a marketable skill and a good fucking job and i live in the best city in the world, that's why i think it works. it does. i don't give a fuck about the poor useless people. going bankrupt? you sound dumb. poor people don't have much shit to lose, dummy. they're out a few thousand dollars and that's considered bankrupt.

>>688142544
cant you just order from over seas retailers and have them ship it?

>>688142435
it's a huge fucking country you faggot.

>>688141651
Only if you make enough not to get the subsidies you dumb dumb

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>>688142599
>http://www.snopes.com/643000-bankruptcies-in-the-u-s-every-year-due-to-medical-bills/

>MIXTURE

>“In 2013 over 20% of American adults are struggling to pay their medical bills, and three in five bankruptcies will be due to medical bills. While we are quick to blame debt on poor savings and bad spending habits, our study emphasizes the burden of health costs causing widespread indebtedness. Medical bills can completely overwhelm a family when illness strikes,” says Christina LaMontagne, VP of Health at NerdWallet. “Furthermore, 25 million people hesitate to take their medications in order to control their medical costs. Unfortunately this can lead to even worse financial outcomes as preventative treatments are not rendered and patients end up using expensive ambulance and ER care as their health worsens.”

>>688142544
why don't you educate yuorself you dumb fuck?

http://www.snopes.com/hepatitis-c-drug-prices/

the low prices in india is why it's so expensive in america. fuck you indians.

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>>688142625

gay prostitute is only marketable while you're young. What will you do when older?

>>688143053
the old, the poor and the autistic like you are well cared for in the US.

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>>688142995
and with universal healthcare it would be low in the united states too

dumb fuck

>>688140535
healthcare is also absurdly unaffordable. its funny that you mention marketplace competition cause US healthcare prices are the exact opposite of competitively priced. doesnt seem like shitty private heathcare is working, it just fucks over poor people.

>>688142544
Dude, the point is, what is presented there transports NO information at all, because the underlying numbers and methods are missing. It's meaningless as it's presented there and you should really look out for better sources to educate yourself, especially if you're going out and try to educate others as well. I'm on your side, I just point out that you're right for the wrong reasons.

>>688143137
no the price would just be shifted to someone/somewhere else. dumb fucks like you have no idea how economics works. your outrageous taxes is what makes this "cheap" for you and you don't even realize it.

>>688143256
>>688142544
yeah for example indians make abuot $295 a month.

>>688138157
Good luck. If you can't get Medicaid or Medicare, or you don't qualify for subsidized health insurance, you're fucked. The last time I looked at the exchange to price insurance it was over $700 a month for the shittiest plan they offered. That's more than my rent. I can't afford that. Thanks Obama!

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>>688138157
How the fuck do you make less than 15k a year? Licking the sidewalk is qualification enough to make 15k a year.

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>>688143270
unless you are one of these guys >>688142890
ie: a ceo of a major health insurance corp, you are an idiot. Good day to you sir. May you soon get ass cancer and find out just how little your "top notch" insurance is worth.

>>688143447
Probably part time burger flipper at Micky D's

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>>688141675
Comparing one country to the best ones in three different disciplines isn't really saying anything.

>South Korea is number one, we should be like them.
Not even in the list on the quality of life index because it's so shit there. Also not on the list for healthcare, because, again, it's shit anywhere else except education. Same for almost every other country on that list. If you evaluated ALL variables at ONCE, the US would kick almost everyone else's ass. Judging all those other countries by their only good quality, while judging the USA on all qualities, good or bad, doesn't work you fucknut.

>>688141675
The education thing always gets me when libs say Americans are dumb if you remove the nigs we get tied for 3rd in the world with japan and keep our childrens sanity and childhood while doing it (for the most part)

>>688143409
Don't know what state you're in but in Virginia (a shitty red state) It is FAR lower. I pay $80 a month and I smoke (they charge smokers more)

>>688143530
CEOs make too much money you say? either that or the corporations just keep it. which would yuo rather? you think the price is set because they have to pay ceo's so much money? you're just dumb. you have no clue how economics works.

>>688143656
Remove kebab from my country and it's the same.

>>688143530
>CEO's getting all the money
Jesus, no. Investments and expansion (and with that largely tax evasion) is where the VAST majority of money goes.

>>688143447
i actually make 10k a year, my mom 5k.
its called minimum wage. i work 32 hours a week, my mother 16 hours a week

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>>688143734
>either that or the corporations just keep it
or they lower rates

>>688143775
I like u

>>688143659
Pennsylvania. It's a bleeding-heart, squishy liberal state. Hell, our fucking governor pretends to be Obama Jr.

>>688143995
>32hrs a week
I hope you're getting an education among that.

>>688144009
that's not how it works dummy. the ceo's get paid because the company is making so much money, not the other way around. jesus you really are stupid

>>688144055
trying but hard.
on track to be starting for the third time this coming fall. third times the charm right?

>>688143656
liberals don't say that about america. they say that about the south. remove the inbred southern hicks like you and this country sky rockets to the top so far above any other country it ins't even funny.

and take the blacks with you again too of course.

>>688138157
at 15k a year you will basically be paying 10 dollars (if that) a month for healthcare. How fucking stupid can you American's be? This is why when given the chance, I left the country. You people are word of mouth equals truth, never do any research, conservative, fucking bible thumping, religious state, retards.

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>>688143656
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E48QqcTOXeY

>>688143656
It's the same with all bad figures. Take out the outliers like Detroit and Baltimore and all the bad numbers look a lot better.

>>688144491
fucking painful. i wish the government would 'mistakenly' gas towns like this.

>>688144609
>i wish the government would 'mistakenly' gas STATES like this.
fixed

>>688138157
umm... 15k a year, you are not even in the bottom tier of taxes.
How about you learn to file saying that you cannot afford it so that this shit doesn't happen?

>>688141100
Admitting misinformation. If you dont know the details stop spreading your garbage opinions

Yeah just like a couple of liberal cuckmongrils to want to just kill anyone that disagrees with them.
Education, something people like these Mississippians need just as much as you. If you pull your heads out of eachother dick holes far enough to see the hypocrisy of your ways, maybe! Just maybe you're calls will lower enough for you to man up and see the truth.

>>688144189
Why are you living with mom if shes only working 2 days a week? Is she disabled?

>>688145657
>Is she disabled?
i dont know, need insurance to find out.

>>688145874
Tell that ungrateful bitch she has to work 40 hr/wk like everybody else. Or enjoy even more of a disadvantage paying for her lazy ass

>>688138157
if you made less than 15k, you didn't pay 400 dollars, stop making up shit obama did, he's shady enough already, why don't you bitch about things that are actually going on, you fuckin mug

>>688146207
i dont remember how much it was. i used a random number i think people might think is low.

>>688146774
you used a bunch of random numbers because this thread is goofy as fuck,

>"should i get obamacare?"

>goes to obamacare store
>buys premium, unpasteurized, obamacare
>none if that gmo nonsense

>>688138157
Bro you qualify for pretty much free healthcare.

Also, instead of paying the penalty for not having it claim in your taxes it was to expensive in your area or would of been 10% of your monthly income.

>>688146914
guess i'm the dumbass tho, since i'm taking this ridiculous bait this hard, FUUUUCK

>>688145413
I wasn't speaking to the merit of trumps plan. How bout you go fuck yourself

>>688138335
You won't lose anything in taxes.

Look at his tax plan. It's online. No taxes for less than $35,000 a year. More id head of household.

Medical! Free healthcare as long as your income hovers in the same realm. You'll have more options when your earnings increase.

>>688147326
>More id head of household.
what does this mean

>>688147326
neither will any of the others tax plans. still not a good enough reason to vote trump

plus anyone who is in favor of repealing the estate tax is a fucking moron.